Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond
Hello Martin, unfortunately RPKI is not yet technically possible for a legacy range in Afrinic. From: Martijn Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:44 PM To: Elad Cohen ; Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org ; Martijn Schmidt Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Hi Elad, If you were to create RPKI ROAs for the IPs in question that'd end the discussion about prefix ownership once and for all. It's the best way to definitively prove, in public, that the accusations of theft are false. And it also helps to protect your resources from accidental leaks or hijacks, so that's a nice bonus. :) Best regards, Martijn Schmidt From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Sent: 17 September 2019 11:09:19 To: Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond The defamatory and invective words, the mudslinging and slander of my name, by Ronald Guilmette, are not true at all and they are completely false, in my hand there are all the purchases approval for purchasing ipv4 and that were paid completely by me. Anyone who wants confirmation the ips belong to us can sent me a direct e-mail and i would be happy to explain and provide evidence. thank you. From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond In message , "Stephen M." wrote: >Please don't praise or complain like we're supposed to take >it at a total face value. If you don=E2=80=99t like them so much - we are >you're audience. Explain. > >If you like Cogent - explain. >If you don=E2=80=99t like Cogent - explain. I see that many others have already chimed in to comment on Cogent's technical prowess, or lack thereof, and on Cogent's customer service, or lack thereof. These things are neither my forte nor my concern. My issue with the company is what I believe is, and rightly should be a meta-issue that should be of overriding concern of all who use or work on the Internet, i.e. the degree to which the company, wittingly or othewise, has enabled theft or squatting on -numerous- large chunks of IPv4 space by what amount to Internet criminals. I already detailed my concerns here, and quite recently: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102944.html The case is both clear and unambiguous. Some little guy by the name of Elad Cohen, living and working in Israel, who has some little two-bit "hosting" company, has been, in very recent times, rather blatantly squatting on numerous previously abandoned legacy blocks... /16 after /16 after /16... perhaps 20 or more such blocks... all of them being used, self evidently, by Mr. Cohen, and many most or all of which Mr. Cohen demonstratably has no legitimate rights to whatsoever... like the blocks he squatted on which belong to the Australian national government's Department of Finance, and another seemingly abandoned legacy /16 that belongs to the City of Cape Town, South Africa. And who were the primary enablers of all of this fraud and theft? Well, it was Mr. Cohen's helpful friends at a hosting company called FDCServers, headquartered in the one American city most known for its high ideals and consistantly ethical behavior, Chicago. FDCServers is not a big company, so I have to assume that its CEO, Mr. Petr Kral, was not entirely oblivious to Mr. Cohen's crooked shenanigans, especially after I personally and explicitly informed him of it all. https://www.linkedin.com/in/fdcservers But the thing of it is that FDCServers, which appears to be a major customer of Cogent, does none of its own routing, preferring instead to have their bigger pals, Cogent (AS174) route all of this stolen IPv4 real estate to their customer, Mr. Cohen, on their behalf which Cogent apparently continued to do, right up through and including this past weekend, e.g. for the stolen blocks 165.53.0.0/16 and 168.206.0.0/16. My beef with both Cogent and FDCServers is simple. They both took Cohen's money and quite clearly didn't ask -any- reasonable questions, prefering instead to just accept Cohen's blatant forgeries as "evidence" of his ownership of the stolen blocks they routed for him. And they continued to do that, and only that, until well after I had explicitly and quite pointedly informed them of the self-evident problems with Mr. Cohen and his blatantly crooked business model. The crimes of Cogent and FDCServers, such as they are, do not rise to the level of "receiving stolen property", but I do think that they qualify under the heading of -transporting- stolen property. And believe me, if a cop pulls you over while you are driving your van, looks in the back and finds a whole lot of stolen bicycles that were ripped off from a nearby University campus, your pro
Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond
Please see the following link: https://afrinic.net/resource-certification As you can see, a MyAFRINIC account is required. Yes, route objects for legacy AFRINIC resources in their RIR operated IRRDB as a fallback for RPKI can be created and they were created by us. From: Martijn Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:45 AM To: Elad Cohen ; nanog@nanog.org ; Martijn Schmidt Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Hi Elad, Is this policy officially documented by AFRINIC somewhere? Can you make route objects for legacy AFRINIC resources in their RIR operated IRRDB as a fallback for RPKI? Best regards, Martijn From: Elad Cohen Sent: 18 September 2019 00:40:13 To: Martijn Schmidt ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Hello Martin, unfortunately RPKI is not yet technically possible for a legacy range in Afrinic. From: Martijn Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:44 PM To: Elad Cohen ; Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org ; Martijn Schmidt Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Hi Elad, If you were to create RPKI ROAs for the IPs in question that'd end the discussion about prefix ownership once and for all. It's the best way to definitively prove, in public, that the accusations of theft are false. And it also helps to protect your resources from accidental leaks or hijacks, so that's a nice bonus. :) Best regards, Martijn Schmidt From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Sent: 17 September 2019 11:09:19 To: Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond The defamatory and invective words, the mudslinging and slander of my name, by Ronald Guilmette, are not true at all and they are completely false, in my hand there are all the purchases approval for purchasing ipv4 and that were paid completely by me. Anyone who wants confirmation the ips belong to us can sent me a direct e-mail and i would be happy to explain and provide evidence. thank you. From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond In message , "Stephen M." wrote: >Please don't praise or complain like we're supposed to take >it at a total face value. If you don=E2=80=99t like them so much - we are >you're audience. Explain. > >If you like Cogent - explain. >If you don=E2=80=99t like Cogent - explain. I see that many others have already chimed in to comment on Cogent's technical prowess, or lack thereof, and on Cogent's customer service, or lack thereof. These things are neither my forte nor my concern. My issue with the company is what I believe is, and rightly should be a meta-issue that should be of overriding concern of all who use or work on the Internet, i.e. the degree to which the company, wittingly or othewise, has enabled theft or squatting on -numerous- large chunks of IPv4 space by what amount to Internet criminals. I already detailed my concerns here, and quite recently: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102944.html The case is both clear and unambiguous. Some little guy by the name of Elad Cohen, living and working in Israel, who has some little two-bit "hosting" company, has been, in very recent times, rather blatantly squatting on numerous previously abandoned legacy blocks... /16 after /16 after /16... perhaps 20 or more such blocks... all of them being used, self evidently, by Mr. Cohen, and many most or all of which Mr. Cohen demonstratably has no legitimate rights to whatsoever... like the blocks he squatted on which belong to the Australian national government's Department of Finance, and another seemingly abandoned legacy /16 that belongs to the City of Cape Town, South Africa. And who were the primary enablers of all of this fraud and theft? Well, it was Mr. Cohen's helpful friends at a hosting company called FDCServers, headquartered in the one American city most known for its high ideals and consistantly ethical behavior, Chicago. FDCServers is not a big company, so I have to assume that its CEO, Mr. Petr Kral, was not entirely oblivious to Mr. Cohen's crooked shenanigans, especially after I personally and explicitly informed him of it all. https://www.linkedin.com/in/fdcservers But the thing of it is that FDCServers, which appears to be a major customer of Cogent, does none of its own routing, preferring instead to have their bigger pals, Cogent (AS174) route all of this stolen IPv4 real estate to their customer, Mr. Cohen, on their behalf which Cogent apparently continued to do, right up through and including this past weekend, e.g. for the stolen blocks 165.53.0.0/16 and 168.206.0.0/16. My beef with both Cogent and
Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond
The defamatory and invective words, the mudslinging and slander of my name, by Ronald Guilmette, are not true at all and they are completely false, in my hand there are all the purchases approval for purchasing ipv4 and that were paid completely by me. Anyone who wants confirmation the ips belong to us can sent me a direct e-mail and i would be happy to explain and provide evidence. thank you. From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond In message , "Stephen M." wrote: >Please don't praise or complain like we're supposed to take >it at a total face value. If you don=E2=80=99t like them so much - we are >you're audience. Explain. > >If you like Cogent - explain. >If you don=E2=80=99t like Cogent - explain. I see that many others have already chimed in to comment on Cogent's technical prowess, or lack thereof, and on Cogent's customer service, or lack thereof. These things are neither my forte nor my concern. My issue with the company is what I believe is, and rightly should be a meta-issue that should be of overriding concern of all who use or work on the Internet, i.e. the degree to which the company, wittingly or othewise, has enabled theft or squatting on -numerous- large chunks of IPv4 space by what amount to Internet criminals. I already detailed my concerns here, and quite recently: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102944.html The case is both clear and unambiguous. Some little guy by the name of Elad Cohen, living and working in Israel, who has some little two-bit "hosting" company, has been, in very recent times, rather blatantly squatting on numerous previously abandoned legacy blocks... /16 after /16 after /16... perhaps 20 or more such blocks... all of them being used, self evidently, by Mr. Cohen, and many most or all of which Mr. Cohen demonstratably has no legitimate rights to whatsoever... like the blocks he squatted on which belong to the Australian national government's Department of Finance, and another seemingly abandoned legacy /16 that belongs to the City of Cape Town, South Africa. And who were the primary enablers of all of this fraud and theft? Well, it was Mr. Cohen's helpful friends at a hosting company called FDCServers, headquartered in the one American city most known for its high ideals and consistantly ethical behavior, Chicago. FDCServers is not a big company, so I have to assume that its CEO, Mr. Petr Kral, was not entirely oblivious to Mr. Cohen's crooked shenanigans, especially after I personally and explicitly informed him of it all. https://www.linkedin.com/in/fdcservers But the thing of it is that FDCServers, which appears to be a major customer of Cogent, does none of its own routing, preferring instead to have their bigger pals, Cogent (AS174) route all of this stolen IPv4 real estate to their customer, Mr. Cohen, on their behalf which Cogent apparently continued to do, right up through and including this past weekend, e.g. for the stolen blocks 165.53.0.0/16 and 168.206.0.0/16. My beef with both Cogent and FDCServers is simple. They both took Cohen's money and quite clearly didn't ask -any- reasonable questions, prefering instead to just accept Cohen's blatant forgeries as "evidence" of his ownership of the stolen blocks they routed for him. And they continued to do that, and only that, until well after I had explicitly and quite pointedly informed them of the self-evident problems with Mr. Cohen and his blatantly crooked business model. The crimes of Cogent and FDCServers, such as they are, do not rise to the level of "receiving stolen property", but I do think that they qualify under the heading of -transporting- stolen property. And believe me, if a cop pulls you over while you are driving your van, looks in the back and finds a whole lot of stolen bicycles that were ripped off from a nearby University campus, your protestations that you were "only delivering them to a friend" won't wash to get you out of a short stint in the Graybar Hotel. Cohen, with the help of FDCServers and Cogent, stole millions of dollars worth of valuable IPv4 real estate. Unfortunately, due to the lack of sophistication of crinminal authorities, combined with the trans-border and international nature of these crimes, Cohen will undoubtedly walk, as will Cogent and FDCServers. (So much for equal justice under law!) But I'll tell you straight up that I personally wouldn't trust any of these clowns to hold my wallet, not even for five minutes, and not even if it were empty. Regards, rfg
