On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:17 AM Keith Medcalf wrote:
> I am curious -- what exactly are those "obvious reasons"? (And for the
> record HTTP *IS* being used, it is just being tunneled inside a TLS
> connection).
For a popular site, it would be doing a disservice to its customers by
not using
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, at 19:35, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
> How absolutely awful that must be, to always be relegated to slow and
> insecure childrens band. I turn off childrens band (WiFi) on my phone
> with extreme prejudice and it stays that way. I have yet to meet a
> childrens band
NANOG,
We've recently signed contract of colocation + IP transit with a local
provider in Northern Virginia.
Co-location services is okay but we found something unusual on our IP
transit invoices.
- Va Personal Property Tax Recovery (1.8%)
- Cost Recovery Surcharge (3%)?
We've talked with our
On 1/6/20 9:39 AM, Siyuan Miao wrote:
- Va Personal Property Tax Recovery (1.8%)
- Cost Recovery Surcharge (3%)?
These sound like your typical BS "authorized fees" many carriers at all
levels love to levy. They're basically attempting to itemize various
regulatory (i.e. regulations they
It seems to me the cable companies started this long ago to account
for various local taxes being levied upon them in different
jurisdictions. They figured "why should someone in this county make
us less money than someone in another county", so they leveled the
field by breaking the taxes
On 22 Sep 2019, at 8:52 AM, Tim Burke mailto:t...@tburke.us>>
wrote:
That is just The Cogent Way™, unfortunately. I just had (yet another) Cogent
rep spam me using an email address that is _only_ used as an ARIN contact,
trying to sell me bandwidth. When I called him out on it, with
I've checked my contract and there's a line:
> If ’s costs to provide services to Customer increase due to
reasons beyond ’s control, including annual escalations imposed
by facility providers (often referred to as “Facility Cost Recovery
Surcharges”), has the right to increase the fees paid by
Had a similar issue where a provider would slap a ~10% "FCC Regulatory
Surcharge" (not specified in the contract) on IP transit delivered in Canada.
We spent multiple hours trying to resolve the issues. I ended up by de-peering
from the three letter name company. They were the only one doing
This may be the case for single family homes, but bringing ftth into MDUs
can be very ezpensive, as building want to charge entry fees, etc.
Same goes for commercial buildings.
5G fixed wireless allows wireless to be used for the last mile, with the
user still taking advantage of WiFi indoors.
GLONASS rollover.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: "Brandon Price"
To: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" , "Jared Mauch"
Cc: "nanog list"
Sent: Thursday, January 2,
Have you looked here [1]?
They even produced a short video telling you how to request ASN resources.
[1] https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/asn/
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:43 PM thomas brenac via NANOG
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Happy new year everyone.
>
> I know ARIN is very strict with IP
Only if it was the Russian Air Force...
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:31 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>
> “It’s a glitch in the Matrix.”
>
> Momentarily donning my tinfoil hat here, as I certainly don’t claim to know
> the nitty gritty of how GPS timing works, but…
>
> What if, since the GPS system is
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:30 AM William Herrin wrote:
> If it's not written in to your contract, it's a breach of contract. Either
> way it's a deceitfully imposed surcharge, not a state tax. Virginia does not
> tax the sale of services like transit and colo. More, the only personal
>
Greetings,
This email is a response to
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-January/105058.html
in which Forrest discussed GPS time sync issues today.
The galmon.eu project also monitors GPS, and one thing we found is that at
20:39:47 UTC today, which is near 2PM MST, GPS PRN 29
VoWIFI from your cell phone is essentially the same thing, except your
phone has to build a tunnel to the providers EPC via an SGW because of the
untrusted connectivity.
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 12/30/19 4:41 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
>
> Look up VoLTE.
>
>
> Yeah
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 08:45:11AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote:
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> > Silicon Valley is typically out of touch with reality.
> >
[...]
> If I have an old tablet that my kids use to do wikipedia and are now
> locked out, that’s forcing an
In locations with high population densities, there is nothing you can do to
LTE to provide adequate service.
Shane
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 8:46 AM Mike Hammett wrote:
> Obviously if the technology is available, works well, and is reasonably
> priced, 5G it up. However, if you're adding small
I normally don't chime in here, because I'm not technically a network operator,
but I do know certs and PKI infrastructure.
