Re: [Spam]Re: A letter from the CEO

[Carsten Bormann]

Hundred Meg, Ten Gig, One erm...?
Maybe harder to create vernacular for.

> On 2020-11-23, at 14:35, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> […]
> 
> Given that Tbps is still relatively uncommon in many operator networks, it's 
> not uncommon to hear people say Megabit and Gigabit with no problem, but say 
> Terabyte when referring to Terabit, as well.

Grüße, Carsten

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Jeff Shultz]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 8:21 AM Mark Tinka  wrote:

>
>
> On 11/23/20 18:14, Thomas Scott wrote:
>
> "Terrorbits" sounds like a 3 year old unplugging a router - over and over
>
>
> Because of dead wi-fi, or just for giggles :-)?
>
> Mark.
>

Pets. I'm pretty sure the cat was the culprit for a tech call last week,
fortunately resolvable over the phone.

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Re: A letter from the CEO

[Nick Hilliard]

Warren Kumari wrote on 23/11/2020 16:05:

They are better than terrorbits, which is what happen when anyone in
the family says "My Internet is broken, can you fix it?"


best to approach incidents like this with gigglebits, e.g. the sort of 
response that accompanies replies like "you did WHAT?? AGAIN??"


Nick

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mark Tinka]

On 11/23/20 18:14, Thomas Scott wrote:


"Terrorbits" sounds like a 3 year old unplugging a router - over and over


Because of dead wi-fi, or just for giggles :-)?

Mark.

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Thomas Scott]

"Terrorbits" sounds like a 3 year old unplugging a router - over and over
until which point it then had to be relocated to a top shelf with a UPS.
Telling this from a friend's experience, not my own. Promise.

- Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:09 AM Warren Kumari  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:22 AM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Carsten Bormann  wrote:
> > >
> > >> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second).
> >
> > Terrabits? That’s a new one to me. Would that be akin to an “earthbit”
> or something like that?
>
> They are better than terrorbits, which is what happen when anyone in
> the family says "My Internet is broken, can you fix it?"
>
> W
>
> >
> >
> > -Andy
>
>
>
> --
> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
> idea in the first place.
> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
> of pants.
>---maf
>

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Warren Kumari]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:22 AM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Carsten Bormann  wrote:
> >
> >> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second).
>
> Terrabits? That’s a new one to me. Would that be akin to an “earthbit” or 
> something like that?

They are better than terrorbits, which is what happen when anyone in
the family says "My Internet is broken, can you fix it?"

W

>
>
> -Andy



-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
   ---maf

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Andy Ringsmuth]

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Carsten Bormann  wrote:
> 
>> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second). 

Terrabits? That’s a new one to me. Would that be akin to an “earthbit” or 
something like that?


-Andy

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mike Hammett]

Ah, okay. All good! 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Mark Tinka"  
To: "Mike Hammett"  
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:17:58 AM 
Subject: Re: A letter from the CEO 




On 11/23/20 15:50, Mike Hammett wrote: 




I eagerly await a more substantive response. This is from a position of 
inquiry, not a position of combat. I'm new to the world of hardware that has 
those capabilities, so if there's something better, I'm all for hearing about 
it. 


What I meant was MACSec would also be my go-to, and doesn't necessarily scream 
"cutting edge" :-). 

Mark. 

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mark Tinka]

On 11/23/20 15:50, Mike Hammett wrote:

I eagerly await a more substantive response. This is from a position 
of inquiry, not a position of combat. I'm new to the world of hardware 
that has those capabilities, so if there's something better, I'm all 
for hearing about it.


What I meant was MACSec would also be my go-to, and doesn't necessarily 
scream "cutting edge" :-).


Mark.

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Patrick W. Gilmore]

I am impressed that you stepped up, admitted the mistake, and apologized. Thank 
you for taking responsibility.

Anyone reading this who can say they never made a mistake can continue to 
criticize you. As I am about as far from that standard as one can be, I will 
consider this penance enough for your first mistake.

