Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

With a Chelsio T5 you might get some decent pure routing / NAT performance
with the right card mod, but as soon as it goes into firewall/ACL/QoS etc,
performance will tank drastically.
On Apr 18, 2016 7:49 AM, "Micah Croff"  wrote:

> I haven't tried to do 10Gb with it but pfSense isn't a horrible option.
> I've done 1G with left over computer parts and for the most part it works
> well.
>
> https://www.pfsense.org/
>
> For "free" software it is pretty feature rich.
>
> Micah
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello masters of the Internet,
> >
> > I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> > Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on
> a
> > Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> >
> > Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
> > IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
> also
> > supports IPv6).
> >
> > The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
> 2.2Gbps)
> > and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
> > stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
> >
> > I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to
> the
> > customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
> > (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

It does have limited static routing capability built in to the hardware
though, but no NAT.
On Apr 18, 2016 8:25 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

> double check the spec sheets, EP-s16 is a switch not a router..
> the smaller units are switch + routers.
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Jared Geiger" <ja...@compuwizz.net>
> > To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:20:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>
> > Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP+ ports on
> it.
> > I don't know the status of hardware offload support though.
> >
> > https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgePoint_DS.pdf
> > https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Doug McIntyre <mer...@geeks.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
> >> > I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> >> > Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
> on
> >> a
> >> > Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> >> >
> >> > Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to
> do
> >> > IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
> >> also
> >> > supports IPv6).
> >>
> >> FortiNet 600D?
> >> 36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports.
> >> Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the
> knobs).
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

double check the spec sheets, EP-s16 is a switch not a router..
the smaller units are switch + routers.

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jared Geiger" <ja...@compuwizz.net>
> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:20:25 PM
> Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

> Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP+ ports on it.
> I don't know the status of hardware offload support though.
> 
> https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgePoint_DS.pdf
> https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Doug McIntyre <mer...@geeks.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
>> > I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
>> > Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on
>> a
>> > Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>> >
>> > Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
>> > IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
>> also
>> > supports IPv6).
>>
>> FortiNet 600D?
>> 36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports.
>> Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the knobs).

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Jared Geiger]

Maybe the EdgePoint EP-S16 device from Ubiquiti. It has 2 SFP+ ports on it.
I don't know the status of hardware offload support though.

https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgePoint_DS.pdf
https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Doug McIntyre  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
> > I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> > Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on
> a
> > Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> >
> > Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
> > IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
> also
> > supports IPv6).
>
> FortiNet 600D?
> 36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports.
> Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the knobs).
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Micah Croff]

I haven't tried to do 10Gb with it but pfSense isn't a horrible option.
I've done 1G with left over computer parts and for the most part it works
well.

https://www.pfsense.org/

For "free" software it is pretty feature rich.

Micah

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick 
wrote:

> Hello masters of the Internet,
>
> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>
> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
> supports IPv6).
>
> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>
> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>
> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>
> -Dave
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Andrew Thrift]

This has not been the case for at least a year now.

Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack.  This is kind of like
CEF in Cisco land.

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack
On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM,  wrote:
>
> > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
> > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > > On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential
> > customers we install Brocade ICXs.
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
> > >> Hello masters of the Internet,
> > >>
> > >> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> > >> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
> > on a
> > >> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> > >>
> > >> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to
> do
> > >> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
> > also
> > >> supports IPv6).
> > >>
> > >> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
> > 2.2Gbps)
> > >> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability
> > to
> > >> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
> > >>
> > >> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel
> to
> > the
> > >> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco
> SG300-52P
> > >> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
> > >>
> > >> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
> > >>
> > >> -Dave
> > >
> > > --
> > > 
> > > Aaron Wendel
> > > Chief Technical Officer
> > > Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> > > (816)550-9030
> > > http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[David Sotnick]

Thanks for the replies, everyone! Much appreciated.

I'm going to check out the Mikrotik CCR series out.

Cheers,
Dave

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 1:18 PM, David Sotnick 
wrote:

> Hello masters of the Internet,
>
> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>
> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
> supports IPv6).
>
> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
> 2.2Gbps) and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the
> ability to stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>
> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to
> the customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>
> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>
> -Dave
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Doug McIntyre]

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 01:18:10PM -0700, David Sotnick wrote:
> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> 
> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
> supports IPv6).

