from:"Alexandre Petrescu"


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Sujet : Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks
Date :  Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:20:56 +0100
De :Alexandre Petrescu 
Pour :  nanog@nanog.org




LF/HF

Le 21/03/2020 à 12:28, Florian Weimer a écrit :

* Mike Hammett:

[...]
Relaxing copyright and patent restrictions might also help, at least
in the medium term.


I agree.

Related to copyright and patent restrictions, is this:

Currently the situation is that I cant get to see the ARN (acid rybo  
nucleic) sequence of this virus; the data is present on gisaid.org, 
situated in Germany, at MAx Planck Institute, but my request to see it 
did not succeed - silence.


FRiends tell me that silence is normal because I am not a specialist, 
and those who are specialist do have access.


I disagree.  I want to know what it looks like.  This virus with a crown 
might hurt me as much as it might hurt the specialists, there is no 
difference, we are all Sapiens.


I want to know what it looks like.

The only thing I could find is during a TV news report, see below.

That sequence of A, T, G, C, and their particular ordering, is what 
makes it bad bad.  That's the enemy.


Alex, LF/HF 2 (it means low stress)

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Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce


Le 21/03/2020 à 08:37, Bill Woodcock a écrit :

In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me.  I do not have
gloves.  I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.

Yep, couldn't believe it when my mate in Lyon told me the same thing
this week.
But I suppose this was to be expected, and is an idea that could
potentially spread, worldwide.

I’ve been in Paris all week, and have gone out, on average, once a day.  I 
pre-printed a stack of already-filled-out forms at the beginning of the week, 
so I’ve just checked the appropriate box each time I’ve gone out, no big deal.  
Seems quite reasonable to me.  Gets people to at least give some conscious 
thought as to whether their reason for going out actually meets one of the 
listed criteria.  And I haven’t actually been stopped any of the times I’ve 
gone out.

It’s early days yet, but Paris is handling this way, way better than I’d have 
expected.



YEs, it's early days.  For the next days, we need forecast, like in 
weather forecast.  There is no public forecast of this pandemy.


But there is data.  Data is more than just numbers of cases in various 
web sites.  There is also correlation of cases and the dates and levels 
of declaration of confinement.  The levels of confinement that arrive 
are relatively similar but with different names: close borders, close 
restaurants, close schools, close City level 1, close City level 2, 
close City level max.  Each of these levels has a date, but the precise 
date is not centralized somewhere, and worse - not public.  One has to 
watch thousands of public announcements to understand them.  Or to ask 
those who one knows in that particular country, based on confidence.


This is my forecast based on yesterday's public statements on TV from 
Authority and other public data sources including China and Italy, by 
revese engineering and local data to understand French:


   The peak of the wave (biggest number of new cases a day) in France
   will arrive at earliest somewhere between MArch 26th and MArch
   29th.  The length of the peak is about 10 to 22 days.  At earliest
   we start going down the wave starting April 5th, and at latest we
   start going down that wave on April 22nd.  This going down might be
   a rough descent (Codogno city in Italy had 0 cases after 2 weeks
   total confinement), or much slower (China Wuhan 0 cases yesterday,
   but China total increase New Cases still). That is the horizon.

That might change for the better or for worse with (1) 'mutations' (a 
word I dont understand),  with (2) the hopeful medication (Chloroquine 
of enterprise Sanofi, France; and Favipiravir, China Authority; and 
other molecules invoked by Doctors) and (3) capacity of people to 
understand restrictions to stay home, understand how propagation and 
transmission works and (4) capacity of law enforcement to enforce 
restrictions.


To evaluate how a group of people understands what's happening, there 
are simple questions: is covid-19 a virus or an illness?  is this an 
epidemy or a pandemy?  One can compare that with how we went through 
understanding of AIDS, HIV (SIDA, VIH in French) and the relevant 
protections (condoms initially, tri-therapy these days if I understand 
it correctly).  One can compare that to how we understand SARS (SRAS in 
France), H1N1, H5N1 terms.


If we communicate these terms meaningfully then we understand one 
another meaningfully.


There is no reason to compare this covid situation to 9/11 - this is 
more like a wave, that was more like shock and then go down slowly.


It comes, slowly, but it comes.

Alex, LF/HF 2


And a giant thumbs up to Free, who are keeping my 10G broadband flying along at 
an actual, measurable, 10G.



YEs, lucky you.  Me I am on Free's ADSL 5mbit/s, I cant dare to upload 
all significant data to youtube, I refrain for later to do that.  It 
saves me energy :-)


LEt me add this to relate to Guidance in the topic of the email. There 
is a "handbook-covid19-prevention-treatment-China" in pdf format that 
someone sent me.  68 pages, 34mbyte.  I did not read it.  I received 
also other guides in pdf format dedicated to hospital person (the one 
that takes care of the ill person), but they are in other languages than 
French and English.  I think they might all be on the Internet, and I 
hope people can access them freely, without intermediaries, and that 
they take time when appropriate.


Alex



 -Bill

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks


Le 21/03/2020 à 03:42, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 20/Mar/20 19:38, Rich Kulawiec wrote:


+100.

In all the decades that I've been here (on the 'nets), the saddest change
I've seen is the lack of responsibility on the part of people who have,
by virtue of their positions, been given incredible power.  This is the
time for those people to step up and (try to) do the right thing.

None of us know what's going to be needed.  How could we?  We could guess,
and we *are* guessing, but we don't really know because we're sailing
off the edge of the map now.

In those circumstances, the virtue of frugality -- a sensible thing
at any time -- now becomes a necessity.  Every single one of us should
be doing whatever we can to prepare for the unknown, and conserving
resources is one part of that.

"Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist.
Everything we do after will seem inadequate."
--- Michael Leavitt, former HHS Secretary

As I write this, doctors and nurses are working without PPE, risking
their own wellbeing to try to save patients.  We're not being asked
to do anything like that.  Hopefully we still have enough left to rise
to the comparatively minor challenge in front of us.

All I'm saying is at the moment, there is no empirical information to
suggest that Netflix will break what's left of the Internet. Nor is
there any empirical information suggesting that singling them out will
help keep it going.



I tend to agree - I dont think there is any capacity problem in the core 
network or server platforms, including netflix.  I do not see it for my 
part as of now.  I am an end user, not a Network sysadmin.


I heard about EU measures to attenuate such a problem tha tmight arrive 
- I think it is mis-informed.


I also heard EC (European COmmission) looking to push all efforts in 
robotics, how could robotics help this, several ideas like drones, or 
the open source respiratory device, or why not sending a robot do 
shopping for me.  I think these look far fetched but are promissing.


Alex, LF/HF 2 (means low stress)




If we go down this path, who's to say which service provider will or
won't be "targeted" next at the whim of some command & control policy
maker? Is it a rabbit hole whose top-soil we want to uncover?
  
If/when the network starts to take a hit, network operators will

respond. But if there is any operator on this list who is willing to
raise their hands and say, "Netflix is breaking my network",
uncongested, free-flowing beer on me when we all come out from the bunkers.

Mark.

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce




LF/HF

Le 21/03/2020 à 03:24, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 20/Mar/20 15:53, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:


In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
sortie one different paper.  The receiver of it (police) takes it in
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me.  I do not have
gloves.  I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.


Yep, couldn't believe it when my mate in Lyon told me the same thing
this week.

But I suppose this was to be expected, and is an idea that could
potentially spread, worldwide.



Today first time I see in FRance TV news one interviewer puts one 
time-use covers over the microphones when interviewing people. (it's a 
one time cover in addition to the typical windshield which is expensive 
and cant be changed each time).  Only today.  Many days lost, many 
viruses spread.


Still on tables on all TV channels I watch they dont have covers on 
microphones.


Alex



Mark.

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


Rob,

It is all fine.

