Re: Charter ARP Leak

2015-01-05 Thread John Kristoff
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:23:56 -0500 (EST) Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: From an intermediate routing standpoint, though, it would be easier to add an *adjacent* block, not one halfway across the address space, no? One never knows how the address space is carved up. Changing what were

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:44:48 +, Stephen R. Carter said: Here is a small excerpt I am seeing. 06:04:04.760869 In 00:21:a0:fb:53:d9 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype ARP (0x0806), length 60: arp who-has 97.85.59.219 tell 97.85.58.1 06:04:04.761950 In 00:21:a0:fb:53:d9 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff,

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Brad Hein
This is normal for a cable modem network. These are broadcast packets so they get delivered to everybody on that node. ARP uses layer-2 broadcast to ask for the owner of a given IP to respond with its MAC so that subsequent communication with that IP can be addressed directly. [sent from mobile

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Rampley Jr, Jim F
On 12/29/14, 10:49 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:44:48 +, Stephen R. Carter said: Here is a small excerpt I am seeing. 06:04:04.760869 In 00:21:a0:fb:53:d9 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, ethertype ARP (0x0806), length 60: arp who-has

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Rampley Jr, Jim F jim.ramp...@charter.com On 12/29/14, 10:49 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:44:48 +, Stephen R. Carter said: Here is a small excerpt I am seeing. 06:04:04.760869 In

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Brett Frankenberger
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:27:04PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: Valdis, you are correct. What your seeing is caused by multiple IP blocks being assigned to the same CMTS interface. Am I incorrect, though, in believing that ARP packets should only be visible within a broadcast domain,

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brett Frankenberger r...@rbfnet.com On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:27:04PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: Valdis, you are correct. What your seeing is caused by multiple IP blocks being assigned to the same CMTS interface. Am I incorrect, though, in

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:12:34AM -0600, Rampley Jr, Jim F wrote: On 12/29/14, 10:49 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 03:44:48 +, Stephen R. Carter said: Here is a small excerpt I am seeing. 06:04:04.760869 In 00:21:a0:fb:53:d9

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread David Coulson
On 12/29/14, 12:51 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: Ok. But the interface to which the cablemodem is attached, in the general single-DHCP-IP case, is a /24, is it not? I'm on TWC. The IP address I get from them is on a /20. 104.230.32.0/20 dev eth7 proto kernel scope link src 104.230.32.x The

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Chris Boyd
On Dec 29, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Ok. But the interface to which the cablemodem is attached, in the general single-DHCP-IP case, is a /24, is it not? No, I've seen multiple IPv4 /21s assigned to a single customer interface on a CMTS. The newer CMTS are

RE: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Phil Bedard
The CM is just a bridge for that traffic. It has a management IP assigned to it by the provider but that's a different network so to speak. Phil -Original Message- From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com Sent: ‎12/‎29/‎2014 12:52 PM To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Charter ARP Leak

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: David Coulson da...@davidcoulson.net We all knows it's easier to add another secondary IP to the interface and add a new DHCP scope than to try to expand a subnet. From an intermediate routing standpoint, though, it would be easier to add an *adjacent*

RE: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Corey Touchet
it comes to garbage received on your interface either. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of David Coulson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:57 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Charter ARP Leak Not sure I understand what all the excitement is about?

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 12/29/2014 11:35, Brett Frankenberger wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 12:27:04PM -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote: Valdis, you are correct. What your seeing is caused by multiple IP blocks being assigned to the same CMTS interface. Am I incorrect, though, in believing that ARP packets should only

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Jason Hellenthal
Well sure they are subnets :-) of 0.0.0.0/4 range: 0.0.0.0 15.255.255.255 range b10: 0 268435455 range b16: 0x0 0xfff hosts: 268435456 prefixlen: 4 mask:240.0.0.0 Doubt anyone should ever describe them as such unless they own all that space though. May God rest

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Ricky Beam
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:41:45 -0500, Corey Touchet corey.touc...@corp.totalserversolutions.com wrote: We'll I would for one be very interested if the 8 ARP packets a second count against the caps. Depends on where and what counters they probe. I would assume they look at unicast fields,

Re: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 12/29/2014 22:32, Ricky Beam wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:41:45 -0500, Corey Touchet corey.touc...@corp.totalserversolutions.com wrote: We'll I would for one be very interested if the 8 ARP packets a second count against the caps. Depends on where and what counters they probe. I would

RE: Charter ARP Leak

2014-12-29 Thread Phil Bedard
: Charter ARP Leak On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:41:45 -0500, Corey Touchet corey.touc...@corp.totalserversolutions.com wrote: We'll I would for one be very interested if the 8 ARP packets a second count against the caps. Depends on where and what counters they probe. I would assume they look