Just wanted to point out that many situations where such security would be
desirable -- a repressive government, an overly surveilling employer -- have,
or can easily put
The following is from one ntpd instance in Chennai, India. We use Garmin
GPS 18x LVC receivers with our ntpd instances. ntpd interfaces directly
to the receiver using its NMEA driver and also receives a PPS signal
from the GPS receiver.
During last night, the ntpd process suddenly dropped its GPS
If by "strict" you mean that ARIN requires that you follow their published
rules, then yes, I suppose this could be called strict. But that's not a bad
thing. Getting an ASN only requires that you prove you have contracts with two
BGP-capable upstream providers. There is no shortage of ASNs.
On 22 Sep 2019, at 8:52 AM, Tim Burke mailto:t...@tburke.us>>
wrote:
That is just The Cogent Way™, unfortunately. I just had (yet another) Cogent
rep spam me using an email address that is _only_ used as an ARIN contact,
trying to sell me bandwidth. When I called him out on it, with
That's if you can get your fiber into the building. Due to commercial
agreements many residential MDUs don't allow competitive carriers. 4G
didn't have the bandwidth, but with 5G, they can compete.
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 4:10 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 1/5/20 1:05 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
> >
Both are quite likely to be negotiable.
FCC Cost Recovery fees are the federally mandated ones they are allowed to
pass on to you. Most anything else named 'Cost Recovery' is optional, and
so named to try and confuse you into thinking it's the mandatory stuff.
"Property Tax Recovery" charges are
Good News! But we still received several spams from Cogent for our RIPE and
APNIC ASNs.
From: NANOG On Behalf Of John Curran
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 11:43 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois
Importance: High
On 22 Sep 2019, at 8:52 AM, Tim
Verizon is already offering fixed access 5G service with unlimited data for
$50.00/month in five cities.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 3:56 AM Mark Tinka wrote:
>
>
> On 1/Jan/20 17:35, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
>
> >
> > If the mobile companies are providing the WiFi routers they can
> > control it
I’ve always pondered the difference between compute in the tower over compute
in a well-connected metro data center. Yet to find it for any use case except
the 5G x86 supporting infrastructure.
Justin
From: NANOG on behalf of Mike Hammett
Date: Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 9:10 AM
To:
Not sure about 320+ ports. But I've used the Huawei MA5616 with decent
success. They've got 32 port ADSL2+ (And VDSL) line cards that give you 128
ports per chassis. POTS passthrough per card.
Don't expect any support. Pretty sure they're not intended for the US
market.
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at
Wikipedia deprecated 1.0 and 1.1 on Jan 1, 2020.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla are all deprecating 1.0 and 1.1 in
their browsers by March 2020. Chrome will start showing warnings about 1.0
and 1.1 I think next week?
This isn't an assault on the free flow of information.
On Tue, Dec 31,
Hi all,
We've been trying to get in contact with Sony and/or Akamai to resolve an IP
blacklisting issue.
Support is not useful, and our customers are complaining.
If anyone has a POC for somebody over at Sony or PSN who can help us resolve
these issues, it would be much appreciated!
We're
GPS != GLONASS
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:32 PM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> “It’s a glitch in the Matrix.”
>
> Momentarily donning my tinfoil hat here, as I certainly don’t claim to
> know the nitty gritty of how GPS timing works, but…
>
> What if, since the GPS system is operated by the US Air
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 9:42 AM thomas brenac via NANOG
wrote:
> I know ARIN is very strict with IP transfers at least from ARIN to ARIN.
> I know they require very detailed information. Curious if someone in the
> list know if they are equally strict when issuing an ASN and/or have a
> recent
thank you thank you thank you
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:44 AM John Curran wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2019, at 8:52 AM, Tim Burke wrote:
>
>
> That is just The Cogent Way™, unfortunately. I just had (yet another)
> Cogent rep spam me using an email address that is _only_ used as an ARIN
> contact,
What is the vendor-lock scene like in the world of OLT optics? Is it as bad as
Ethernet optics? If it exists, is there actually a good reason for it (other
than money)?
Have any of you tried third-party optics in Zhone gear?
Have any of you tried FS OLT optics in anything but ZTE and
Phones aren't the only devices supported by mobile networks. There are many
other devices. My laptop for example has a 4G SIM card, as does my MiFi.