I did not want to say anything to enter part of a bunch of critique, sorry.

I value the pointer to document.

Being on VPN means to some times get useful info that others dont have, 
and other times it means to be denied useful info that others have.  But 
VPN is mandatory policy in some places.  It has nothing to do with Nanog 
policy, if there is one.  There might be a need to link together the VPN 
world with the non-VPN world.


Nanog is a great place where people keep the Internet running by 
collaboration, including AS numbers.


Yours,

Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 22:47, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 21:20, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


1. I did not understand why you call it "_Google_ and... Handbook"


For goodness sake I posted here looking for an AS15169 contact for a 
useful project that needs some of their help.


What I seem to be getting is a bunch of critique from folks who 
don't understand the difference between the Internet and a corporate 
VPN which is MITMing their SSL traffic about the merits of the 
technology choices the project made and the country it originates in 
(in case you haven't noticed all of our governments are all screwing 
this up).


Nanog has gone to the dogs, it wasn't like this after 9/11!

Thanks folks.

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


1. I did not understand why you call it "_Google_ and... Handbook"

Is Google part of this? I dont see it in the pages.

2. Now I realize it works ok to browse 
https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/home


but only if I am not on mandatory organisation VPN (my employer).

3. That handbook shows sole facebook group to subscribe to, a twitter, a 
chat opportunity.


There is also a "Isolation Toolkit Tips for staying at home, doing 
physical distancing correctly, and managing your mental health." among 
others.


There are directories of volunteering groups, which I think it is a 
great idea.


The presentation reminds of Altavista and Yahoo directories when I 
imagined I could browse all the Internet through it.  It's strange 
Google does the same now, instead of searching :-)


Also, about the presentation, they use a particular logo, round shape, 
three black circles like they were 'claws' on yellow background.  I 
think that's hazardous logo for chemistry material: when I see that 
typically I stay away from such logos, it spells danger. I dont knnow 
why they put that there.


Finally, if this handbook is something that comes from UK (because they 
say "If you are not a specialist: www.gov.uk/coronavirus (or your 
regional equivalent)") then my advice is the following: UK recently went 
through a denial period; during that denial period they made wrong 
advices (remember: travel from US to UK only, not to EU); I hope they 
changed their advice and very fast.  Otherwise, UK is not trustful for 
me at this time.  No offence to anyone from UK (I have trustful friends 
in UK), and with all due respect.


Yours,

Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 22:06, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :


After trying to access it, I hit my company http gateway (I am on a 
VPN for my default route, company policy) who blocks it.


I will get off the VPN to try to access the Coronavirus Tech Handbook 
on the Internet.


Alex, LF/HF 2
Le 20/03/2020 à 22:04, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :


Thank you very much for the confirmation.

I will now access the http about the handbook and accept the 
exception in my browser.


There is no offence and I thank you for your understanding.

Yours,

Alex, LF/HF 2
Le 20/03/2020 à 21:40, Eric Tykwinski a écrit :

Alex, Rob,

So I advised to run through Qualsys’s SSL Test: 
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=coronavirustechhandbook.com
It’s pretty much fine, I did manually run though LibreSSL 2.6.5 with 
OSX 10.14.6 and it errors out, but that’s usually an edge case.


eric$ openssl s_client -connect coronavirustechhandbook.com:443 
<http://coronavirustechhandbook.com:443> -showcerts -tls1_2 -crlf

CONNECTED(0006)
4526024300:error:14004410:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO:sslv3 
alert handshake 
failure:/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/libressl/libressl-22.260.1/libressl-2.6/ssl/ssl_pkt.c:1205:SSL 
alert number 40
4526024300:error:140040E5:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO:ssl 
handshake 
failure:/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/libressl/libressl-22.260.1/libressl-2.6/ssl/ssl_pkt.c:585:

---
no peer certificate available
---
No client certificate CA names sent
---
SSL handshake has read 7 bytes and written 0 bytes
---
New, (NONE), Cipher is (NONE)
Secure Renegotiation IS NOT supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
SSL-Session:
    Protocol  : TLSv1.2
    Cipher    : 
    Session-ID:
    Session-ID-ctx:
    Master-Key:
    Start Time: 1584736646
    Timeout   : 7200 (sec)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
---

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300

On Mar 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Alexandre Petrescu 
<mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote:


please stop writing me private emails, thank you, with due 
politeness and smiley :-)



Alex, LF/HF 2
Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu 
<mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote:


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the
content, after I click the indicated URL

LF/HF

What root CA list are you using?

I'm not at all involved in their hosting, but it looks like they 
are sitting behind Cloudflare SSL which is trusted by the default 
CA list of the browser vendor on my desktop.


--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

After trying to access it, I hit my company http gateway (I am on a VPN 
for my default route, company policy) who blocks it.


I will get off the VPN to try to access the Coronavirus Tech Handbook on 
the Internet.


Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 22:04, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :


Thank you very much for the confirmation.

I will now access the http about the handbook and accept the exception 
in my browser.


There is no offence and I thank you for your understanding.

Yours,

Alex, LF/HF 2
Le 20/03/2020 à 21:40, Eric Tykwinski a écrit :

Alex, Rob,

So I advised to run through Qualsys’s SSL Test: 
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=coronavirustechhandbook.com
It’s pretty much fine, I did manually run though LibreSSL 2.6.5 with 
OSX 10.14.6 and it errors out, but that’s usually an edge case.


eric$ openssl s_client -connect coronavirustechhandbook.com:443 
<http://coronavirustechhandbook.com:443> -showcerts -tls1_2 -crlf

CONNECTED(0006)
4526024300:error:14004410:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO:sslv3 
alert handshake 
failure:/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/libressl/libressl-22.260.1/libressl-2.6/ssl/ssl_pkt.c:1205:SSL 
alert number 40
4526024300:error:140040E5:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO:ssl 
handshake 
failure:/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/libressl/libressl-22.260.1/libressl-2.6/ssl/ssl_pkt.c:585:

---
no peer certificate available
---
No client certificate CA names sent
---
SSL handshake has read 7 bytes and written 0 bytes
---
New, (NONE), Cipher is (NONE)
Secure Renegotiation IS NOT supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
SSL-Session:
    Protocol  : TLSv1.2
    Cipher    : 
    Session-ID:
    Session-ID-ctx:
    Master-Key:
    Start Time: 1584736646
    Timeout   : 7200 (sec)
    Verify return code: 0 (ok)
---

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300

On Mar 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


please stop writing me private emails, thank you, with due 
politeness and smiley :-)



Alex, LF/HF 2
Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu 
<mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote:


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the
content, after I click the indicated URL

LF/HF

What root CA list are you using?

I'm not at all involved in their hosting, but it looks like they 
are sitting behind Cloudflare SSL which is trusted by the default 
CA list of the browser vendor on my desktop.


--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


Thank you very much for the confirmation.

I will now access the http about the handbook and accept the exception 
in my browser.


There is no offence and I thank you for your understanding.

