IGF Mandate Renewl

[Steve Mikulasik]

The UN's Internet Governance Forum is up for renewal at the end of 2015, 
without UN approval they will be shutdown. I am relatively new here and haven't 
seen much discussion about IGF and UN (attempted) involvement in the internet. 
How do people feel about the IGF and should it be renewed by the UN? I can't 
really figure out what gap they fill other than being big conference.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Governance_Forum#2015_mandate_renewal

Re: Mozilla Cert expired today :P

[Ishmael Rufus]

Hit Ctrl+F5

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Alexander Maassen 
wrote:

> Kinda funny and perhaps offtopic, but I noticed the cert for mozilla.org
> expired right before my eyes when checking my plugins.
>
>

Re: Questions regarding equipment for a large LAN event

[Bacon Zombie]

Have a look at what they did for QuakeCon.

What Powers Quakecon | Network Operations Center Tour https
://
www.youtube.com
/watch?v=
mOv62lBdlXU


https://mobile.twitter.com/quakeconnetwork
On Dec 7, 2015 1:15 PM,  wrote:

> hi
>
>
> okay...so lots of gig connections with 10g interconnects etc - have you
> actually done network
> analysis/flows of the events in the past to see what you actually require
> to run the event?
> what sort of stuff are they doing - multiplayer PvP stuff or are they
> shipping
> images/ISOs across to each other?   as well as the data requirements what
> sort of protection
> do you put into place (that would affect choice of edge switch).   as
> others will probably
> say, this is really more suited to eg c-nsp
>
>
> alan
>

Mozilla Cert expired today :P

[Alexander Maassen]

Kinda funny and perhaps offtopic, but I noticed the cert for mozilla.org
expired right before my eyes when checking my plugins.

Re: Mozilla Cert expired today :P

[Scott Fisher]

Looks fine to me.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Alexander Maassen  wrote:
> Kinda funny and perhaps offtopic, but I noticed the cert for mozilla.org
> expired right before my eyes when checking my plugins.
>



-- 
Scott

Re: Questions regarding equipment for a large LAN event

[Alejandro Acosta]

You have not IPv6 at all?.., this is a good starting point

El 12/7/2015 a las 2:11 AM, Laurent Dumont escribió:
> Hi Nanog,
>
> This email might seem a bit strange but bear with me. I am a member of
> a student club in Montreal named "Lan ETS". Every year, we organize on
> the biggest LAN event in North-America. We have an amazing partnership
> with Cisco where they allow us to request a fair amount of equipment
> so that we can create the best experience for our players.
>
> This year, we are looking into some equipment that slightly out of our
> usual expertise. Usually, we target high-density stackable switches
> like a 3650/3750/3850 with 48 GigE and 4 SFP for our 10G core. We
> design our network around small "islands" of players all linked with
> each other through a 2x10G fiber network. Everyone is assigned a
> public address and we route everyone out through our core switch.
>
> We were looking at either the Nexus 7004 chassis or the ASR 9004/9006
> chassis for this year event. We would then use 48xGigE and 1x24 SFP+
> line cards. Our actual port requirements and somewhat flexible but we
> do need at least 4x10G Fiber ports. And at least 48 GigE ports for
> players or access switches.
>
> I'm also open to any suggestion within Cisco portfolio. Our needs are
> pretty standard and nothing extraordinary but we would like to use
> this opportunity in order to try new equipment and technologies that
> are usually only seem within ISP and large networks.
>
> I appreciate any input on the matter!
>
> Thank you
>

Re: Questions regarding equipment for a large LAN event

[A . L . M . Buxey]

hi


okay...so lots of gig connections with 10g interconnects etc - have you 
actually done network
analysis/flows of the events in the past to see what you actually require to 
run the event? 
what sort of stuff are they doing - multiplayer PvP stuff or are they shipping 
images/ISOs across to each other?   as well as the data requirements what sort 
of protection
do you put into place (that would affect choice of edge switch).   as others 
will probably
say, this is really more suited to eg c-nsp 


alan

Re: IGF Mandate Renewl

[Randy Bush]

> but the ITU is a larger conference over more time, so that's a plus,
> right?  also, it's international, and telephone, so really .. .they
> are super qualified to talk about internet governance stuff.

they eat better food than we do

though i may endure san dogville for the sake of roberto's carne asada
burritos

Re: IGF Mandate Renewl

[Owen DeLong]

> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:08 , Christopher Morrow  wrote:
> 
> but the ITU is a larger conference over more time, so that's a plus, right?

