The driving distance is 4 miles, we are leasing it from CenturyLink whose
headend maybe adds a mile or less, it's on the route and about half way
through. I made it 6 miles to be safe. We currently can pull a full 1.5Mbps
off of that T1 we run there so perhaps CenturyLink is repeating at their CO
It really does seem like repeaters are a necessity. If he can put power
down the wires, and get to them to install repeaters, that would seem
the obvious way to go.
Miles
On 12/12/18 9:32 PM, Dan Hollis wrote:
I doubt he will get >1.5mbps with those over a 6 mile long connection.
I did a
I doubt he will get >1.5mbps with those over a 6 mile long connection.
I did a quick check and flowpoint 2200s seem to max out at 192kbps at 3
miles.
-Dan
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Tim Pozar wrote:
For dry pairs, I have used Flowpoint SDSL modems (see attached). I
picked these up for a
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018, Nick Bogle wrote:
A quick question for you guys;
If you had a single dry pair (pair of copper wires originally for phones)
to a remote site that was around 6 miles away, what would you use? We
currently are just extending a T1 line to this site, but 1.5Mbps isn't
cutting it
I used to take “dry pairs” or “alarm circuits” and take SDSL modems to create
high bandwidth ( up to 10Mbps, relative to the time) circuits. They were very
reliable and incredibly cheap (@$22-88/mo). Regional bell at the time (or at
least in my area) would make it difficult to order. Had to
Look at a Hatteras hn400 and lpu You can get about 5mbs/pair using g.shdsl.
pairs can be bonded to add capacity (assuming at least 2 pair for t-1). The
repeaters fit in a standard 248 closure.
From: NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl
Sent: Wednesday,
Rent a cable plow and make a quick run of fiber during the night. Nobody
will notice.
:-)
6 miles is too far to get any speed on a phone line.
I’ve used the Patton copper link devices such as the one you mentioned Nick,
and they work very well within the parameters they cover. Their tech-support is
excellent also.
-mel beckman
On Dec 12, 2018, at 1:44 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Something LRE
Actellis also makes some ethernet over dry pair gear. The only issue is that
they require repeaters like a T1 (different spacing though). I'm guessing if
you're doing T1 at that distance you already have repeater housings in the
field at least.
-Original Message-
From: "Alfie
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:25 PM Nick Bogle wrote:
> If you had a single dry pair (pair of copper wires originally for phones)
> to a remote site that was around 6 miles away, what would you use?
> We currently are just extending a T1 line to this site, but 1.5Mbps
> isn't cutting it anymore.
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:52 PM William Herrin wrote:
> YOUR use of PON makes reasonably good sense.
>
>
Features such as battery backup and ISDN is made for the explicit purpose
of office buildings, not residential use. The flexibility that we enjoy
will also work for office buildings. I do
HA! But the question is; does it pass?
^^^ and that was my official 'first post' beware my linked in requests now
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Phillip Carroll
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 4:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Extending network over a dry pair
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:25 PM Nick Bogle wrote:
> If you had a single dry pair (pair of copper wires originally for phones)
> to a remote site that was around 6 miles away, what would you use?
> We currently are just extending a T1 line to this site, but 1.5Mbps
> isn't cutting it anymore.
Hi
I'd say that any carrier grade GPON gear is way overkill for a LAN and
you're going to have to run single mode fiber to use the consumer grade
ONTs which is a big extra expense as few structured wiring companies do
single mode. Second, Dasan Zhone is one of the vendors I'd absolutely
avoid and
Many 1U GPON OLT switches have 16 OLT ports and each port can have up to
128 ONT. This gives you 2048 ONT in one unit for the OLT. Typical power is
less than 200 watt.
Each ONT has 4 or more ethernet ports. So multiply with that. You could
have a small campus on just one unit of OLT. On the other
On 12/12/2018 02:40 PM, Blake Hudson wrote:
As others have said, 6 miles might limit your bandwidth capacity.
Are there other places along the path that you could split break the 6
miles into multiple shorter links and regenerate the signal?
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
smime.p7s
Whenever I have a dry pair I use fluke lube.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Blake Hudson
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:40 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Extending network over a dry pair
Nick Bogle wrote on 12/12/2018 3:25 PM:
> A quick question for you guys;
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM Baldur Norddahl
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:51 PM William Herrin wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:47 PM Baldur Norddahl
>> wrote:
>> > Compared to the traditional approach, you will only have one centralized
>> > GPON switch to manage. All the small
Lower power consumption of electronics and the fact that most (not all)
deployments don't need more than 10 megs committed to them, so share a big pipe
and burst away. 1U can have 256 endpoints easily and consume less power than a
regular switch.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
Six miles is probably pushing it, but Proscend make some interesting Long-
Range Ethernet SFP transciever which are VDSL based. They're
horrendously documented and they draw *way* more power than the SFP
specification allows.