Fair warning: If you email nanog-l multiple times “by mistake”, that will not 
be so easily overlooked. Whether in error or not, multiple “mistakes” become a 
problem. Remember Grey’s law, "sufficiently advanced incompetence is 
indistinguishable from malice” (or the similar Heinlein’s law, or Hanlon’s 
razor, etc.). Perhaps you should spend some extra time verifying your list 
hygiene?

-- 
TTFN,
patrick

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lady Benjamin PD Cannon  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, we never intended to spam the list, that was a total screw-up on our 
> part, one I take full responsibility for.   A list of exclusions got 
> included.   Please accept my sincere apologies.
> 
> Our key differentiator is that we encrypt our backbone links. All of ‘em. So 
> we say we’re another layer to get through in a security policy.  Idea being 
> your data are marginally safer with us than being blasted in the clear.
> 
> Again, sorry for including the list in our list like total nimrods.
> 
> —L.B.
> 
> Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> b...@6by7.net 
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
> FCC License KJ6FJJ
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Mel Beckman > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure the implication that “safe, secure” refers to less susceptibility 
>> to eavesdropping. But of course fiber can still be tapped trivially with 
>> angle-of-incidence intercept taps.
>> 
>>  -mel 
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity
>>> 
>>> More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber connectivity' 
>>> is?  As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?
>>> 
>>> Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable at 
>>> throat-level across roads or something?
>>> 
>>> Freaking marketing droids.
>>> 
>>> -A
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:25 PM Josh Luthman >> > wrote:
>>> Got this message to me directly as well as through the list.
>>> 
>>> @6x7 this list is *NOT* to be scrapped for email addresses for your 
>>> marketing purposes.  This is complete garbage.  I'll be sending a message 
>>> directly to k...@6by7.net  as well.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:19 PM 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO 
>>> mailto:b...@6by7.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> A letter from the CEO of 6x7:
>>> 
>>> 6x7 Networks and Communications Authority of Kenya announce type approval 
>>> to import 8tbps/second internet routers.
>>> 
>>> Hi, Lady Benjamin from 6x7 here, and I'm proud to share with you an update 
>>> on me and the company.  
>>> 
>>> Through our adjunct division, 6x7 just received type approval from the 
>>> Kenyan government to import core routers capable of over 8tbps (8 terrabits 
>>> per second).  This will enable us to enter the Kenyan IP transit and 
>>> transport markets, and service both datacenter and soon office buildings 
>>> and eventually residences with high speed, safe, secure global fiber 
>>> connectivity.   The market in Kenya is severely impacted now due to limited 
>>> fiber availability, and 6x7 will leverage it's undersea connections to 
>>> bring more wholesale bandwidth into the area, creating the economy by which 
>>> we expect to grow.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks for reading, I'll be doing a regular set of these newsletters, and 
>>> if you like them or want to reach out, please contact us at k...@6by7.net 
>>> !
>>> 
>>> -LB
>>> Ms. Lady Benjamin Cannon, ASCE.
>>> Find Out More
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>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mike Hammett]

I eagerly await a more substantive response. This is from a position of 
inquiry, not a position of combat. I'm new to the world of hardware that has 
those capabilities, so if there's something better, I'm all for hearing about 
it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Mark Tinka"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:35:57 AM 
Subject: Re: A letter from the CEO 




On 11/23/20 14:40, Mike Hammett wrote: 




I've been looking at some deployments in areas with sketchy political forces 
and I was looking to use MACsec. 



How underwhelming :-)... 

Mark. 

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mark Tinka]

On 11/23/20 14:40, Mike Hammett wrote:

I've been looking at some deployments in areas with sketchy political 
forces and I was looking to use MACsec.


How underwhelming :-)...

Mark.

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mark Tinka]

On 11/23/20 09:52, Carsten Bormann wrote:


I know most people here don’t care (because they don’t have to(*), literally), 
but there are standards for these things, and there are reasons for the way 
that they have turned out to be.  If you want to taste a little treatise from 
engineers who do care (because their job is building things that measure), you 
can look up https://u.nu/correct-units .


