On 3/23/22 12:21 PM, james.cut...@consultant.com wrote:
I suggest that it may be more important to deploy solutions to
BufferBloat, to the benefit of both IPv4 and IPv6 since it will
improve the user experience, than to try to extend IPv4 lifetime, an
effort with diminishing returns.
Given
On 3/23/22 1:08 PM, John Levine wrote:
It appears that Michael Thomas said:
anything that ISP can do if they don't supply the ÇPE? What percentage
of providers do supply the CPE in the form of cable and dsl modems, etc,
that they could solve the problem with a swap out?
In the US at
On 3/24/22 1:59 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
Home users aren’t the long tail here. Enterprise is the long tail here. Android
phones are,
indeed, part of the enterprise problem, but not the biggest part.
If this were a purely technical problem, we’d have been done more than a decade
ago.
On 3/24/22 2:13 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
On Mar 24, 2022, at 02:04 , Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG wrote:
Hi all,
From 10k meters: IPv6 is different from IPv4 only by:
- extension headers
- SLAAC instead of DHCP
Everything else is minor.
There’s no such thing as SLAAC instead of DH
On 3/24/22 3:13 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Mar 24, 2022, at 14:46 , Michael Thomas wrote:
On 3/24/22 1:59 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
Home users aren’t the long tail here. Enterprise is the long tail here. Android
phones are,
indeed, part of the enterprise problem, but not the
On 3/24/22 12:53 PM, Tom Beecher wrote:
You don't even have to use their equipment. My provider at home is
Charter / Spectrum. I own my own cable modem / router ,they have no
equipment in my home. Their privacy policy is pretty standard.
Essentially :
- Anything they can see that I transmit
On 3/31/22 9:26 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
On Mar 31, 2022, at 20:51, Masataka Ohta
wrote:
Owen DeLong wrote:
It still suffers from a certain amount of opacity across administrative domains.
So, if an IPv6 prefix is assigned to an apartment building and
the building has no logging
On 4/2/22 3:23 PM, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote:
Hi Dan,
Hope the rest of the world is treating you decently!
There are a lot of bits and bobs that one has to get right for mail to flow,
amongst which:
- IP -> PTR lookup -> that hostname lookup, and match to IP again
(https://en.wiki
On 4/2/22 3:56 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote:
On 3 Apr 2022, at 00:29, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 4/2/22 3:23 PM, Jeroen Massar via NANOG wrote:
Hi Dan,
Hope the rest of the world is treating you decently!
There are a lot of bits and bobs that one has to get right for mail to flow,
amongst
On 4/2/22 4:05 PM, John Curran wrote:
On 2 Apr 2022, at 6:23 PM, Jeroen Massar via NANOG
wrote:
There are a lot of bits and bobs that one has to get right for mail
to flow, amongst which:
- IP -> PTR lookup -> that hostname lookup, and match to IP again
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forwa
On 4/2/22 6:16 PM, John Levine wrote:
It appears that Michael Thomas said:
There are a lot of bits and bobs that one has to get right for mail to flow,
amongst which:
- IP -> PTR lookup -> that hostname lookup, and match to IP again
- SPF
- DKIM
- DMARC
Yup. Gmail has m
On 4/2/22 6:21 PM, John Levine wrote:
It appears that Michael Thomas said:
Google at least adds ARC headers in Gmail, and did the editing of RFC8617.
ARC resolves into a previously unsolved problem: reputation. ...
No, actually it doesn't, as has been repeatedly explained.
ARC add
On 4/2/22 8:01 PM, John Levine wrote:
It appears that Michael Thomas said:
ARC lets the recipient system look back and do what we might call
retroactive filtering, using info about messages as they arrived at
the previous forwarder. While it would be nice if lists did a better
job of spam
On 4/3/22 12:12 PM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
On a slightly related subject... This DKIM failure surprised me, but at
least I verified that many NANOG subscribers have mailservers returning
DMARC failure reports ;-)
Oh wow, you should report that to Murray.