FortiNet 600D?
36Gbps throughput with dual SFP+ port and several 1Gbps ports.
Specs say full NGFW throughput is 2.4Gbps (ie. you turn on all the knobs). 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

So after looking at the most recent testing I can find, it seems the that
the 10Gbps CCR can indeed do more than 1Gbps per flow. It requires jumbo
frames and fastpath  compatible config to pull off.

In short, you're still better off for the price using a L3 ASIC on a 10Gbps
capable switch which can do full line rate at the smallest packet sizes
with those limitations in mind.

MikroTik is indeed a good general purpose platform for many things.
Although the CLI IMO isn't as nice as JUNOS or Vyatta/EdgeOS (personal
preference here), many should not be so quick to dismiss it.
On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift"  wrote:

> This has not been the case for at least a year now.
>
> Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack.  This is kind of
> like CEF in Cisco land.
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack
> On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
>> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
>> > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
>> >
>> > -Mike
>> >
>> > > On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential
>> > customers we install Brocade ICXs.
>> > >
>> > > Aaron
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
>> > >> Hello masters of the Internet,
>> > >>
>> > >> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he
>> has
>> > >> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
>> > on a
>> > >> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>> > >>
>> > >> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs
>> to do
>> > >> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
>> > also
>> > >> supports IPv6).
>> > >>
>> > >> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
>> > 2.2Gbps)
>> > >> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the
>> ability
>> > to
>> > >> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel
>> to
>> > the
>> > >> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco
>> SG300-52P
>> > >> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>> > >>
>> > >> -Dave
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > 
>> > > Aaron Wendel
>> > > Chief Technical Officer
>> > > Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
>> > > (816)550-9030
>> > > http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
>> > > 
>> > >
>> >
>>
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

Facebook is for losers.

Forums are for closers. ;)
On Apr 16, 2016 9:21 AM, "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> If you were on FB, the TBW page would be a great venue. ;-)
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: "Andrew Thrift" <and...@networklabs.co.nz>
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>
> You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and
> isn't scheduled to be fixed until 7.x when many features are rewritten to
> take advantage of multiple tile cores.
>
> Currently each port is pinned to a single cpu (affinity) due to latency and
> performance reasons - but yes there are drawbacks when your per core clock
> is still in 1GHz territory.
>
> If you want to talk more about this, we can discuss.offlist or on the
> Mikrotik forum.
> On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift" <and...@networklabs.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> > This has not been the case for at least a year now.
> >
> > Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of
> > like CEF in Cisco land.
> >
> > http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path
> >
> > http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack
> > On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
> >> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
> >> > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
> >> >
> >> > -Mike
> >> >
> >> > > On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aa...@wholesaleinternet.net>
> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential
> >> > customers we install Brocade ICXs.
> >> > >
> >> > > Aaron
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
> >> > >> Hello masters of the Internet,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he
> >> has
> >> > >> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM
> port
> >> > on a
> >> > >> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs
> >> to do
> >> > >> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall
> (that
> >> > also
> >> > >> supports IPv6).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
> >> > 2.2Gbps)
> >> > >> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the
> >> ability
> >> > to
> >> > >> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP
> port-channel
> >> to
> >> > the
> >> > >> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco
> >> SG300-52P
> >> > >> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -Dave
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > 
> >> > > Aaron Wendel
> >> > > Chief Technical Officer
> >> > > Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> >> > > (816)550-9030
> >> > > http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> >> > > 
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Mike Hammett]

If you were on FB, the TBW page would be a great venue. ;-) 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



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- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: "Andrew Thrift" <and...@networklabs.co.nz> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:12:13 AM 
Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? 

You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and 
isn't scheduled to be fixed until 7.x when many features are rewritten to 
take advantage of multiple tile cores. 

Currently each port is pinned to a single cpu (affinity) due to latency and 
performance reasons - but yes there are drawbacks when your per core clock 
is still in 1GHz territory. 