Given that Tbps is still relatively uncommon in many operator networks, 
it's not uncommon to hear people say Megabit and Gigabit with no 
problem, but say Terabyte when referring to Terabit, as well.


That one does get to me, but I'm often boozed up on enough wine to care :-).

Mark.

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mike Hammett]

I've been looking at some deployments in areas with sketchy political forces 
and I was looking to use MACsec. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Randy Bush"  
To: "Lady Benjamin PD Cannon"  
Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group"  
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 12:14:14 PM 
Subject: Re: A letter from the CEO 

> Our key differentiator is that we encrypt our backbone links. 

care to give detail of the tech used? 

randy 

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Carsten Bormann]

On 2020-11-23, at 08:09, William Herrin  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 10:37 PM Carsten Bormann  wrote:
>> On 2020-11-20, at 23:18, 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO  
>> wrote:
>>> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second).
>> I don’t expect the majority of nanog people to know the intended data rate 
>> would properly be notated as 8 Tbit/s, but a space after the number, an 
>> upper case T, and not confusing Tera (SI prefix for 1 Trillion) with Terra 
>> (earth), is about the minimum I would expect from a technical person.
> 
> Hi Carsten,
> 
> You must be talking the "new" comm-speak because "bps" has been the
> conventional abbreviation for "bits per second" since at least the
> modem days of the 1980s with the "thousands" modifier typically
> offered lower case so as not to distract from or be confused with the
> digits: kbps, mbps, gbps, tbps. The lack of a space between the digits
> and letters also follows convention.
> 
> There's nothing wrong with saying "8 Tbit/s" instead. It's just as
> clear and no one sensible cares. But complaining about others using
> the normal convention frankly makes you look like a doofus.

Sure, and the speed of vehicles is measured in kph (and probably frequencies in 
cps, or in this space more likely kilomegacycles).

I didn’t complain about anything. 
 
I just noted the very low technical competence signaled by this usage in the 
press release (what pushed me over the edge was of course the “terra”).  
Competence signaling is often inadvertent, and it can be very useful for the 
recipient of a message.

To keep with the side-track you opened:

I wouldn't complain about Tbps, because I know it’s the vernacular, and maybe I 
shouldn’t have mentioned the correct scientific notation, because even much of 
the science in this space is written up in vernacular.

I work with networks that offer a sustained data rate of 2-200 mbit/s (yes, 
millibit per seconds), so I really can’t find a lot of value in using the wrong 
case for the prefixes.  You don’t easily find a press release with “tbps” 
(well, maybe with tbsp, table spoons).  If it rocks your boat, nobody will stop 
you from writing that way, and the trade press in UK/AU really seems to like 
that (did I say anything about competence signaling yet?).

I know most people here don’t care (because they don’t have to(*), literally), 
but there are standards for these things, and there are reasons for the way 
that they have turned out to be.  If you want to taste a little treatise from 
engineers who do care (because their job is building things that measure), you 
can look up https://u.nu/correct-units .

Can we now return to spam-bashing?

Grüße, Carsten

(*) I apologize for this little pun.  Or, maybe we are the phone company now?

Re: A letter from the CEO

[William Herrin]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 10:37 PM Carsten Bormann  wrote:
> On 2020-11-20, at 23:18, 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO  
> wrote:
> > 8tbps (8 terrabits per second).
> I don’t expect the majority of nanog people to know the intended data rate 
> would properly be notated as 8 Tbit/s, but a space after the number, an upper 
> case T, and not confusing Tera (SI prefix for 1 Trillion) with Terra (earth), 
> is about the minimum I would expect from a technical person.

Hi Carsten,

You must be talking the "new" comm-speak because "bps" has been the
conventional abbreviation for "bits per second" since at least the
modem days of the 1980s with the "thousands" modifier typically
offered lower case so as not to distract from or be confused with the
digits: kbps, mbps, gbps, tbps. The lack of a space between the digits
and letters also follows convention.

There's nothing wrong with saying "8 Tbit/s" instead. It's just as
clear and no one sensible cares. But complaining about others using
the normal convention frankly makes you look like a doofus.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Carsten Bormann]

On 2020-11-20, at 23:18, 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO  
wrote:
> 
> 8tbps (8 terrabits per second). 