Sometimes my phone needs to be used as a hotspot to support multiple
devices.
All of these are based on current use cases, ignoring use cases that
The reason IoT comes into play with 5G is desification. A 4G base station
can support X number of UE (User Equipment - phones, mifis, CatM IoT
modems, etc) based on the LTE protocol. 5G allows X times N number of UE's
per base station, which will allows the network to support the planned
Yes, lots of our key wireless network timing elements reported GPS
timing sync failure during the past two hours.
Appears to be resolving now, within the past few minutes.
On 12/31/2019 02:08 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Is anyone else seeing GPS timing source outages across the U. S. In the last
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:18 PM William Herrin wrote:
>
> AFAIK, that's not correct. T-Mobile does provide IPv4 *on the device*
> but translates it to IPv6 (464xlat) before the packets leave the
> device for the network.
>
If only for that hotspot which I think is IPv4 only.
--
Joe Hamelin,
Hi,
Happy new year everyone.
I know ARIN is very strict with IP transfers at least from ARIN to ARIN.
I know they require very detailed information. Curious if someone in the
list know if they are equally strict when issuing an ASN and/or have a
recent experience on the matter ?
Thanks you
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:54 AM Christopher Morrow
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:30 AM William Herrin wrote:
>
> > If it's not written in to your contract, it's a breach of contract. Either
> > way it's a deceitfully imposed surcharge, not a state tax. Virginia does
> > not tax the sale
Not having available for use, yes. But mandating it?
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 3:58 AM Yang Yu wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:17 AM Keith Medcalf wrote:
> > I am curious -- what exactly are those "obvious reasons"? (And for the
> > record HTTP *IS* being used, it is just being tunneled
Tried again and failed again. Perhaps it's time to go to CoreSite directly
and cancel the contract.
> Cost Recovery Surcharge (CRS) is to recover costs charged to
by the infrastructure providers to comply with government regulatory
requirements and proceedings, including costs associated with
ARIN has repeatedly informed Cogent that their use of the ARIN Whois for
solicitation is contrary to the terms of use and that they must stop. Despite
ARIN’s multiple written demands to Cogent to cease these prohibited activities,
ARIN has continued to receive complaints from registrants that
> John Curran wrote :
> For this reason, ARIN has suspended Cogent Communications' use of ARIN's
> Whois database effective today and continuing for a period of six months.
THANK YOU !
Michel.
Over the weekend, tests confirmed that all of these issues are related to a
end of the year GLONASS day rollover bug in the GNSS receiver. A power
cycle seems to correct it until the next rollover in 2024.
If you're still seeing these issues then power cycle the device using a
method
On 1/6/20 9:21 AM, Tom Beecher wrote:
"Property Tax Recovery" charges are also to my knowledge 100% optional
fees. It's the carrier charging you a fee so they can pay their property
taxes. Somehow, this sort of thing is legal.
I mean, it's legal if someone signed an agreement that says they
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:17 AM Tom Beecher wrote:
> Both are quite likely to be negotiable.
>
> FCC Cost Recovery fees are the federally mandated ones they are allowed to
> pass on to you. Most anything else named 'Cost Recovery' is optional, and
> so named to try and confuse you into thinking
I think you are overestimating the existing network in most cases. And I say
this based on first hand experience at $dayjob MNO.
Shane
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 9:10 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> devices.
Was there ever any additional information to come out about this? My Cambuim
lost sync starting at 21:00:23 UTC 12/31/2019 and didn’t come back until I
rebooted the unit…
Brandon Price
Senior Network Engineer
City of Sherwood, Sherwood Broadband
Desk: 503.625.4258
Cell: 971.979.2182
From:
No issues to report from Miami, FL. Clocks are marked as stable and keeping
good time.
Ryan
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 17:08, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone else seeing GPS timing source outages across the U. S. In the last
> two hours?
smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME cryptographic
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 6:40 AM Siyuan Miao wrote:
> NANOG,
>
> We've recently signed contract of colocation + IP transit with a local
> provider in Northern Virginia.
>
> Co-location services is okay but we found something unusual on our IP
> transit invoices.
>
> - Va Personal Property Tax
Look up VoLTE.
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 7:39 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
>
> On 12/30/19 4:19 PM, Brandon Martin wrote:
> >
> > I really don't want to go diving down the 3GPP document hole...