If you want to talk more about this, we can discuss.offlist or on the 
Mikrotik forum. 
On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift" <and...@networklabs.co.nz> wrote: 

> This has not been the case for at least a year now. 
> 
> Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack. This is kind of 
> like CEF in Cisco land. 
> 
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path 
> 
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack 
> On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: 
> 
>> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. 
>> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ 
>> > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now. 
>> > 
>> > -Mike 
>> > 
>> > > On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aa...@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote: 
>> > > 
>> > > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential 
>> > customers we install Brocade ICXs. 
>> > > 
>> > > Aaron 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: 
>> > >> Hello masters of the Internet, 
>> > >> 
>> > >> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he 
>> has 
>> > >> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port 
>> > on a 
>> > >> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router. 
>> > >> 
>> > >> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs 
>> to do 
>> > >> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that 
>> > also 
>> > >> supports IPv6). 
>> > >> 
>> > >> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 
>> > 2.2Gbps) 
>> > >> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the 
>> ability 
>> > to 
>> > >> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps). 
>> > >> 
>> > >> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel 
>> to 
>> > the 
>> > >> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco 
>> SG300-52P 
>> > >> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks). 
>> > >> 
>> > >> Thanks in advance for your suggestions. 
>> > >> 
>> > >> -Dave 
>> > > 
>> > > -- 
>> > >  
>> > > Aaron Wendel 
>> > > Chief Technical Officer 
>> > > Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) 
>> > > (816)550-9030 
>> > > http://www.wholesaleinternet.com 
>> > >  
>> > > 
>> > 
>> 
> 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

You might ask Normis about that :) It has nothing to do with fastpath, and
isn't scheduled to be fixed until 7.x when many features are rewritten to
take advantage of multiple tile cores.

Currently each port is pinned to a single cpu (affinity) due to latency and
performance reasons - but yes there are drawbacks when your per core clock
is still in 1GHz territory.

If you want to talk more about this, we can discuss.offlist or on the
Mikrotik forum.
On Apr 16, 2016 12:51 AM, "Andrew Thrift"  wrote:

> This has not been the case for at least a year now.
>
> Most Mikrotik routers now support FastPath/FastTrack.  This is kind of
> like CEF in Cisco land.
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Fast_Path
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Wiki/Fasttrack
> On 16/04/2016 10:07 am, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
>> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
>> > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
>> >
>> > -Mike
>> >
>> > > On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential
>> > customers we install Brocade ICXs.
>> > >
>> > > Aaron
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
>> > >> Hello masters of the Internet,
>> > >>
>> > >> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he
>> has
>> > >> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
>> > on a
>> > >> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>> > >>
>> > >> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs
>> to do
>> > >> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
>> > also
>> > >> supports IPv6).
>> > >>
>> > >> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
>> > 2.2Gbps)
>> > >> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the
>> ability
>> > to
>> > >> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel
>> to
>> > the
>> > >> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco
>> SG300-52P
>> > >> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>> > >>
>> > >> -Dave
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > 
>> > > Aaron Wendel
>> > > Chief Technical Officer
>> > > Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
>> > > (816)550-9030
>> > > http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
>> > > 
>> > >
>> >
>>
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Michael Brown]

"‎2 NIC module slots supporting 1/10/40G/Fiber/Copper/Bypass"

Get one of those with a server class processor and and it's a server that looks 
like a spiffy network appliance. 
‎
‎Very general purpose if general purpose is what you need, quagga / openbgpd on 
‎bsd, yes. And you can bake additional services onto it.

M.

  Original Message  
From: Ken Chase
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 20:26
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 
has
2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 
'useful'.

http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appliances/fw-8877

As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats
my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models 
I found
their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus...

What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G solution
here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds.

/kc


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said:
>Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance 
>(???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210)
> might suit your needs.
>
>M.
>
>?? Original Message ??
>From: David Sotnick
>Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19
>To: NANOG
>Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>
>Hello masters of the Internet,
>
>I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
>Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
>Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>
>Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
>IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
>supports IPv6).
>
>The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
>and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
>stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>
>I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
>customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
>(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>
>Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>
>-Dave

Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Kurt Kraut]

I highly doubt that. It is not easy to configure, certainty trial and error
approaches will generate low performance.

I have Mikrotik CCR in production and everything the manufacturer states it
does, it does for me.

Best regards,

Kurt Kraut
Em 15 de abr de 2016 19:08, "Filip Hruska"  escreveu:

> Hi,
>
> I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this
> situation.
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
>> support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential
>>> customers we install Brocade ICXs.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
 Hello masters of the Internet,

 I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
 Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
 on a
 Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.

 Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
 IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
 also
 supports IPv6).

 The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
 2.2Gbps)
 and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability
 to
 stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).

 I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to
 the
 customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
 (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).

 Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

 -Dave

>>>
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Aaron Wendel
>>> Chief Technical Officer
>>> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
>>> (816)550-9030
>>> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Jerry Jones]

SRX1500?