Re: Elad Cohen
Mr. Ronald Guilmette Everything you did and you wrote in this forum until today, including mudslinging and slandering, including thieves and crooks, they are libel for all intents and purposes with everything it implies, and this without to display any proof. We return and say, in our hands are all the agreements of the purchases that we've purchased properly with our best money. It is hinted from your tongue-lashing, that you are connected clearly with Spamhaus and ARIN, that have an interest to receive the ranges, following the increase of value of the ranges in the free market and the lack of them. All of this subject was transferred to our lawyers, due to the mudslinging and slandering and the nicknames you wrote thieves and crooks in this forum, a libel suit against you will be filed with a high amount, of course that all of the written proofs an agreements regarding the legal purchases that we've made will be added to the libel suit. Copies: Mr. Bennet Kelley From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 11:22 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Elad Cohen In message , Masataka Ohta wrote: >Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > > So, if you are looking for a Crime here, i.e. one defined under law, > > there isn't one. > >You don't know how broadly crime of fraud is defined by the current code. > >Just injecting false route information may not be a crime. > >However, doing so for financial gain maybe a crime of fraud. I guess that there is something that either you, or perhaps I, are not understanding here. Did you mean to suggest that either Mr. Cohen or any of the friendly networks that he has persuaded to announce routes for him (by paying them to do so) are doing any of this just for their health? Financial gain appears to me to be the obvious motivation for all of this. >False registration for financial gain by deceiving a registrar >is definitely a crime, regardless of what is registered. > >See the actual code: > > https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2015C00507 Allow me to clarify. In the case if the APNIC region blocks that I have called out, I have -no- evidence to suggest that there has been any deception or untoward manipulation of registry information whatsoever. With respect to the AFRINIC region blocks I have called out, if you have a relevant citation from the criminal code of the island nation of Mauritius, I would be most appreciative if you would share that with me. It may come in handy at some point. Regards, rfg
Re: Elad Cohen, show us!
Hello Richard, It is not related to nefarious activity as you wrote, FDCServers policy is to stop routing any ranges which is in Spamhaus SBL (no matter what), due to the phear from Spamhaus to list all of FDCServers ranges in SBL, which was told to us in a documented phone call, listing all of the ranges by Spamhaus is a known agrressive and bullying tactic by Spamhaus as you can find in many webpages online. You can find the same aggressive Spamhaus bullying tactic written here by Ronald Guilmette vs AMS-IX: "In the case of AMS-IX, it is my sincere hope that it will not again require another unfortunate confrontation with Spamhaus in order to bring them around to yet another "Come To Jesus" moment, but at present they do appear bent on defending their rights to do the indefensible, despite anything approximating reasoned argument... as has happened before in their case." From: NANOG on behalf of Richard Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 3:28 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Elad Cohen, show us! Mr. Guilmette, my curiosity has now been increased as I notice Cogent is no longer supplying routing for the /16's you have spoken of. It certainly would be nice to see Mr. Cohen demonstrate proof of legitimate ownership. I have never seen Cogent behave in this manner unless there really is some nefarious activity in regards to the blocks in question. Please Mr.Cohen, stand up and demonstrate how you obtained so much valuable v4 space. Richard Golodner Infratection IT Services On 9/18/19 4:52 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: In message <mailto:vi1pr1001mb1294743a032db4f595901579d6...@vi1pr1001mb1294.eurprd10.prod.outlook.com>, Elad Cohen <mailto:e...@netstyle.io> wrote: Please see the following link: https://afrinic.net/resource-certification As you can see, a MyAFRINIC account is required. Yes, route objects for legacy AFRINIC resources in their RIR operated IRRDB as a fallback for RPKI can be created and they were created by us. What Mr. Cohen continues to dance around is the inconvenient truth that even if he had an AFRINIC account, this would neither help nor explain his thefts of the several AFRINIC -and- APNIC region blocks that I have already listed here. RIPE Routing History reveals the truth, for anyone who wishes to consult that historical data, and I also have plenty of saved traceroutes for each of those APNIC blocks, as well as all of the others that Mr. Cohen stole from the AFRINIC region. Those were all helpfully routed, until quite recently, to Mr. Cohen, and by Mr. Cohen's dear friends at FDCServers and Cogent. Come now Mr. Cohen, please do tell us who you paid for rights to the 168.198.0.0/16 block, which belongs to the Australian government, and which your pals at Cogent and FDCServers were routing to you until quite recently. Who did you pay and how much did you pay for your "rights" to the City of Cape Town's 165.25.0.0/16 block? It's OK. No need to be shy. Show us the your sales reciepts for those blocks please! We could all use a good laugh today. Alternatively, if you can't or won't show us that, then at least have the decency to admit that you're a liar, a fraud, and a con man, and that until I caught you, you were stealing all of the IPv4 space that wasn't nailed down in both the AFRINIC region and the APNIC region. Did you seriously think that you could get away with all this and that nobody would even notice? If so, then you're even dumber that you look in all of the online pictures of you I've seen. Regards, rfg
Re: Elad Cohen
Mr. Ronald Guilmette The way you called us in this forum incessantly, thieves and crooks, is not the right way, this is libel for all intents and purposes, we will not wrangle with you in this forum as this subject was transferred our lawyers. We are sure that in one year, you will not be such a "hero" and a "savior" as you represent yourself today. From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:03 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Elad Cohen In message <8a49bf73-7a68-4b8f-9dc5-e94b7fe63...@globalone.io>, Florian Brandstetter wrote: >... this is certainly not a place where you can >slander his name or anyone associated with him in any manner for the >entertainment of everyone... If I have slandered anyone, then I shall bear the price for that, in accordance with law. I have accepted that risk, in order to say what I have said, and I have done so from within the most litigious nation on earth. Meanwhile, if I am right and if Mr. Cohen is wrong, then what price will he pay for his misdeeds, and who will see to it that he receives the justice due him? Mr. Cohen sits with impunity in Israel, and by remote control appears to request his California lawyer, the colorful and storied Mr. Bennett Kelley, to file suit against me, even as Mr. Cohen takes IPv4 space away from legitimate businesses and governmental entities in South Africa, Australia, and Japan, also by remote control, and also with the relative impunity afforded him by his sheer distance from these places. I have risked my neck, my reputation, and my entire bank account in order to call him out, and if you think that I have done so lightly or without evidence you are wrong. Meanwhile, what has Mr. Cohen risked? And who will see to it that he pays an appropriate price, in Israel, if I am right and he is wrong? Regards, rfg
Re: Elad Cohen
Mr. Ronald Guilmette You are the only person that called us thieves and crooks without any proof and for that we will discuss in the lawsuit against you. From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 1:12 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Elad Cohen In message , Elad Cohen wrote: >Mr. Ronald Guilmette > >Everything you did and you wrote in this forum until today, including mud- >slinging and slandering, including thieves and crooks, they are libel for all >intents and purposes with everything it implies, and this without to >display any proof. > >We return and say, in our hands are all the agreements of the purchases that >we've purchased properly with our best money. Mr. Cohen, I'm sure that I speak for many when I say that we all very much look forward to seeing the unredacted copies of those alleged purchase agreements, whenever you can take time out from your busy schedule to produce them. It would also be helpful if you would include whatever additional documents, as may be necessary, to demonstrate convincingly that whoever you allegedly bought the blocks from came by them honestly, and not due to some earlier skulduggery, particularly the ones I have already mentioned, e.g. the 168.198.0.0/16 block, the 139.44.0.0/16 block, the 165.25.0.0/16 block, and not least the Infoplan/SITA block, 196.16.0.0/14. >It is hinted from your tongue-lashing, that you are connected clearly with >Spamhaus and ARIN, that have an interest to receive the ranges, following >the increase of value of the ranges in the free market and the lack of them. Gosh darm it! You caught me! I'm really a stealth IP speculator. I didn't want it publicly known that I have been sitting all this time on an enormous stash of no fewer than two whole IPv4 addresses. I also didn't want it known that I am actually in league with Spamhaus, ARIN, Vladimir Putin, the Marx Brothers, Boris Johnson, Ricky Gervais, and oh yes, Beelzebub. But now that the cat is out of the bag, I might as well fess up. Yes, we have all been plotting together to steal your valuable stash of IPv4 addresses, and in fact, Cogent is in on the plot too. I would have told you sooner, but I was busy eating children... with a nice chianti, of course. >All of this subject was transferred to our lawyers, due to the mudslinging >and slandering and the nicknames you wrote thieves and crooks in this forum >a libel suit against you will be filed with a high amount, of course that >all of the written proofs an agreements regarding the legal purchases that >we've made will be added to the libel suit. Is the official NANOG historian in the house? I just want to ruling on this. Am I the first and only person who has ever received a cartooney directly on the NANOG list? I just want to know if I can go ahead and contact the Guinness people, and get this unique feat recorded officially. Regards, rfg
Re: Elad Cohen