Yours,

Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 21:40, Eric Tykwinski a écrit :

Alex, Rob,

So I advised to run through Qualsys’s SSL Test: 
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=coronavirustechhandbook.com
It’s pretty much fine, I did manually run though LibreSSL 2.6.5 with 
OSX 10.14.6 and it errors out, but that’s usually an edge case.


eric$ openssl s_client -connect coronavirustechhandbook.com:443 
<http://coronavirustechhandbook.com:443> -showcerts -tls1_2 -crlf

CONNECTED(0006)
4526024300:error:14004410:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO:sslv3 
alert handshake 
failure:/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/libressl/libressl-22.260.1/libressl-2.6/ssl/ssl_pkt.c:1205:SSL 
alert number 40
4526024300:error:140040E5:SSL routines:CONNECT_CR_SRVR_HELLO:ssl 
handshake 
failure:/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/libressl/libressl-22.260.1/libressl-2.6/ssl/ssl_pkt.c:585:

---
no peer certificate available
---
No client certificate CA names sent
---
SSL handshake has read 7 bytes and written 0 bytes
---
New, (NONE), Cipher is (NONE)
Secure Renegotiation IS NOT supported
Compression: NONE
Expansion: NONE
No ALPN negotiated
SSL-Session:
  Protocol  : TLSv1.2
  Cipher    : 
  Session-ID:
  Session-ID-ctx:
  Master-Key:
  Start Time: 1584736646
  Timeout   : 7200 (sec)
  Verify return code: 0 (ok)
---

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300

On Mar 20, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


please stop writing me private emails, thank you, with due politeness 
and smiley :-)



Alex, LF/HF 2
Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the
content, after I click the indicated URL

LF/HF

What root CA list are you using?

I'm not at all involved in their hosting, but it looks like they are 
sitting behind Cloudflare SSL which is trusted by the default CA 
list of the browser vendor on my desktop.


--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook

please stop writing me private emails, thank you, with due politeness 
and smiley :-)



Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the
content, after I click the indicated URL

LF/HF

What root CA list are you using?

I'm not at all involved in their hosting, but it looks like they are 
sitting behind Cloudflare SSL which is trusted by the default CA list 
of the browser vendor on my desktop.


--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


Rob,

You told me in private a few moments ago that if I cant help with fixin 
an AS-number issue critical to you, then I should drop from this thread.


I think I will drop out from this email list altogether.  I wait a bit.

Alex LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the
content, after I click the indicated URL

LF/HF

What root CA list are you using?

I'm not at all involved in their hosting, but it looks like they are 
sitting behind Cloudflare SSL which is trusted by the default CA list 
of the browser vendor on my desktop.


--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


What is your browser vendor on your desktop?

Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the
content, after I click the indicated URL

LF/HF

What root CA list are you using?

I'm not at all involved in their hosting, but it looks like they are 
sitting behind Cloudflare SSL which is trusted by the default CA list 
of the browser vendor on my desktop.


--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


You are asking what root CA list I am using?

I answer: I use firefox browser on Windows 10 latest version.  I dont 
know what root CA I use.  I have several root CAs in my browser's 
option.  Most of them came by default in firefow at install time.  A few 
I had to install  manually many months ago, because I had a one-to-one 
trust developped with a few people and their CAs.


About cloudflare I think the followiing: I have seen it used at IETF 
servers.  It takes a few seconds to check, which is fine. But I dont 
understand why its getting in the way.  They should stop getting in 
people's way to browse for information.


Now, I do not understand why my browser, that I consider clean, makes me 
questions about security, certificates, and so on.  It might be that the 
right CA is not inserted in my CA list, I dont know, I have not looked 
in the firefox options today.  But it is strange I could browse IETF ok 
with cloudflare, no question from the browser, but now there are 
questions in the browser about cloudflare and the URL you point to.


Yours,

I sign: Alex, LF/HF 2 (it means low stress)

Le 20/03/2020 à 19:40, Rob Pickering a écrit :



On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:11, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the
content, after I click the indicated URL

LF/HF

What root CA list are you using?

I'm not at all involved in their hosting, but it looks like they are 
sitting behind Cloudflare SSL which is trusted by the default CA list 
of the browser vendor on my desktop.


--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


CA==Certificate Authority

the browser makes me questions before allowing me to see the content, 
after I click the indicated URL


LF/HF

Le 20/03/2020 à 19:08, Rob Pickering a écrit :

CA?

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 18:07, Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


can I trust its CA?


Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 18:54, Rob Pickering a écrit :

This: https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/home is a super useful
resource in my opinion.

They are using Google Docs because it provides a really
accessible way of doing content creation but hitting capacity issues.

Are there any Google contacts here who can get them talking to
the right people please?

Message me offlist and I will update here when sorted.

--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>




--
--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org <mailto:r...@pickering.org>

Re: Google and Coronavirus Tech Handbook


can I trust its CA?


Alex, LF/HF 2

Le 20/03/2020 à 18:54, Rob Pickering a écrit :
This: https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/home is a super useful 
resource in my opinion.


They are using Google Docs because it provides a really accessible way 
of doing content creation but hitting capacity issues.


Are there any Google contacts here who can get them talking to the 
right people please?


Message me offlist and I will update here when sorted.

--
Rob Pickering, r...@pickering.org

Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce

LF/HF

Le 20/03/2020 à 13:48, Ryland Kremeier a écrit :

This really depends on particulate size. A mask may only save you from
touching your face. You are much better off just washing your hands
constantly and keeping your distance as much as possible from others.
Remove, wash your clothes, and shower immediately when you get home.
Use hand sanitizers throughout the day and don’t touch your face.

When wearing gloves, you DO NOT change them after you touch something.
The objective is not to keep the gloves clean, but your hands;
excessive changing of gloves will only lead to more particulate
transfer onto your skin.

In France I must show a paper (not smartphone) printed permit, each
sortie one different paper. The receiver of it (police) takes it in
his/her gloved hands then s/he passes it back to me. I do not have
gloves. I wished the receiver did not use the same gloves for each
pereson who passes by and delivers that paper to him.

TRansmission should be analyzed.

Alex

-- Ryland

*From:* NANOG
*On Behalf Of *Heart Rate Var LF/HF==

*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 7:09 AM
*To:* nanog@nanog.org
*Subject:* Re: CISA: Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure
Workforce

I hope they give them masks, and ideally total body coverage, one time
use, like One Time Passwords.

I really hope it.

Lots of key workers here without masks.

I dont know whether you know the joke about going to war without
weapons. We did kid about Russians doing that in WWII, and about
others in WW1.

If you do not have masks, please make mask yourself, do it yourself,
tissue, elastics, its easy; cut a rear pocket from the jeans.
Constalty wear it, but also when distanced from others remove it. One
can see to a longer distance than one can breath the virus spread.
But stay away and dont breath if mask down. It's also good to wear
eye glasses, like 'shades', to avoid virus intake by the eyes.

When one shows face to others its good, somebody can tell have seen
that person.

If you do wear gloves then make sure you change them after each time
you touched something. Changing gloves involves a particular
technique: whhen ungloving avoid touching the external side of glove
with your skin.

Do not put your gloved hands in your elbow angle while waiting
patiently and showing force (some security people wear gloves, then
cough in elbow, and then display force by putting palms in elbow angle
- 'croiser les bras', french).

Alex

Le 20/03/2020 à 07:27, colin johnston a écrit :

UK gov notification of key worker status inc
Telecommunication/Data Centre workers

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

Col

On 19 Mar 2020, at 21:36, Sean Donelan mailto:s...@donelan.com>> wrote:

The U.S. Cyber and Infrastructure Security Agency (part of
the U.S. Department of Homeland Security) has issued new
Guidance on the Essential Critical Infrastructure Workforce.

The memorandum is advisory, not presecriptive. DHS is
only one of several agencies assigned some National
Essential Functions so it is not exhaustive list. It
looks like someone found the three-ring emergency plan
binders. Sad its needed, but appreciative of the experts
which helped write those planning documents over the years.

https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure
-workforce

[...]
The attached list identifies workers who conduct a range
of operations and services that are essential to continued
critical infrastructure viability, including staffing
operations centers, maintaining and repairing critical
infrastructure, operating call centers, working
construction, and performing management functions, among
others. The industries they support represent, but are not
necessarily limited to, medical and healthcare,
telecommunications, information technology systems,
defense, food and agriculture, transportation and
logistics, energy, water and wastewater, law enforcement,
and public works.

