Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:07 PM, Michael Hallgren wrote: > Am I missing something? What's the trigger for doing tunneling here? > With "IP address leasing" you aren't connected to the network which holds the address registration. For leasing less than a /24, they need a plan

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 17:40:27 -0500, Justin Wilson said: > I know of dozens, if not hundreds of small ISPs that can’t participate in > BGP > because they don’t have big enough blocks. What's the business model, if you have less than 120 customers? Selling value-add services on top of moving

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Startups, people serving areas where there aren't a ton of people, etc. I'm sure they'd love to have /24s, but ARIN is out of them and the market is too pricey for most of these guys. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

And this is exactly what other companies are doing. The traditional way of doing a startup ISP is: 1.You get provider assigned IP space 2.You grow big enough to get your own IP space, historically from ARIN. Nowadays you have to buy it on the open market. 3.You re-adddress your network for

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 12:58:48 -0800, Dan Hollis said: > On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > Been there, done that. Been out of the country and offline for 36 hours, > > reconnect and there's a user with a problem that would have been dealt > > with 36 hours earlier if they had

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Thanks Bill. Kinda ugly, but OK I see... Prefer v6 ;-) mh Le 4 janv. 2018 à 23:17, à 23:17, William Herrin a écrit: >On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:07 PM, Michael Hallgren wrote: > >> Am I missing something? What's the trigger for doing tunneling here? >> > >With "IP

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

By the way, RIPE still seems to provide fresh /22s to new LIRs. Same in the ARIN region? mh Le 4 janv. 2018 à 23:50, à 23:50, William Herrin a écrit: >On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: > >> I know of dozens, if not hundreds of small ISPs that

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

I can tell you that when we started (and there were IP's still available) we first leased from another company to get our feet when and run tests before we requested our own resources. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:21 PM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Mike

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Most of the ones I know personally are doing CGN and have no real need for IP addresses. I know of Wireless ISPs with 2000 customers and only about 50 IPv4 addresses in use for nat and the occasional Public IP customer. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net www.mtin.net www.midwest-ix.com > On Jan 4,

making the queries go away, was Re: Anyone else blacklisted this morning

In article <20180102170409.ga5...@gsp.org> you write: >On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 04:46:02PM +, Mel Beckman quoted: >> "rbl.iprange.net will mark every ip address as listed to force removal of >> this server." > >Apparently they didn't read section 3.4 of RFC 6471: I agree that listing the

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 19:20:26 -0500, Justin Wilson said: > How is this a good use of resources when they have to justify 80% of a /24 in > which they only need half of? I have 5 ISPs I work with that have 300-500 > customer and are using a /26 or smaller of IP space. They can’t have true >

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Le 2018-01-04 20:16, Job Snijders a écrit : On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 at 20:13, Filip Hruska wrote: I have stumbled upon this site [1] which seems to offer /27 IPv4 leasing. They also claim "All of our IPv4 address space can be used on any network in any location." I thought that

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

There are hundreds of ISPs with under 500 customers. More start up every week. No need to marginalize them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" To:

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:02 PM, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, William Herrin wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Michael Crapse >> wrote: >> >>> I've never dealt with a support queue that resolved the issue faster than >>> a

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Yes, we do this for several clients. We route them a smaller than 24 block over a tunnel. Which bring up an interesting question. Will there be a time where the smallest block size recognized will be something smaller than a /24? /25, /26 ? Most modern routers have the horsepower to deal

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: > I know of dozens, if not hundreds of small ISPs that can’t participate in > BGP because they don’t have big enough blocks. Hi Justin, Not much of an ISP if they can't get a /24. We're talking about a one-time market

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

No. ARIN is out of IPv4 other than IXes, critical infrastructure and IPv6 transition. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Michael Hallgren" To: "William Herrin"

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On 01/04/2018 01:02 PM, Dan Hollis wrote: when the first tier incompetence stops, the direct contacts will stop too. But, but, but...when the first tier support person gets the training to not be incompetent, he is promoted to the second tier and the vacuum is filled with another incompetent

Re: Anyone else blacklisted this morning by rbl.iprange.net?

In article you write: >If you're going to run a DNSBL to advertise your mail software, >perhaps do so in a way that doesn't flip the bird at everyone using it. On the other hand if you're going to use DNSBLs, you really should

Re: Anyone else blacklisted this morning by rbl.iprange.net?