Agreements were already sent to Spamhaus and from there were transferred to Jan Vermeulen, the "friend" of Ronald, unfortunately Ronald decided that they are "forged" because they have the same police stamp in the same position (these are not different documents, but the same single document that on each sending to Spamhaus, the other non-relevant netblocks were grayed-out) Regarding: "No one with half a brain even skimming this thread will conclude that you're innocent in this matter" Can you please write based on what you are writing it? (we will very appreciate facts and not opinions) From: Matt Corallo Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:35 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Elad Cohen Come on dude, you could just respond with the requested LoAs and purchase agreements and yet instead you threaten lawsuits. No one with half a brain even skimming this thread will conclude that you're innocent in this matter (a lapse in accuracy or two here and there by Mr Guilmette notwithstanding). Take your useless grandstanding elsewhere. Matt On Sep 19, 2019, at 13:18, Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: Mr. Ronald Guilmette The way you called us in this forum incessantly, thieves and crooks, is not the right way, this is libel for all intents and purposes, we will not wrangle with you in this forum as this subject was transferred our lawyers. We are sure that in one year, you will not be such a "hero" and a "savior" as you represent yourself today. From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette mailto:r...@tristatelogic.com>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 2:03 PM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: Elad Cohen In message <8a49bf73-7a68-4b8f-9dc5-e94b7fe63...@globalone.io<mailto:8a49bf73-7a68-4b8f-9dc5-e94b7fe63...@globalone.io>>, Florian Brandstetter mailto:flori...@globalone.io>> wrote: >... this is certainly not a place where you can >slander his name or anyone associated with him in any manner for the >entertainment of everyone... If I have slandered anyone, then I shall bear the price for that, in accordance with law. I have accepted that risk, in order to say what I have said, and I have done so from within the most litigious nation on earth. Meanwhile, if I am right and if Mr. Cohen is wrong, then what price will he pay for his misdeeds, and who will see to it that he receives the justice due him? Mr. Cohen sits with impunity in Israel, and by remote control appears to request his California lawyer, the colorful and storied Mr. Bennett Kelley, to file suit against me, even as Mr. Cohen takes IPv4 space away from legitimate businesses and governmental entities in South Africa, Australia, and Japan, also by remote control, and also with the relative impunity afforded him by his sheer distance from these places. I have risked my neck, my reputation, and my entire bank account in order to call him out, and if you think that I have done so lightly or without evidence you are wrong. Meanwhile, what has Mr. Cohen risked? And who will see to it that he pays an appropriate price, in Israel, if I am right and he is wrong? Regards, rfg
Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
- There's a fundamental lack of understanding from people on why you can't just 'bolt on' more addresses to IPv4. Data structures in memory, software APIs and syscalls, hex notations, subnetting, route determination and propigation with internet routing protocols like BGP, hardware CAM, among many other things. - All of it will be resolved with a software update, and BGP will be updated to support IPv4+ with backward compatibility. - I'm not here to do your homework. Its not my fault you lack the understanding as to why people are openly mocking you here on your 'inventions'. - Nobody is "mocking" besides IPv6 fans that are against any solution until IPv6 will be fully deployed which can take more 20 years from now. From: NANOG on behalf of Brielle Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:56 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Meant to send this to the list, but hit reply instead of reply to list. Oops. Fixed. On 5/13/2020 11:35 AM, Elad Cohen wrote: > The principals in IPv4+ weren't suggested anywhere else, can you provide > a link ? instead of misleading the readers again. > Those of us who have actually been involved here and elsewhere for a very long time have seen people bring it up every year. Their ultimate solution to the IPv4 issue. Like I said, we all just chuckle at it whenever anyone makes a big deal about it. There's a fundamental lack of understanding from people on why you can't just 'bolt on' more addresses to IPv4. Data structures in memory, software APIs and syscalls, hex notations, subnetting, route determination and propigation with internet routing protocols like BGP, hardware CAM, among many other things. > Not even a single fact in your reply, only hollow big words. I'm not here to do your homework. Its not my fault you lack the understanding as to why people are openly mocking you here on your 'inventions'. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org
Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
We will take your path, lets wait 20 years for IPv6 to be fully deployed. From: NANOG on behalf of Brielle Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:16 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On 5/13/2020 12:09 PM, Elad Cohen wrote: > - > /There's a fundamental lack of understanding from people on why you can't > just 'bolt on' more addresses to IPv4. Data structures in memory, > software APIs and syscalls, hex notations, subnetting, route > determination and propigation with internet routing protocols like BGP, > hardware CAM, among many other things./ > - > All of it will be resolved with a software update, and BGP will be > updated to support IPv4+ with backward compatibility. You mean what everyone's already implemented with IPv6? A complete overhaul/replacement for IPv4, with all the changes already done and fully supported in most major software packages, servers, routers, and switches? Enlighten me on why you are so obsessed with re-implementing IPv6 as IPv4+? - > /I'm not here to do your homework. Its not my fault you lack the > understanding as to why people are openly mocking you here on your > 'inventions'./ > - > Nobody is "mocking" besides IPv6 fans that are against any solution > until IPv6 will be fully deployed which can take more 20 years from now. Yes, because the all powerful IPv6 cartel is working with the Lumber Cartel to stifle your 'inventions' for 'solving' the world's IP and spam problems. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org
Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
Professional ? with Coconut Guilmette ? From: Phil Smith Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:14 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Brielle ; NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Gentleman, please this is a professional environment, lets keep it that way. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:13 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. Grow a backbone please. From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on behalf of Brielle mailto:br...@2mbit.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:57 PM To: NANOG list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On 5/13/2020 12:42 PM, William Herrin wrote: > Hi Brielle, > > http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html > > Someone said much as you did way back in 2007. It bugged me, this > defeatism that said there was no way IPv4 could have been > incrementally updated to support more addresses, that a greenfield > protocol was the only path forward. So I designed an upgrade factoring > in the need for pre- and post-upgrade stacks and networks to > interoperate over a period of years. It took all of 4 printed pages. > > It's clear IPv6 is the path forward. It was clear in 2007. But don't > for a second believe that's because IPv4 could not have been upgraded > in place. That's a failure of imagination. Interesting, thank you for the insight and some detailed breakdown. I'm actually really glad someone with some more experience jumped in with some actual background in this effort. One thing that cropped up in my mind from the late 90s and AFAIK still goes on today - isn't it pretty well documented that more then a small number of 'professional' firewalls have a habit of just outright discarding/rejecting/barfing on packets with options in them that they don't recognize? IE: PMTU/ECN blackhole redux. Of course since IPx1 requires some stack upgrades, so that point is moot really. Sigh. Back to the original thought that its just easier to go IPv6 then try to 'fix' whats already out there. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org
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LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. Grow a backbone please. From: NANOG on behalf of Brielle Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:57 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On 5/13/2020 12:42 PM, William Herrin wrote: > Hi Brielle, > > http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html > > Someone said much as you did way back in 2007. It bugged me, this > defeatism that said there was no way IPv4 could have been > incrementally updated to support more addresses, that a greenfield > protocol was the only path forward. So I designed an upgrade factoring > in the need for pre- and post-upgrade stacks and networks to > interoperate over a period of years. It took all of 4 printed pages. > > It's clear IPv6 is the path forward. It was clear in 2007. But don't > for a second believe that's because IPv4 could not have been upgraded > in place. That's a failure of imagination. Interesting, thank you for the insight and some detailed breakdown. I'm actually really glad someone with some more experience jumped in with some actual background in this effort. One thing that cropped up in my mind from the late 90s and AFAIK still goes on today - isn't it pretty well documented that more then a small number of 'professional' firewalls have a habit of just outright discarding/rejecting/barfing on packets with options in them that they don't recognize? IE: PMTU/ECN blackhole redux. Of course since IPx1 requires some stack upgrades, so that point is moot really. Sigh. Back to the original thought that its just easier to go IPv6 then try to 'fix' whats already out there. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org
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Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an update (for example through the operating systems automatic updates mechanisms) It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement everything fast (the roundtable will include one representative from each of the operating system vendors, one representative from each of the routing equipment manufacturers and one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that the needed updates will be created fast. Each party in the roundtable will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool, and each ASN will also receive for example a /21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be [256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255] So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also integration in the applicative layer easier (as application developers will only need to set that the first number can be higher instead to support a new format of [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 ) From: Mikael Abrahamsson Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Brielle ; NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote: > LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you > know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. "In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4." Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
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"As a matter of fact" - if you created an implementation please send me the sourcecode. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:02 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: David Hubbard ; NANOG Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Wed, May 13, 2020, 8:33 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: You clearly didn't understand how IPv4+ works. That's because it doesn't work! Just like the rest of your "solutions", as a matter of fact. -- Töma