We recognize that State, local, tribal, and territorial
governments are ultimately in charge of implementing and
executing response activities in communities under their
jurisdiction, while the Federal Government is in a
supporting role. As State and local communities consider

COVID-19-related restrictions, CISA is offering this list
to assist prioritizing activities related to continuity of
operations and incident response, including the

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

2020-03-19 Thread Alexandre Petrescu


Some VPN issues reported at my organisation as well

Mygroup has some members who cant join, so everyone else goes out, make 
groups on other platforms, which I hope scale.


Le 19/03/2020 à 08:18, Matt Hoppes a écrit :
Our traffic is normally about 1/3 during the day of what it is at 
night (6pm-midnight).


Since Monday the only change I've seen is that traffic goes to about 
1/2 peak around 10am and stays there until about 6pm.


So no capacity concerns


We have been fielding a ridiculous amount of "my VPN doesn't work, 
it's your problem" support calls though =\


I feel for any corporate IT guy right now.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

2020-03-18 Thread Alexandre Petrescu

I saw on TV official requests to police radio to remove masks (Idont 
know why, because they dont have any anyways)


Le 18/03/2020 à 16:29, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 17/Mar/20 20:54, Dan White wrote:

  


Attackers taking advantage of this situation is a serious concern.

In South Africa, we have people claiming to be from the Department of
Health and one other reputable medical care group, going door-to-door
offering Coronavirus testing:


https://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/kwazulu-natal/south-africans-warned-about-door-to-door-coronavirus-test-scam-44958885


Be alert; the scammers are.

Mark.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

Le 17/03/2020 à 19:26, Owen DeLong a écrit :

On Mar 17, 2020, at 02:41 , Alexandre Petrescu
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:

This simply isn’t true…

Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who
specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.

YEs listen to them.

This morning they say: everyone can get it, there is no age or
pre-conditio.

They’ve always said “everyone can get it, there’s no age or
pre-condition”.

The age and pre-existing condition thing comes into play in defining
the probability that you will get a severe case of it. That advice
hasn’t changed.

Owen, we differ.

That advice changed.

I am not an immunologist, not a doctor of medicine, not medical.

I am not an official channel of information.

But that advice changed here: anyone can get it, anyone can get under
respiratory device because of it.

Also,

The good thing I heard today is China agency of press, saying they might
have treatment, some positive sign, not fully positive, just some positive.

Alex

---

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/index.html

If You Are at Higher Risk

alert icon
Who is at higher risk?
Early information out of China, where COVID-19 first started, shows
that some people are at higher risk of getting very sick from this
illness. This includes:

* Older adults
* People who have serious chronic medical conditions like:
o Heart disease
o Diabetes

*
o Lung disease

Alex

That''s it. They dont know, and worse they dont say they dont know.

Actually, they do say they don’t know (about the things they don’t
know). For example:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Ftransmission.html

COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning how it spreads,
the severity of illness it causes, and to what extent it may spread in
the United States.

I am an engineer, I am not medical professional, my question is: is
there a device to detect the virus with the crown in the air and
light up a led?

No… No such device exists for Corona Virus at this time. Such a device
is not easily developed.

(we do have such devices for VOC, for CO2, PM2, PM10 pollution, and
many other things in the air; but about virus with a rcown?)

Detecting a virus in the air is much more complicated than detecting
VOC, CO2, PM2.5 (presumably what you meant by PM2), or PM10.

PM2.5 and PM10 are a simple size test. CO2 is a molecule that is easy
to detect through a simple electrochemical process. VOC are
a class of hydrocarbons that all share certain chemical properties
which are easily detected through a simple electrochemical process.

It should also be noted that such devices even for the chemicals they
can detect require a certain concentration of that chemical.

On the other hand, a single airborne virion can be enough to cause a
widespread epidemic. If that single virion is “lucky” enough to find
a compatible host cell and get the cell to start replicating it, then
you can quickly get lots more copies of that virion which then seek out

additional host cells and additional hosts to make even more, and so on.

Viruses are not. Viruses are very tiny intracellular parasites where
very subtle chemical differences cause massively different effects on
humans.

They consist of an RNA or DNA genome surrounded by a protective
virus-coded protein coat. More information here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8174/

Currently, the best we can do is a test to detect coronavirus
infection in a person after they are infected and symptomatic.

So for now, stay indoors with your family and if you’ve got a sick
sense of humor like I do, play one or more of the Pandemic board games
(if you happen to own them).

Owen

Alex

The information on the CDC and WHO websites remains the primary source
of trustworthy information. It may be
incomplete, but if someone is contradicting something there, they’re
very likely to be wrong.

OTOH, anyone selling “survive COVID” or “cure COVID” etc. is
completely untrustworthy and guaranteed to be lying to
you in order to sell a product. Despicable, but common place.

There’s no authoritative way to get false information off the
internet, so we have to combat it as best we can with good
information and education. Even in my own household, this is a
constant battle as my GF continues to bring home
odd superstitious rumors and embellishments from a variety of
inaccurate sources and I constantly have to correct her
perspective.

For up to date local information, check with the local public health
authority in your jurisdiction. In the US, that will usually
be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual
municipalities also have public health departments.

It's the price we pay for hyper-connect

Re: AT is suspending broadband data caps for home internet customers due to coronavirus




Le 17/03/2020 à 19:17, Dan White a écrit :

Things have been eerily quiet where we are (Oklahoma). We're an eyeball
network and have had no noticeable changes in bandwidth usage that 
couldn't

be explained by statistical noise.

We keep game planning more and more contingency scenarios, waiting to 
jump

when needed, but things have just been unexpectedly normal.

Perhaps we're behind the game in impact. I'd be curious to hear about
networks that are "ahead of us", and what the impact has been.


I am not a sysadmin of a Network, but a few hours in advance.

The bad news: I can ask you how many cases in Oklahoma?

The good news: there is news about medication.

Alex



On 03/15/20 02:30 +, John van Oppen wrote:
We are seeing the peak spread out…   we carry mostly pacific 
northwest residential networks…  we are also seeing new, slightly 
higher evening peaks.


From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Rishi Singh
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:25 AM
To: Jared Mauch 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: AT is suspending broadband data caps for home internet 
customers due to coronavirus


Curious if anyone here (especially at CenturyLink / AT/ Comcast) 
has seen any graphs of network traffic over time and could share 
details (redacted of course due to the sensitivity). Would love to 
hear if/how capacity is constrained with more people working form home.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 4:36 PM Jared Mauch 
mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net>> wrote:
I do worry if the broadband networks have the capacity. WFH traffic 
is usually different from regular consumer traffic. My neighbors were 
telling me about the mandatory work from home they had today and how 
the VPN struggled to work.


To those upgrading those things, keep at it. You will get there.

Sent from my iCar

On Mar 12, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Sean Donelan 
mailto:s...@donelan.com>> wrote:



The first data cap waiver I've seen due to coronavirus.  I expect 
other ISPs to quickly follow.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74qzb/atandt-suspends-broadband-usage-caps-during-coronavirus-crisis 



AT is the first major ISP to confirm that it will be suspending 
all broadband usage caps as millions of Americans bunker down in a 
bid to slow the rate of COVID-19 expansion. Consumer groups and a 
coalition of Senators are now pressuring other ISPs to follow suit.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks




Le 17/03/2020 à 18:43, Keith Medcalf a écrit :

On Tuesday, 17 March, 2020 03:31, Mark Tinka  wrote:


On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:

For up to date local information, check with the local public health
authority in your jurisdiction. In the US, that will usually
be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual
municipalities also have public health departments.

It's the price we pay for hyper-connectedness (not trying to coin a
phrase, hehe).
Everybody (especially the kids) lives on their device 99% of the time.
If you're not on their device, you are not relevant to them.

If by "device" you mean "computer", then you are correct.


When was the last time you bought a newspaper?

Never in 57 years.


