Re: Searching for a quote

jon postel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Jason Iannone jason.iann...@gmail.com wrote: There was once a fairly common saying attributed to an early networking pioneer that went something like, be generous in what you accept, and send only the stuff

Re: Searching for a quote

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: jon postel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel Had he lived, email and netnews would have remained usable by mere mortals and met the challenge of extreme growth and abuse. And ICANN, and for that netsol, wouldn't have

Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:07 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: I don't know many schools that are open at midnight to accept thumb drives. I think he was trying to point out that most school libraries, and their computer labs, open before classes start. Ice never heard of a school

Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 04/03/2015 16:26, Dave Taht wrote: A geeky household with dad doing skype, mom uploading to facebook, a kid doing a game, and another kid doing netflix, however, is common. And, it is truly amazing how many households have

Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Chuck Church chuckchu...@gmail.com wrote: Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download speed, figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the most part, uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the general

Re: Bufferbloat related censorship at Virgin Media

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Mel Beckman m...@beckman.org wrote: Dave, I appreciate all your work on buffer bloat. It looks like you have done quite a lot of selfless contribution. However, I don't think you're effectively communicating with the people who can change things. After I

Re: Bufferbloat related censorship at Virgin Media

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Jack Bates jba...@paradoxnetworks.net wrote: On 3/1/2015 5:28 PM, Dave Taht wrote: My IP address is apparently now banned from accessing your site at all, for advertising, on this thread: http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-to-152Mb/Bufferbloat-High

Re: content regulation, was Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Mar 1, 2015, at 14:01 , John R. Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Well, actually, it does. Every broadband network in the US currently blocks outgoing port 25 connections from retail customers. Unfortunately, that's not

Bufferbloat related censorship at Virgin Media

settings to use - to help your customers fix your problems for themselves. Sincerely, Dave Taht Co-founder, bufferbloat.net -- Dave Täht Let's make wifi fast, less jittery and reliable again! https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/TVX3o84jjmb

Re: Bufferbloat related censorship at Virgin Media

http://burntchrome.blogspot.com/2014/05/disabling-shaping-in-one-direction-with.html On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Jack Bates jba...@paradoxnetworks.net wrote: On 3/1/2015 6:14 PM, Dave Taht wrote: It is 100% possible to fix excessive downstream buffering from some misconfigured device

Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

I am not normally, willingly, on nanog. My emailbox is full enough. I am responding, mostly, to a post I saw last night, where the author complained about the horrid performance he got when attempting a simultaneous up and download on a X/512k upload DSL link. That is so totally fixable now, at

Re: Thousands of hosts on a gigabit LAN, maybe not

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 11:53 AM, John Levine jo...@iecc.com wrote: Some people I know (yes really) are building a system that will have several thousand little computers in some racks. Very cool-ly crazy. Each of the computers runs Linux and has a gigabit ethernet interface. It occurs to

Re: Rasberry pi - high density

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Barry Shein b...@world.std.com wrote: On May 9, 2015 at 00:24 char...@thefnf.org (char...@thefnf.org) wrote: So I just crunched the numbers. How many pies could I cram in a rack? For another list I just estimated how many M.2 SSD modules one could

Re: Updated prefix filtering

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Chaim Rieger chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote: Best example I’ve found is located at http://jonsblog.lewis.org/ http://jonsblog.lewis.org/ I too ran out of space, Brocade, not Cisco though, and am looking to filter prefixes. did anybody do a more recent or

Re: Rasberry pi - high density

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Clay Fiske c...@bloomcounty.org wrote: On May 8, 2015, at 10:24 PM, char...@thefnf.org wrote: Pi dimensions: 3.37 l (5 front to back) 2.21 w (6 wide) 0.83 h 25 per U (rounding down for Ethernet cable space etc) = 825 pi The parallella board is about the

Re: Consumer products with baked-in VLAN tagging

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:59 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 05/04/2015 03:32, Robert Seastrom wrote: As you may know if you've played around with recent Apple Airports (Express at least) in bridge mode with guest network turned on, they seem to know about 802.1q and have fairly

Re: Multi-gigabit edge devices as CPE

?), and that it took events like heartbleed to get the LF´s core infrastructure inititative funded, and, well, frankly, it is a long, long list of things that bug me that have accumulated... that I will try to keep off this list. Tim On 9 Apr 2015, at 10:42 am, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Multi-gigabit edge devices as CPE