Alas, these RBLs are often hard-coded into firewalls. Non-sophisticated users just think they have a check box saying "block spam". Fixing those IS hard. -mel > On Jan 4, 2018, at 4:45 PM, John Levine wrote: > > In article >

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > There are hundreds of ISPs with under 500 customers. More start up every > week. No need to marginalize them. > Hi Mike, No disrespect, but anyone who can't afford to spend $5000 on resources critical to their activity is

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Le 2018-01-04 20:27, Harald Koch a écrit : "IPv6 available upon request. " LOL. +1 :-) mh

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

"IPv6 available upon request. " LOL. -- Harald

RE: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Notice that the LOA is only checked off on /24 or larger. Luke Guillory Vice President – Technology and Innovation Tel:985.536.1212 Fax:985.536.0300 Email: lguill...@reservetele.com Reserve Telecommunications 100 RTC Dr Reserve, LA 70084

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Michael Crapse wrote: > I've never dealt with a support queue that resolved the issue faster than > a direct contact. > I've never dealt with a support queue that's more competent than the last direct contact I talked with. Navigating the

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 at 20:13, Filip Hruska wrote: > I have stumbled upon this site [1] which seems to offer /27 IPv4 leasing. > They also claim "All of our IPv4 address space can be used on any network > in any location." > > I thought that the smallest prefix size one could get

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Job Snijders wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 at 20:13, Filip Hruska wrote: > > I thought that the smallest prefix size one could get routed globally is > > /24? So how does this work? > > > Probably with GRE, IPIP or OpenVPN

IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Hi, I have stumbled upon this site [1] which seems to offer /27 IPv4 leasing. They also claim "All of our IPv4 address space can be used on any network in any location." I thought that the smallest prefix size one could get routed globally is /24? So how does this work? [1]

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:33:51 -0500, William Herrin said: Why anyone thinks it's acceptable for the form submission to vanish in to the faceless support queue is more of a quandary. The form submission should provide a case number, the

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, William Herrin wrote: On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Michael Crapse wrote: I've never dealt with a support queue that resolved the issue faster than a direct contact. I've never dealt with a support queue that's more competent than the last direct

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

Thanks for all the responses! Seems like I was right about doubting this. Regards -- Filip Hruska Linux System Administrator Dne 1/4/18 v 20:20 Matt Harris napsal(a): They're probably using GRE or other sorts of tunnels, I'd imagine?  It would likely involve increased latency, as any

Re: Anyone else blacklisted this morning by rbl.iprange.net?

Alas, these RBLs are often hard-coded into firewalls. Non-sophisticated users just think they have a check box saying "block spam". Fixing those IS hard. I believe there are cases where people have made it hard, but there are limits on how much I believe in protecting people from the

Re: IPv4 smaller than /24 leasing?

$5k aint nothing. I started with less than that (but hung off the colo's in house bw through NAC.net til I could wean off it). I imagine tiny communities (and say on remote native reserves for eg) that $5k additional expense could be limiting. And soon to become even harder to setup an isp?

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

Depends on what "legitimate" means. We have a decent amount of traffic to the network (like 2Gbps sustained in any afternoon). Its typically a mix of bittorrent, tor-relay traffic, ftp-transfers and of course the expected scanners, malware-hosts, ddos-bots and such. For me

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:33:51 -0500, William Herrin said: > Why anyone thinks it's acceptable for the form submission to vanish in to > the faceless support queue is more of a quandary. The form submission > should provide a case number, the individual to whom it is assigned, direct > contact

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

I've never dealt with a support queue that resolved the issue faster than a direct contact. On 4 January 2018 at 09:12, wrote: > On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:33:51 -0500, William Herrin said: > > > Why anyone thinks it's acceptable for the form submission to vanish in to > >

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:48:24 -0700, Michael Crapse said: > I've never dealt with a support queue that resolved the issue faster than a > direct contact. Which would the user prefer - a guaranteed 15 minute response time from the queue, or 10 minute from a direct contact, unless it's an hour

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On 1/4/2018 12:36 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 04 Jan 2018 09:48:24 -0700, Michael Crapse said: I've never dealt with a support queue that resolved the issue faster than a direct contact. Which would the user prefer - a guaranteed 15 minute response time from the queue, or 10

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2018, Dovid Bender wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:47 AM, Mickael Marchand >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Dovid, >>> >>> Just fill in our abuse form at https://abuse.

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On 01/03/2018 09:46 PM, Tim Burke wrote: AS12876 is online.net... home of the €2.99 physical server, perfect for all of your favorite illegitimate activity. I’m curious how much traffic originates from that ASN that is actually legitimate... probably close to none. SETI at home? Bitcoin

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

In their defense I was pleasantly surprised that I got a response back from them telling me the account was banned. Though it makes me wonder if this is just them trying to save face. I have spoken with the guys that run DO's network and they have an extensive amount of automation to weed out

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

On Thu, Jan 04, 2018 at 09:33:51AM -0500, William Herrin wrote: > Because the number of people who successfully provide actionable > information without being prompted is vanishingly small and the number of > people who fire off automated complaints to the best guess abuse address > (also without