I buy newspaper every Saturday and every Tuesday since some time now.  
In addition to local news and The Economist, I include NYTimes 
International edition because thats the only USA thing in my very small 
local news stand in small city.  Different places in the world have 
different options for USA newspapers .


It might be that yesterday (a Tuesday) was the last time I could get 
that.  I hope not.


Alex




How many times do your kids watch the news, either on TV or their device?

Never because I don't have any.  But I don't either.  Babbling idiots don't do 
anything for me.

And before you ask, I get "important news" directly.  If the building next door falls 
over, I notice.  Otherwise I don't think there *IS* such a thing as *important news*, or I can only 
think of a couple of "important news" that have happened in my entire lifetime on one 
hand.  In no case was a babbling idiot or propaganda purveyor of any particular use.


But they are all over WhatsApp, Instagram, Twitter, SnapChat, WeChat, et al.

Never used any of those.  They are just hangouts for yet more babbling idiots.  
Some of them are even named appropriately -- like Twitter -- which as I 
understand it is the place where all the twits congregate.


And even if they have the "News" app on their phone, they probably have never 
opened it.
If they opened it, they didn't find value in it.

Correct.  No value there.  Just more babbling idiots.


On average, the we (and the kids) will give your app two tries; if we
don't like it, you're out - which explains why we all have 3,000 apps on
our phones, but only use 2 or 3 of them most consistently.

I have an e-mail app on my phone that is connected to my (not someone else's) e-mail 
server that handles e-mail, contacts, and calendaring in a distributed fashion that is 
the same on every "device" I own.  If a device will not work with my e-mail 
server, does not function as I need it to function, or is not safe and secure to my 
requirements, I do not buy that device (that means that the list of devices that I refuse 
to buy and will not permit in the same room as me is VERY VERY VERY long).  Most of the 
other rubbish has been banished because it is nothing more than yet more piles of 
babbling idiots.


Whoever wants to get professional and verified information out (to the
kids who live on their devices) needs to find a way to do so in a manner
we find relevant, otherwise we'll simply keep trading mis-information
for whatever reason we feel gives us value.

Send e-mail.  Or provide an e-mail list.  I will not fiddle faddle with going 
to websites chock full of malicious websites nor will I let any Tom Dickhead 
send their malicious crap to me.  By the time the malicious crap infestation is 
filtered out, there is nothing left.

Then again I am an old fart.

Re: DHS letters for fuel and facility access


At my work place there is enough generators, fuel generators.

There is enough time to power things down properly.

The IT infra seems to be working ok, although some remote workers 
complain about a few things about VPN.


There is however worry that the IT infra might not keep up, or that not 
all employees might have access to emails.  To address that, they have 
built a website facing to the Internet with internal announcement info 
to employees. They have also created a registry where the employees 
record their external email addresses so we receive internal 
announcements but on external email addresses, a thing which was more or 
less prohibited in normal times by IT policy.


The internal emergency phone number (two digit phone number only 
available to internals only by landline) has just been shut down.  The 
info circulated announcing it so.  IT is standard procedure in case of 
issues.


My desk voicemail is still active and I can consult it remotely, but not 
sure for how long.  The re-start of desk power typically resets the 
phone and I lose voicemail forever.  I expect that re-start of desk 
power in a few weeks or so, part of standard procedure to re-start power 
routinely.  But I dont expect me to go to my desk any time since now in 
one month to press the button on the phone to set the voicemail active.


Alex

Le 17/03/2020 à 18:21, Hiers, David a écrit :

Good reminder to test, test, test...


-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:08 AM
To: Paul Nash 
Cc: Untitled 3 
Subject: Re: DHS letters for fuel and facility access

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul Nash  wrote:

September 2001.  Just after the 9/11 attacks, all of lower Manhattan was shut 
down.  Out link (IIRC) was to a satellite farm on Staten island, across the bay 
to 60 Hudson.  Power went off, diesels kicked in, fuel trucks was not allowed 
in, and a few days later we lost all international connectivity.

We had some interesting failures during 9/11 as well -- for some reason, the 
UPS didn't kick in, so everything went down - and then came back a few minutes 
later as the generators came online -- and then went down again ~2 hours later 
-- turns out that the genset air filters got clogged with dust, and suffocated 
the diesel.
This was "fixed" a few days later by brushing them off with brooms and 
paintbrushes -- by this point they had completely discharged the 24V starter batteries, 
and so someone (not me!) had to lug a pair of car batteries and jumper cables. They 
restarted, and ran for a while, and then stopped again.

It turns out that getting a permit to store lots of diesel on the roof is hard 
(fair enough), and so there was only a small holding tank on the roof, and the 
primary tanks were in the basement -- and the transfer pump from the basement 
to roof storage was not, as we had been told, on generator power

We had specified that the transfer pump be on the generator feed, there was a schematic 
showing at is being on the generator feed, there was even a breaker with a cable marked  
"Transfer Pump (HP4,5)" --- but it turned out to just be a ~3ft piece of cable 
stuffed into a conduit, and not actually, you know, running all the way down to the 
basement and connected to the transfer pump.

W




Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the 
diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations.

 paul


On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Mark Tinka  wrote:



On 17/Mar/20 17:15, Paul Nash wrote:


That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa.  
Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US.

What year was that :-)?

Mark.


--
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the 
first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret 
at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
---maf

--
This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee 
and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader 
of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of 
the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this 
communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication 
in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message 
and any attachments from your system.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks




Le 17/03/2020 à 13:26, Grzegorz Janoszka a écrit :

On 2020-03-16 15:04, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
There is no other way to do that information filterning now. Nobody 
has any authority of knowing better than others.


There is a good word for information filtering. It is called 
'censorship'.


Times like now are perfect opportunity to limit the remains of our 
freedom.


Please think twice before you complain for lack of information 
filtering. Because the government will surely make you happy.



Excuse me, misunderstood.

If I complain something, it is the following: there is not enough 
information from Authority to people.  In some places, especially where 
I live, there is no precise information about number of cases to 
particular cities, the cases profile, age profile, etc. I suspect it 
might because they are overwhelmed, or because they dont want to scare 
others.  Two differennt things.  I dont know.


If I want something, it is the folowing: all channels of comm must be 
open and info must flow.  There is much noise, but it is easy for end 
user to filter.  MUA filtering is such a case.


We need more information, not less.

We need trust.

The threat analysis is different than before.  We need security, but 
other kinds of security.  Short easy to remember passwords are ok; what 
is not ok is to hold information that is important.  Just let it flow 
and we'll see.  What is not ok it to shut people because apparently they 
distribute two times same thing.  That holding should not happen; there 
is no problem if info is distributed two times.  Channels should be open 
info should flow.


There are not enough open source projects for gene analysis 
(nextstrain.org), not enough open source projects for respiratory 
devices, not enough open source projects for air detection of virus 
devices (if a such thing can exist).  There are not enough tests, not 
enough masks, not enough many things.


There are too many alternatives of 'secure communications': WhatsApp, 
Signal, Telegram.  It is fragmentation.  Too much choice, too few people 
in each group.  They claim one is more secure than the other, but secure 
against whom?  Do you think there might be a human attacker that resists 
virus and who can attack some email account?  If such a thing existed 
then we would know how s/he did to resist to virus in virst place.


There are too many Certificate Authorities that are not trusting each other.

We need trust, and we need to develop our brains as someone seemed to 
say here.


Alex

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

my close in Texas sent me "Texas is Bigger than France" magnet, it's on 
my fridge :-)



Le 17/03/2020 à 00:36, Scott Weeks a écrit :

--- alexandre.petre...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Alexandre Petrescu 
   
That map does not show Texas, as far as I know America

(USA) geography.
---


Being raised in Texas in a family that've been there
for a buncha generations, I know that at least some
folks there would challange that... :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements

It was a nation unto itself for over decade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas



Many old timers are a pretty independent type of people.


scott
ps. traffic is still normal here

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks





On 16/Mar/20 21:08, Owen DeLong wrote:


This simply isn’t true…

Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who
specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.