2015, at 10:18 pm, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: So to return this to a more rational basis - why does an edge network need MPLS in the first place? -- Dave Täht Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware** https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/N8mZ5F5iSPU

Re: Consumer products with baked-in VLAN tagging

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Robert Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: On Apr 8, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: I do wish they had bufferbloat-fighting queue managment on the ISP side, it is otherwise pretty good hardware. Again, I LOVE the apple gear - with stuart

Re: Multi-gigabit edge devices as CPE

On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Tim Raphael raphael.timo...@gmail.com wrote: Correct. But hopefully not far off now that there are x86 packages for simple MPLS operations. With a bit of luck an RSVP or LDP implementation isn't far behind. Just sitting around whining and waiting for someone

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Brandon Ross br...@pobox.com wrote: I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders. Oh good. Maybe my total lack of ever pursuing one of these things is actually a

Re: Residential VSAT experiences?

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Michael Conlen m...@conlen.org wrote: On Jun 22, 2015, at 4:39 PM, Nicholas Oas nicholas@gmail.com wrote: Would anyone mind sharing with me their first-hand experiences with residential satellite internet? Right now I am evaluating HughesNet Gen4 and

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Soultimately, what's the answer? A huge number of low cost, low power WAPs? Eager readers want to know. :) what was unclear about the following? +1 Randy Bush wrote: From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com Subject: Re:

Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: What gear was used at the last NANOG in SF? Was it indeed Xirrus? yes. but i would not blame the gear I would blame some of the gear. Very bad bufferbloat (up to 1.5 sec of latency) on the download direction.

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Tore Anderson t...@fud.no wrote: * Lorenzo Colitti Tethering is just one example that we know about today. In android's case I am perpetually bemused by the fact they use dnsmasq for tethered dhcp, and dnsmasq long ago added support for doing smarter things

Re: Anycast provider for SMTP?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: On 15/06/2015 19:09, William Herrin wrote: Anycast + TCP = much pain, for reasons which should be obvious. This was presented at some conference or other a couple of years ago:

Re: Apple ECN, Bufferbloat, CoDel (fwd)

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:13 AM, joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: On 6/15/15 6:19 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 06:20:31PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: Hi, I just want to bring to your attention the below talk (I am too lazy to re-write the whole email for this

Re: Anycast provider for SMTP?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 15 Jun 2015, at 15:05, Dave Taht wrote: I have been using anycast at a small scale on mesh networks, for dns, primarily. Works. Many of us have been using anycast at Internet scale for DNS for a couple of decades. I

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Victor Kuarsingh vic...@jvknet.com wrote: Nanog Folks: Philip Matthews and I are co-authors on an active draft within the IETF related to IPv6 routing design choices. To ensure we are gathering sufficient data we are looking for an expanded set of input from

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

I have completely lost track of the technical issues on this thread. I would like DHCP-PD support for acquiring a prefix for tethering, from both cellular, and from wifi, in android. A mobile (android is also used in settop boxes and devices like that) and pretty standard platform that I could

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Todd Underwood toddun...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:43 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:33:55 -0700, Dave Taht said: The core bits of what I don't understand about the flamage is how hard would it be for an end-user

Re: Anycast provider for SMTP?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: What about IPv6? We have a plan! We plan to be dead before customers demand IPv6. I am pretty sure the authors are still alive(?). and customer demand for ipv6 still holds strong, right? Does seem to be on the uptick! I have

Re: WiFi courses/vendors recommendation

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, James Laszko jam...@mythostech.com wrote: I don't have a vendor-agnostic answer for you on #1, but as far as a vendor - Ruckus Wireless. We are a partner who sells and deploys and the stuff is quite awesome for what you're looking for. I'd be happy to

Re: 300+ms of hotel wifi bufferbloat - peaking at 1.5 sec!

, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/01/2015 10:52 AM, Dave Taht wrote: I did the dslreports tests on the NANOG wifi while listening to srikanth today: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/593926 And my own (flent data also in this dir)... http://snapon.lab.bufferbloat.net/~d/nanog

Re: 300+ms of hotel wifi bufferbloat - peaking at 1.5 sec!

