Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:27 PM Collider wrote: > Congrats! LIOAWKI is a hapax legomenon in DuckDuckGo's search results! > Could you please tell me & the list what it means? > Large Internet Outages Are What Kills Income! It's a phrase that is uttered by members of the finance organization

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

Based on my personal experience of getting onto the contact list of an extremely persistent Cogent sales person, mostly, I am morbidly curious what their CRM system looks like for cold and stale leads, and how often these sets of non-responsive leads get passed on to new junior salespeople. And

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

My best guess is “Life As We Know It Will Be Over”, but that’s just a guess. Owen > On Oct 2, 2023, at 17:32, Collider wrote: > > So is LAWKIWBO, which is the correct acronym mentioned downthread. > > > Le 3 octobre 2023 00:29:08 UTC, Collider a > écrit : >> Congrats! LIOAWKI is a hapax

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

be depeer them? > > I know this sound extreme, but.. everything else seems to fail.. > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Christopher Morrow > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN >reco

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

? Maybe depeer them? I know this sound extreme, but.. everything else seems to fail.. -- Original message -- From: Christopher Morrow To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 15:48:11 -0400 i

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

Heh. (: Le 4 octobre 2023 01:23:13 UTC, Owen DeLong via NANOG a écrit  : >I was one of the main people behind their suspension from ARIN whois for 6 >months. > >They have not spammed me since. > >They’re probably afraid of another cake. > >Owen > > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 18:18, Mike Lyon wrote:

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

On Oct 3, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bryan Fields wrote: On 10/2/23 11:28 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: I believe they got the contact information from ARIN I'd suggest everyone use an alias unique to ARIN for your POC and/or public email. Makes it super simple to verify where it was sourced from. (and

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

> On Oct 3, 2023, at 11:52 AM, Bryan Fields wrote: > > On 10/2/23 11:28 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> I believe they got the contact information from ARIN > > I'd suggest everyone use an alias unique to ARIN for your POC and/or public > email. Makes it super simple to verify where it was sourced

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

I was one of the main people behind their suspension from ARIN whois for 6 months. They have not spammed me since. They’re probably afraid of another cake. Owen > On Oct 3, 2023, at 18:18, Mike Lyon wrote: > > Give it time :) > > -Mike > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 18:06, Owen DeLong via NANOG

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Give it time :) -Mike > On Oct 3, 2023, at 18:06, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > But I seem to have finally gotten Cogent trained not to spam this one, so I > think I’ll leave it as is. > > YMMV > > Owen > > >> On Oct 3, 2023, at 08:52, Bryan Fields wrote: >> >>> On 10/2/23 11:28 AM,

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But I seem to have finally gotten Cogent trained not to spam this one, so I think I’ll leave it as is. YMMV Owen > On Oct 3, 2023, at 08:52, Bryan Fields wrote: > > On 10/2/23 11:28 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: >> I believe they got the contact information from ARIN > > I'd suggest everyone use

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

* morrowc.li...@gmail.com (Christopher Morrow) [Tue 03 Oct 2023, 21:50 CEST]: I'm sure telling dave shaeffer: "Hey, your sales droids are being rude" is going to end as well as sending him ED pill emails. Such outreach to technical contacts is counterproductive anyway. Which is more likely,

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

On 10/3/2023 3:48 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: those are a bit of a false equivalence... but... ok. I think: "Oh look, more spam, delete" is basically how this sort of problem (email from randos trying to sell me ED pills or 10Gs) should be treated. I don't know that it's helpful to keep

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 12:54 PM wrote: > > * morrowc.li...@gmail.com (Christopher Morrow) [Tue 03 Oct 2023, 18:29 CEST]: > >this sort of thing (provider X scrapes Y and mails Z for sales leads) > >every ~18 months. > >the same outrage and conversation happens every time. > >the same protection

Re: ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

* morrowc.li...@gmail.com (Christopher Morrow) [Tue 03 Oct 2023, 18:29 CEST]: this sort of thing (provider X scrapes Y and mails Z for sales leads) every ~18 months. the same outrage and conversation happens every time. the same protection mechanisms are noted every time. Is there a reason

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this sort of thing (provider X scrapes Y and mails Z for sales leads) every ~18 months. the same outrage and conversation happens every time. the same protection mechanisms are noted every time. Is there a reason that: "killfileand move on" is not the answer everytime for this? (why do we need to

ARIN email address (was cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?)