Mike
Bjørn Mork writes:
Authenticati
On 4/4/22 8:00 AM, Tom Beecher wrote:
( Of course, the better solution is really on the service end to have
a better system to associate bad activity to specific users, or other
methods that aren't reliant on reputation services , but that won't
happen unless they start seeing revenue loss
On 4/27/22 2:41 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
I've noticed a few (small number) of robocalls have started spoofing
international phone numbers instead of local phone numbers. I don't
know if this is because telephone gateways are doing a better job at
blocking neighbor caller ID spoofing -- or som
I was about to throw shade on Texas until I remembered "oh, PG&E". Never
mind.
Mike
On 5/13/22 4:09 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
This afternoon, six power generation facilities tripped offline
resulting in the loss of approximately 2,900 MW of electricity. At
this time, all generation resources
On 5/23/22 11:49 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US
household will need more than a gig within 5 years. Why not just jump
it to a gig or more?
Really? What is the average household doing to use up a gig worth of
bandwidth?
Mike
On 5
On 5/23/22 12:04 PM, Thomas Nadeau wrote:
On May 23, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 5/23/22 11:49 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US household will
need more than a gig within 5 years. Why not just jump it to a gig or more
en if they gave
you a nominal rate of 1G it doesn't mean that they won't oversubcribe
the headend and beyond.
Mike
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 3:15 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
On 5/23/22 12:04 PM, Thomas Nadeau wrote:
>
>
>> On May 23, 2022, at 3:0
On 5/23/22 3:26 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Is it?
What’s the bandwidth of a good quality 4K stream? What about 4 of them
+ various additional interactive technologies, software downloads,
media downloads, etc.?
Looking at the graphs, my household (which isn’t average by any
stretch of the ima
On 5/23/22 3:43 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
I think a gig is not an unreasonable target… It’s 100Mbps plus adequate
headroom for the likely oversubscription models and the occasional downloads
that are modern day reality.
Nobody is going to consistently use 1Gbps, but the difference in wire time
On 6/1/22 10:10 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 5/23/22 12:00 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 5/23/22 11:49 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
The Fiber Broadband Association estimates that the average US
household will need more than a gig within 5 years. Why not just
jump it to a gig or more?
Really
On 6/1/22 1:55 PM, Livingood, Jason via NANOG wrote:
Saying most people don't need more than 25 Mbps is like saying 640k is
>> enough for anybody.
The challenge is any definition of capacity (speed) requirements is only a point-in-time
gauge of sufficiency given the mix of apps popular at t
On 6/6/22 6:06 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 5:47 AM Masataka Ohta
wrote:
Dave Taht wrote:
Looking back 10 years, I was saying the same things, only then I felt
it was 25Mbit circa mike belshe's paper. So real bandwidth
requirements only doubling every decade might be a new eq
On 6/6/22 7:56 AM, Casey Russell via NANOG wrote:
For a long time now...
I have had the opinion that we have reached the age of "peak
bandwidth", that nearly nobody's 4 person home needs more than 50Mbit
with good queue management. Certainly increasing upload
speeds dramat
On 6/6/22 10:40 AM, Casey Russell wrote:
Is it? I mean, as an industry, we already recognize that the average
user downloads approx. 5 times more than they upload. In fact, we use
it to bash users who want a synchronous speed... tell them that's
unreasonable.
I get your point, that if you
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:26 PM Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Michael Thomas said:
> I meant downloads as in gigantic games. If you give them more
> bandwidth it just encourages the game makes to build bigger game
> downloads.
I don't buy that - users
On 6/6/22 12:00 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
is gatekeeping what users MIGHT do, and/or deciding based on corner
cases helpful to this discussion?
(this isn't meant as a note directly to dorn, just a convenient place
to interject)
Aside from planning based on a formula like Jason Livingood'
On 6/6/22 3:36 PM, Tony Wicks wrote:
>This whole thread is about hypothetical futures, so it's not hard to
imagine downloads filling to available capacity.
>Mike
So, a good example of how this capacity is used, In New Zealand we
have a pretty broad fibre network covering most of the popula
On 6/6/22 4:08 PM, Tony Wicks wrote:
* Do you have any stats on what the average usage was before and
after the build out? I'd expect it to go up just because but was
it dramatic?