Not necessarily.

The ITU is much less democratic and fails to incorporate a wide variety of 
stakeholders.

The IGF isn’t a whole lot better in this regard, but the IGF has the advantage 
of being a non-binding cooperative process
where the ITU can fall back on certain treaty obligations to inflict its will.


> also, it's international, and telephone, so really .. .they are super
> qualified to talk about internet governance stuff.

Sarcasm, right?

Owen


> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Owen DeLong  wrote:
>> The IGF is certainly preferable to moving this role into the ITU.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:37 , Steve Mikulasik  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The UN's Internet Governance Forum is up for renewal at the end of 2015, 
>>> without UN approval they will be shutdown. I am relatively new here and 
>>> haven't seen much discussion about IGF and UN (attempted) involvement in 
>>> the internet. How do people feel about the IGF and should it be renewed by 
>>> the UN? I can't really figure out what gap they fill other than being big 
>>> conference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Governance_Forum#2015_mandate_renewal
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: IGF Mandate Renewl

[Joly MacFie]

The Internet Society has been very involved in this. Latest report is here:
https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/public-policy/2015/12/where-wsis-heading-post-2015





On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Steve Mikulasik 
wrote:

> The UN's Internet Governance Forum is up for renewal at the end of 2015,
> without UN approval they will be shutdown. I am relatively new here and
> haven't seen much discussion about IGF and UN (attempted) involvement in
> the internet. How do people feel about the IGF and should it be renewed by
> the UN? I can't really figure out what gap they fill other than being big
> conference.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Governance_Forum#2015_mandate_renewal
>
>
>


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Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[Erik Sundberg]

We have one of these nice new and fancy Cisco ASR920-24SZ, just realized it 
doesn't have an RJ45 Console port only USB. When we deploy devices at our pop 
we wire the console port to a terminal\console server, well that doesn't work 
for a usb console device.

So what is everyone doing for out of band management via the console when it's 
a usb only device?
Is there something I am missing?
Is there a console server for USB?
Does cisco make an USB to RJ45 Jack adapter?



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Re: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[alvin nanog]

hi erik

On 12/07/15 at 10:15pm, Erik Sundberg wrote:
> We have one of these nice new and fancy Cisco ASR920-24SZ, just realized it 
> doesn't have an RJ45 Console port only USB. When we deploy devices at our pop 
> we wire the console port to a terminal\console server, well that doesn't work 
> for a usb console device.
..
> Does cisco make an USB to RJ45 Jack adapter?

cisco bought linksys long long ago whom, along with dozens of others, make 
USB-ethernet gigE dongle

magic pixie dust
alvin
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Re: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[Jeremy Bresley]

Looks like what you want is the A920-CONS-KIT-S part.  Description on it 
is "ASR 920 Serial Console Cabling Kit"  This is a $0 item when ordered 
with the ASR920s.  The other option is the A900-CONS-KIT-U which is the 
USB-USB console kit.


http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/asr920/hardware/installation/guide/ASR920_HIG/hw_installation.html#pgfId-114

Shows the adapter which I'm assuming is what's included in the kit, they 
mention needing the RJ-45 to DB9 cable (normal Cisco console cable) in 
addition to this ASR9XX specific adapter.  Should be able to plug your 
normal terminal server cables into the adapter cable listed above.


Hope this is helpful.

Jeremy "TheBrez" Bresley
b...@brezworks.com

On 12/7/2015 4:15 PM, Erik Sundberg wrote:

We have one of these nice new and fancy Cisco ASR920-24SZ, just realized it 
doesn't have an RJ45 Console port only USB. When we deploy devices at our pop 
we wire the console port to a terminal\console server, well that doesn't work 
for a usb console device.

So what is everyone doing for out of band management via the console when it's 
a usb only device?
Is there something I am missing?
Is there a console server for USB?
Does cisco make an USB to RJ45 Jack adapter?