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Regards, Jordi "The IPv6 Company" From: NANOG on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:17 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election It is curious how many times we have heard that, not only heard in NANOG and other NOGs, but also in IETF, even debated in long thread with several IDs, and for some strange reason, we all missed that or maybe because nobody got the running code to demonstrate his/her point in a realistic way? Instead, IPv6 is working for everyone that invest just a little bit of effort, in the only credible long-term solution. Of course, like in any aspect of our life, always some people will believe that they can keep using legacy tools, I still see some people using abacus instead of the “calc.app”, it is nice, just for fun, but is not smart neither productive. It is matter of what the world needs. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 13/5/20 21:58, "NANOG en nombre de Elad Cohen" mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org> en nombre de e...@netstyle.io<mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> escribió: Your home ISP will support IPv4+ packets exactly as it is now, because IPv4+ is based on the exact current IPv4 packet format. With the needed roundtable - IPv4+ will be deployed in the whole internet and fast. From: NANOG on behalf of David Hubbard Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:44 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election It just keeps getting dumber by the minute. My home ISP hasn’t even updated firmware to one that supports v6, but yeah, they’re surely going to update to your Frankenstein ipv4 because you’re going to give them a taste of addresses from the nightmare pool that will reach even less of the internet than v6. From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:41 PM To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an update (for example through the operating systems automatic updates mechanisms) It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement everything fast (the roundtable will include one representative from each of the operating system vendors, one representative from each of the routing equipment manufacturers and one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that the needed updates will be created fast. Each party in the roundtable will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool, and each ASN will also receive for example a /21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be [256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255] So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also integration in the applicative layer easier (as application developers will only need to set that the first number can be higher instead to support a new format of [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 ) From: Mikael Abrahamsson Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Brielle ; NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote: > LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you > know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. "In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4." Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new I
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"absolute king" - I'm only trying to be elected to RIPE board, what does this strange person wants. From: Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:28 PM To: Elad Cohen; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Yes, are you having trouble understanding that? Even if we suppose a world where you are the absolute king of all RIRs plus IANA *and* majority shareholder of all commercial entities you have envisioned for your round table, it would still not work. I'd pay to see that unfold in a VR simulation though, A+ entertainment :D -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. > -Original Message- > From: Elad Cohen > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:01 PM > To: Terrence Koeman ; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > "actually be implemented, even in theory" > > > > > > From: Terrence Koeman > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:58 PM > To: Elad Cohen; David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > You're welcome :) And don't worry I already have posted it on social > media. > > > I don't believe there is any danger of your "solutions" being mistaken for > something that can actually be implemented, even in theory. > > > If there was we would have larger issues than just the resource drain and > time-wasting of trying to forcefully implement comically unrealistic > "solutions". None of which are abated by suppression of your "solutions" > or discussion of them. > > > In fact, if people that believe you're a genius and that your "solutions" > merit implementation exist in positions where they can actually effect an > attempt to implement them (causing certain resource drain and time- > wasting), it's best we know about it sooner rather than later. > > > -- > Regards, >Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. > > > > From: Elad Cohen > Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:16 > To: Terrence Koeman; David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > >Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social > accounts. > > > >From: NANOG on behalf of Terrence Koeman >Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:54 PM >To: David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > >If you thought IPv4+ was entertaining, check out his "solution" to > packet spoofing: > > >https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020- > April/003902.html > > >And SPAM: > > >https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020- > April/003778.html > > >These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) > > >This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting > to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I > encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger > effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he > appears committed to building a tower there). > > >Ref: > >[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect > >[2] > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger > _Effect_01.svg > >-- >Regards, > Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > >Please quote relevant replies. >Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. > >From: David Hubbard >Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 >To: nanog@nanog.org >Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > >LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly > don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that > the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be > implemented with ‘software updates’ too… > >From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen > >Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM >To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , "nanog@nanog.org" > >Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > >Hello Everyone, > >
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LOL at people that are against anything besides IPv6 when it will take much much more time until IPv6 will be fully deployed. You clearly didn't understand how IPv4+ works. From: NANOG on behalf of David Hubbard Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:17 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too… From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition. That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abus
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Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. From: NANOG on behalf of Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:54 PM To: David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election If you thought IPv4+ was entertaining, check out his "solution" to packet spoofing: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.html And SPAM: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.html These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there). Ref: [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_Effect_01.svg -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. From: David Hubbard Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too… From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by t
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Spamhaus is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following private presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation When they sued in court it wasn't related to them providing massive amount of illgaly-obtained privacy data on a regular basis to Law Enforcement Agencies (without any warrant), please don't mislead the readers. The principals in IPv4+ weren't suggested anywhere else, can you provide a link ? instead of misleading the readers again. Not even a single fact in your reply, only hollow big words. From: NANOG on behalf of Brielle Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 8:28 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Dude, you sound like a rambling loon in this e-mail. Hate to break it to you, but there's nothing illegal about Spamhaus or what it does. This has been proven in court cases before. Your supposed 'invention' for IPv4+ has been suggested before many times publicly in different variations (like for example, .999), and usually laughed at, because it lacks a fundamental understanding of how IPv4 was designed and why it was designed that way. Your anti-spam 'solutions' are just another "ultimate solution to the spam problem" that isn't going to work, and that quite a few us of laugh at every time someone brings up their own version of it. Being a former DNSbl maintainer, I've seen e-mails like this hundreds of times from people like you. Some things never change, do they? On 5/13/2020 7:46 AM, Elad Cohen wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The > Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital > after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. > > What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an > intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. > > I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal > anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort > from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal > anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to > attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was > out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). > > "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to > their own words in their own following presentation: > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation > > They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount > of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet > companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal > way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the > reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the > illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous > organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > > > /and that said legal counsel has then > / > /proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > / > /South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > / > /to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block/ > > This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their > internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can > email me directly. > > > > /"I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block"/ > > Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are > criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all > Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the > following links: > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX > https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in > the following two links, by people which are not related to me: > https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > > In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two > antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare > literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards > me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog > subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (wi