Competence signaling: technical competence very low.

I don’t expect the majority of nanog people to know the intended data rate 
would properly be notated as 8 Tbit/s, but a space after the number, an upper 
case T, and not confusing Tera (SI prefix for 1 Trillion) with Terra (earth), 
is about the minimum I would expect from a technical person.

With that, we return to the regular spam bashing.

Grüße, Carsten

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Grant Taylor via NANOG]

On 11/20/20 4:27 PM, Lady Benjamin PD Cannon wrote:
Hi all, we never intended to spam the list, that was a total screw-up on 
our part, one I take full responsibility for.   A list of exclusions got 
included.   Please accept my sincere apologies.

...

Again, sorry for including the list in our list like total nimrods.


Mistakes happen.

Thank you for the overview of what happened.

In my (not so) humble opinion, polite overviews go a long way to 
smoothing feathers.


#learningOpportunity



--
Grant. . . .
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Re: A letter from the CEO

[Randy Bush]

> Our key differentiator is that we encrypt our backbone links.

care to give detail of the tech used?

randy

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Lady Benjamin PD Cannon]

Hi all, we never intended to spam the list, that was a total screw-up on our 
part, one I take full responsibility for.   A list of exclusions got included.  
 Please accept my sincere apologies.

Our key differentiator is that we encrypt our backbone links. All of ‘em. So we 
say we’re another layer to get through in a security policy.  Idea being your 
data are marginally safer with us than being blasted in the clear.

Again, sorry for including the list in our list like total nimrods.

—L.B.

Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net 
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
FCC License KJ6FJJ



> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:
> 
> I’m sure the implication that “safe, secure” refers to less susceptibility to 
> eavesdropping. But of course fiber can still be tapped trivially with 
> angle-of-incidence intercept taps.
> 
>  -mel 
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> > high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity
>> 
>> More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber connectivity' 
>> is?  As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?
>> 
>> Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable at 
>> throat-level across roads or something?
>> 
>> Freaking marketing droids.
>> 
>> -A
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:25 PM Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>> Got this message to me directly as well as through the list.
>> 
>> @6x7 this list is *NOT* to be scrapped for email addresses for your 
>> marketing purposes.  This is complete garbage.  I'll be sending a message 
>> directly to k...@6by7.net  as well.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:19 PM 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO 
>> mailto:b...@6by7.net>> wrote:
>>  
>> A letter from the CEO of 6x7:
>> 
>> 6x7 Networks and Communications Authority of Kenya announce type approval to 
>> import 8tbps/second internet routers.
>> 
>> Hi, Lady Benjamin from 6x7 here, and I'm proud to share with you an update 
>> on me and the company.  
>> 
>> Through our adjunct division, 6x7 just received type approval from the 
>> Kenyan government to import core routers capable of over 8tbps (8 terrabits 
>> per second).  This will enable us to enter the Kenyan IP transit and 
>> transport markets, and service both datacenter and soon office buildings and 
>> eventually residences with high speed, safe, secure global fiber 
>> connectivity.   The market in Kenya is severely impacted now due to limited 
>> fiber availability, and 6x7 will leverage it's undersea connections to bring 
>> more wholesale bandwidth into the area, creating the economy by which we 
>> expect to grow.  
>> 
>> Thanks for reading, I'll be doing a regular set of these newsletters, and if 
>> you like them or want to reach out, please contact us at k...@6by7.net 
>> !
>> 
>> -LB
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin Cannon, ASCE.
>> Find Out More
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mark Tinka]

On 11/21/20 01:20, Mel Beckman wrote:

I’m sure the implication that “safe, secure” refers to less 
susceptibility to eavesdropping. But of course fiber can still be 
tapped trivially with angle-of-incidence intercept taps.


I think the implication was some measure of superiority compared to 
existing operators, for anyone who signs texts based on how many buzz 
words are in the schpill.


Mark.

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mark Tinka]

On 11/21/20 01:06, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:


> high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity

More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber 
connectivity' is?  As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?


Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable 
at throat-level across roads or something?


Freaking marketing droids.


Clearly the target is non-African customers with Africa on a to-do list...

This, I want to see...

Mark.

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mark Tinka]

Oh dear, what will poor Kenya ever do :-)...

Mark.

On 11/21/20 00:22, Josh Luthman wrote:

Got this message to me directly as well as through the list.

@6x7 this list is *NOT* to be scrapped for email addresses for your 
marketing purposes.  This is complete garbage.  I'll be sending a 
message directly to k...@6by7.net  as well.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:19 PM 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO 
mailto:b...@6by7.net>> wrote:



/A letter from the CEO of 6x7:

6x7 Networks and Communications Authority of Kenya
announce type approval to import 8tbps/second internet
routers./



Hi, Lady Benjamin from 6x7 here, and I'm proud to share with you
an update on me and the company.

Through our adjunct division, 6x7 just received type approval from
the Kenyan government to import core routers capable of over 8tbps
(8 terrabits per second).  This will enable us to enter the Kenyan
IP transit and transport markets, and service both datacenter and
soon office buildings and eventually residences with high speed,
safe, secure global fiber connectivity. The market in Kenya is
severely impacted now due to limited fiber availability, and 6x7
will leverage it's undersea connections to bring more wholesale
bandwidth into the area, creating the economy by which we expect
to grow.


  Thanks for reading, I'll be doing a regular set of these
  newsletters, and if you like them or want to reach out,
  please contact us at k...@6by7.net !


-LB
Ms. Lady Benjamin Cannon, ASCE.


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Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mel Beckman]

Apparently, Ben didn’t use “safe and secure” fiber lines for his emails :)

 -mel

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> On 11/20/20 4:41 PM, Matt Erculiani wrote:
>> Ben is fairly regular on this list and I can't imagine she did this on 
>> purpose.
> 
> How does one /accidentally/ harvest email addresses and /accidentally/ add 
> them to a Mailchimp list and /accidentally/ send emails with full header 
> personalization?
> 
> This *REALLY* seems like a blatant scrape of -- now I have a good idea -- the 
> NANOG mailing list.
> 
> I for one have black listed 6x7 on all email servers that I have 
> administrative control over.
> 
>> I'm sure she'll see this thread and fix it. Relax...
> 
> I don't know.  I think it was far more intentional than accidental.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
> 

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Matt Erculiani  said:
> All mass-mail systems I'm aware of offer to scrape your own contacts when
> you first sign up.

Really?  Mailchimp scrapes your contacts to spam as "opt-in"?  If you
can show that's true, then Mailchimp needs to be blocked as spammers.

My experience with Mailchimp though requires you to submit addresses for
a list, so spam like this is purely intentional.
-- 
Chris Adams 

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Matt Erculiani]

> How does one /accidentally/ harvest email addresses and /accidentally/
> add them to a Mailchimp list and /accidentally/ send emails with full
> header personalization?

All mass-mail systems I'm aware of offer to scrape your own contacts when
you first sign up. Anyone who has ever started or replied to a Nanog thread
is in everyone else's contact list, including the list address itself.

I don't think the list was scraped, Ben's contacts were. One implies
malice, the other, a lack of foresight.

Ben is active enough here to know one would be crucified and/or humiliated
for scraping the list, both were the case here.

-Matt



On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:44 PM Grant Taylor via NANOG 
wrote:

> On 11/20/20 4:41 PM, Matt Erculiani wrote:
> > Ben is fairly regular on this list and I can't imagine she did this on
> > purpose.
>
> How does one /accidentally/ harvest email addresses and /accidentally/
> add them to a Mailchimp list and /accidentally/ send emails with full
> header personalization?
>
> This *REALLY* seems like a blatant scrape of -- now I have a good idea
> -- the NANOG mailing list.
>
> I for one have black listed 6x7 on all email servers that I have
> administrative control over.
>
> > I'm sure she'll see this thread and fix it. Relax...
>
> I don't know.  I think it was far more intentional than accidental.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>

-- 
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Dan Hollis]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote:

On 11/20/20 4:41 PM, Matt Erculiani wrote:
Ben is fairly regular on this list and I can't imagine she did this on 
purpose.
How does one /accidentally/ harvest email addresses and /accidentally/ add 
them to a Mailchimp list and /accidentally/ send emails with full header 
personalization?


accidentally on purpose.