YEs listen to them.

This morning they say: everyone can get it, there is no age or pre-conditio.

That''s it.  They dont know, and worse they dont say they dont know.

I am an engineer, I am not medical professional, my question is: is 
there a device to detect the virus with the crown in the air and light 
up a led?


(we do have such devices for VOC, for CO2, PM2, PM10 pollution, and many 
other things in the air; but about virus with a rcown?)


Alex



The information on the CDC and WHO websites remains the primary source
of trustworthy information. It may be
incomplete, but if someone is contradicting something there, they’re
very likely to be wrong.

OTOH, anyone selling “survive COVID” or “cure COVID” etc. is
completely untrustworthy and guaranteed to be lying to
you in order to sell a product. Despicable, but common place.

There’s no authoritative way to get false information off the
internet, so we have to combat it as best we can with good
information and education. Even in my own household, this is a
constant battle as my GF continues to bring home
odd superstitious rumors and embellishments from a variety of
inaccurate sources and I constantly have to correct her
perspective.

For up to date local information, check with the local public health
authority in your jurisdiction. In the US, that will usually
be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual
municipalities also have public health departments.

It's the price we pay for hyper-connectedness (not trying to coin a
phrase, hehe).

Everybody (especially the kids) lives on their device 99% of the time.
If you're not on their device, you are not relevant to them.

When was the last time you bought a newspaper? How many times do your
kids watch the news, either on TV or their device? But they are all over
WhatsApp, Instagram, Twitter, SnapChat, WeChat, et al. And even if they
have the "News" app on their phone, they probably have never opened it.
If they opened it, they didn't find value in it.

On average, the we (and the kids) will give your app two tries; if we
don't like it, you're out - which explains why we all have 3,000 apps on
our phones, but only use 2 or 3 of them most consistently.

Whoever wants to get professional and verified information out (to the
kids who live on their devices) needs to find a way to do so in a manner
we find relevant, otherwise we'll simply keep trading mis-information
for whatever reason we feel gives us value.

Mark.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks




Le 16/03/2020 à 22:55, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :


Le 16/03/2020 à 22:19, Owen DeLong a écrit :

[SNIP]


Has worked very well for me  in Santa Clara County so far.



How is Santa Clara County informing their citizens?  Some website or 
some SMS (short text message on cellular)?



My city sent me two paper letters Saturday, but no numbers about 
cases.  I had to go to pharmacy and ask the pharmacist what she 
heard; she heard from somebdoy else about 2 cases in nearby 
village.  That was 3 days ago.


Thats how I get informed.



https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/Pages/phd.aspx

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/home.aspx 




Thanks.  It says clearly number of cases 138 as of March 14th, we 
are16th.  I hope they'll update it soon.



I just looked at it, it increased to 15th, we are now 17th of March

It means they give data since 2 days ago.  Why??

It means one should multiply by 2 or so to know what's happening today.

I hope they keep updating it.

(this is from my experience from watching the China data publicly 
available on China CDC, in particular the ' new cases').  They update it 
daily (not from two days ago).  On that site we see the today's data, 
not the data from two days ago; that data says the evolution is constant 
- flat right now since a few days; it's low but constant, not growing, 
not going down)


(also I would like to know whether people in China after 2 months of 
confinement are now allowed to get out or not?)


Alex



There's no history data.

One cant understand the speed of evolution.  But it could be found by 
comparison.  One could find another equivalent of a County in another 
country where there were 138 cases at point x, and then tell how that 
evolved. For my part, I can only say that we say 'Comté' for County.  
Maybe in other country one can find things.


But its' great for people living in Santa Clara County to at least 
know somehow their numbers.  I really hope they keep updating it and 
dont stop it at some point because impossible to track.


It also seems people have restricted movement there, just as here 
(France).


For my part, I just got an SMS on my 2G phone with a 2 line 
black-and-white screen.  It does display, it works.  It is the first 
time I received such an SMS.  It is in that class of '1st time' we 
talked about earlier :-)


But I consider these things to be bad things, they make me sad.

Alex










At the very least adhere to their orders and recommendations.



YEs I do.  It says this: tomorrow noon all stay  indoors, out only 
for pharmacy, alimentaiton or criticial job. Thats it.



What more do you want? That’s the best advice that exists today.


They also use other words that I will not type here.



lol



ok lol if you wish :-)


Just at the use of  “other words that I will not type here.” from a 
public health agency.


Owen

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks




Le 16/03/2020 à 23:18, Chris Boyd a écrit :



On Mar 16, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Alexandre Petrescu  
wrote:

Please tell me about your city: do you know the numbers in your city?  How did 
you get the info?

Austin’s health department has a web page with the current confirmed infection 
count, as well as a bunch of recommendations for various groups, in multiple 
languages.

http://www.austintexas.gov/COVID19

Almost all the tech companies here have told everyone to work from home.  We’re 
seeing lower utilization on our office connections due to split-horizon VPN 
policies.



Thank you very much.  Ah how far we are from that way of giving info.

Please, when you say 'various groups' - what do you mean more 
precisely?  Is it like age groups, or minority nationality groups, or 
skin color or what?  In France there was talk some time about this being 
mostly for elderly but recentl one hears Doctors/MEdicals saying this is 
any age group.  But we dont see any number.  I think it is forbidden to see.


Or do you mean groups like: COVID-19 group, Pediatric Flu group, Vaping 
group?


When on that page they say Phase 1, 2... 5.  In France we have Stade 1, 
2, 3 and no more.  At some point they hesitated a lot between 2 and 3, 
there was some darkness.  Now it's 3 and that's it.


Thank you,

Alex



—Chris

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks




Le 16/03/2020 à 22:19, Owen DeLong a écrit :

[SNIP]


Has worked very well for me  in Santa Clara County so far.



How is Santa Clara County informing their citizens?  Some website or 
some SMS (short text message on cellular)?



My city sent me two paper letters Saturday, but no numbers about 
cases.  I had to go to pharmacy and ask the pharmacist what she 
heard; she heard from somebdoy else about 2 cases in nearby village.  
That was 3 days ago.


Thats how I get informed.



https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/Pages/phd.aspx

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/home.aspx



Thanks.  It says clearly number of cases 138 as of March 14th, we 
are16th.  I hope they'll update it soon.


There's no history data.

One cant understand the speed of evolution.  But it could be found by 
comparison.  One could find another equivalent of a County in another 
country where there were 138 cases at point x, and then tell how that 
evolved. For my part, I can only say that we say 'Comté' for County.  
Maybe in other country one can find things.


But its' great for people living in Santa Clara County to at least know 
somehow their numbers.  I really hope they keep updating it and dont 
stop it at some point because impossible to track.


It also seems people have restricted movement there, just as here (France).

For my part, I just got an SMS on my 2G phone with a 2 line 
black-and-white screen.  It does display, it works.  It is the first 
time I received such an SMS.  It is in that class of '1st time' we 
talked about earlier :-)


But I consider these things to be bad things, they make me sad.

Alex










At the very least adhere to their orders and recommendations.



YEs I do.  It says this: tomorrow noon all stay  indoors, out only 
for pharmacy, alimentaiton or criticial job.  Thats it.



What more do you want? That’s the best advice that exists today.


They also use other words that I will not type here.



lol



ok lol if you wish :-)


Just at the use of  “other words that I will not type here.” from a 
public health agency.


Owen

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

a tv news report a few hours ago about status in America (USA) says the 
map is this.


on another hand, a close person to me, speaking from Texas, he says 9 
cases in his city in Texas.  That map does not show Texas, as far as I 
know America (USA) geography.