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With all due respect, I was defamed in this "professional" environment and was called with antisemitic and racist titles - for many months and without a single proof against me, when some of the subscribers of this "professional" environment even enjoyed the antisemitic phrases with a popcorn, according to their own words. From: Phil Smith Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:17 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Brielle ; NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Yeah. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:17 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: Professional ? with Coconut Guilmette ? From: Phil Smith mailto:phillip.smith.adh...@gmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:14 AM To: Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> Cc: Brielle mailto:br...@2mbit.com>>; NANOG list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Gentleman, please this is a professional environment, lets keep it that way. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:13 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. Grow a backbone please. From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on behalf of Brielle mailto:br...@2mbit.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:57 PM To: NANOG list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On 5/13/2020 12:42 PM, William Herrin wrote: > Hi Brielle, > > http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html > > Someone said much as you did way back in 2007. It bugged me, this > defeatism that said there was no way IPv4 could have been > incrementally updated to support more addresses, that a greenfield > protocol was the only path forward. So I designed an upgrade factoring > in the need for pre- and post-upgrade stacks and networks to > interoperate over a period of years. It took all of 4 printed pages. > > It's clear IPv6 is the path forward. It was clear in 2007. But don't > for a second believe that's because IPv4 could not have been upgraded > in place. That's a failure of imagination. Interesting, thank you for the insight and some detailed breakdown. I'm actually really glad someone with some more experience jumped in with some actual background in this effort. One thing that cropped up in my mind from the late 90s and AFAIK still goes on today - isn't it pretty well documented that more then a small number of 'professional' firewalls have a habit of just outright discarding/rejecting/barfing on packets with options in them that they don't recognize? IE: PMTU/ECN blackhole redux. Of course since IPx1 requires some stack upgrades, so that point is moot really. Sigh. Back to the original thought that its just easier to go IPv6 then try to 'fix' whats already out there. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org/ http://www.ahbl.org
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For you nothing will work. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:39 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: David Hubbard ; NANOG Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Wed, May 13, 2020, 10:27 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: So you didn't even test the implementation and didn't create it - so why you are writing "As a matter of fact". Which fact ? any evidence ? No, Elad. It is *you* who needs to prove that your concept works. Unless you do it, it is wise (and generally acceptable in IETF and the likes) to assume it doesn't. So far, you haven't done so. Having said so, when it comes to your "anti-spoofing solution" (sic!), I even have dedicated certain time reviewing it and writing a response. Based on the concepts I've seen, I honestly wonder if you ever got the appropriate engineering degree. By the way, what you have published as your "biography" on the RIPE Exec Board candidate page doesn't quite help to sort out the latter statement. -- Töma
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"actually be implemented, even in theory" From: Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:58 PM To: Elad Cohen; David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election You're welcome :) And don't worry I already have posted it on social media. I don't believe there is any danger of your "solutions" being mistaken for something that can actually be implemented, even in theory. If there was we would have larger issues than just the resource drain and time-wasting of trying to forcefully implement comically unrealistic "solutions". None of which are abated by suppression of your "solutions" or discussion of them. In fact, if people that believe you're a genius and that your "solutions" merit implementation exist in positions where they can actually effect an attempt to implement them (causing certain resource drain and time-wasting), it's best we know about it sooner rather than later. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. From: Elad Cohen Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:16 To: Terrence Koeman; David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. From: NANOG on behalf of Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:54 PM To: David Hubbard; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election If you thought IPv4+ was entertaining, check out his "solution" to packet spoofing: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.html And SPAM: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.html These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there). Ref: [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_Effect_01.svg -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. From: David Hubbard Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too… From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if t
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So you didn't even test the implementation and didn't create it - so why you are writing "As a matter of fact". Which fact ? any evidence ? From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:25 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: David Hubbard ; NANOG Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Wed, May 13, 2020, 10:07 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: "As a matter of fact" - if you created an implementation please send me the sourcecode. Wait, so you're coming up publicly with a proposal you don't even have a reference implementation for?! Oh, my. -- Töma
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Your home ISP will support IPv4+ packets exactly as it is now, because IPv4+ is based on the exact current IPv4 packet format. With the needed roundtable - IPv4+ will be deployed in the whole internet and fast. From: NANOG on behalf of David Hubbard Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:44 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election It just keeps getting dumber by the minute. My home ISP hasn’t even updated firmware to one that supports v6, but yeah, they’re surely going to update to your Frankenstein ipv4 because you’re going to give them a taste of addresses from the nightmare pool that will reach even less of the internet than v6. From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:41 PM To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an update (for example through the operating systems automatic updates mechanisms) It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement everything fast (the roundtable will include one representative from each of the operating system vendors, one representative from each of the routing equipment manufacturers and one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that the needed updates will be created fast. Each party in the roundtable will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool, and each ASN will also receive for example a /21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be [256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255] So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also integration in the applicative layer easier (as application developers will only need to set that the first number can be higher instead to support a new format of [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 ) From: Mikael Abrahamsson Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Brielle ; NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote: > LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you > know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. "In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4." Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
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Only active BGP routers will need to be updated, EOL active BGP routers can be reversed engineered and patched if they are popular enough (for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it might be worth to replace them) From: Shane Ronan Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:59 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: William Herrin ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election How do you solve for all the devices that don't have vendor support and will no longer be able to operate? Or are you suggesting we run a third Internet ( IPv4, IPv4+ and IPv6) further segregating the things that can communicate on the Internet. On Wed, May 13, 2020, 6:48 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: I don't have the experience that you have in routing equipment internals. Regarding the performance issue in routers of complex security evaluations - maybe the following alternative will be fine: The "source BGP router" will add the ASN of it (in clear text) to the end of ip packet data field (after two null bytes), the total length and checksum fields in the ip header will be recalculated. Any next BGP router will check the last bits of the ip packet data which are after the last two null bytes for any ip packet - then if that part (from the two null bytes to the end) doesn't contain a null byte in it then these bytes are representing the first ASN, the BGP router will check that it peers with the specific ASN, if not the ip packet will be dropped. If yes - at the end of the ip packet data field a null byte will be added by the BGP router with the ASN (in cleartext) of that second BGP router, then the third BGP router (and so on) will check last ASN in the ip packet data (after the null byte) - if it peers with it - and if yes will replace that ASN with the current BGP router ASN and so on (so the end of the ip packet data field will include: two null bytes, the "source BGP router" ASN, a null byte, and then the ASN of the last BGP router), when the ip packet will reach to the "destination BGP router", the "destination BGP router" will check if the source address is announced through the first ASN (which is at listed at the ip packet data field) within a local table that it will have, and if yes then the part in the ip packet data field after the last two null bytes will be removed and the ip packet will be forwarded to the destination ip address. From: William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:59 PM To: Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: > Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.html "At the source BGP router, for any ip packet with a source address that is from the network of the source BGP router (lets call it original ip packet) - the source BGP router will create a new ip packet " How long have you been around Elad? I expect such ideas from a junior network engineer. It's part of the learning process. For example, in this case it's dysfunctional for an intermediate router that may be on one of several equal-cost paths to hold packets awaiting their companions. Even if you found a way to embed the information in the base packet, backbone-level routers simply don't have the capacity to do complex security evaluations (e.g. encryption) on individual packets. The cost of changing that would be phenomenal. Regards, Bill Herrin > > > And SPAM: > > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.html > > > These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) > > > This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain > power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such > an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched > right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a > tower there). > > > Ref: > > [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect > > [2] > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_Effect_01.svg > > > -- > Regards, >Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. > > From: David Hubbard > mailto:
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I understand the following sentence: https://icannwiki.org/Owen_DeLong "Owen has a special interest in policy as it relates to IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 deployment." From: Owen DeLong Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:03 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: David Hubbard ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election More accurately, you clearly don’t understand exactly how IPv4+ doesn’t work. Owen On May 13, 2020, at 10:30 , Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: LOL at people that are against anything besides IPv6 when it will take much much more time until IPv6 will be fully deployed. You clearly didn't understand how IPv4+ works.
