On 7/18/18 7:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't think iPhones have SFP cages.
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From: "Keith Medcalf"
To: "Mike Hammett", "Mark Tinka"
Cc:
At least in the US, Jane also doesn’t really have a choice of her electricity
provider, so she’s not getting bombarded with advertising from vendors selling
“Faster WiFi” than the next guy. I don’t get to choose my method of power
generation and therefore cost per kWh. I’d love to buy $.04 from
There a Comcast outage affecting a few of my locations in SW Washington
state. We initially had an estimate of 3:26 PM for service restoration.
That got bumped to 7 PM. Now the phone system isn't giving an ETR and the
phone system says there are excessive hold times.
I'm guessing it's a fiber
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 05:55:23PM -0400, Randy Bush wrote:
> > Can you elaborate what routers with what software you are using? It
> > surprises me a bit to find routers anno 2018 which can't do OV in
> > some shape or form.
>
> depends on how picky you are about "some shape or form."
I was
> Can you elaborate what routers with what software you are using? It
> surprises me a bit to find routers anno 2018 which can't do OV in some
> shape or form.
depends on how picky you are about "some shape or form."
draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-clarify was not written because it is usefully
I don't think iPhones have SFP cages.
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From: "Keith Medcalf"
To: "Mike Hammett" , "Mark Tinka"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18,
On 18/Jul/18 15:41, K. Scott Helms wrote:
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>
> That's why I vastly prefer stats from the actual CDNs and content
> providers that aren't generated by speed tests. They're generated by
> measuring the actual performance of the service they deliver. Now,
> that won't prevent burden shifting,
On 18/Jul/18 16:22, K. Scott Helms wrote:
> Mark,
>
> I am glad I don't have your challenges :)
>
> What's the Netflix (or other substantial OTT video provider) situation
> for direct peers? It's pretty easy and cheap for North American
> operators to get settlement free peering to Netflix,
> Peering isn't the problem. Proximity to content is.
>
> Netflix, Google, Akamai and a few others have presence in Africa already.
> So those aren't the problem (although for those currently in Africa, not
> all of the services they offer globally are available here - just a few).
>
> A lot of
That seems only to be for direct peers Mike.
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:53 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://isp.google.com
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> - Original Message -
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On 18/Jul/18 15:48, Luke Guillory wrote:
> https://isp.google.com
>
> Thought I think this is only for when you have peering, someone can correct
> me if that's incorrect.
And also if you operate a GGC (which is very likely if you're peering).
Mark.
Correct. I figured most eyeballs had Google peering or were looking to get it.
I was talking with CVF at ChiNOG about some of the shortcomings of the Google
ISP Portal. He saw value in making the portal available to all ISPs. I don't
know when (if) that will be available.
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Mike
On 19/07/18 00:27, Mark Tinka wrote:
> All the peering in the world doesn't help if the latency is well over
> 100ms+. That's what we need to fix.
Living in Australia this is an every day experience, especially for
content served out of Europe (or for that matter, Africa).
TCP & below are rarely
On 7/17/2018 10:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't think you understand the gravity of the in-home interference issue.
Unfortunately, neither does the IEEE.
It doesn't need to be in lock-step, but if a significant number of homes have
issues getting over 100 megabit wirelessly, I'm not sure
On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:24:15 -0500, Mike Hammett said:
> Check your Google portal for more information as to what Google can do with
> BGP Communities related to reporting.
For a horrifying moment, I misread this as Google surfacing performance stats
via a
BGP stream by encoding stat_name:value
> For a horrifying moment, I misread this as Google surfacing
> performance stats via a BGP stream by encoding stat_name:value as
> community:value
> /me goes searching for mass quantities of caffeine
Because you'll be spending the night writing up that Internet-Draft? :-)
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Simon.
We use Netrounds for this.
We make a speedtest site available to the customer for their "click and test"
needs which is the first step.