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Re: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[Karl Auer]

On Mon, 2015-12-07 at 22:15 +, Erik Sundberg wrote:
> We have one of these nice new and fancy Cisco ASR920-24SZ, just
> realized it doesn't have an RJ45 Console port only USB. When we deploy
> devices at our pop we wire the console port to a terminal\console
> server, well that doesn't work for a usb console device.
> 
> So what is everyone doing for out of band management via the console
> when it's a usb only device?
> Is there something I am missing?
> Is there a console server for USB?
> Does cisco make an USB to RJ45 Jack adapter?

This seems to have the info you need. Looks like that's a USB serial
port, so when you plug into it, your laptop grows a new serial port that
can be used to communicate with the device:

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/asr920/hardware/installation/guide/ASR920_HIG/hw_installation.html

According to that there is a USB-to-RJ45 adapter available, but not
supplied with the device.

Regards, K.

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RE: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[Erik Sundberg]

USB-to-RJ45 adapter available --- Does anyone have the part number? is it 
A920-CONS-KIT-S - Serial Console Kit, USB-to-RJ45 cable

Can anyone confirm this is the right part number

Thanks Everyone



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Subject: Re: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

On Mon, 2015-12-07 at 22:15 +, Erik Sundberg wrote:
> We have one of these nice new and fancy Cisco ASR920-24SZ, just
> realized it doesn't have an RJ45 Console port only USB. When we deploy
> devices at our pop we wire the console port to a terminal\console
> server, well that doesn't work for a usb console device.
>
> So what is everyone doing for out of band management via the console
> when it's a usb only device?
> Is there something I am missing?
> Is there a console server for USB?
> Does cisco make an USB to RJ45 Jack adapter?

This seems to have the info you need. Looks like that's a USB serial port, so 
when you plug into it, your laptop grows a new serial port that can be used to 
communicate with the device:

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/routers/asr920/hardware/installation/guide/ASR920_HIG/hw_installation.html

According to that there is a USB-to-RJ45 adapter available, but not supplied 
with the device.

Regards, K.

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Re: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[Dylan Ambauen]

Ftdi USB to Serial / Rs232 Console Rollover Cable for Cisco Routers - Rj45
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00M2SAKMG/ref=cm_sw_r_em_awd_HnHzwb7XCEQAV

This is an active cable. Not passive.

Any USB to serial converter will probably do it.

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On Dec 7, 2015 2:16 PM, "Erik Sundberg"  wrote:

> We have one of these nice new and fancy Cisco ASR920-24SZ, just realized
> it doesn't have an RJ45 Console port only USB. When we deploy devices at
> our pop we wire the console port to a terminal\console server, well that
> doesn't work for a usb console device.
>
> So what is everyone doing for out of band management via the console when
> it's a usb only device?
> Is there something I am missing?
> Is there a console server for USB?
> Does cisco make an USB to RJ45 Jack adapter?
>
> 
>
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Re: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[Larry Sheldon]

On 12/7/2015 16:15, Erik Sundberg wrote:

We have one of these nice new and fancy Cisco ASR920-24SZ, just
realized it doesn't have an RJ45 Console port only USB.


I am always surprised at people who unpack new toys that somebody paid a 
lot of money for only to find at that late date that the new toy does 
not fit into their defined (for some shaky value of "defined") structure.




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Re: Modem as a service?

[Jon Lewis]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Larry Sheldon wrote:

I'll join the confusion--I thought the OP wanted to test for power 
availability at the distant site by seeing if a modem there would answer the 
phone there.  That it HAD to be a modem in that case makes no sense to me.


Presumably, the modems are already there (setup to answer) as a means to 
access the OOB console servers in the case of a network outage.  "Does it 
answer" is just a simple way to tell "is the power out, and everything's 
dead, or is there a network problem that's caused us to lose visibility?"



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Re: Devices with only USB console port - Need a Console Server Solution

[Karl Auer]

On Mon, 2015-12-07 at 15:23 -0800, Dylan Ambauen wrote:
> Any USB to serial converter will probably do it.

The OP is looking to integrate a device with a console server. "Any
converter" would be a mistake. You can get these things for two dollars,
but you get what you pay for.