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I would like to apologize before the whole Nanog community, there are people which are very very obsessed to me and following me everywhere, such as Denys and Toma, you can see what Denys wrote in the following link: https://imgur.com/a/PAdx9xz I wish good luck to their candidate in these elections. From: NANOG on behalf of Denys Fedoryshchenko Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:18 AM To: Töma Gavrichenkov Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On 2020-05-13 22:53, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: > Peace, > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:43 PM Elad Cohen wrote: >> For you nothing will work. > > Is it a personal attack? > > IPv6 is working good for me so far ;-) > > -- > Töma It works for Elad as well. He is pushing others for IPv4+ suffering, while he is happily using IPv6. (Anybody can check his x-originating-ip header) ROTFL
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Another member of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". From: Christopher Morrow Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:34 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: David Hubbard ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election admins, can we can this worm can back and .. get back to work ? kthxbi. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 5:29 PM Elad Cohen wrote: > > LOL so much heat and lies from IPv6 fans that don't want IPv4+ to be deployed. > > From: NANOG on behalf of David Hubbard > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:10 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > I suspect he’d want to slow adoption and push his frankestein IPv4 because > any extension of IPv4 use makes the netblocks’s he’s obtained questionable > ‘ownership’ of more valuable, in theory. > > > > From: NANOG on behalf > of Baldur Norddahl > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 5:02 PM > To: "nanog@nanog.org" > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > > Akamai already has 15% peak IPv6 traffic: > > > > https://blogs.akamai.com/2020/02/at-21-tbps-reaching-new-levels-of-ipv6-traffic.html > > > > Some internet service providers may have more than half of their traffic as > IPv6. > > > > Some countries are now crossing more than 50% IPv6 availability: > > > > https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html > > > > Why do you think you can overtake the IPv6 train? Why would we want to > abandon the work already done?
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I'll vote for you! From: NANOG on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:46 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election I’m a very transparent guy, nothing to hide about how much I do for the community, including voluntary work for many folks that need and want to implement IPv6. Probably that explains it! El 13/5/20 22:32, "Elad Cohen" mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> escribió: Regards, Jordi "The IPv6 Company" From: NANOG on behalf of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:17 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election It is curious how many times we have heard that, not only heard in NANOG and other NOGs, but also in IETF, even debated in long thread with several IDs, and for some strange reason, we all missed that or maybe because nobody got the running code to demonstrate his/her point in a realistic way? Instead, IPv6 is working for everyone that invest just a little bit of effort, in the only credible long-term solution. Of course, like in any aspect of our life, always some people will believe that they can keep using legacy tools, I still see some people using abacus instead of the “calc.app”, it is nice, just for fun, but is not smart neither productive. It is matter of what the world needs. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 13/5/20 21:58, "NANOG en nombre de Elad Cohen" mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org> en nombre de e...@netstyle.io<mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> escribió: Your home ISP will support IPv4+ packets exactly as it is now, because IPv4+ is based on the exact current IPv4 packet format. With the needed roundtable - IPv4+ will be deployed in the whole internet and fast. From: NANOG on behalf of David Hubbard Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:44 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election It just keeps getting dumber by the minute. My home ISP hasn’t even updated firmware to one that supports v6, but yeah, they’re surely going to update to your Frankenstein ipv4 because you’re going to give them a taste of addresses from the nightmare pool that will reach even less of the internet than v6. From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:41 PM To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an update (for example through the operating systems automatic updates mechanisms) It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement everything fast (the roundtable will include one representative from each of the operating system vendors, one representative from each of the routing equipment manufacturers and one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that the needed updates will be created fast. Each party in the roundtable will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool, and each ASN will also receive for example a /21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be [256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255] So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also integration in the applicative layer easier (as application developers will only need to set that the first number can be higher instead to support a new format of [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 ) From: Mikael Abrahamsson Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Brielle ; NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote: > LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you > know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. "In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4." Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-
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LOL so much heat and lies from IPv6 fans that don't want IPv4+ to be deployed. From: NANOG on behalf of David Hubbard Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:10 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election I suspect he’d want to slow adoption and push his frankestein IPv4 because any extension of IPv4 use makes the netblocks’s he’s obtained questionable ‘ownership’ of more valuable, in theory. From: NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 5:02 PM To: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Akamai already has 15% peak IPv6 traffic: https://blogs.akamai.com/2020/02/at-21-tbps-reaching-new-levels-of-ipv6-traffic.html Some internet service providers may have more than half of their traffic as IPv6. Some countries are now crossing more than 50% IPv6 availability: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html Why do you think you can overtake the IPv6 train? Why would we want to abandon the work already done?
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Who you are voting? From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:51 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Shane Ronan ; NANOG Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:48 AM Elad Cohen wrote: > "forgive and forget." > Thank you for your vote. Well, when I forget anything that doesn't make sense about your proposals, there's nothing left to think of! Ergo, not at all, because I'm clearly not voting for you :-) -- Töma
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A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen wrote: > [..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are > causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world > and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it > might be worth to replace them) What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where? Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this. What engineering experience do you have? -- Töma
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You are right, more IPv4 addresses are not needed. From: Owen DeLong Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:17 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson ; NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On May 13, 2020, at 12:36 , Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an update (for example through the operating systems automatic updates mechanisms) Uh… You left out Every Application on Every Host. How do all of those applications get updated (some fo which are in-house custom code whose maintainers long since retired). If you’re recoding all the applications, that’s pretty much the last hurdle left at this point for IPv6, so what’s the advantage of IPv4+ at this point? None whatsoever. It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement everything fast (the roundtable will include one representative from each of the operating system vendors, one representative from each of the routing equipment manufacturers and one representative from each of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do everything in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that the needed updates will be created fast. Each party in the roundtable will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool, and each ASN will also receive for example a /21 , home-routers and home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be [256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255] So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also integration in the applicative layer easier (as application developers will only need to set that the first number can be higher instead to support a new format of [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 ) So you want to retain all the need for NAT, continue to make end-users second-class citizens, avoid most of the gains and improvements of IPv6, while reducing the workload involved in adoption by (oh, wait, you’re increasing the workload required)… Where’s the win in this, exactly? Owen From: Mikael Abrahamsson mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM To: Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> Cc: Brielle mailto:br...@2mbit.com>>; NANOG list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote: > LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you > know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. "In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4." Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every* socket-speaking application in the world? It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to support IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line. You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se<mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se>
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At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+, when they can receive them for free with IPv4+. From: NANOG on behalf of Brielle Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks? Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long. Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen wrote: A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen wrote: > [..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are > causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world > and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it > might be worth to replace them) What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where? Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this. What engineering experience do you have? -- Töma