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Mike Hammett]

CCRs do firewalling and NAT just great. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Chris Knipe" <sav...@savage.za.org> 
To: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:11:54 PM 
Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
wrote: 

> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application. 
> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM, <mike.l...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ 
> > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now. 
> > 
> > -Mike 
> 


Also it falls pretty much flat on it's face the moment you do anything 
useful in terms of firewalling / NATing. 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

:)
On Apr 15, 2016 8:45 PM, "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I'm glad you're in Missouri and not in my area. :-)
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net>
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:32:17 PM
> Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>
>
> If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would
> be very unhappy.
> To each their own.
> On Apr 15, 2016 8:29 PM, "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > wrote:
>
>
> The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow.
> Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
> To: "Filip Hruska" < f...@fhrnet.eu >
> Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org >
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>
> As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who
> use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product.
> On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" < f...@fhrnet.eu > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this
> > situation.
> >
> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
> >
> >
> >
> > On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
> >> support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
> >>
> >> -Mike
> >>
> >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron < aa...@wholesaleinternet.net > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential
> >>> customers we install Brocade ICXs.
> >>>
> >>> Aaron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
> >>>> Hello masters of the Internet,
> >>>>
> >>>> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> >>>> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
> >>>> on a
> >>>> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to
> do
> >>>> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
> >>>> also
> >>>> supports IPv6).
> >>>>
> >>>> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
> >>>> 2.2Gbps)
> >>>> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability
> >>>> to
> >>>> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco
> SG300-52P
> >>>> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Dave
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 
> >>> Aaron Wendel
> >>> Chief Technical Officer
> >>> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> >>> (816)550-9030
> >>> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Mike Hammett]

I'm glad you're in Missouri and not in my area. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:32:17 PM 
Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? 


If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would be 
very unhappy. 
To each their own. 
On Apr 15, 2016 8:29 PM, "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow. 
Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message - 

From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: "Filip Hruska" < f...@fhrnet.eu > 
Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM 
Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? 

As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who 
use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. 
On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" < f...@fhrnet.eu > wrote: 

> Hi, 
> 
> I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this 
> situation. 
> 
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC 
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: 
> 
>> Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ 
>> support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now. 
>> 
>> -Mike 
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron < aa...@wholesaleinternet.net > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential 
>>> customers we install Brocade ICXs. 
>>> 
>>> Aaron 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: 
>>>> Hello masters of the Internet, 
>>>> 
>>>> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has 
>>>> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port 
>>>> on a 
>>>> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router. 
>>>> 
>>>> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do 
>>>> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that 
>>>> also 
>>>> supports IPv6). 
>>>> 
>>>> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 
>>>> 2.2Gbps) 
>>>> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability 
>>>> to 
>>>> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps). 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to 
>>>> the 
>>>> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P 
>>>> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks). 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions. 
>>>> 
>>>> -Dave 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  
>>> Aaron Wendel 
>>> Chief Technical Officer 
>>> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) 
>>> (816)550-9030 
>>> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Mike Hammett]

Conversely, the UI is Mikrotik's big draw. :-) 

Being or not being like CIsco has zero bearing on me. Assuming the commands do 
what they say they'll do, any platform with tab complete is fine. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Chase" <m...@sizone.org> 
To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 7:24:56 PM 
Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? 

Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 
has 
2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 
'useful'. 

http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appliances/fw-8877
 

As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats 
my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models 
I found 
their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus... 

What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G 
solution 
here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds. 

/kc 


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said: 
>Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance 
>(???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210)
> might suit your needs. 
> 
>M. 
> 
>?? Original Message ?? 
>From: David Sotnick 
>Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19 
>To: NANOG 
>Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? 
> 
>Hello masters of the Internet, 
> 
>I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has 
>Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a 
>Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router. 
> 
>Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do 
>IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also 
>supports IPv6). 
> 
>The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps) 
>and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to 
>stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps). 
> 
>I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the 
>customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P 
>(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks). 
> 
>Thanks in advance for your suggestions. 
> 
>-Dave 

Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

If I were sold a $400/mo+ service that had a limitation like that, I would
be very unhappy.