Well, Back in the FTTC days of ADSL/VDSL (very little cable) as an ISP
I seem to remember the average h
On 6/6/22 4:27 PM, Jim Troutman wrote:
Some usage data:
On a rural FTTX XGS-PON network with primarily 1Gig symmetric
customers, I see about 1.5mbit/customer average inbound across 7 days,
peaks at about 10mbit/customer, with 1 minute polling. Zero
congestion in middle mile, transit or pee
On 6/9/22 1:26 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
With 430 GB versus 32 GV average down versus up usage today, according
to your article, this is still not a case for symmetrical consumer
bandwidth. Yes, the upstream usage increased slightly more than the
downstream usage. But the ratio was still so big
On 6/9/22 4:31 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
Adam,
Your point on asymmetrical technologies is excellent. But you may not be aware
that residential optical fiber is also asymmetrical. For example, GPON, the
latest ITU specified PON standard, and the most widely deployed, calls for a
2.4 Gbps downst
ntelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
*From: *"Michael Thomas"
*To: *nanog@nanog.org
*Sent: *Thursday, June 9, 2022 3:46:24 PM
*Subject: *Re: Upstream bandwidth usage
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/tech/spacex-dish-fcc-spectrum-scn/index.html
Mike
On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined over
the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance was never well
understood in the public eye, nor by mass publications like CNN. This is a battle for
1
On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas wrote:
On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined over
the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This
Basically the jist that it's fake auto warranty fraud calls. Or is this
just requiring providers to do the forensics whichever way to enforce this?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/21/tech/fcc-robocall-crackdown/index.html
Mike
On 7/22/22 4:00 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2022, Michael Thomas wrote:
Basically the jist that it's fake auto warranty fraud calls. Or is
this just requiring providers to do the forensics whichever way to
enforce this?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/21/tech/fcc-robocall-crac
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4409/text?r=9&s=1
the body of the proposed law:
"(a) Conduct prohibited.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—It shall be unlawful for an operator of an email service
to use a filtering algorithm to apply a label to an email sent to an
email account from
On 7/29/22 2:57 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote:
On Jul 29, 2022, at 3:37 PM, John Levine wrote:
It appears that Michael Thomas said:
-=-=-=-=-=-
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4409/text?r=9&s=1
the body of the proposed law:
This bill was filed by a bunch of
They haven't been serving up images for like an hour or so and now it's
showing their fail whale. Not sure if it's a (internal) network problem
or not.
I'm in California fwiw.
Mike
And of course the act of sending this mail caused the wave function to
collapse and it seems to be up again, at least for me.
Mike
On 8/11/22 1:37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
They haven't been serving up images for like an hour or so and now
it's showing their fail whale. Not sure
On 8/11/22 2:12 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:
According to Heisenberg, it’s up :)
It's still having problems serving up images. Thankfully their ad images
are not affected :/
Mike
-mel via cell
On Aug 11, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
And of course the act of sending this
I can see in the browser debug spew that it's getting 503's on fbcdn.net.
Mike
On 8/11/22 2:36 PM, Joe Loiacono wrote:
Well, makes sense. According to Schrodinger it's both up and down.
On 8/11/2022 5:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 8/11/22 2:12 PM, Mel Beckman wrote
On 8/27/22 12:00 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
Hopefully, my pain will help someone else.
I've had sporadic Internet slowdowns and stuck networking since IPv6
was enabled on my FIOS ONT a few months ago.
After too much troubleshooting, I found out some older Intel GbE
ethernet cards have a IPv6
retransmissions.
Yeah, sorry brain fart. I'd be surprised if that were a big issue on
home networks, but who knows.
Mike
-mel via cell
On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:08 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 8/27/22 12:00 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
Hopefully, my pain will help someone else.
I've ha
On 10/3/22 1:34 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
'Fines alone aren't enough:' FCC threatens to blacklist voice
providers for flouting robocall rules
https://www.cyberscoop.com/fcc-robocall-fine-database-removal/
[...]
“This is a new era. If a provider doesn’t meet its obligations under
the law, it n
On 10/3/22 1:54 PM, Jawaid Bazyar wrote:
Because it's illegal for common carriers to block traffic otherwise.
Wait, what? It's illegal to police their own users?
Mike
On 10/3/22, 2:53 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Michael Thomas"
wrote:
On 10/3/22 1:34 PM
.
