Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
With a Chelsio T5 you might get some decent pure routing / NAT performance with the right card mod, but as soon as it goes into firewall/ACL/QoS etc, performance will tank drastically. On Apr 18, 2016 7:49 AM, "Micah Croff" wrote: > I haven't tried to do 10Gb with it but

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
Jared Geiger" <ja...@compuwizz.net> > > To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> > > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:20:25 PM > > Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? > > > Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-18 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
inal Message - > From: "Jared Geiger" <ja...@compuwizz.net> > To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:20:25 PM > Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? > Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-18 Thread Jared Geiger
Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP+ ports on it. I don't know the status of hardware offload support though. https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgePoint_DS.pdf https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/ On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Doug McIntyre

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-18 Thread Micah Croff
I haven't tried to do 10Gb with it but pfSense isn't a horrible option. I've done 1G with left over computer parts and for the most part it works well. https://www.pfsense.org/ For "free" software it is pretty feature rich. Micah On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-18 Thread Andrew Thrift
This has not been the case for at least a year now. Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of like CEF in Cisco land. http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds"

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-17 Thread David Sotnick
Thanks for the replies, everyone! Much appreciated. I'm going to check out the Mikrotik CCR series out. Cheers, Dave On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: > Hello masters of the Internet, > > I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-16 Thread Doug McIntyre
On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote: > I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has > Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a > Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router. > > Which customer router would you

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
So after looking at the most recent testing I can find, it seems the that the 10Gbps CCR can indeed do more than 1Gbps per flow. It requires jumbo frames and fastpath compatible config to pull off. In short, you're still better off for the price using a L3 ASIC on a 10Gbps capable switch which

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
p://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > To: "Andrew Thrift" <and...@networklabs.co.nz> > Cc: &

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
: "Andrew Thrift" <and...@networklabs.co.nz> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:12:13 AM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and isn't sc

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and isn't scheduled to be fixed until 7.x when many features are rewritten to take advantage of multiple tile cores. Currently each port is pinned to a single cpu (affinity) due to latency and performance reasons - but yes

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-16 Thread Michael Brown
u can bake additional services onto it. M.   Original Message   From: Ken Chase Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 20:26 To: NANOG Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 has 2x SFP+, though their 'performa

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-16 Thread Kurt Kraut
I highly doubt that. It is not easy to configure, certainty trial and error approaches will generate low performance. I have Mikrotik CCR in production and everything the manufacturer states it does, it does for me. Best regards, Kurt Kraut Em 15 de abr de 2016 19:08, "Filip Hruska"

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Jerry Jones
SRX1500?

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
uot; <j...@kyneticwifi.com> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:11:54 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Can't do more than 1Gbps

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Josh Reynolds
change > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> > Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
e Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:32:17 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would be very unhappy. To each th

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Chase" <m...@sizone.org> To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 7:24:56 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? Does that lanner

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Josh Reynolds
;Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > To: "Filip Hruska" <f...@fhrnet.eu> > Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM > Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? > > As much as I enjoy Mik

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Mike Hammett
Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> To: "Filip Hruska" <f...@fhrnet.eu> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? As much as I enjoy Mikrot

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:24:56 PM > Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? > Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like > 4210 > has > 2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with > 'useful'

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Ken Chase
Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 has 2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 'useful'. http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appliances/fw-8877 As for the microtics, wonky user

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Josh Reynolds
Would still need a Chelsio / Mellanox etc card, and even then you're not going to hit line rate if you have NAT or any traffic shaping enabled at all. Maybe with DPDK/netmap/pf_ring, but that would be some pretty custom work. On Apr 15, 2016 6:47 PM, "Michael Brown"

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Michael Brown
Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (‎http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210) might suit your needs. M.   Original Message   From: David Sotnick Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 To: NANOG Subject: 10G-capable

RE: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Josh Reynolds
Different philosophy - strings attached. When I sell a service, either residential or business or DIA, the terms are clearly stated. If I were selling a multi-hundred dollar a month service, the CPE cost is minimal. If I don't offer a service that is at least *capable* of providing what I'm

RE: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Tony Wicks
Hmm, the chances of getting a single flow of more than 1gig to/from the "internet" is close to zero in a CPE situation. If the Connection is a service provider or similar sure, this limitation may well apply, but a home user (however high end), nope I just can't see it. If you need something

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread David Sotnick
Thanks Aaron. Unless something has changed recently, I don't think the Brocade ICX series does NAT either. On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Aaron wrote: > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential > customers we install Brocade ICXs. > >

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Josh Reynolds
As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" wrote: > Hi, > > I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this > situation. > >

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Chris Knipe
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. > On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, wrote: > > > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ > > support now.

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Filip Hruska
Hi, I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this situation. http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Josh Reynolds
Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, wrote: > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now. > > -Mike > > > On Apr 15, 2016, at

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread mike . lyon
Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now. -Mike > On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron wrote: > > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers > we

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

2016-04-15 Thread Aaron
Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential customers we install Brocade ICXs. Aaron On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: Hello masters of the Internet, I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is