30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Dave Taht dave.t...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/578850 I would get a kick out of it if folk here tried this new speedtest periodically (on the cable setting) during the nanog conference. ;) There is a hires option for more detail on the resulting

300+ms of hotel wifi bufferbloat - peaking at 1.5 sec!

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/578850 I would get a kick out of it if folk here tried this new speedtest periodically (on the cable setting) during the nanog conference. ;) There is a hires option for more detail on the resulting charts... (or fiddled with flent (flent.org)) -- Dave Täht

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

OpenWrt has added support for many ipv6 and ipv4 methods as of their chaos calmer release, so you can experiment with any of thousands of home routers with: 6to4, 6in4, 6rd, dslite, hnetd, and dhcpv6 today. As for 4inX methods, well, the code exists in many cases, but there is still work to be

Re: Greenfield 464XLAT (In January)

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Bob Evans b...@fiberinternetcenter.com wrote: Actually , there is no better audience that I know of to ask this question. And my information might be more marketing related and hardware skeptical. My IPv6 direction choice was much easier than yours. You need

Re: Peering and Network Cost

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Max Tulyev max...@netassist.ua wrote: Hi Roderick, transit cost is lowering close to peering cost, so it is doubghtful economy on small channels. If you don't live in Amsterdam/Frankfurt/London - add the DWDM cost from you to one of major IX. That's the

Re: A multi-tenant firewall for an MSSP

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:27 AM, alvin nanog nano...@mail.ddos-mitigator.net wrote: hi On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Ramy Hashish ramy.ihash...@gmail.com wrote: We are planning to implement a multi-tenant FW/UTM and start providing security as a service, I would like to hear if anybody

Re: BRAS sugestion

Has anyone in the BRAS world paid attention to bufferbloat yet?

Re: sfp "computer"?

These have been around for a while and looked awesome. http://www.rad.com/10/Ethernet-Demarcation-SFP/24944/ There was a great ad for it to, not sure if it was this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMfi4NqlpRs Dave Täht I just lost five years of my life to making wifi better. And, now...

Re: Updated Ookla Speedtest Server Requirements

I dearly would like them to update the software to include a similar bufferbloat related test to what dslreports is doing. http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/results/bufferbloat?up=1 If you'd like a dslreports server instead... I know who to contact. :) Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and

the fcc vs wifi lockdown issue

I had hoped to have seen some discussion of what vint cerf, myself, linus torvalds, jim gettys, dave farber, and 260 others just cooked up as to solve the edge device, wifi, and iot security problems we face. Press release here:

Last call for signatures to the FCC on the wifi lockdown issue

?usp=sharing The principal signers (Dave Taht and Vint Cerf), are joined by many network researchers, open source developers, and dozens of developers of aftermarket firmware projects like OpenWrt. Prominent signers currently include: Jonathan Corbet, David P. Reed, Dan Geer, Jim Gettys, Phil

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Harald Koch c...@pobox.com wrote: On 9 July 2015 at 11:42, Matthew Huff mh...@ox.com wrote: What am I missing? Is it just the splitting on the sextet boundary that is an issue, or do people think people really need 64k subnets per household? It is wasting that

Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2015-07-08 at 21:03 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I wasn't aware that residential users had (intentionally) multiple layers of routing within the home. No, what they often have is multiple layers of nat. I was at a

Re: wanted: tool for traffic generation / characteristics / monitoring

we use flent heavily in the bufferbloat project for creating traffic like this and analyzing the resulting jitter, latency, and buffering. https://www.flent.org/ On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 6:47 PM, David Ramsey wrote: > You might also want to look at Ostinato (open source

Re: Ear protection

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > What are people using for ear protection for datacenters these days? Telecommuting, in my case. had to say it! :0 > I'm > down to my last couple of corded 3M 1110: > >

Re: ARIN Region IPv4 Free Pool Reaches Zero

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Stephen Satchell wrote: > On 09/24/2015 09:49 AM, Dovid Bender wrote: >> >> The issue now is convincing clients that they need it. The other >> issue is many software vendors still don't support it. > > > And this may trigger a refresh on

reliably detecting the presence of a bridge?

I am curious if there is some sort of igmp or other form of message that would reliably detect if a switch had a bridge on it. How could deviceA detect deviceC was a bridge in this case? deviceA -> ethernet switch -> deviceB ethernet switch -> deviceC with bridged wifi and

Re: [CVE-2015-7755] Backdoor in Juniper/ScreenOS

I think "unauthorized code" is still plausible newspeak for "bug". Why blame finger foo when you can blame terrorists?