If the customer doesn’t achive their allocated speed we will send out a probe
(usually some form of Intel NUC or similar machine) that can do more advanced
Mark,
I am glad I don't have your challenges :)
What's the Netflix (or other substantial OTT video provider) situation for
direct peers? It's pretty easy and cheap for North American operators to
get settlement free peering to Netflix, Amazon, Youtube and others but I
don't know what that looks
The game companies (and render farms) also need to work on as extensive peering
as the top CDNs have been doing. They're getting better, but not quite there
yet.
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Out of curiosity, are you using one of those cheap dirty "misused outside of
region" Afrinic blocks?
They keep trying (and spamming the crap out of a few forums) to offload them to
ISPs temporarily for cheap so that the ISPs will get them cleaned up and marked
as residential, then
On 18/Jul/18 16:58, K. Scott Helms wrote:
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> Mark,
>
> I agree completely, I'm working on a paper right now for a conference
> (waiting on Wireshark to finish with my complex filter at the moment)
> that shows what's happening with gaming traffic. What's really
> interesting is how gaming is
On 18/Jul/18 17:00, Mike Hammett wrote:
> The game companies (and render farms) also need to work on as extensive
> peering as the top CDNs have been doing. They're getting better, but not
> quite there yet.
I'm not sure about North America, Asia-Pac or South America, but in
Europe, the
On 18/Jul/18 23:56, Keith Stokes wrote:
> At least in the US, Jane also doesn’t really have a choice of her
> electricity provider, so she’s not getting bombarded with advertising
> from vendors selling “Faster WiFi” than the next guy. I don’t get to
> choose my method of power generation and
On 18/Jul/18 17:20, Julien Goodwin wrote:
> Living in Australia this is an every day experience, especially for
> content served out of Europe (or for that matter, Africa).
>
> TCP & below are rarely the biggest problem these days (at least with
> TCP-BBR & friends), far too often
On 18/Jul/18 21:30, Michel Py wrote:
> Not much at all, I was actually trying you do do the RPKI part for me ;-)
> This script you wrote, to produce the list of prefixes that are RPKI invalid
> AND that do not have any alternative, make it run every x minutes on a fixed
> url (no date/time
On 18/Jul/18 17:35, Brielle Bruns wrote:
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>
> Customers are still harping on me about going wireless on all of their
> desktops. Since most of our customers are CAD/Design/Building
> companies, during planning, we insist on at least two drops to each
> workstation, preferably 3 or more.
>
On 19/Jul/18 01:21, Job Snijders wrote:
> @ all - It would be good if operators ask their vendors if they can get
> behind this I-D https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-clarify
I'm actually glad to see this (Randy, you've abandoned me, hehe).
We actually hit and troubleshot both
> Job Snijders wrote :
> Can you elaborate what routers with what software you are using? It surprises
> me a bit to find routers anno 2018 which can't do OV in some shape or form.
They're not anno 2018 ! Cisco 3900 with 4 Gigs. Good enough for me, with the
current growth of the DFZ I may have
Mark,
>> Michel Py wrote:
>> If I understand this correctly, I have a suggestion : update these files at
>> a regular interval (15/20 min) and make them available for download with a
>> fixed name
>> (not containing the date). Even better : have a route server that announces
>> these prefixes
Whats WiFi? Is that the "noise" that escapes from the copper cables? Switch
to optical fibre, it does not emit RF noise ...
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The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a
lot about anticipated traffic volume.
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On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 07:30:48PM +, Michel Py wrote:
> Not in lieu, but when deploying RPKI is not (yet) possible. My
> routers are not RPKI capable, upgrading will take years (I'm not going
> to upgrade just because I want RPKI).
Can you elaborate what routers with what software you are
On 17/Jul/18 19:55, Job Snijders wrote:
> There are ~ 330 IPv6 invalids in the DFZ, and for 70 of those no
> alternative covering prefix exists.
Thanks, Job.
Mark.
On 17/Jul/18 20:33, Michel Py wrote:
> If I understand this correctly, I have a suggestion : update these files at a
> regular interval (15/20 min) and make them available for download with a
> fixed name (not containing the date).