Maybe seek suggestions here as to converters others have used with
success, the main criteria for success being robustness, reliability and
build quality.

Personally in this situation I would get the approved, vendor supplied,
genuine part.

Regards, K.

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Looking for VPS providers with BGP session

[Philippe Bonvin via NANOG]

Hello,


I'm looking for providers around the world who are able to provide VPS with a 
BGP session but it seems to be rather difficult to find. I have already found a 
few with WHT/bgp.he.net/google but a little help would be appreciated.


Does anyone have contact or know people who can offer such services ?

If yes, please contact me off list.


Our budget is quite low: around 50$/month/node +/- 50$ depending the transit 
providers for a server with 1-2 CPU cores, 20 Go SSD or SAS and 1-2 Go RAM.


I'll be happy to share my provider list we use with anyone who needs it.


Thanks for your help,

Philippe

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T?l?phone: +33 (0)4 86 15 44 78

Amazon - Wrong website location

[John Cenile]

Hello,

Amazon's website is currently suggesting Amazon India, rather than Amazon
USA. So I'm guessing whatever GeoIP database they're using is out of date,
but I have updated as many public GeoIP databases I could find.

I have emailed their noc@ email address multiple times, but have not heard
back from them.

Does anyone know where I can fix this up, or who I can contact to resolve
this?

Survey on Middlebox modeling and troubleshooting

[Zhang, Ying]

Dear All,

We are researchers in HP Labs and Duke university. We are currently working on 
a project related to Middlebox modeling and troubleshooting.
We are currently conducting a survey and gathering feedback from operators.
Can you help us by providing some answers? Please feel free to email us if you 
have any additional suggestions.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5SFP6G8

Thanks!
-Ying

Survey on IPv4 Scarcity, IPv6 Adoption, Carrier-Grade NAT Deployment

[Philipp Richter]

Dear NANOG readers,

we are a team of researchers from ICSI Berkeley, TU Berlin, TU Munich,
Internet Initiative Japan and UC Berkeley jointly working on a project
to assess the effects of IPv4 address exhaustion.

As part of our research, we conduct a survey among network operators.
The goal of this survey is to better understand the degree of IPv4
scarcity that ISPs face and which measures are taken to combat it (IPv4
Carrier-Grade NAT deployment, IPv4 address markets, and IPv6 transition
mechanisms).

If you work for an ISP that connects end-users to the Internet, we would
greatly appreciate your response.

To participate, please visit http://natsurvey.icsi.berkeley.edu/

(answering should take about 5 minutes, all questions are explicitly
optional).

We will make anonymized results of this survey available to the public
in early 2016.

Thank you very much for your support!


If you have questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me
directly at prichter AT icsi DOT berkeley DOT edu.

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Re: IGF Mandate Renewl

[Christopher Morrow]

but the ITU is a larger conference over more time, so that's a plus, right?
also, it's international, and telephone, so really .. .they are super
qualified to talk about internet governance stuff.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Owen DeLong  wrote:
> The IGF is certainly preferable to moving this role into the ITU.
>
> Owen
>
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:37 , Steve Mikulasik  wrote:
>>
>> The UN's Internet Governance Forum is up for renewal at the end of 2015, 
>> without UN approval they will be shutdown. I am relatively new here and 
>> haven't seen much discussion about IGF and UN (attempted) involvement in the 
>> internet. How do people feel about the IGF and should it be renewed by the 
>> UN? I can't really figure out what gap they fill other than being big 
>> conference.
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Governance_Forum#2015_mandate_renewal
>>
>>
>

Re: Modem as a service?

[Larry Sheldon]

On 12/6/2015 16:17, Karl Auer wrote:

On Sun, 2015-12-06 at 16:36 -0500, James R Cutler wrote:

On Dec 6, 2015, at 2:19 PM, James Laszko  wrote:

... we don’t need to actually connect to the OOB modem on the other side, we 
just need a NO ANSWER/ANSWER kind of response. …


Forget modems - to probe via some kind of analog connection, just get
a single instrument wireless telephone with answering capability.  For
a bonus, put some kind of identifier in the answering message:  No
power > no answer; power > answer.