Now, it might be that some regions might be more important than others; 
yet, every pereson is equal.


Or, it might be that the map builder (a respected person, reporter, TV 
man) di wrong job or so.


Or, it might be Texas does not want to confine.  At which point - one 
wonders.  Its the same about UK not want to confine.


so, doubcle check always good



Le 16/03/2020 à 21:15, Alexandre Petrescu a écrit :



Le 16/03/2020 à 20:08, Owen DeLong a écrit :



On Mar 16, 2020, at 07:04 , Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:



Le 16/03/2020 à 14:58, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 15/Mar/20 00:12, Eric M. Carroll wrote:



There is good news here. The infrastructure has never been better
positioned to support this kind of mass event. We can shop from home,
work from home, get groceries from home, order drugs, get
entertainment, all via IP. The ISP community needs to be ready to
respond to the magnitude of what is happening.

If the Internet was as large in 2003 when SARS hit as it is now in 2020
under the Coronavirus, I think we'd have seen the same issues back 
then.


Nowadays, information gets around a lot faster and with more fuss and
fanfare than before. On average, by the time you see a shared video 
clip

on WhatsApp, you'll be receiving it from 100 other contacts inside of a
30 minutes.

As readier as the Internet is today, part of the mega spread of the
fallout from the Coronavirus is because information is not only
traveling way faster, a lot of it is also not (necessarily) verified or
moderated before being shared with is consumers.



There is no other way to do that information filterning now. Nobody 
has any authority of knowing better than others.


This simply isn’t true…

Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who 
specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.



Doctors are many.  Some speak urgent: they say stay home.

Others say this, and yet others say that.




The information on the CDC and WHO websites remains the primary 
source of trustworthy information. It may be
incomplete, but if someone is contradicting something there, they’re 
very likely to be wrong.



Stay home.




OTOH, anyone selling “survive COVID” or “cure COVID” etc. is 
completely untrustworthy and guaranteed to be lying to

you in order to sell a product. Despicable, but common place.



Yes.




There’s no authoritative way to get false information off the 
internet, so we have to combat it as best we can with good
information and education. Even in my own household, this is a 
constant battle as my GF continues to bring home
odd superstitious rumors and embellishments from a variety of 
inaccurate sources and I constantly have to correct her

perspective.

For up to date local information, check with the local public health 
authority in your jurisdiction.



I tell you I did.  There is 0 info from official channels telling 
where precisely are the cases.  I had to google the cityname and the 
virus word.


The official information here says number of cases, and names the 
REgions most affected (large regions).  Thats it.


Please tell me about your city: do you know the numbers in your city?  
How did you get the info?





In the US, that will usually
be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual 
municipalities also have public health departments.



Please try it and tell me if it works.




At the very least adhere to their orders and recommendations.



YEs I do.  It says this: tomorrow noon all stay  indoors, out only for 
pharmacy, alimentaiton or criticial job.  Thats it.


They also use other words that I will not type here.

Alex



Owen

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks



Le 16/03/2020 à 21:58, Owen DeLong a écrit :



On Mar 16, 2020, at 13:15 , Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:



Le 16/03/2020 à 20:08, Owen DeLong a écrit :



On Mar 16, 2020, at 07:04 , Alexandre Petrescu 
<mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Le 16/03/2020 à 14:58, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 15/Mar/20 00:12, Eric M. Carroll wrote:



There is good news here. The infrastructure has never been better
positioned to support this kind of mass event. We can shop from home,
work from home, get groceries from home, order drugs, get
entertainment, all via IP. The ISP community needs to be ready to
respond to the magnitude of what is happening.
If the Internet was as large in 2003 when SARS hit as it is now in 
2020
under the Coronavirus, I think we'd have seen the same issues back 
then.


Nowadays, information gets around a lot faster and with more fuss and
fanfare than before. On average, by the time you see a shared 
video clip
on WhatsApp, you'll be receiving it from 100 other contacts inside 
of a

30 minutes.

As readier as the Internet is today, part of the mega spread of the
fallout from the Coronavirus is because information is not only
traveling way faster, a lot of it is also not (necessarily) 
verified or

moderated before being shared with is consumers.



There is no other way to do that information filterning now. Nobody 
has any authority of knowing better than others.


This simply isn’t true…

Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who 
specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.



Doctors are many.  Some speak urgent: they say stay home.

Others say this, and yet others say that.




Doctors are many. Epidemiologists are fewer. Virtually all of the 
epidemiologists and specialists in infectious disease are

saying the same thing… Urget — stay home — flatten the curve.

The information on the CDC and WHO websites remains the primary 
source of trustworthy information. It may be
incomplete, but if someone is contradicting something there, they’re 
very likely to be wrong.



Stay home.



Yes.



OTOH, anyone selling “survive COVID” or “cure COVID” etc. is 
completely untrustworthy and guaranteed to be lying to

you in order to sell a product. Despicable, but common place.



Yes.




There’s no authoritative way to get false information off the 
internet, so we have to combat it as best we can with good
information and education. Even in my own household, this is a 
constant battle as my GF continues to bring home
odd superstitious rumors and embellishments from a variety of 
inaccurate sources and I constantly have to correct her

perspective.

For up to date local information, check with the local public health 
authority in your jurisdiction.



I tell you I did.  There is 0 info from official channels telling 
where precisely are the cases.  I had to google the cityname and the 
virus word.


The official information here says number of cases, and names the 
REgions most affected (large regions).  Thats it.


Please tell me about your city: do you know the numbers in your 
city?  How did you get the info?





What do you care where the already diagnosed cases are… But the time a 
location has already diagnosed cases that can be reported,
there are likely 100s if not 1000s of other cases going unnoticed in 
the area. Stay home now, regardless of where you are.



In the US, that will usually
be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual 
municipalities also have public health departments.



Please try it and tell me if it works.



Has worked very well for me  in Santa Clara County so far.



How is Santa Clara County informing their citizens?  Some website or 
some SMS (short text message on cellular)?



My city sent me two paper letters Saturday, but no numbers about cases.  
I had to go to pharmacy and ask the pharmacist what she heard; she heard 
from somebdoy else about 2 cases in nearby village.  That was 3 days ago.


Thats how I get informed.








At the very least adhere to their orders and recommendations.



YEs I do.  It says this: tomorrow noon all stay  indoors, out only 
for pharmacy, alimentaiton or criticial job.  Thats it.



What more do you want? That’s the best advice that exists today.


They also use other words that I will not type here.



lol



ok lol if you wish :-)

Alex



Owen

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks



Le 16/03/2020 à 21:42, sro...@ronan-online.com a écrit :

https://hgis.uw.edu/virus <https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/>



It does not say by City.  I cant find my city, department not even region.

I know all these URLs with maps, I can paste them if y ou wish.

I watch them every day.

Alex



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Alexandre Petrescu 
 wrote:





Le 16/03/2020 à 20:08, Owen DeLong a écrit :



On Mar 16, 2020, at 07:04 , Alexandre Petrescu 
<mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Le 16/03/2020 à 14:58, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 15/Mar/20 00:12, Eric M. Carroll wrote:



There is good news here. The infrastructure has never been better
positioned to support this kind of mass event. We can shop from home,
work from home, get groceries from home, order drugs, get
entertainment, all via IP. The ISP community needs to be ready to
respond to the magnitude of what is happening.
If the Internet was as large in 2003 when SARS hit as it is now in 
2020
under the Coronavirus, I think we'd have seen the same issues back 
then.


Nowadays, information gets around a lot faster and with more fuss and
fanfare than before. On average, by the time you see a shared 
video clip
on WhatsApp, you'll be receiving it from 100 other contacts inside 
of a

30 minutes.