> Even better : have a route server that announces these
https://www.ignitenet.com/wireless-backhaul/
https://www.siklu.com/product/multihaul-series/
https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_dish
https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_60g_ap
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On 18/Jul/18 00:01, Saku Ytti wrote:
> Already fairly common in Finland to have just LTE dongle for Internet,
> especially for younger people. DNA quotes average consumption of 8GB
> per subscriber per month. You can get unlimited for 20eur/month, it's
> much faster than DSL with lower
On 18/Jul/18 14:00, K. Scott Helms wrote:
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> That's absolutely a concern Mark, but most of the CPE vendors that
> support doing this are providing enough juice to keep up with their
> max forwarding/routing data rates. I don't see 10 Gbps in residential
> Internet service being normal for
On 18/Jul/18 14:11, Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://www.ignitenet.com/wireless-backhaul/
> https://www.siklu.com/product/multihaul-series/
>
> https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_dish
> https://mikrotik.com/product/wap_60g_ap
There is a product for everything; doesn't mean it'll make
I encourage my competitors to not implement those products in their networks.
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From: "Mark Tinka"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent:
Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is (and
can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both inside the
service provider's network) when the customer is concerned with traffic to
and from point C off in someone else's network altogether. It's one of
On 18/Jul/18 14:40, K. Scott Helms wrote:
> Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is
> (and can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both
> inside the service provider's network) when the customer is concerned
> with traffic to and from point C
I got a whole bunch overnight as well.
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From: "Andy Ringsmuth"
To: "NANOG list"
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24:51 PM
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On 17/Jul/18 17:52, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Most ISPs I know build their own last mile.
There's a whole world out there...
Mark.
On 17/Jul/18 18:07, Mike Hammett wrote:
> The problem cited is the last 100', not the last mile.
>
> For ISPs using 60 GHz for the last mile, a wire is ran from the outdoor
> antenna to the indoor router.
Yeah, the question was rhetorical.
I personally don't see ISP's using 60GHz to
That's absolutely a concern Mark, but most of the CPE vendors that support
doing this are providing enough juice to keep up with their max
forwarding/routing data rates. I don't see 10 Gbps in residential Internet
service being normal for quite a long time off even if the port itself is
capable
On 17/Jul/18 18:12, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home has
> 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 200 amps at one time? Highly
> highly unlikely. But if my electrical utility wanted to advertise “200 amp
> service in all
On 17/Jul/18 19:45, James Bensley wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Our field engineers have 1G testers, but even at 1G they are costly
> (in 2018!), so none have 10Gbps or higher testers and we also only do
> this for those that demand it (i.e. no 20Mbps EFM customer ever asks
> for a JSDU/EXO test,
On 17/Jul/18 19:44, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> Re: 10gb TTH
>
> Just a thought:
>
> Do they need 10gb? Or do they need multiple 1gb (e.g.) channels which
> might be cheaper and easier to provision?
In my house, for example, I only have a single fibre core coming into my
house (single fibre
Check your Google portal for more information as to what Google can do with BGP
Communities related to reporting.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
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From: "K. Scott Helms"
To:
More speedtest and quality reporting sites\services (including internal to big
content) seem more about blaming the ISP than providing the ISP usable
information to fix it.
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Mike Hammett
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On 18/Jul/18 15:24, Mike Hammett wrote:
> More speedtest and quality reporting sites\services (including internal to
> big content) seem more about blaming the ISP than providing the ISP usable
> information to fix it.
Agreed.
IIRC, this all began with http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:01 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
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> Personally, I don't think the content networks and CDN's should focus on
> developing yet-another-speed-test-server, because then they are just
> pushing the problem back to the ISP. I believe they should better spend
> their time:
>
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Mike,
What portal would that be? Do you have a URL?
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> Check your Google portal for more information as to what Google can do
> with BGP Communities related to reporting.
>
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Fast.com will pull from multiple nodes at the same time. I think there were
four streams on the one I looked at, two to the on-net OCA and two that went
off-net elsewhere. One of those off-net was in the same country, but very not
near.
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From: "K. Scott Helms"
To: "Mike Hammett"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 8:45:22 AM
Subject: Re:
https://isp.google.com
Thought I think this is only for when you have peering, someone can correct me
if that's incorrect.
ns
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