On 10/2/23 11:28 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: I believe they got the contact information from ARIN I'd suggest everyone use an alias unique to ARIN for your POC and/or public email. Makes it super simple to verify where it was sourced from. (and yes I've got the same spam) -- Bryan Fields

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

So is LAWKIWBO, which is the correct acronym mentioned downthread. Le 3 octobre 2023 00:29:08 UTC, Collider a écrit : >Congrats! LIOAWKI is a hapax legomenon in DuckDuckGo's search results! Could >you please tell me & the list what it means? > >Le 2 octobre 2023 15:28:03 UTC, Mel Beckman a

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

Congrats! LIOAWKI is a hapax legomenon in DuckDuckGo's search results! Could you please tell me & the list what it means? Le 2 octobre 2023 15:28:03 UTC, Mel Beckman a écrit : >This morning I received an email from someone at Cogent asking about an ASN I >administer. They didn’t give any

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

> Other outfits have been spamming using the nanog attendees list, but I guess >> that’s not as bad as the continued scraping of ARIN records, so I won't call >> them out... yet, at least.  >> >> -Original Message- >> From: NANOG On Beha

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s list, but I guess >> that’s not as bad as the continued scraping of ARIN records, so I won't call >> them out... yet, at least.  >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mel Beckman >> Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 10:28 AM >> To:

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

using the nanog attendees list, but I guess > that’s not as bad as the continued scraping of ARIN records, so I won't call > them out... yet, at least.  > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mel Beckman > Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 10:28 AM > To: nanog l

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

On 10/2/23 22:59, Matthew Petach wrote: Huh? In all my decades of time in the network industry, I have never seen a case where a smaller transit contract had lower per mbit cost than a larger volume contract. I would expect that HE would make *more* money off 10 smaller customer

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 12:14 Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 10/2/23 20:58, Tim Burke wrote: > > > Hurricane has been doing the same thing lately... but their schtick is > to say that "we are seeing a significant amount of hops in your AS path and > wanted to know if you are open to resolve this

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

On 10/2/23 20:58, Tim Burke wrote: Hurricane has been doing the same thing lately... but their schtick is to say that "we are seeing a significant amount of hops in your AS path and wanted to know if you are open to resolve this issue". I get what HE are trying to do here, as I am sure

RE: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

t Subject: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records? This morning I received an email from someone at Cogent asking about an ASN I administer. They didn’t give any details, but I assumed it might be related to some kind of network transport issue. I replied cordially, asking them what t

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

Jay, Apparently my sarcasm was too subtle :) -mel > On Oct 2, 2023, at 10:01 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: > > On 10/2/23 09:16, Mel Beckman wrote: >> Tom, >> Thanks for that pointer! apparently cogent has a history of abuse. > > Apparently? > > In other news, apparently bears have been using

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On 10/2/23 09:16, Mel Beckman wrote: Tom, Thanks for that pointer! apparently cogent has a history of abuse. Apparently? In other news, apparently bears have been using our National Forests as their personal toilets for decades. -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net Network Engineering - CCIE

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dang auto correct! I should’ve caught that bad change. what I meant to say, was: LAWKIWBO. -mel > On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > John, > > Thank you for your guidance! > > -mel > >> On Oct 2, 2023, at 8:33 AM, John Sweeting wrote: >> >> Mel, I will reply to you

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Tom, Thanks for that pointer! apparently cogent has a history of abuse. -mel On Oct 2, 2023, at 8:34 AM, Tom Beecher wrote:  complia...@arin.net Refer back to an email John Curran sent to this list on Jan 6 2020 , "Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois" On

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John, Thank you for your guidance! -mel > On Oct 2, 2023, at 8:33 AM, John Sweeting wrote: > > Mel, I will reply to you off list. Thanks. > > On 10/2/23, 11:28 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Mel Beckman" > mailto:arin@nanog.org> on > behalf of m...@beckman.org >

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

complia...@arin.net Refer back to an email John Curran sent to this list on Jan 6 2020 , "Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois" On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 11:29 AM Mel Beckman wrote: > This morning I received an email from someone at Cogent asking about an > ASN I administer. They didn’t give

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

Mel, I will reply to you off list. Thanks. On 10/2/23, 11:28 AM, "NANOG on behalf of Mel Beckman" mailto:arin@nanog.org> on behalf of m...@beckman.org > wrote: This morning I received an email from someone at Cogent asking about an ASN I administer. They didn’t

cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

This morning I received an email from someone at Cogent asking about an ASN I administer. They didn’t give any details, but I assumed it might be related to some kind of network transport issue. I replied cordially, asking them what they needed. The person then replied with a blatant spam,