To each their own.
On Apr 15, 2016 8:29 PM, "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow.
> Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: "Filip Hruska" <f...@fhrnet.eu>
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>
> As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who
> use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product.
> On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" <f...@fhrnet.eu> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this
> > situation.
> >
> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
> >
> >
> >
> > On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
> >> support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
> >>
> >> -Mike
> >>
> >> On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aa...@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential
> >>> customers we install Brocade ICXs.
> >>>
> >>> Aaron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
> >>>> Hello masters of the Internet,
> >>>>
> >>>> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> >>>> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
> >>>> on a
> >>>> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to
> do
> >>>> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
> >>>> also
> >>>> supports IPv6).
> >>>>
> >>>> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
> >>>> 2.2Gbps)
> >>>> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability
> >>>> to
> >>>> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel
> to
> >>>> the
> >>>> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco
> SG300-52P
> >>>> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Dave
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 
> >>> Aaron Wendel
> >>> Chief Technical Officer
> >>> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> >>> (816)550-9030
> >>> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Mike Hammett]

The CCRs' primary weaknesses are full tables and 1 gigabit cap per flow. 
Neither is likely to be an issue for this residential use case. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: "Filip Hruska" <f...@fhrnet.eu> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 5:12:35 PM 
Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations? 

As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who 
use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product. 
On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska" <f...@fhrnet.eu> wrote: 

> Hi, 
> 
> I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this 
> situation. 
> 
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC 
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: 
> 
>> Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ 
>> support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now. 
>> 
>> -Mike 
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron <aa...@wholesaleinternet.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there. For our 10G residential 
>>> customers we install Brocade ICXs. 
>>> 
>>> Aaron 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote: 
>>>> Hello masters of the Internet, 
>>>> 
>>>> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has 
>>>> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port 
>>>> on a 
>>>> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router. 
>>>> 
>>>> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do 
>>>> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that 
>>>> also 
>>>> supports IPv6). 
>>>> 
>>>> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 
>>>> 2.2Gbps) 
>>>> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability 
>>>> to 
>>>> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps). 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to 
>>>> the 
>>>> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P 
>>>> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks). 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions. 
>>>> 
>>>> -Dave 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  
>>> Aaron Wendel 
>>> Chief Technical Officer 
>>> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097) 
>>> (816)550-9030 
>>> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hope you all realize a few minor details:-

Mikrotik is a  ROS (Router Operating System), based on linux.
Mikrotik also makes hardware called RouterBoards.
  Having said that...
Mikrotik ROS runs on X86 platforms (such as Lanner or axiomtek)
Similarly you can also run linux on the Routerboard platforms.

Having said that... 
  Lanner & Axiomtek etc x86 appliances have one pcie slot, where you can 
install the NIC of your choice.
  Dual 10g SFP+ Intel Card or 2/4/6 port Hotlava Card, or Chelsio etc.

You can mix and match to suite your needs. 
Don't like RouterBoard or CCR's, no problem you can run MT ROS on an X86 
Platform of your choice.
These days you can even run it on a VM solution...
Don't like MT ROS, no problem feel free to run your choice of OS, and routing 
daemons. 
Want a high performance x86 Firewall... inexpensive.. look at Server-U, ask 
them about their custom solution with Chelsio Cards.
Don't like any of the above, feel free to by a Box with a Name on it (Brocade, 
Cisco, Juniper etc etc)..

Yes, each platform has it's advantages, and it's short comings, and no one 
solution fits all needs.

(Want to tow your boat, get a Hummer, want to go fast, get a ferrari don't 
try to tow you boat with a ferrari, or race in the streets with a hummer !)

:)

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


- Original Message -
> From: "Ken Chase" <m...@sizone.org>
> To: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:24:56 PM
> Subject: Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

> Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 
> 4210
> has
> 2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with
> 'useful'.
> 
> http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appliances/fw-8877
> 
> As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats
> my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange 
> models
> I found
> their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus...
> 
> What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G 
> solution
> here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds.
> 
> /kc
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said:
>  >Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance
>  
> >(???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210)
>  >might suit your needs.
>  >
>  >M.
>  >
>  >?? Original Message ??
>  >From: David Sotnick
>  >Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19
>  >To: NANOG
>  >Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>  >
>  >Hello masters of the Internet,
>  >
>  >I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
>  >Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
>  >Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>  >
>  >Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
>  >IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
>  >supports IPv6).
>  >
>  >The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
>  >and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
>  >stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>  >
>  >I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
>  >customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
>  >(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>  >
>  >Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>  >
>  >-Dave
> 
> Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Ken Chase]

Does that lanner even do SFP+? Dont see it listed in the specs. Looks like 4210 
has
2x SFP+, though their 'performance' level products look more in line with 
'useful'.

http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/x86-rackmount-appliances/fw-8877

As for the microtics, wonky user interface, so very unciscolike (i guess thats
my problem - but the GUI thing feels like a toy), but for their midrange models 
I found
their bgp convergence times pretty poor on their low end cpus...