Re: reliably detecting the presence of a bridge?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:19 PM, William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:48 AM, Dave Taht <dave.t...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I am curious if there is some sort of igmp or other form of message >> that would reliably detect if a switch ha

Re: reliably detecting the presence of a bridge?

In the end, there seems to be no "reliable" way to ask the network my question. But... WOW! Thank you all for your interesting and clever techniques!

Re: DHCPv6 PD & Routing Questions

y'all might want to look over the work of the ietf homenet working group for some insight into plans for dhcp-pd, and routing interactions, in the home and small business, at least. https://tools.ietf.org/wg/homenet/ some dhcpv6 specific info is spread around using the new hncp protocol.

multihoming

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 2:49 AM Masataka Ohta wrote: > > Mans Nilsson wrote: > > > Not everyone are Apple, "hp"[0] or MIT, where initial > > allocation still is mostly sufficient. > > The number of routing table entries is growing exponentially, > not because of increase of the number of ISPs,

Re: Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:00 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > Since, as you point out, use of the other addresses in 127.0.0.0/8 is not > particularly widespread, having a prefix > dedicated to that purpose globally vs. allowing each site that cares to > choose their own doesn’t seem like the

Re: Redeploying most of 127/8, 0/8, 240/4 and *.0 as unicast

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:15 AM Nick Hilliard wrote: > > Joe Maimon wrote on 19/11/2021 14:30: > > Its very viable, since its a local support issue only. Your ISP can > > advise you that they will support you using the lowest number and you > > may then use it if you canall you may need is a

Re: IPv6 and CDN's

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 12:18 PM William Herrin wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 3:07 PM Michael Thomas wrote: > >> On 11/26/21 1:44 PM, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote: > >> Here are some maths and 1 argument kicking ass pitch for CFO’s that use > >> iphones. > >> Apple tells app devs to use

Re: WKBI #586, Redploying most of 127/8 as unicast public

I am sad to see the most controversial of the proposals (127/16) first discussed here. Try this instead? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schoen-intarea-unicast-lowest-address/ in my mind, has the most promise for making the internet better in the nearer term. Could I get y'all to put

Re: Redeploying most of 127/8, 0/8, 240/4 and *.0 as unicast

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 8:25 AM Jared Mauch wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 09:43:26AM -0800, Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > On 11/19/21 8:27 AM, Randy Bush wrote: > > > these measurements would be great if there could be a full research- > > > style paper, with methodology artifacts, and

traceroute with load?

Historically the bufferbloat effort has used irtt, ping, mtr in combination with a set of tcp flows to attempt to induce and graph the problem via the flent tool. I haven't thought all that much about ecmp or isolating the bloated hop until recently as an outgrowth of apple's networkQuality effort

Re: ONTs

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:08 PM Brandon Martin wrote: > > On 1/12/22 4:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > I would have to imagine any QOS/traffic shaping is done in the OMCI and > > hence would probably be in the GPON spec, g.984. I would look there. > > > > Just guessing it would hold true with

Re: home router battery backup

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 11:00 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Dave Taht said: > > I tend also to hang a good gps off a second usb port, if available. > > There's a topic for geeks - does anyone else really know (or care) > > what time it really is? > > 2

Re: home router battery backup

Has this xkcd gone by yet? https://xkcd.com/705/ I would actually like a study of how network "glitches" and outages affect more normal humanity. I did - and it took years to relax this much - finally get to the point to when the power went out, I'd take a walk, find a book, or do something

Re: home router battery backup

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 10:02 AM Ryland Kremeier wrote: > > Thanks for this! Definitely going to look into doing this! I typically run the ups monitor off a suitable openwrt box (most have at least one usb port) no need for a separate pi. I tend also to hang a good gps off a second usb port, if

Re: home router battery backup

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:56 AM Stephen Stuart wrote: > > [...] > > note that if your ups has a usb port, you can attach a raspberry pi > and run upsmon to be told (among other things) when the battery > requires replacement rather than rely on hearing the beeps. good for > the out-of-the-way

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:37 AM Adam Thompson > wrote: > >> Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question >> is. But I need to give _*something*_ to a customer who has the abilit