-Dan

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mike Lyon]

It was also spammed to other lists as well...

-Mike

> On Nov 20, 2020, at 16:45, Grant Taylor via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> On 11/20/20 4:41 PM, Matt Erculiani wrote:
>> Ben is fairly regular on this list and I can't imagine she did this on 
>> purpose.
> 
> How does one /accidentally/ harvest email addresses and /accidentally/ add 
> them to a Mailchimp list and /accidentally/ send emails with full header 
> personalization?
> 
> This *REALLY* seems like a blatant scrape of -- now I have a good idea -- the 
> NANOG mailing list.
> 
> I for one have black listed 6x7 on all email servers that I have 
> administrative control over.
> 
>> I'm sure she'll see this thread and fix it. Relax...
> 
> I don't know.  I think it was far more intentional than accidental.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
> 

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Grant Taylor via NANOG]

On 11/20/20 4:41 PM, Matt Erculiani wrote:
Ben is fairly regular on this list and I can't imagine she did this on 
purpose.


How does one /accidentally/ harvest email addresses and /accidentally/ 
add them to a Mailchimp list and /accidentally/ send emails with full 
header personalization?


This *REALLY* seems like a blatant scrape of -- now I have a good idea 
-- the NANOG mailing list.


I for one have black listed 6x7 on all email servers that I have 
administrative control over.



I'm sure she'll see this thread and fix it.     Relax...


I don't know.  I think it was far more intentional than accidental.



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die



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Re: A letter from the CEO

[Matt Erculiani]

All,

Ben is fairly regular on this list and I can't imagine she did this on
purpose.

I'm sure she'll see this thread and fix it. Relax...

-Matt

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 4:34 PM Peter Kristolaitis 
wrote:

> On 2020-11-20 6:06 p.m., Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:
>
> > high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity
>
> More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber
> connectivity' is?  As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?
>
> Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable at
> throat-level across roads or something?
>
> Freaking marketing droids.
>
> -A
>
> Other providers don't account for the effects of photonic friction and the
> resulting generation of heat in their fiber lines.  This has resulted in at
> least one documented case of spontaneous combustion resulting in damage to
> fiber lines[1].
>
> 6x7 controls for photonic friction by utilizing its proprietary SPAM
> (Specified Photonic Agitation Moderation) technology.
>
> [1]  Uncle Cletus (1993)  Mind control, spontaneous combustion and other
> extraterrestrial phenoma.  *Lecture at Billy-Sue's house.*
>


-- 
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Peter Kristolaitis]

On 2020-11-20 6:06 p.m., Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG wrote:

> high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity

More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber 
connectivity' is?  As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?


Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable 
at throat-level across roads or something?


Freaking marketing droids.

-A


Other providers don't account for the effects of photonic friction and 
the resulting generation of heat in their fiber lines.  This has 
resulted in at least one documented case of spontaneous combustion 
resulting in damage to fiber lines[1].


6x7 controls for photonic friction by utilizing its proprietary SPAM 
(Specified Photonic Agitation Moderation) technology.


[1]  Uncle Cletus (1993)  Mind control, spontaneous combustion and other 
extraterrestrial phenoma. /Lecture at Billy-Sue's house./

Re: A letter from the CEO

[TJ Trout]

When I saw the 'lady ben cannon' I thought we were about to be the lucky
recipient of a large sum of money left by a prince, I'm fairly disappointed
now.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 3:09 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG 
wrote:

