Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Tom Smyth
Hi Simon, as other responders have said it is an inherent issue with NAT in general, on workaround is to limit the ratio of actual users to an external IPv4 address, the other thing we have seen from our Abuse contact emails from PSN, is that malicious activity towards the PSN is often accompanie

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 01:30:52PM +0100, Tom Smyth wrote: > 2)do some "canary in the mine" monitoring for obviously malicious traffic > (loads of SMTP traffic outbound) and lots of connection requests to SSH > servers ... if you see that traffic from behind your CGNAT device .. just > temporaril

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Tom Beecher
This is, as many things are, a huge problem in communication. Sony tells ISP 'Hey, you have customers abusing us. Fix it!'. ISP says 'Oh crap, sorry, what's going on? We'll run it down.' Sony says nothing. Let's just stop here for a second. This is fundamentally no different then the 'I have a pr

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Mike Hammett
People love to hate incumbent telcos because of their arrogance (and frankly it's deserved), but people forget that big content can be just as arrogant and just as deserving of hatred. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

Re: One more thing to watch out for at data centers - fire drills

2016-09-18 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 09/17/2016 02:43 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: My experiences were back in the days of washing-machine class disc drives and they were a 4-hour fire-wall away, but I don't remember them being impacted. (I can't believe that I was allowed to conduct a test with them running, but I don't remember shu

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Rich Kulawiec: > For example: if the average number of outbound SSH connections > established per hour per host across all hosts behind CGNAT is 3.2, > and you see a host making 1100/hour: that's a problem. It might be > someone who botched a Perl script; or it might be a botted host > trying t

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Tom Beecher: > Simon's getting screwed because he's not being given any information to try > and solve the problem, and because his customers are likely blaming him > because he's their ISP. We don't know that for sure. Another potential issue is that the ISP just cannot afford to notify its c

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sun Sep 18, 2016 at 03:58:57PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Tom Beecher: > > Simon's getting screwed because he's not being given any information to try > > and solve the problem, and because his customers are likely blaming him > > because he's their ISP. > > We don't know that for sure.

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Tom Beecher
An email to a user notifying them they're likely compromised costs basically nothing. An email to their entire subscriber base also costs nothing. If you find me an ISP that can't afford to notify users, I'll show you one that shouldn't be in business anyways. There's this presumption of guilt her

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Tom Beecher: > An email to a user notifying them they're likely compromised costs > basically nothing. If this increases the probability that the customer contacts customer support, in some markets, there is a risk that the account will never turn profitable during the current contract period.

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Florian Weimer
* Simon Lockhart: > On Sun Sep 18, 2016 at 03:58:57PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Tom Beecher: >> > Simon's getting screwed because he's not being given any information to try >> > and solve the problem, and because his customers are likely blaming him >> > because he's their ISP. >> >> We

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sun Sep 18, 2016 at 05:17:33PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Okay, then perhaps my guess of the ISP involved is wrong. It's not hard to find out who I work for :) > Out of curiosity, how common is end-to-end reporting of > source/destination port information (in addition to source IP > addre

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/18/2016 08:19, Mike Hammett wrote: People love to hate incumbent telcos because of their arrogance (and frankly it's deserved), but people forget that big content can be just as arrogant and just as deserving of hatred. I never did see the benefit or the approach. To anybody. -- "Ever

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 9/18/2016 16:26, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 9/18/2016 08:19, Mike Hammett wrote: People love to hate incumbent telcos because of their arrogance (and frankly it's deserved), but people forget that big content can be just as arrogant and just as deserving of hatred. I never did see the bene

RE: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Tony Wicks
Interestingly, Sony (SNEI-NOC-Abuse - Sony say no, either through silence, or explicitly.

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 10:41:59 +1200, "Tony Wicks" said: > Interestingly, Sony (SNEI-NOC-Abuse replied to being forwarded back one of their notification blocks requesting > more detailed information with a csv file in under an hour! So I guess name-and-shame *does* work? :) pgp2syZkWt95D.pgp Desc

Re: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Jason Baugher
So I should try again to get them to tell me what an "Account Takeover Attempt" is? They ignored my last request. It's easy to explain DMCA or spam to an end-user, but it's difficult to explain to some soccer mom that her kids are doing something to make Sony mad, when I can't explain to them what

RE: PlayStationNetwork blocking of CGNAT public addresses

2016-09-18 Thread Tony Wicks
So the last one we successfully managed to isolate, our customer they had more than one PC with multiple infections. It’s not Playstation’s, but Windows machines that are infected with I assume some malware that is trying to log into PSN. cheers From: Jason Baugher [mailto:ja...@thebaugh

Re: "Defensive" BGP hijacking?

2016-09-18 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > Preventing government manhandling needs to be a design goal. > Can you proffer some potential solutions or directions to look? At the end of the day the ISP or DNS operator or Enterprise is subject to local law enforcement action(s), so I

Re: "Defensive" BGP hijacking?

2016-09-18 Thread Tom Beecher
So after reading your explanation of things... Your technical protections for your client proved sufficient to handle the attack. You took OFFENSIVE action by hijacking the IP space. By your own statements, it was only in response to threats against your company. You were no longer providing DDoS

Re: "Defensive" BGP hijacking?

2016-09-18 Thread Sean Rose
I know Bryant Townsend (ex staminus employee), Marshal Webb (aka m_nerva, lulzsec informant) and others from backconnect.net performed a similar BGP hijacking against staminus earlier this year. https://bgpstream.com/event/21051 Shortly afterwards, on 10th of march a zine is released leaking the

Re: "Defensive" BGP hijacking?

2016-09-18 Thread Sean Rose
And here's the final bit. I'd like to think that is 100% conclusive proof of what happened. The IP range hijacked by backconnect.net, 72.20.0.0/24 returns interesting results on google: https://staminus.thecthulhu.com/zine.txt ## Global allows ALLOW_MAIN="" ALLOW_MAIN="$ALLOW_MAIN $R

Huawei NE

2016-09-18 Thread Lewis,Mitchell T.
Hi All, Does anyone have any experiences with the Huawei NE platform in a service provider environment they can share? Private message is fine. I am comparing against Cisco ASR & Juniper MX. Regards, Mitchell T. Lewis mle...@techcompute.net |203-816-0371 PGP Fingerprint: 79F2A12BAC77