Re: Useful ping targets for end-users?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:37 AM Adam Thompson wrote: > Before you start reading, yes, I fully understand how silly this question > is. But I need to give _*something*_ to a customer who has the ability > to run ping/traceroute but nothing else. (And they have an intermittent > latency problem

Re: ONTs

rs? Been working on getting mikrotik up to speed on this incredibly long thread over here; https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=179307 > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On We

Re: home router battery backup

I too see very little gear protected by a UPS. In nicaragua, even, when I lived there, and the power flickered 6x times a day, "normal" people just accepted it. However, with the huge implosion of battery costs and increase in power from the cellphone revolution, and how little power most home

ONTs

Does anyone have any insight as to the OS and overall capabilities of various ONT's? Traffic shaping/QoS and statistics? On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:01 PM Shawn L via NANOG wrote: > > Yes. In our scenario the ONT is basically an ethernet bridge and provides a > SIP end-point for calls. There

Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re: 202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 11:30 PM Mark Andrews wrote: > > Given the draft lies about the status of 127/8. Words have meanings. > >When all of 127.0.0.0/8 was reserved for loopback addressing, IPv4 >addresses were not yet recognized as scarce. Today, there is no >justification for

Re udp port overload on ipv4 (was Re: V6 still not supported)

I am deeply concerned by the onrushing move to udp for QUIC, with udp the former province of voip, gaming, request/response and videoconferencing traffic. I certainly see natted udp ports get used up rapidly by various tools, and also see timeouts for reuse often below 30sec. IMHO, QUIC should

Re: V6 still not supported (was Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)

I am going to attend the WISPA conference in New Orleans next week. (anyone going?). I don't see any topics related to ipv6 there, nor as requirements for broadband grants. I first tried to deploy ipv6 at my wisp 14 years ago, and failed utterly. Since then, I've kept track of that market, and

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

The future belongs to wireless. Hopefully not 5g to any huge extent. If it helps any, wiline in the bay area has been delivering fixed wireless services for many, many years, 'round here. There's another technology - free space optics - that can get stuff across the street. I played around a lot

Re: Russian aligned ASNs?

I have always viewed our job has always been to keep the network running, no matter what. I just re-read this. https://craphound.com/overclocked/Cory_Doctorow_-_Overclocked_-_When_Sysadmins_Ruled_the_Earth-A4.pdf On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 4:16 PM Max Tulyev wrote: > > Better just apply EU

Re: Starlink terminals deployed in Ukraine

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:47 AM Dovid Bender wrote: > > From a quick google search it seems to be 14593. > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:48 PM Ong Beng Hui wrote: >> >> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ? >> >> That throw geo detection via IP out right away. One way to avoid

V4 via V6 and IGP routing protocols

Periodically I still do some work on routing protocols. 12? years ago I had kind of given up on ospf and isis, and picked the babel protocol as an IGP for meshy networks because I felt link-state had gone as far as it could and somehow unifying BGP DV with an IGP that was also DV (distance vector)

Re: V4 via V6 and IGP routing protocols

On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 12:04 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 4/3/22 13:55, Dave Taht wrote: > > > Periodically I still do some work on routing protocols. 12? years ago I had > > kind > > of given up on ospf and isis, and picked the babel protocol as an IGP >

Re: V4 via V6 and IGP routing protocols

routers with enough memory, switch back to an ibgp. Is there a lightweight bgp client worth fiddling with? gobgp looked interesting. Presently I run bird in some places On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 6:49 AM Masataka Ohta wrote: > > Dave Taht wrote: > > > Periodically I still do some

Re: V4 via V6 and IGP routing protocols

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 5:16 AM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 4/4/22 03:06, Dave Taht wrote: > > > I'm actually not here to start a debate... happy to learn that the v4 > > over v6 feature I'm > > playing with actually exists in another protocol, mainly. I'm >

Re: V4 via V6 and IGP routing protocols

The other question for this list I'd basically had was this: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6 > Please let me know if you feel that it should be possible to > completely disable v4-via-v6 even on newer kernels, and whether you > feel that v4-via-v6 should be

Re: VPN recommendations?

tailscale On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:24 AM Mark Wiater wrote: > > pfsense and opnsense both do fine with natted ipsec in the environmnets i've > tested. > > Isn't there an openvpn appliance too? > > On 2/10/2022 1:17 PM, Shawn L via NANOG wrote: > > Meraki MX series? > > > > I don't like the