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I don't have the experience that you have in routing equipment internals. Regarding the performance issue in routers of complex security evaluations - maybe the following alternative will be fine: The "source BGP router" will add the ASN of it (in clear text) to the end of ip packet data field (after two null bytes), the total length and checksum fields in the ip header will be recalculated. Any next BGP router will check the last bits of the ip packet data which are after the last two null bytes for any ip packet - then if that part (from the two null bytes to the end) doesn't contain a null byte in it then these bytes are representing the first ASN, the BGP router will check that it peers with the specific ASN, if not the ip packet will be dropped. If yes - at the end of the ip packet data field a null byte will be added by the BGP router with the ASN (in cleartext) of that second BGP router, then the third BGP router (and so on) will check last ASN in the ip packet data (after the null byte) - if it peers with it - and if yes will replace that ASN with the current BGP router ASN and so on (so the end of the ip packet data field will include: two null bytes, the "source BGP router" ASN, a null byte, and then the ASN of the last BGP router), when the ip packet will reach to the "destination BGP router", the "destination BGP router" will check if the source address is announced through the first ASN (which is at listed at the ip packet data field) within a local table that it will have, and if yes then the part in the ip packet data field after the last two null bytes will be removed and the ip packet will be forwarded to the destination ip address. From: William Herrin Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:59 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM Elad Cohen wrote: > Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.html "At the source BGP router, for any ip packet with a source address that is from the network of the source BGP router (lets call it original ip packet) - the source BGP router will create a new ip packet " How long have you been around Elad? I expect such ideas from a junior network engineer. It's part of the learning process. For example, in this case it's dysfunctional for an intermediate router that may be on one of several equal-cost paths to hold packets awaiting their companions. Even if you found a way to embed the information in the base packet, backbone-level routers simply don't have the capacity to do complex security evaluations (e.g. encryption) on individual packets. The cost of changing that would be phenomenal. Regards, Bill Herrin > > > And SPAM: > > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.html > > > These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) > > > This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain > power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such > an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched > right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a > tower there). > > > Ref: > > [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect > > [2] > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_Effect_01.svg > > > -- > Regards, >Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. > > From: David Hubbard > Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have > even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet > display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with > ‘software updates’ too… > > From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen > > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM > To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" , "nanog@nanog.org" > > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Hello Everyone, > > My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald > Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full > anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. > > What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an > intentional personal attack against me and I will exp
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f the allegations made by RFG and that the original poster thinks you both have things to answer for. No, that response regarding me was due to the lies of Coconut Guilmette like I showed above. And there were many many more lies - everything that Coconut Guilmette wrote about me was without any single proof against me - only from his imagination. Are you comparing the quote of stating that I need to answer to the lies of Coconut Guilmette to the quote which is stating that Ronald is an antisemitic ??? Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t filter and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He definitely lacks polish and a certain level of social skills. Nice way to cover up a person which is a racist and an antisemitic, and was called a racist and an antisemitic not by me but by people which are not related to me. I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot. He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without regard for the collateral damage. Patterns like country-origin ? city-origin ? race-patterns ? This is called racism, you are still trying to cover up a racist and an antisemitic. You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the wrongdoing he’s been pointing out. The only wrongdoing is him not going to a complete health check and you covering up a racist and an antisemitic. Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and for all I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against you are baseless or inaccurate. or Proof-less ??? And now in this sentence you are confirming that he is a racist and antisemitic - so why you wrote all the above? Is it your claim that the following article: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a claim? Here is the latest ordered article from the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" in that site: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip-address-organisation.html And in it you can see that is written: "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report." That is the last article after the mumbo-jumbo that you linked. The site wrote it because they know that as you wrote - everything is entirely baseless - but it doesn't matter to them - all they want is to defame me and to hurt my chances to join the RIPE board, because they know that I will put an end to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" if I will be elected, the defamation towards me is only because I dared to stand up against the illegal anonymouos organization "The Spamhaus Project". Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too? https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/ Just out of curiosity... Is this you, too? https://hawaiianeyetours.com/files/672%20Size%20Images/humpback_whale_breach.jpg From: Owen DeLong Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:07 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal. Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide. I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their website: https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that they would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the National Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance. Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”. Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus has significantly more credibility than you do. They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project”. Tha
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"forgive and forget." Thank you for your vote. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:45 AM To: Shane Ronan Cc: Elad Cohen ; NANOG Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:01 PM Shane Ronan wrote: >> On Wed, May 13, 2020, 3:48 PM Elad Cohen wrote: >>> From: Töma Gavrichenkov >>> No, Elad. It is *you* who needs to prove that your concept works. >> >> For you nothing will work. > > How do you expect to get elected when you are attacking > the very people who will be voting in the election? Thank you, but, well, I don't treat this as a real insult after all. I've got some prior experience, and I've learned how to forgive and forget. 10 years ago I was pursuing my PhD degree, and I've been teaching bachelor wannabees on how to write Haskell code at the time. I must say I've heard worse things from first year students about me then :-) -- Töma
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You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen wrote: > A degree in economics is not needed [..] Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. I think, dixi. -- Töma
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Bjørn, aren't you the person that enjoyed with a popcorn in the first "The Ronald Show" when Ronald Guilmette spread proof-less lies with antisemitism phrases ? Yes! that's you: -- Sure. But there is still some popcorn left ;-) Bjørn -- You need to receive something much worst than a plonk. From: NANOG on behalf of Bjørn Mork Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Don't email clients have a kill file? At the risk of starting an off topic discussion here, but am I the only one who'd like to see more plonks and less troll feeding? I miss Usenet. Bjørn
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"damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom" - You are really good. From: Terrence Koeman Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:55 PM To: Elad Cohen; Owen DeLong Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the aggregate costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago. Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring. If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% interest, then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively. But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices. If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. And getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to do so is going to be a tall order. [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38 -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________ From: Elad Cohen Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12 To: Owen DeLong Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Me: "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." Toma: > A degree in economics is not needed [..] "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." You: "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. From: Owen DeLong Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov ; Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. Just a thought. Owen On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen wrote: You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen wrote: > A degree in economics is not needed [..] Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. I think, dixi. -- Töma
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The public will decide. From: NANOG on behalf of Baldur Norddahl Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:25 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election That statement makes no sense. Everyone also get free IPv6 and almost everyone have equipment that can do IPv6. All anyone has to do is configure his free IPv6. tor. 14. maj 2020 01.56 skrev Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>>: At the moment this is exactly what happen, but companies are buying IPv4+, when they can receive them for free with IPv4+. From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on behalf of Brielle mailto:br...@2mbit.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:40 AM To: NANOG list mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election What makes you think that companies are going to spend money and time on your “solution” when they’re having to be dragged kicking and screaming to fully enable IPv6 to every endpoint on their networks? Most places already OWN IPv6 capable routers/equipment, they’re just either being lazy in setting it up (“no reason to” excuse) or there’s not enough customer demand for them to take the time. You don’t seem to have a firm grasp on WHY IPv6 adoption is taking so long. Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent. From: Töma Gavrichenkov mailto:xima...@gmail.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:09 AM To: Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> Cc: Shane Ronan mailto:sh...@ronan-online.com>>; North American Network Operators' Group mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:04 AM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: > [..] for example if spoofed DDoS amplification attacks are > causing yearly damages of $100M per year in the world > and these EOL equipment cost $50M in the world, it > might be worth to replace them) What's your degree in economics? Is it an MBA, and if yes, then where? Quite frankly, when it comes to your biography published on the candidates page, we honestly don't even know if you're even succeeded in primary school. There's nothing telling about this. What engineering experience do you have? -- Töma
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Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition. That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example: - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com) Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project": "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange
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Me: "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." Toma: > A degree in economics is not needed [..] "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." You: "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. From: Owen DeLong Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov ; Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. Just a thought. Owen On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen wrote: You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. From: Töma Gavrichenkov Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Shane Ronan ; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen wrote: > A degree in economics is not needed [..] Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. I think, dixi. -- Töma
Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues
That's it, the defamation gone too far, I'm not going to wait until I will win the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, I'm going to start legal proceedings against Ronald Guilmette, Jan Vermeulen (and MyBroadband) now. Please forgive me, for not doing it before and letting Ronald Guilmette spam Nanog and other mailing lists with his pores of lies, the illegal anonymous community Ops-Trust definitely know how to keep anyone that they would like busy, besides me being out of hospital in the end of last year and needed months for recovery. Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected by the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community. Now, if any Ops-Trust community member (https://portal.ops-trust.net/) will want to try to had "proofless credibility" to Ronald Guilmette filthy pores of imagination (like "anyone with half brain will believe Ronald Guilmette" or "Cohen is sitting with impunity in Israel") - go ahead, it doesn't change the fact that you will do it without a single proof and that you are a mob of criminals, accepting new Ops-Trust community members only base on vouching and they share illegal private data secretly in their platform, according to Ops-Trust community private presentations: https://www.docdroid.net/xfaKhhY/f41lf3st2015-trident-toothed-and-pronged-pdf https://www.docdroid.net/xqTWVQW/first-2014-vixie-paul-op-sec-trust-pdf And if anyone in Nanog is interested in meaningless things such as: "truth", "facts" and "data": AfriNIC over a period of years, received more than 44 email notifications to their central email address (hostmas...@afrinic.net , due to the "notify:" attribute value and to the "--list-versions" output) regarding to updates that they themsleves made to legacy netblocks that I purchased legally, in what AfriNIC and Ronald Guillmette and Jan Vermeulen are calling "misappropriation". If anyone can explain that to me I will be thankful. One more thing I would like to add, Ronald Guilmette is the lawless one according to old scriptures, Ronald Guilmette match one by one to the description of the lawless one in old scriptures: - Ronald is blond. - Ronald is bald. - Ronald's one eye is bigger than the other. - Ronald's one arm is bigger than the other. - Ronald have leprosy in his forehead. - Ronald's right ear is blocked and the left ear is opened. (it is written in old scriptures: that when a person is coming to him to tell good things about people he gives him the blocked right ear, and when a person is coming to him to tell bad things about people he gives him the opened left ear). Ronald, will you show us a picture and a health report to prove that you are not the lawless one? Let me summarize: you will not do it. Do you know what are the motives of the lawless one? Deception and lies, like our pore-spilling friend, Ronald here. Ronald, and an additional personal note to you, you are a very very misery person, that have nothing and no one in your life, besides your pores, and you are defaming me and writing lies only for the attention, to feel "needed", to receive the "likeness" of people that don't have any courage to write defamation lies by themselves and are just using you, go get help and the sooner the better. From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 6:00 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues South African tech journalist Jan Vermeulen has written a new chapter in this ongoing saga of greed, theft, and skulduggery. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Maikel Uerlings and Elad Cohen registered a bunch of new domain names as part of their overall scheme to steal AFRINIC legacy blocks by fiddling the AFRINIC WHOIS records for the contact persons for each legacy block that they wanted to steal. The domain names themselves were deliberately chosen and tailored to try to minimize suspicion relating to their numerous legacy block thefts. https://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/367188-the-great-african-ip-address-heist-south-african-internet-resources-worth-r558-million-usurped-with-shady-domains.html How exactly these two gentlemen managed to gain the kind of read/write access to the AFRINIC WHOIS data base which allowed them to fiddle so many WHOIS records for so many AFRINIC legacy IPv4 blocks is something that AFRINIC has yet to offer any explanation for, even a full year after these thefts cam
Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues
If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument. Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that you are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due respect. Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with facts and data? Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his own quotes right here in Nanog. "If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, are not the word of god and are not above law and justice. To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC policy is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed RSA (according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction to AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on each and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just delete a legacy netblock). https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html - "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership." Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community pressure" game. I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not based on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. Any network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me but tomorrow it can be you. From: NANOG on behalf of William Herrin Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen wrote: > Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me > directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, > and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in > the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the > information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected by > the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as > William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community. Ugh. I don't suppose I can gracefully decline this honor? > legacy netblocks that I purchased legally, in what AfriNIC and Ronald > Guillmette and Jan Vermeulen are calling "misappropriation". If anyone can > explain that to me I will be thankful. > Ronald Guilmette match one by one to the description of the lawless one in > old scriptures: If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument. You could probably have picked a better venue for it too, one whose participants aren't presently being treated to an exhausting quantity of whack-job conspiracy theories every time they turn on the news. You'll find us predisposed to believe the peddler of a conspiracy theory to be a fool. Regards, Bill Herrin P.S. Ronald, I know you've been spoken to about ad hominem attacks. You could have stopped after the first two paragraphs and the link. Your screed and faux questions about what crooks you thought these folks to be added exactly nothing to the conversation you hoped to start.
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Tom, Until today all I wrote was facts and evidence, in the contrary to Pore-spilling Ronald. When Ronald keeps defaming me here non-stop, Yes my full right is to sue him, even if you prefer that my blood will be shed here by his filthy soul and pores. And you can be sure that I will respond to any of his defamation messages. "No value to the community" - there is value to the community, anyone which is following Pore-spilling Ronald is following the ancient snake, it is not written in Old Testament, it is written in Old Scripture, go ahead and check, Ronald visual appearance match one by one to the lawless one description (lawless one is a term of New Testament) according to Old Scripture. Go swim in Ronald juicy pores if you would like. From: Tom Beecher Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 4:54 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; adm...@nanog.org Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed. It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community. As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here too. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument. Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that you are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due respect. Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with facts and data? Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his own quotes right here in Nanog. "If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, are not the word of god and are not above law and justice. To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC policy is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed RSA (according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction to AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on each and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just delete a legacy netblock). https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html - "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership." Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community pressure" game. I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not based on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. Any network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me but tomorrow it can be you. From: NANOG mailto:netstyle...@nanog.org>> on behalf of William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: > Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me > directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is intentionally spreading lies, > and for the sake of Nanog community I will not reply to him over and over in > the same coin, I was gladly interested in the past to share all the > information (including AfriNIC legal proceedings) with a person respected by > the Nanog community (and I'm still interested to do so today), such as > William Herrin, or to anyone else respected by the Nanog community. Ugh. I don't suppose I can gracefully decline this honor? > legacy netblocks that I purchased legally, in what AfriNIC and Ronald > Guillmette and Jan Vermeulen are calling "misapp
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"Pore-spilling" is the daily care of Ronald to his filthy smelly rotten pores. Ronald, please feel free to explain more. From: Mel Beckman Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 5:17 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: Tom Beecher ; nanog@nanog.org ; adm...@nanog.org Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues I’ve done the simple thing: I’ve blocked all emails with the keyword AFRINIC in them. I’m not willing to let my inbox be swamped with another deluge of “pore spilling” (whatever that is) vitriol. -mel beckman On Nov 16, 2020, at 7:07 AM, Elad Cohen wrote: Tom, Until today all I wrote was facts and evidence, in the contrary to Pore-spilling Ronald. When Ronald keeps defaming me here non-stop, Yes my full right is to sue him, even if you prefer that my blood will be shed here by his filthy soul and pores. And you can be sure that I will respond to any of his defamation messages. "No value to the community" - there is value to the community, anyone which is following Pore-spilling Ronald is following the ancient snake, it is not written in Old Testament, it is written in Old Scripture, go ahead and check, Ronald visual appearance match one by one to the lawless one description (lawless one is a term of New Testament) according to Old Scripture. Go swim in Ronald juicy pores if you would like. From: Tom Beecher Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 4:54 PM To: Elad Cohen Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; adm...@nanog.org Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues I would like to formally request that Mr. Cohen's privileges to post to this list be revoked, or otherwise curtailed. It's one thing to dispute facts with evidence, or generally disagree on a topic. However , threats of legal action and personal attacks citing Old Testament mumbo jumbo, while creative, provide no value to the community. As Mr. Herrin stated well, we are all swimming in enough nutter butter conspiracy theory nonsense every day. I hope we don't normalize it here too. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:24 AM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: If AfriNIC says your "purchases" are misappropriation you'll have to do a lot better than conspiracy theories and phrenology in counter argument. Why are you using the word "purchases" with quotation marks, it seems that you are a victim of your next paragraph, and I'm writing it with all due respect. Did I start legal proceedings with AfriNIC with conspiracy theories or with facts and data? Phrenology (and racism) is the field of Coconut Guilmette, according to his own quotes right here in Nanog. "If AfriNIC says" - AfriNIC, nor Spamhaus, nor Ops-Trust, nor MyBroadband, are not the word of god and are not above law and justice. To remind to everyone: AfriNIC filed a police complaint on themselves. And AfriNIC CEO lied to the community in the following link when he wrote that I was given a chance to respond when in reality all my emails were ignored. And AfriNIC CEO is intentionally hiding from the community that any AfriNIC policy is applied also to any legacy netblock that even don't have a signed RSA (according to the legal proceedings against AfriNIC, and in contradiction to AfriNIC "Legacy Resource Holders" webpage: https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy-resource ), it have implications on each and every legacy resource holder all over the world (that a RIR can just delete a legacy netblock). https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-January/003458.html - "We are also ensuring that the current holder/contact of the resources are provided with the opportunity of proving their ownership." Besides the above, AfriNIC also have a financial motive in their actions, approximately up to more $4M per year from assets that they illegaly and unjustifiably took from me (by sub-allocating them to AfriNIC members), while writing lies to their community and playing a long with the "community pressure" game. I find the actions of AfriNIC to be very dangerous, because they are not based on facts and data and law and justice, but only on community pressure. Any network operator, that can elevate himself/herself from bad habits (like enjoying seeing blood spilled and jealousy), would know that today it is me but tomorrow it can be you. From: NANOG mailto:netstyle...@nanog.org>> on behalf of William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:00 AM Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Subject: Re: AFRINIC IP Block Thefts -- The Saga Continues On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 10:58 PM Elad Cohen mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> wrote: > Anyone that is interested to receive any answer from me, please email me > directly, I will say that Ronald Guilmette is