Mike
On 10/3/22 3:13 PM, Jawaid Bazyar wrote:
We're talking about blocking other carriers.
On 10/3/22, 3:05 PM, "Michael Thomas" wrote:
On 10/3/22 1:54 PM, Jawaid Bazyar wrote:
> Because it's illegal for common carriers to block traffic otherwise.
Wa
tions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
*From: *"Shane Ronan"
*To: *"Michael Thomas"
*Cc: *nanog@nanog.org
*Sent: *Monday, October 3, 2022 9:54:07 PM
*Subject: *Re: FCC chairwom
. And yes
the telephony network is a lot easier than email to police.
Mike
On 10/3/22, 5:05 PM, "Michael Thomas" wrote:
The problem has always been solvable at the ingress provider. The
problem was that there was zero to negative incentive to do that. You
don'
space. Like for one, the FCC exists and
regulates it. That is not true of email.
Mike
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
--------
*From: *"Mic
ike a
very compelling concern.
Mike
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 2:18 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
On 10/4/22 6:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think the point the other Mike was trying to make was that if
everyone policed their customers, this wouldn't be a problem.
Since some don&#
--
*From: *"Shane Ronan"
*To: *"Michael Thomas"
*Cc: *"Mike Hammett" , nanog@nanog.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 4, 2022 1:21:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: FCC chairwoman: Fines alone aren't enough (Robocalls)
Except the cost to do the data dips to determine the aut
e:
On October 3, 2022 at 16:05 m...@mtcc.com (Michael Thomas) wrote:
> The problem has always been solvable at the ingress provider. The
> problem was that there was zero to negative incentive to do that. You
> don't need an elaborate PKI to tell the ingress provider which pre
e routing is not being done
with e.164 addresses like in the legacy PSTN. It's just bellheaded
thinking that e.164 addresses mean anything these days.The only time
they make any difference is if they need to off ramp to legacy signaling
which is becoming rarer and rarer.
Mike
On Tu
ng about the calling provider not the called
provider all along.
Mike
On Oct 4, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 10/4/22 11:21 AM, Shane Ronan wrote:
Except the cost to do the data dips to determine the authorization
isn't "free".
Since every http request in th
e I'm talking all SIP here,
not with PSTN hops. Or is that what you're talking about?
Mike
On Oct 4, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 10/4/22 1:40 PM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:
Except the pstn DB isn’t distributed like DNS is.
Yes, I had forgot about &quo
On 10/4/22 3:08 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
I'm talking about PSTN hops, which like I previously said still
accounts for a VERY significant amount of calls.
But what percentage of the spam calls? I thought they were mainly coming
from voip/SIP?
Mike
On 10/4/22 5:23 PM, Peter Beckman wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2022, Michael Thomas wrote:
Exactly. And that doesn't require an elaborate PKI. Who is allowed to
use what telephone numbers is an administrative issue for the ingress
provider to police. It's the equivalent to gmail not allo
On 10/7/22 12:45 AM, Brian Turnbow via NANOG wrote:
The federal law in 47 USC 227(e) says:
(1)In general
It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States, or any person
outside the United States if the recipient is within the United States, in
connection with any voice service
His Mythical Man Month is a must read for anybody even remotely adjacent
to coding, and frankly it should be read out of that context too.
RIP Fred and thank you, that was one of the most important books I've
ever read.
Mike
I read in the Economist that the gen of starlink satellites will have
the ability to route messages between each satellite. Would conventional
routing protocols be up to such a challenge? Or would it have to be
custom made for that problem? And since a lot of companies and countries
are getting
On 1/22/23 3:05 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 2:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
I read in the Economist that the gen of starlink satellites will have
the ability to route messages between each satellite. Would
conventional
routing protocols be up to such a
On 1/23/23 3:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
The original and traditional high-cost way of how this is done for
MEO/LEO is exemplified by an o3b terminal, which has two active
motorized tracking antennas. The antenna presently in use for the
satellite that is overhead follows it until it's descendi
This seems like a perfect object lesson on why you should use DKIM and
SPF and make sure the sending domain can set up a p=reject policy for
DMARC.