>
>
> Yeah, no kidding. It's like acronym soup. I've been trying all afternoon
> to figure out vowifi and
Matt,
I saw a similar issue today with Cambium PMP450i’s losing sync from our
PacketFlux rack injectors. May not be useful information to you know
considering there’s chatter about this already on social media.
Thanks,
Bryton J. Herdes
Network Engineer
Jackson Electric Cooperative
100
Hello everyone,
This email got stuck in the moderator queue for 6 days, I don't know why. I
am pretty sure I subscribed from the right email address.
But, by now this email has been overtaken by events. The more likely source
of the outage now appears to have been the GLONASS year rollover
When they spam me I typically just ask if they have IPv6 to Google and never
hear back…
From: NANOG on behalf of David Guo via NANOG
Reply-To: David Guo
Date: Monday, January 6, 2020 at 11:06 AM
To: John Curran , "nanog@nanog.org"
Subject: RE: FYI - Suspension of Cogent access to ARIN Whois
De : NANOG de la part de Sabri Berisha
Envoyé : samedi 4 janvier 2020 22:40
À : Mark Tinka
Cc : nanog
Objet : Re: 5G roadblock: labor
- On Jan 3, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
Hi,
>> I don't know about you, but I rarely use
I hate composing email on my phone. I always seems to mangle something.
Clarification: On the RackInjector, you can power cycle the GNSS receiver
using a button on the GNSS status page.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 9:00 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> Over the
“It’s a glitch in the Matrix.”
Momentarily donning my tinfoil hat here, as I certainly don’t claim to know the
nitty gritty of how GPS timing works, but…
What if, since the GPS system is operated by the US Air Force, there was
something slipped into the GPS system relating to timing or
On 1/5/20 10:45 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 5/Jan/20 23:10, Michael Thomas wrote:
Aren't commercial and MDU just terminating the fiber at the building
and sending ethernet where it's needed?
Shane is right - some commercial buildings can make your life difficult
when trying to bring in
Sabri Berisha писал 2020-01-06 16:21:
- On Jan 5, 2020, at 10:07 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu
wrote:
I predict that
your in-flight wifi will become a lot cheaper as a result of this.
Thanks,
Sabri
On Lufthansa flights unlimited Internet access is 12 Euro, and 3 Euro is
for
On 1/6/20 2:42 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
- On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote:
Hi,
On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low
orbit.
But at what cost to latency? Sounds like gamers would
On 1/6/20 11:05 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
What is the vendor-lock scene like in the world of OLT optics? Is it as
bad as Ethernet optics? If it exists, is there actually a good reason
for it (other than money)?
My experience has been that it's arguably worse. Some sort of vendor
lock is
On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low
orbit. This means that in order to serve a particular region, one must
deploy a constellation of satellites in order to ensure that at least one
transponder is always covering the
>
> There are some wi-fi vendors who I know (and am currently testing) that
> have developed very cool centralized management tools for their wi-fi
> AP's, that include very interesting AI logic. It is pricier than a
> simple standalone enterprise-grade AP, or an AP you'll get from down the
>
On 6/Jan/20 23:04, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> Seems to me that should be a pretty big consideration before signing a
> lease. But what I was really getting at is fiber to the building, with
> distribution unspecified. At least here in California -- the land of a
> million suburbs -- it's
On 6/Jan/20 23:51, Andrey Kostin wrote:
>
> On Lufthansa flights unlimited Internet access is 12 Euro, and 3 Euro
> is for "checking email". Don't think it's going to be cheaper, but
> higher speed - yes, definitely.
There is a certain joy that comes with being disconnected from the
world,
- On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Andrey Kostin ank...@podolsk.ru wrote:
Hi,
> Sabri Berisha писал 2020-01-06 16:21:
> I predict that your in-flight wifi will become a lot cheaper as a result
> of this.
> On Lufthansa flights unlimited Internet access is 12 Euro, and 3 Euro is
> for "checking
Am 06.01.20 um 16:58 schrieb David Guo via NANOG:
> Good News! But we still received several spams from Cogent for our RIPE
> and APNIC ASNs.
They seem to look at changes in more databases than just ARIN...