Re: VPN recommendations?

tailscale is 3-clause BSD. there is a reverse engineered version of the rendezvous protocol also. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:41 PM John Gilmore wrote: > > Mike Lyon wrote: > > How about running ZeroTier on those Linux boxes and call it a day? > > https://www.zerotier.com/ > > ZeroTier is not

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

There are plenty of places with crappy dsl left in the US, 7mbit down/1mbit up being fairly common in many small towns. In my view, however, focusing on dragging fiber to farmland is kind of silly and better wireless tech (WISP) to be preferred, and in both the wireless and dsl cases, a real

Re: VPN recommendations?

at 10:12 AM Mike Lyon wrote: > > How about running ZeroTier on those Linux boxes and call it a day? > > https://www.zerotier.com/ > > I specifically cannot use general purpose Linux machines for this. I need > network appliances. > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:26 A

NTIA's RFC

I'd like to point y'all at NTIA's RFC for the many billion of upcoming USA broadband funds, here: https://ntia.gov/files/ntia/publications/fr-iija-broadband-rfc.pdf which has some really good questions on it (out of the 36), q12-16 in particular. Comments are due feb 4th, if anyone would like to

gitlab contact?

Most cloud operations websites are kept internal. gitlab's is not, which is pretty cool. In looking over this issue, today: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/gl-infra/production/-/issues/6768 They are tracking tcp syn retransmits, but not drops or other congestion control related info. And also

Re: So what do you think about the scuttlebutt of Musk interfering in Ukraine?

This is one of those threads where I do think folk would benefit from hearing from the horses' mouths. In a recent bio of musk published this past week, the author claimed that starlink withdrew service over crimea based on the knowledge it was going to be used for a surprise attack. Starlink -

what is acceptible jitter for voip and videoconferencing?

Dear nanog-ers: I go back many, many years as to baseline numbers for managing voip networks, including things like CISCO LLQ, diffserv, fqm prioritizing vlans, and running voip networks entirely separately... I worked on codecs, such as oslec, and early sip stacks, but that was over 20 years

Re: what is acceptible jitter for voip and videoconferencing?

On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 3:34 PM William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 6:28 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > > My understanding has always been that 30ms was set based on human > perceptibility. 30ms was the average point at which the average person > could start to detect artifacts in the

Re: what is acceptible jitter for voip and videoconferencing?

12:47 PM Tom Beecher wrote: > >> My understanding has always been that 30ms was set based on human >> perceptibility. 30ms was the average point at which the average person >> could start to detect artifacts in the audio. >> >> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 8:13 PM Dave

new net neutrality/title ii mailing list

Since network neutrality and title ii regulation is back in the news, and the issues so fraught with technical and political mis-conceptions, I have started a new mailing list to discuss it, and try (for once) to feed back valid techical feedback into the FCC´s normal processes. I kind of expect

Re: Congestion/latency-aware routing for MPLS?

We have been hoping to find use cases for the babel protocol's rtt metric, which builds on ideas from ntp, and is primarily used today in overlay networks: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-rtt-extension/ On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:17 AM Jason R. Rokeach via NANOG wrote: > > Hi

Re: Congestion/latency-aware routing for MPLS?

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:38 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > > Auto-bandwidth won't help here if the bandwidth reduction is 'silent' as > stated in the first message. A 1G interface , as far as RSVP is concerned, is > a 1G interface, even if radio interference across it means it's effectively a > 500M

Re: transit and peering costs projections

g someone at Google >> finally sees Houston as more than a third rate city hanging off of Dallas. >> Or… someone finally brings a worthwhile IX to Houston that gets us more than >> peering to Kansas City. Yeah, I think the former is more likely.  >> >> See y’all in San

transit and peering costs projections

This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data? https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about $900 - $1.4k (?) in

Re: transit and peering costs projections

place the routers in Dallas, aggregate the transit, IXP, and PNI's > there, and backhaul it over redundant dark fiber with DWDM waves or 400G > OpenZR? > > Ryan > > > From: NANOG on behalf of Tim Burke > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 202

starlink deluge test and 33 (-2) engine static fire

I know it is a bit off topic for nanog, but this test was very exciting today: https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1695158759717474379 Happy friday! While they have filed for a launch license for august 31st, it is impossible for me to believe that date! It was also difficult to believe the deluge

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