Mike
On 2/6/23 10:25 AM, Konrad Zemek wrote:
Hi Nanog,
It looks like someone with an axe to grind against our company has decided to
email ever
On 2/7/23 6:09 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
On Mon, Feb 06, 2023 at 12:41:43PM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
This seems like a perfect object lesson on why you should use DKIM and SPF
and make sure the sending domain can set up a p=reject policy for DMARC.
But it's not. DKIM and SPF are m
On 2/7/23 11:33 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
On 2/7/23 11:18, Michael Thomas wrote:
FWIW, lookalike domains can and do happen with http too. Nothing
unique about that to email.
Then the bad guys throw in the occasional Cyrillic, etc. character
that looks like a Roman one and things get even
On 2/12/23 3:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/concerning-e-mail-from-namecheap.1294946/page-2#post-8839257
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/184391/namecheap-hacked
It looks like a third party service they gave their keys to has been
compromised. I got several phi
registrars
are not supposed to make such a rookie mistake.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 3:46 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
On 2/12/23 3:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
https://www.namepros.com/threads/concerning-e-mail-from-namecheap.1294946/page-2#post-8839257
>
>
wrote:
Namecheap has updated their status page item to include
"We have stopped all the emails (that includes Auth codes delivery,
Trusted Devices’ verification, and Password Reset emails, etc.)"
Yikes.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2023, 3:54 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
I think that it might be appr
And maybe try to monetize it? I'm pretty sure that they can be compelled
to do that, but do they do it for their own reasons too? Or is this way
too much overhead to be doing en mass? (I vaguely recall that netflow,
for example, can make routers unhappy if there is too much "flow").
Obvious
On 5/15/23 9:46 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 6:42 PM Dave Phelps wrote:
I think it's safe to assume they are selling such data.
https://www.techdirt.com/2021/08/25/isps-give-netflow-data-to-third-parties-who-sell-it-without-user-awareness-consent/
https:/
On 5/16/23 7:35 AM, Livingood, Jason via NANOG wrote:
+1 to what Josh writes below. I would also differentiate between
mobile networks (service provisioned to individual devices & often
carrier s/w on the device) and wireline networks (home devices behind
a router/gateway/NAT).
I just don'
On 5/16/23 7:55 AM, Saku Ytti wrote:
Of course there are other monetisation opportunities via other
mechanism than data-in-the-wire, like DNS
And with DoH, that doesn't sound like a very long term opportunity.
Mike
On 5/19/23 6:09 AM, Justin Streiner wrote:
Hank:
No doubt there is a massive amount of information that can be gathered
from in-box telemetry. This thread appears to be more focused on
providers gathering data from traffic in flight across their
infrastructure.
Yeah, my curiosity was whet
Apparently the RIAA is back suing ISP's (Cox in this case) for users
pirating music. It was pretty bogus back then, but with the uptake of
TLS for almost everything and DoH to conceal DNS requests what exactly
is an ISP supposed to do these days? Throw in a VPN and the pirates
completely cut
On 6/3/23 4:01 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:51 PM Mel Beckman wrote:
It’s like blaming water companies for people stealing boats :)
It's been a while and the article is light on the facts of the case,
but IIRC what happened was: RIAA made some DMCA complaints to Cox. Co
On 6/3/23 4:24 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 4:09 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
How can the RIAA even know? I mean, are they putting up honey pots or
something?
IIRC, they went after folks sharing the files via bit torrent rather
than folks who only downloaded them.
Oh yeah
On 6/15/23 3:19 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
While a lot of ISPs gave up on data caps, the language is still
lurking in many Terms Of Service.
https://www.fcc.gov/document/chair-rosenworcel-proposes-investigate-impact-data-caps
proposed Notice of Inquiry to learn more about how broadband p
On 6/15/23 10:41 PM, Crist Clark wrote:
Comcast still has data caps. My service is 1.2 TB per month. If we get
close, we get a warning email. If we were to go over (hasn’t happened
yet), we get billed per additional 500 MB.
However, I just looked at my account usage for the first time for a
On 6/16/23 1:09 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 6/16/23 21:19, Josh Luthman wrote:
Mark,
In my world I constantly see people with 0 fixed internet options.
Many of these locations do not even have mobile coverage.