I must be thick - how does that solve the problem? The OP wants to know
if a modem at a remote site will answer the phone. Maybe I misunderstood
the problem.


I'll join the confusion--I thought the OP wanted to test for power 
availability at the distant site by seeing if a modem there would answer 
the phone there.  That it HAD to be a modem in that case makes no sense 
to me.


I'm of the line now and have been for a while and maybe y'all don't do 
things the way we did--we always had an answering machine (two or three 
in some places*) that always answered on the first ring and gave some 
kind of status report that was updated hourly on on event).  If it did 
not answer, the power was out.


*at one site we had one that gave general status--what's up, what's 
down, what's generally interesting (outages scheduled soon, where we are 
in the daily batch cycle).  We had another listing southern region 
outputs ready for pick-up and one listing northern region stuff.



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Re: Modem as a service?

[Jamie Gwatkin]

You could easily do this using Twillio. We've done the same thing to test
if a PBX is up.


On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Jon Lewis  wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>
> I'll join the confusion--I thought the OP wanted to test for power
>> availability at the distant site by seeing if a modem there would answer
>> the phone there.  That it HAD to be a modem in that case makes no sense to
>> me.
>>
>
> Presumably, the modems are already there (setup to answer) as a means to
> access the OOB console servers in the case of a network outage.  "Does it
> answer" is just a simple way to tell "is the power out, and everything's
> dead, or is there a network problem that's caused us to lose visibility?"
>
>
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Re: IGF Mandate Renewl

[Owen DeLong]

The IGF is certainly preferable to moving this role into the ITU.

Owen

> On Dec 7, 2015, at 07:37 , Steve Mikulasik  wrote:
> 
> The UN's Internet Governance Forum is up for renewal at the end of 2015, 
> without UN approval they will be shutdown. I am relatively new here and 
> haven't seen much discussion about IGF and UN (attempted) involvement in the 
> internet. How do people feel about the IGF and should it be renewed by the 
> UN? I can't really figure out what gap they fill other than being big 
> conference.
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Governance_Forum#2015_mandate_renewal
> 
> 

Re: IGF Mandate Renewl

[Christopher Morrow]

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Owen DeLong  wrote:
>
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:08 , Christopher Morrow  
>> wrote:
>> also, it's international, and telephone, so really .. .they are super
>> qualified to talk about internet governance stuff.
>
> Sarcasm, right?

always with respect to the ITU, always.

(I dont' disagree with your position on this matter, at all)

Re: IPv6 Cogent vs Hurricane Electric

[Constantine A. Murenin]

On 6 December 2015 at 18:24, Max Tulyev  wrote:
> On 04.12.15 01:19, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
>> On 1 December 2015 at 20:23, Max Tulyev  wrote:
>>> I have to change at least one of my uplinks because of it, which one is
>>> better to drop, HE or Cogent?
>>>
>>
>> Question: Why would you have to drop one of them? You have no problem if
>> you have both.
>
> Because of money, isn't it? I don't want to pay twice!
>
>> Even in the case of a link failure to one of them, you will likely not see
>> a big impact since everyone else also keeps multiple transits. You will
>> only have trouble with people that are single homed Cogent or HE, in which
>> case it is more them having a problem than you.
>
> As I fully implement IPv6 on my net, I got a HUGE impact already. That's
> the problem.
>
> So as this is not a bug, but a long time story - I relized for me as a
> cutomer connectivity from both Hurricane Electric and Cogent is a crap.
> So people should avoid both, and buy for example from Level3 and NTT,
> which do not have such problem and do not sell me partial connectivity
> without any warning before signing the contract.


I agree with your conclusion, however, your premise is not correct —
technically, HE is /not/ requiring you to purchase IPv6 from them; in
fact, they're rather openly giving away IPv6, including IPv6 transit,
away for free.

My understanding is that this includes both the tunnels (including
BGP) and the on-premise connectivity options.

So, feel free to ask for your money back from HE, and try that with Cogent, too!

C.


>
> I'm just a IP transit customer, and I don't give a something for that
> wars who is the real Tier1. I just want a working service for my money
> instead of answering a hundreds calls from my subscribers!