> > high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity
>
> More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber
> connectivity' is?  As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?
>
> Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable at
> throat-level across roads or something?
>
> Freaking marketing droids.
>
> -A
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:25 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Got this message to me directly as well as through the list.
>>
>> @6x7 this list is *NOT* to be scrapped for email addresses for your
>> marketing purposes.  This is complete garbage.  I'll be sending a message
>> directly to k...@6by7.net as well.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:19 PM 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO <
>> b...@6by7.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *A letter from the CEO of 6x7: 6x7 Networks and Communications Authority
>>> of Kenya announce type approval to import 8tbps/second internet routers.*
>>>
>>> Hi, Lady Benjamin from 6x7 here, and I'm proud to share with you an
>>> update on me and the company.
>>>
>>> Through our adjunct division, 6x7 just received type approval from the
>>> Kenyan government to import core routers capable of over 8tbps (8 terrabits
>>> per second).  This will enable us to enter the Kenyan IP transit and
>>> transport markets, and service both datacenter and soon office buildings
>>> and eventually residences with high speed, safe, secure global fiber
>>> connectivity.   The market in Kenya is severely impacted now due to limited
>>> fiber availability, and 6x7 will leverage it's undersea connections to
>>> bring more wholesale bandwidth into the area, creating the economy by which
>>> we expect to grow.
>>> Thanks for reading, I'll be doing a regular set of these newsletters,
>>> and if you like them or want to reach out, please contact us at
>>> k...@6by7.net!
>>> -LB
>>> Ms. Lady Benjamin Cannon, ASCE.
>>> Find Out More
>>> 
>>> [image: Facebook]
>>> 
>>> [image: Twitter]
>>> 
>>> [image: Link]
>>> 
>>> [image: Website]
>>> 
>>> *Copyright © 2020 6x7 Networks, LLC, All rights reserved.*
>>> You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website.
>>>
>>> *Our mailing address is:*
>>> 6x7 Networks, LLC
>>> 44 montgomery st
>>> suite 2310
>>> San Francisco, CA 94104
>>>
>>> Add us to your address book
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Want to change how you receive these emails?
>>> You can update your preferences
>>> 
>>> or unsubscribe from this list
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp]
>>> 
>>>
>>

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Mel Beckman]

I’m sure the implication that “safe, secure” refers to less susceptibility to 
eavesdropping. But of course fiber can still be tapped trivially with 
angle-of-incidence intercept taps.

 -mel

On Nov 20, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG  
wrote:


> high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity

More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber connectivity' is? 
 As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?

Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable at 
throat-level across roads or something?

Freaking marketing droids.

-A

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:25 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Got this message to me directly as well as through the list.

@6x7 this list is *NOT* to be scrapped for email addresses for your marketing 
purposes.  This is complete garbage.  I'll be sending a message directly to 
k...@6by7.net as well.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:19 PM 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO 
mailto:b...@6by7.net>> wrote:
[X]
A letter from the CEO of 6x7:

6x7 Networks and Communications Authority of Kenya announce type approval to 
import 8tbps/second internet routers.
[X]

Hi, Lady Benjamin from 6x7 here, and I'm proud to share with you an update on 
me and the company.

Through our adjunct division, 6x7 just received type approval from the Kenyan 
government to import core routers capable of over 8tbps (8 terrabits per 
second).  This will enable us to enter the Kenyan IP transit and transport 
markets, and service both datacenter and soon office buildings and eventually 
residences with high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity.   The 
market in Kenya is severely impacted now due to limited fiber availability, and 
6x7 will leverage it's undersea connections to bring more wholesale bandwidth 
into the area, creating the economy by which we expect to grow.

Thanks for reading, I'll be doing a regular set of these newsletters, and if 
you like them or want to reach out, please contact us at 
k...@6by7.net!

-LB
Ms. Lady Benjamin Cannon, ASCE.
Find Out 
More
[Facebook]
[Twitter]
[Link]
[Website]
Copyright © 2020 6x7 Networks, LLC, All rights reserved.
You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website.

Our mailing address is:
6x7 Networks, LLC
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suite 2310
San Francisco, CA 94104

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Re: A letter from the CEO

[Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG]

> high speed, safe, secure global fiber connectivity

More importantly, can someone tell me what 'safe global fiber connectivity'
is?  As opposed to 'unsafe global fiber connectivity'?