They also make a version which is design to terminate VDSL broadband
Nick Bogle wrote on 12/12/2018 3:25 PM:
A quick question for you guys;
If you had a single dry pair (pair of copper wires originally for
phones) to a remote site that was around 6 miles away, what would you
use? We currently are just extending a T1 line to this site, but
1.5Mbps isn't
Something LRE possibly. Could just do VDSL.
Are you just looking at more than 1544 kbps or is there a particular
threshold you need to meet (to support a camera, etc)?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 4:26
For a comparison of distance to capacity on copper, see
http://www.impulse-corp.co.uk/knowledge-base/transmission-distance-and-speed-differences-between-shdsl-and-vdsl2.htm
You might be able to pair bond -- if you had more than one pair.
If wireless isn't possible, you're likely needing
The discussion was regarding an in-building LAN - residential access
networks/WANs are a wholly different beast and GPON is fantastically
suitable for that particular problem.
There is, however, a reason that a lot of new mixed-use (business &&
residential) WAN fibre deployments end up building a
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 01:25:32PM -0800, Nick Bogle wrote:
> A quick question for you guys;
>
> If you had a single dry pair (pair of copper wires originally for
> phones) to a remote site that was around 6 miles away, what would you
> use? We currently are just extending a T1 line to this
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 3:27 PM Nick Bogle wrote:
> A quick question for you guys;
>
> If you had a single dry pair (pair of copper wires originally for phones)
> to a remote site that was around 6 miles away, what would you use? We
> currently are just extending a T1 line to this site, but
On 12/12/18 10:51 AM, William Herrin wrote:
> The AV lab gets screwed. You're running the coax they need through the
> noisy electrical riser because you didn't build dedicated comms risers
> and closets. Naturally nobody checked with them so you don't yet
> realize they can't do what they need to
Thanks everyone that replied, we have quite a list now to dig through.
Thanks
Travis
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Travis Garrison
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 8:08 AM
To: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Looking for Telecom Lawyer
We are looking for a Telecom Lawyer to help
A quick question for you guys;
If you had a single dry pair (pair of copper wires originally for phones)
to a remote site that was around 6 miles away, what would you use? We
currently are just extending a T1 line to this site, but 1.5Mbps isn't
cutting it anymore. Unfortunately it's a research
> On Dec 12, 2018, at 7:08 AM, Travis Garrison wrote:
>
> We are looking for a Telecom Lawyer to help us be a CLEC in the Arkansas,
> Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa and Oklahoma areas. Also we are looking to setup
> agreements for peering, transport and resell for ATT and CenturyLink in the
> same
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 7:51 PM William Herrin wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:47 PM Baldur Norddahl
> wrote:
> > Compared to the traditional approach, you will only have one centralized
> > GPON switch to manage. All the small ONT switches are managed through
> > this. Complaints about the
It is an older example, but the DressCode was able to infect enterprise
networks from compromised Android phones and, according to Trend Micro it did:
Hello NANOG,
I'm working on a presentation and need your help. I'm looking for a case study
where a compromised iOS, Android or other mobile device was utilized as a
backdoor to compromise an enterprise network. Any help will be appreciated.
Regards,
Christopher
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:47 PM Baldur Norddahl
wrote:
> Compared to the traditional approach, you will only have one centralized
> GPON switch to manage. All the small ONT switches are managed through
> this. Complaints about the interface is vendor specific. Because there is only
> one
https://telecomlawyer.net/
https://commlawgroup.com/attorneys/jonathan-s-marashlian/
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From: NANOG On Behalf Of Travis Garrison
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 8:08 AM
To: North American Network
We are looking for a Telecom Lawyer to help us be a CLEC in the Arkansas,
Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa and Oklahoma areas. Also we are looking to setup
agreements for peering, transport and resell for ATT and CenturyLink in the
same areas and Missouri. We are already a CLEC in Missouri.
Thank you
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:16 AM Aled Morris
wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 06:48, Baldur Norddahl
> wrote:
> > It is possible one should not choose this system over a traditional
> approach, but the people screaming "rip it out" are out of line IMHO. It
> would be a huge expense to rewire a
I have tested a variety of equipment as part of my FTTH enterprise. Active
Ethernet is where I’m still sitting because I’m not quite happy with some of
the PON hardware out there personally.
Yes active solutions provide more flexibility in one area but they are only
viable in dense
On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 06:48, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> It is possible one should not choose this system over a traditional approach,
> but the people screaming "rip it out" are out of line IMHO. It would be a
> huge expense to rewire a building with copper and they already got a working
>
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