What do you put on the lanner? OpenBGPd? Quagga? Also looking for a 10G solution
here, low power (than a full ASR stack..) is my goal for 5-6 full bgp feeds.

/kc


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 07:45:39PM -0400, Michael Brown said:
  >Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance 
(???http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210)
 might suit your needs.
  >
  >M.
  >
  >?? Original Message ??
  >From: David Sotnick
  >Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19
  >To: NANOG
  >Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
  >
  >Hello masters of the Internet,
  >
  >I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
  >Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
  >Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
  >
  >Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
  >IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
  >supports IPv6).
  >
  >The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
  >and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
  >stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
  >
  >I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
  >customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
  >(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
  >
  >Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
  >
  >-Dave

Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

Would still need a Chelsio / Mellanox etc card, and even then you're not
going to hit line rate if you have NAT or any traffic shaping enabled at
all. Maybe with DPDK/netmap/pf_ring, but that would be some pretty custom
work.
On Apr 15, 2016 6:47 PM, "Michael Brown"  wrote:

> Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance (‎
> http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210)
> might suit your needs.
>
> M.
>
>   Original Message
> From: David Sotnick
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19
> To: NANOG
> Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?
>
> Hello masters of the Internet,
>
> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>
> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
> supports IPv6).
>
> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>
> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>
> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>
> -Dave
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Michael Brown]

Not *exactly* what you're asking for, but a Lanner appliance 
(‎http://www.lannerinc.com/products/network-appliances/x86-rackmount-network-appliances/nca-5210)
 might suit your needs.

M.

  Original Message  
From: David Sotnick
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 16:19
To: NANOG
Subject: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

Hello masters of the Internet,

I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.

Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
supports IPv6).

The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).

I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

-Dave

RE: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

Different philosophy - strings attached.

When I sell a service, either residential or business or DIA, the terms are
clearly stated. If I were selling a multi-hundred dollar a month service,
the CPE cost is minimal. If I don't offer a service that is at least
*capable* of providing what I'm selling, then my competition will.

I prefer to not hand out competitive advantages.
On Apr 15, 2016 6:24 PM, "Tony Wicks"  wrote:

> Hmm, the chances of getting a single flow of more than 1gig to/from the
> "internet" is close to zero in a CPE situation. If the Connection is a
> service provider or similar sure, this limitation may well apply, but a
> home user (however high end), nope I just can't see it. If you need
> something capable of a single stream over 1G with 10G interfaces then
> really cost is going to have to be no object. If this is the case then
> something like a 600D will do the job -
>
>
> http://www.fortinet.com/sites/default/files/productdatasheets/FortiGate-600D.pdf
> Add any 10G switch you like off the second SFP+ port if you need 10G CPE,
> it's not likely to need to be an expensive one (EX3300?)
>
> I've used the Mikrotik CCR's as high end CPE (with 10G uplink) very
> successfully as they offer excellent price/performance, but if that's no
> object then there are plenty of options.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
> > On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM,  wrote:
>
>

RE: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Tony Wicks]

Hmm, the chances of getting a single flow of more than 1gig to/from the 
"internet" is close to zero in a CPE situation. If the Connection is a service 
provider or similar sure, this limitation may well apply, but a home user 
(however high end), nope I just can't see it. If you need something capable of 
a single stream over 1G with 10G interfaces then really cost is going to have 
to be no object. If this is the case then something like a 600D will do the job 
-

http://www.fortinet.com/sites/default/files/productdatasheets/FortiGate-600D.pdf
Add any 10G switch you like off the second SFP+ port if you need 10G CPE, it's 
not likely to need to be an expensive one (EX3300?)

I've used the Mikrotik CCR's as high end CPE (with 10G uplink) very 
successfully as they offer excellent price/performance, but if that's no object 
then there are plenty of options.






> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM,  wrote:

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[David Sotnick]

Thanks Aaron. Unless something has changed recently, I don't think the
Brocade ICX series does NAT either.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Aaron  wrote:

> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential
> customers we install Brocade ICXs.
>
> Aaron
>
> --
> 
> Aaron Wendel
> Chief Technical Officer
> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> (816)550-9030
> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> 
>
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

As much as I enjoy Mikrotik products and respect my friends and peers who
use them, until ROS 7.x the CCR is a "gimped" product.
On Apr 15, 2016 5:10 PM, "Filip Hruska"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for this
> situation.
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
>> support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential
>>> customers we install Brocade ICXs.
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
 Hello masters of the Internet,

 I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
 Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
 on a
 Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.

 Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
 IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
 also
 supports IPv6).

 The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
 2.2Gbps)
 and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability
 to
 stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).

 I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to
 the
 customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
 (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).

 Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

 -Dave

>>>
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Aaron Wendel
>>> Chief Technical Officer
>>> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
>>> (816)550-9030
>>> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Chris Knipe]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
> On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM,  wrote:
>
> > Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
> > support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
> >
> > -Mike
>


Also it falls pretty much flat on it's face the moment you do anything
useful in terms of firewalling / NATing.

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Filip Hruska]

Hi,

I would also vote for Mikrotik products; IMHO this looks perfect for 
this situation.


http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC



On 04/16/2016 12:01 AM, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:

Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support 
now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.

-Mike


On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:

Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential customers we 
install Brocade ICXs.

Aaron



On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
Hello masters of the Internet,

I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.

Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
supports IPv6).

The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).

I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

-Dave


--

Aaron Wendel
Chief Technical Officer
Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
(816)550-9030
http://www.wholesaleinternet.com

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Josh Reynolds]

Can't do more than 1Gbps per flow. Not suitable for this application.
On Apr 15, 2016 5:03 PM,  wrote:

> Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+
> support now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.
>
> -Mike
>
> > On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:
> >
> > Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential
> customers we install Brocade ICXs.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> >> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
> >> Hello masters of the Internet,
> >>
> >> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
> >> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port
> on a
> >> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
> >>
> >> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
> >> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that
> also
> >> supports IPv6).
> >>
> >> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% =
> 2.2Gbps)
> >> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability
> to
> >> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
> >>
> >> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to
> the
> >> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
> >> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
> >>
> >> -Dave
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Aaron Wendel
> > Chief Technical Officer
> > Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> > (816)550-9030
> > http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> > 
> >
>

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[mike . lyon]

Check out the Mikrotik Cloud Core routers, they make them with SFP+ support 
now. I have one of them with 10g deployed right now.

-Mike

> On Apr 15, 2016, at 14:52, Aaron  wrote:
> 
> Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential customers 
> we install Brocade ICXs.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
>> On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:
>> Hello masters of the Internet,
>> 
>> I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
>> Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
>> Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.
>> 
>> Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
>> IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
>> supports IPv6).
>> 
>> The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
>> and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
>> stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).
>> 
>> I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
>> customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
>> (Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>> 
>> -Dave
> 
> -- 
> 
> Aaron Wendel
> Chief Technical Officer
> Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
> (816)550-9030
> http://www.wholesaleinternet.com
> 
> 

Re: 10G-capable customer router recommendations?

[Aaron]

Not a lot of 10G capable CPEs out there.  For our 10G residential 
customers we install Brocade ICXs.


Aaron


On 4/15/2016 3:18 PM, David Sotnick wrote:

Hello masters of the Internet,

I was recently asked to set up networking at a VIP's home where he has
Comcast "Gigabit Pro" service, which is delivered on a 10G-SR MM port on a
Comcast-supplied Juniper ACX-2100 router.

Which customer router would you suggest for such a setup? It needs to do
IPv4 NAT, DHCP, IPv4+IPv6 routing and have a decent L4 firewall (that also
supports IPv6).

The customer pays for "2Gb" service (Comcast caps this at 2G+10% = 2.2Gbps)
and would like to get what he pays for (*cough*) by having the ability to
stream two 1Gbps streams (or at least achieve > 1.0Gbps).

I'm tempted to get another ACX-2100 and do a 4x1Gb LACP port-channel to the
customer switch, or replace the AV-integrator-installed Cisco SG300-52P
(Cisco switch with e.g. an EX-3300 with 10Gb uplinks).

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

-Dave



--

Aaron Wendel
Chief Technical Officer
Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
(816)550-9030
http://www.wholesaleinternet.com