Do these guys have the market cornered on not string fiber optic cable at
throat-level across roads or something?

Freaking marketing droids.

-A

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:25 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Got this message to me directly as well as through the list.
>
> @6x7 this list is *NOT* to be scrapped for email addresses for your
> marketing purposes.  This is complete garbage.  I'll be sending a message
> directly to k...@6by7.net as well.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:19 PM 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO <
> b...@6by7.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> *A letter from the CEO of 6x7: 6x7 Networks and Communications Authority
>> of Kenya announce type approval to import 8tbps/second internet routers.*
>>
>> Hi, Lady Benjamin from 6x7 here, and I'm proud to share with you an
>> update on me and the company.
>>
>> Through our adjunct division, 6x7 just received type approval from the
>> Kenyan government to import core routers capable of over 8tbps (8 terrabits
>> per second).  This will enable us to enter the Kenyan IP transit and
>> transport markets, and service both datacenter and soon office buildings
>> and eventually residences with high speed, safe, secure global fiber
>> connectivity.   The market in Kenya is severely impacted now due to limited
>> fiber availability, and 6x7 will leverage it's undersea connections to
>> bring more wholesale bandwidth into the area, creating the economy by which
>> we expect to grow.
>> Thanks for reading, I'll be doing a regular set of these newsletters, and
>> if you like them or want to reach out, please contact us at k...@6by7.net!
>> -LB
>> Ms. Lady Benjamin Cannon, ASCE.
>> Find Out More
>> 
>> [image: Facebook]
>> 
>> [image: Twitter]
>> 
>> [image: Link]
>> 
>> [image: Website]
>> 
>> *Copyright © 2020 6x7 Networks, LLC, All rights reserved.*
>> You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website.
>>
>> *Our mailing address is:*
>> 6x7 Networks, LLC
>> 44 montgomery st
>> suite 2310
>> San Francisco, CA 94104
>>
>> Add us to your address book
>> 
>>
>>
>> Want to change how you receive these emails?
>> You can update your preferences
>> 
>> or unsubscribe from this list
>> .
>>
>>
>> [image: Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp]
>> 
>>
>

Re: A letter from the CEO

[Josh Luthman]

Got this message to me directly as well as through the list.

@6x7 this list is *NOT* to be scrapped for email addresses for your
marketing purposes.  This is complete garbage.  I'll be sending a message
directly to k...@6by7.net as well.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:19 PM 6x7 Networks - Lady Benjamin, CEO <
b...@6by7.net> wrote:

>
>
> *A letter from the CEO of 6x7: 6x7 Networks and Communications Authority
> of Kenya announce type approval to import 8tbps/second internet routers.*
>
> Hi, Lady Benjamin from 6x7 here, and I'm proud to share with you an update
> on me and the company.
>
> Through our adjunct division, 6x7 just received type approval from the
> Kenyan government to import core routers capable of over 8tbps (8 terrabits
> per second).  This will enable us to enter the Kenyan IP transit and
> transport markets, and service both datacenter and soon office buildings
> and eventually residences with high speed, safe, secure global fiber
> connectivity.   The market in Kenya is severely impacted now due to limited
> fiber availability, and 6x7 will leverage it's undersea connections to
> bring more wholesale bandwidth into the area, creating the economy by which
> we expect to grow.
> Thanks for reading, I'll be doing a regular set of these newsletters, and
> if you like them or want to reach out, please contact us at k...@6by7.net!
> -LB
> Ms. Lady Benjamin Cannon, ASCE.
> Find Out More
> 
> [image: Facebook]
> 
> [image: Twitter]
> 
> [image: Link]
> 
> [image: Website]
> 
> *Copyright © 2020 6x7 Networks, LLC, All rights reserved.*
> You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website.
>
> *Our mailing address is:*
> 6x7 Networks, LLC
> 44 montgomery st
> suite 2310
> San Francisco, CA 94104
>
> Add us to your address book
> 
>
>
> Want to change how you receive these emails?
> You can update your preferences
> 
> or unsubscribe from this list
> .
>
>
> [image: Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp]
> 
>