Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:59 PM Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by > Telehouse Chelsea? > If I recall correctly in just switching to 100G ports instead of multiple 10G bundles we managed to pay off new switches in ~6 months. (not on that s

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On 20/Sep/18 03:13, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > At those prices, it doesn’t take a lot of XCs to justify the cost of > building an additional datacenter. These sorts of prices are generally visible either in cable landing stations, or data centres ran by submarine cable operators offering access t

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On 20/Sep/18 16:00, Andrew Ashley wrote: > > Agreed. This is a topic worthy of discussion all on its own! > Wonder how much of colo/DC operator space and revenue public cloud is eating > in 2018? NAPAfrica employ a "free x-connect" model to peer at their exchange point provided you are a pa

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

>Equinix were a leader in bringing this to the UK, they have said they >want to get the UK charges to US levels (so >10x increase still to >come). US pricing already matches metro waves so we face paying >twice the cost of the wave to the DCs for the short interconnects. Our Int

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

> On Sep 19, 2018, at 00:44 , Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:28 PM Owen DeLong > wrote: > > I’d argue that the difference between reasonable (≤$500 one-time and ≤$50 > MRC) and $300 MRC is within range of argument, but I cannot see a

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Christopher Morrow wrote: > Whether it actually 'costs' that much to pull a x-connect and maintain > that x-connect is probably not as important as 'gosh it's really hard > to be 'close' to ' right? which is what they are > capitalizing on here.> > Hank, how far away is the next closest large ne

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:28 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > I’d argue that the difference between reasonable (≤$500 one-time and ≤$50 > MRC) and $300 MRC is within range of argument, but I cannot see any way in > which an argument can be made that $5840 MRC is not a distortion in that > same circumst

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

--- b...@ufl.edu wrote: From: Bruce H McIntosh I can remember a conversation like this at a Joint Techs meeting many years back. Several of us were outgassing about how expensive it was to get 100mbps connections off our campuses, until the guy from the University of Hawaii told us how much

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Bruce H McIntosh wrote: > >>> Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is >>> $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) >>> Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are. >>> >>> -Hank >> So, you’re argui

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are. -Hank So, you’re arguing that because the prices in Israel are 15*ridiculous, we should stop complaining

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: >>> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they >>> held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. >> For what it's worth, Telehouse London is aroun

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Tue Sep 18, 2018 at 08:19:35AM +, Scott Christopher wrote: > Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > > On 18/09/2018 08:02, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >> > >> it's funny/possible that x-connect costs affect where peering appears > >> in the landscape, right?> Not this time. Just price gouging since

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On 18/09/2018 08:02, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> >> it's funny/possible that x-connect costs affect where peering appears >> in the landscape, right?> Not this time. Just price gouging since moving a >> number of cabinets > to a different location is a nightmare. Sure

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, at 17:30, Daniel Corbe wrote: > $300 MRC for a once-off cross connect isn’t unreasonable. There’s costs 300$ would be (at the limit of) reasonable *M*RC for a 12 FO cable (= 6 duplex XCOs). Or the one-off (*N*RC) for one XCO. That's actually close to the rates we have o

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On 18/09/2018 08:02, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:44 PM Hank Nussbacher > wrote: > > On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: > >> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.    Seems > more like they held onto out of date

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:44 PM Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: > >> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like > they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. > > For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: >> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they >> held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. > For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect > within the same building. Our U

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

One Wilshire is at $750/mo for XCs. Expect other constrained buildings to head there if not already (PAIX? Can you even get one?) -Ben. > On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Daniel Corbe wrote: > > at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin wrote: > >>> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Sep 17, 2018, at 17:51, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Patrick W. Gilmore wrote on 17/09/2018 22:40: >> Expecting any for-profit business (all of them, not just REITs) to do >> less than extract maximum cash is deluding yourself. > oh sure, but price gouging is often bad business practice in the long t

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Patrick W. Gilmore wrote on 17/09/2018 22:40: Expecting any for-profit business (all of them, not just REITs) to do less than extract maximum cash is deluding yourself. oh sure, but price gouging is often bad business practice in the long term. Humans evolved a strong sense of injustice and hav

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin wrote: $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

My current facility (in the Ashburn, VA, USA area) is $25/mo with two for free, but when I was shopping around, most other facilities were at least $300/mo. Certainly not unusual but I agree it's excessive. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin wrote: > > $350/mo seems to be standard. Our

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Correct. Behold the ‘active riser’. We started doing this years ago in our R&E network after we were being nickeled and dimes to cross floors between our own cages we leased from the same colo. > On Sep 17, 2018, at 15:23, Ben Cannon wrote: > > fs.com has got this ready to go. Less than tha

RE: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

> Patrick W. Gilmore wrote : > Maybe I am confused, but I thought every for-profit business exists to > extract as much money as possible. Especially is said business is potentially in my 401(k) portfolio. I expect them to milk every penny they possibly can out of their customers so my 401(k) g

RE: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they > held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other ha

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

fs.com has got this ready to go. Less than that. > On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Joe Maimon wrote: > > > > Ethan O'Toole wrote: >>> If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per >>> month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? >> >> These big datacenter co

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Ethan O'Toole wrote: If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possib

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Sep 17, 2018, at 15:08, Ethan O'Toole wrote: > >> If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per >> month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? > > These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and > apartment buildings, they exis

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250.Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. -Ben On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Ethan O'Toole wrote: >> If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per >> month occupied by th

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users. Nothin

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? I’m not saying I think $300 MRC is legitimate by any means, but, if you’re going to talk about the ongoing costs, the space in the cable ladder and/or fiber tray(s) also h

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Daniel Corbe wrote: > $300 MRC for a once-off cross connect isn’t unreasonable. There’s costs > and labor involved in running that cable through a riser. Especially if you > want it in innerduct. Hi Daniel, A $300 Non-Recurring Cost, sure. The MONTHLY Recurri

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

at 10:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea? When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the Uni

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

On 9/17/18 7:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea? When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in th

Re: Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Still better than what other places charge (*cough* DR. *cough*) On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: > Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by > Telehouse Chelsea? > > When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to > 200$

Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC

Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea? When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the United states. I get the impression that