Several months ago I received a new ASN from RIPE for a company that is in
business for
- On Jan 5, 2020, at 10:07 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
Hi,
> On 5/Jan/20 22:37, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>
>>
>> My instinct tells me it will be some form of low earth orbit satellites. In
>> the past I worked for a GEO satellite ISP and while that technology has its
>>
On 1/6/20 1:47 PM, William Herrin wrote:
If you're not multihomed, buy a $20 virtual server from Vultr or a
comparable cloud service, read about the BGP service they provide (BGP
via two providers is what will make you multihomed), set up a VPN from
there back to your site and then see
On 6/Jan/20 23:21, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>
> It's actually the other way around. Geostationary satellites are exactly
> that: fixed in one location. Your dish always points to the same point in
> the sky. On the satellite side, transponders cover a specific geographic
> region at all times.
>
>
On 6/Jan/20 23:46, Andrey Kostin wrote:
>
> I'm talking only about last mile access.
As a last mile technology, yes, wireless is fine. We use it today for
4G/LTE; it is a last mile.
But as a backhaul technology, it won't do. You need wire for that, at
least in 2020 anyway.
> Wireless is
John D'Ambrosia писал 2020-01-05 07:48:
Sabri
At the very end you note 100base-t as a precursor to 400g. 100baset
really found its success as an access solution - computer connections.
400GbE will be an aggregation / core solution. It will be some time
if ever where 400GbE is used as an
On 1/5/20 10:39 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:
On 5/Jan/20 22:56, Michael Thomas wrote:
It occurs to me that what we're really quibbling about here is where
fiber ends.
Indeed.
The notion that wireless will replace fibre is misplaced. Wireless is
just so prevalent because folk don't want to be
Mark Tinka писал 2020-01-04 00:43:
On 4/Jan/20 00:26, Andrey Kostin wrote:
Could be true very soon. When supporting cable infrastructure will
become too expensive they will cut it in lieu of mobile, like many
railways were decomissioned earlier. Must be a local tipping point in
each area but
On 6/Jan/20 23:32, Michael Thomas wrote:
> Or not. It has always amazed me at how backward the bay area is wrt
> networking. The only one installing ftth in San Francisco is a small
> company called Sonic (that I'm aware of). And it's taking them years
> and years and years. The local telco's
On 6/Jan/20 23:44, Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> But at what cost to latency? Sounds like gamers would probably hate it.
If the average consumer is the target market, we really might as well
terraform Mars :-).
Mark.
- On Jan 6, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote:
Hi,
> On 1/6/20 1:21 PM, Sabri Berisha wrote:
>>
>> Low Earth Orbit satellites do not have a fixed position and move in a low
>> orbit.
> But at what cost to latency? Sounds like gamers would probably hate it.
Oneweb claims
On 7/Jan/20 01:45, Paul Nash wrote:
>>
>> Depending on what you are after, folk like Ruckus and Cisco have had
>> centrally-managed enterprise WiFi for many years.
I'm not talking about your garden-variety WLAN Controller.
Mark.
Yeah this raises a great point - I'm curious how ARIN is differentiating
between cogent and cogens customers when monitoring for prohibited access.
Particularly those customers whose IPs belong to and are announced by
Cogent.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 10:38 PM Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
> — shifting a
ARIN has suspended service for all Cogent-registered IP address blocks.
Customers with their own IP blocks blocks that are simply being announced by
Cogent are not affected.
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On Jan 6, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Ross Tajvar
Could someone from Frontier give me a hand with one of your customers that
appears to have a fios connection out of coresite in LA.
Soon would be good. :)
/William Manning
310.322.8102
very interesting, so it will have quite a bit of collateral impact on
innocent cogent customers? I like this, because merely removing cogents
access probably wouldn't sway them much.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 8:30 PM John Curran wrote:
> ARIN has suspended service for all Cogent-registered IP
— shifting a side thread
John,
I have no stake in this, so far, but I have a few questions.
Can you define exactly what services have been blocked? IRR/ROA/TLA
registry updates, etc? Were they blocked ^174 or 174$? This is a precedent
AFAIK. I’d like to understand consequences. In case I
On 6 Jan 2020, at 11:43 PM, Stephen Wilcox
mailto:swil...@ixreach.com>> wrote:
Out of interest, what does it take to have an ARIN contract or core ARIN
services revoked? Is there such a threshold, does breach of contract ever
result in consequential action?
This seems more like a talking
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