Competition is fine in town, but for millions of people in the US
(and I'm goin
On 6/16/23 1:22 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 6/16/23 22:16, Michael Thomas wrote:
Won't Starlink and other LEO configurations be that backstop sooner
rather than later? I don't know if they have caps as well, but even
if they do they could compete with their caps.
Maybe. I real
are numbering them though. Are the they using the
same scheme that the mobile providers are using with ipv6? hmm.
Mike
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 4:22 PM Mark Tinka wrote:
On 6/16/23 22:16, Michael Thomas wrote:
> Won't Starlink and other LEO configurations be that backstop sooner
On 6/16/23 3:18 PM, Keith Stokes wrote:
Cox also has a 1.2 TB cap.
If I can believe my graphs, the metered Cox connection (video
streaming primarily for wife) is about 90 GB the month of April and
the unmetered ATT fiber WFH for me is about 370 GB. Total LAN is about
450 GB. Napkin math but
in their cpe
that makes them much more expensive than, say, satellite tv dishes? I
can see marginally more because of the LEO aspect, but isn't that mainly
just software? It wouldn't surprise me that the main cost is the truck
roll.
Mike
On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 4:17 PM Michael T
oo bird but say what you
will he does have big ambitions.
Ambition is good. But reality tends to win the day. As does math.
On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 4:38 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
On 6/17/23 1:25 PM, Tom Beecher wrote:
Won't Starlink and other LEO configurations be t
On 6/17/23 4:14 PM, Tom Beecher wrote:
Also: they plan to use Starship when it's available which has 10x
more capacity. If it really is fully reusable as advertised, that
is going to really drive down the launch cost.
Starship is years away from being flight ready. The most recent
On 6/23/23 4:01 PM, Delong.com via NANOG wrote:
The electric grid complaints are about the demand on the grid making
the entire region less stable and proposed construction of new
high-voltage tower corridors for data centers.
Yeah, I can kind of understand those, but as long as the grid is p
On 6/24/23 5:28 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
On Jun 23, 2023, at 18:04, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 6/23/23 4:01 PM, Delong.com via NANOG wrote:
The electric grid complaints are about the demand on the grid making the entire
region less stable and proposed construction of new high-voltage tower
On 6/26/23 6:06 PM, Ron Yokubaitis wrote:
Dalles: government subsidized Hydroelectric Power, that’s why.
Well that maybe, but electric rates are hella cheap in Oregon regardless.
Mike
Sent from the iPad of Ron Yokubaitis
On Jun 26, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 6/24
On 7/1/23 9:46 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
Copper wire thefts of all kinds appear to be increasing in 2023. Not
just telecommunications copper cables, but also electric and transit
cables.
San Joaquin County reported a 139% increase in copper wire thefts over
four months, and one theft in the
On 8/17/23 11:26 AM, scott via NANOG wrote:
I don't want to overwhelm the list, but since there's interest here's
something interesting I just now got from the electric company. 400
poles and 300 transformers. Wow!
Those of us from California and the west have watched this in abject
ho
Doesn't this bump up against common carrier protections? I sure don't
want my utilities weaponizing their monopoly status to the whims of any
random narcissist billionaire.
Mike
On 9/14/23 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* likely plenty of similar examples by less polarizing people.
Then lets hear them? It certainly seems like an operational issue if
this starts to become common. How is it dealt with if at all beyond
diversity which is hard to come by with LEO sy
On 9/14/23 6:34 AM, Dave Taht wrote:
This is one of those threads where I do think folk would benefit from
hearing from the horses' mouths. In a recent bio of musk published
this past week, the author claimed that starlink withdrew service over
crimea based on the knowledge it was going to be
On 9/21/23 3:31 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 6:28 AM Tom Beecher wrote:
My understanding has always been that 30ms was set based on human
perceptibility. 30ms was the average point at which the average person could
start to detect artifacts in the audio.
Hi Tom,
Jitte
On 9/22/23 9:42 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
On 9/21/23 17:04, Michael Thomas wrote:
When I wrote my first implementation of telnet ages ago, i was both
amused and annoyed about the go-ahead option. Obviously patterned
after audio meat-space protocols, but I was never convinced it wasn'
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