As readier as the Internet is today, part of the mega spread of the
fallout from the Coronavirus is because information is not only
traveling way faster, a lot of it is also not (necessarily) 
verified or

moderated before being shared with is consumers.



There is no other way to do that information filterning now. Nobody 
has any authority of knowing better than others.


This simply isn’t true…

Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who 
specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.



Doctors are many.  Some speak urgent: they say stay home.

Others say this, and yet others say that.




The information on the CDC and WHO websites remains the primary 
source of trustworthy information. It may be
incomplete, but if someone is contradicting something there, they’re 
very likely to be wrong.



Stay home.




OTOH, anyone selling “survive COVID” or “cure COVID” etc. is 
completely untrustworthy and guaranteed to be lying to

you in order to sell a product. Despicable, but common place.



Yes.




There’s no authoritative way to get false information off the 
internet, so we have to combat it as best we can with good
information and education. Even in my own household, this is a 
constant battle as my GF continues to bring home
odd superstitious rumors and embellishments from a variety of 
inaccurate sources and I constantly have to correct her

perspective.

For up to date local information, check with the local public health 
authority in your jurisdiction.



I tell you I did.  There is 0 info from official channels telling 
where precisely are the cases.  I had to google the cityname and the 
virus word.


The official information here says number of cases, and names the 
REgions most affected (large regions).  Thats it.


Please tell me about your city: do you know the numbers in your 
city?  How did you get the info?





In the US, that will usually
be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual 
municipalities also have public health departments.



Please try it and tell me if it works.




At the very least adhere to their orders and recommendations.



YEs I do.  It says this: tomorrow noon all stay  indoors, out only 
for pharmacy, alimentaiton or criticial job.  Thats it.


They also use other words that I will not type here.

Alex



Owen

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Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks



Le 16/03/2020 à 20:08, Owen DeLong a écrit :



On Mar 16, 2020, at 07:04 , Alexandre Petrescu 
mailto:alexandre.petre...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:



Le 16/03/2020 à 14:58, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 15/Mar/20 00:12, Eric M. Carroll wrote:



There is good news here. The infrastructure has never been better
positioned to support this kind of mass event. We can shop from home,
work from home, get groceries from home, order drugs, get
entertainment, all via IP. The ISP community needs to be ready to
respond to the magnitude of what is happening.

If the Internet was as large in 2003 when SARS hit as it is now in 2020
under the Coronavirus, I think we'd have seen the same issues back then.

Nowadays, information gets around a lot faster and with more fuss and
fanfare than before. On average, by the time you see a shared video clip
on WhatsApp, you'll be receiving it from 100 other contacts inside of a
30 minutes.

As readier as the Internet is today, part of the mega spread of the
fallout from the Coronavirus is because information is not only
traveling way faster, a lot of it is also not (necessarily) verified or
moderated before being shared with is consumers.



There is no other way to do that information filterning now. Nobody 
has any authority of knowing better than others.


This simply isn’t true…

Listen to qualified medical professionals, especially those who 
specialize in infectious diseases and epidemiology.



Doctors are many.  Some speak urgent: they say stay home.

Others say this, and yet others say that.




The information on the CDC and WHO websites remains the primary source 
of trustworthy information. It may be
incomplete, but if someone is contradicting something there, they’re 
very likely to be wrong.



Stay home.




OTOH, anyone selling “survive COVID” or “cure COVID” etc. is 
completely untrustworthy and guaranteed to be lying to

you in order to sell a product. Despicable, but common place.



Yes.




There’s no authoritative way to get false information off the 
internet, so we have to combat it as best we can with good
information and education. Even in my own household, this is a 
constant battle as my GF continues to bring home
odd superstitious rumors and embellishments from a variety of 
inaccurate sources and I constantly have to correct her

perspective.

For up to date local information, check with the local public health 
authority in your jurisdiction.



I tell you I did.  There is 0 info from official channels telling where 
precisely are the cases.  I had to google the cityname and the virus word.


The official information here says number of cases, and names the 
REgions most affected (large regions).  Thats it.


Please tell me about your city: do you know the numbers in your city?  
How did you get the info?





In the US, that will usually
be your county public health agency. In some cases, individual 
municipalities also have public health departments.



Please try it and tell me if it works.




At the very least adhere to their orders and recommendations.



YEs I do.  It says this: tomorrow noon all stay  indoors, out only for 
pharmacy, alimentaiton or criticial job.  Thats it.


They also use other words that I will not type here.

Alex



Owen

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks




Le 16/03/2020 à 15:22, Mark Tinka a écrit :


On 16/Mar/20 16:04, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:



There is no other way to do that information filterning now. Nobody
has any authority of knowing better than others.

MUAs filters yes. (mail user agent)

Look at all data you receive, identify patterns, then act. That's all
one can do now.

There are easily identifiable patterns.

Develop trust.

I'd say "develop brains" :-).

A lot of people are only too happy to be led, they want to believe
anything that comes out of a leader's mouth, especially if that leader
said it on TV, or on Twitter.

Worse, a lot of people want to be "the 1st" to show that they knew
something before anyone else, so they can come off as "the source of
truth".



I must say I agree with you on that 'be the 1st to know' thing. Some 
behaviour like that of blogger (no offence, sorry), or of a person 
looking to create reputation quickly, ie create a safe situation quickly 
for self, is happening.  Whistle blower is one such case too.  I myself 
find myself often in such situation and, humanly, inherently, look some 
times to improve reputation.  I admit that for myself.


Some of these whistle blowers also some times act out of conviction, 
which is laudable.   Some law protects them.


But also, there are other things.  Under these circumnstances, there are 
many such people - 1st announcers.  But too many of them are in 
private.  Some worry their gov't might chain them, others worry it might 
not really be so, so their reputation is at risk, others worry to talk 
about their private data to public lists. Some look to reinforce their 
leadership position, others to go up on the ladder, others look to save, 
and probably more other reasons.


Despite all that, I believe it might be that there might not be enough 
of them, these "1st to know" announcers.  I still think that at this 
time there are still a majority of people that dont believe this is 
true, or that it is a conspiracy, or that it wont affect me, or tha 
tit's just a 'flu' (from Influenza).


For my part, I have a hard time to persuade members of my immediate 
circle of people about the dangerosity of this.  It's in steps: they 
accept some danger but not bigger, accept bigger but not even bigger.  
Few if any accept to go from 0 to total acceptance of what's happening 
in 1 day or so.  One can see that acceptance time in the time difference 
between the 2 weeks of inception, to the 3 months of the event up/down 
in China.  Looking now retrospectively, some question the following: if 
China quickly closed everything in 2 weeks after the first cases, would 
we still be where we are now?


But, as someone adviced on this list, I also look to save my energy.

Alex

PS: By this I also respond to another topic, to another poster on this 
email list, that I know from IETF, to share that a cousin of mine just 
got her long time planned surgery cancelled  (reported to a new date do 
be defined).  IT is a condition on which the bad thing can evolve badly, 
and shes unhappy no surgery now.



  That is why the moment someone receives a fake "official memo"
from the Ministry of Education of some country saying that all school
lessons have been banned on a Sunday following the Friday the president
gave an official statement about the state of the Coronavirus in said
country, they can't take 60 seconds to see that the date on that letter
is 2 days before the president gave his statement, nor can they reason
as to how such a letter could be sent after the president never
mentioned a thing about shutting schools down during his official
presser, without a copy of it being on the government's official web
site or announced by the national news broadcaster.

We see folk potentially becoming presidents because they spent more
money and made the loudest noise. Nobody has time, anymore, to listen to
the issues and make up their own minds. They just want to be told what
to think based on who retweets the loudest.

People want to believe anything. People want to share everything. That's
one of the biggest consequences of the ubiquity of the Internet today,
and the Coronavirus has just amplified what has already been happening
for a few years now.

Mark.

Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks