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> Hello, Luma Systems has built a SaaS-based optical monitoring platform > enabling vendor-neutral DWDM Channel Monitoring and In-Service OTDR with a > robust predictive analytics engine. We've met with many Nanogers over the > last couple years but if you're interested in learning more, please

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There are two different approaches to deploying the fiber monitoring hardware that is effectively in line with the “get your gear off of my fiber” argument. If the monitoring service is intended for a specific customer, the signal will traverse a customer-specific pair. This is pretty rare

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United Cable Company is primarily a broker. To Rod's questions : Sure, you can light a pair and monitor it many different ways. However, as James has said already, most people who want dark fiber are going to want one pair of glass from A to Z with nothing in the middle at all that they don't

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On 6/8/20 3:01 PM, Matt Harris wrote: Is that considered true by most leased dark fiber providers? If I'm leasing a dark fiber circuit from a provider, I generally expect that what I'm leasing is in fact one [or more] physical strands of fiber - not a somehow redundant connection. Since he

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On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 06:12:12PM -0400, Dave Cohen wrote: > There is a middle ground between ???not managing customer light??? and ???not > managing anything??? though. The Adva ALM solution that a few folks that have > mentioned, along with others like Lucent SmartLGX, effectively bridge this

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The guy is asking a question, there is no need to act almighty if you dont have anything positive to add.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Miles Fidelman Date: 09/06/2020 08:22 (GMT+08:00) To: Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC

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I ain't so little, and I'm old enough to call bullshit when I see it. On 6/8/20 8:04 PM, TJ Trout wrote: stop being a disrespectful little prick. On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:52 PM Miles Fidelman mailto:mfidel...@meetinghouse.net>> wrote: *Rod Beck*rod.beck at unitedcablecompany.com

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stop being a disrespectful little prick. On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:52 PM Miles Fidelman wrote: > *Rod Beck* rod.beck at unitedcablecompany.com > > wrote > > I would calm down, Miles.  Dark fiber networks are built and usually > maintained by the same construction company that installed them.

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*Rod Beck*rod.beck at unitedcablecompany.com wrote I would calm down, Miles.  Dark fiber networks are built and usually

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Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mel Beckman" To: "James Jun" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:55:51 PM Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions My understanding

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My understanding is that the OP wants to put the equipment on the fiber that he leases from a supplier. That’s the question -mel via cell > On Jun 8, 2020, at 2:38 PM, James Jun wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 08:10:44PM +, Mel Beckman wrote: >> >> I???m not talking about a full-time

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There is a middle ground between “not managing customer light” and “not managing anything” though. The Adva ALM solution that a few folks that have mentioned, along with others like Lucent SmartLGX, effectively bridge this gap by helping trace the precise location of cuts and even smaller scale

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On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 08:10:44PM +, Mel Beckman wrote: > > I???m not talking about a full-time engineer for the life of the network, > just for designing the infrastructure management before first customer light. > > -mel via cell > Dude, it's dark fiber. I for one, do _NOT_ in any

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Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:25 PM To: Roel Parijs Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; Rod Beck Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions Thank you for the most useful comment on the thread so far! If I'm buying dark fiber, I'm expecting it to be a bunch of spliced glass from end to end. Maybe (maybe

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, Roderick. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 9:25 PM To: Roel Parijs Cc: nanog@nanog.org ; Rod Beck Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions Thank you for the most useful comment on the thread so far! If I'm buying dark fiber, I'm expecting

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:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions without pilots... or a maintenance manager! Speaking of which, seeing this kind of question, from a VP at a company in the submarine cable business, would sure make me leery of leasing fiber from them, if there's an alternative

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To: "Rod Beck" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 1:44:39 PM Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions Hello, Yes, you can install a permanent OTDR meter on the fiber. Exfo used to have them but a very cost effective solution which we have been selling for years is the Adva

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Fidelman Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 2:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Outsourced NOC Solutions without pilots... or a maintenance manager! Speaking of which, seeing this kind of question, from a VP at a company in the submarine cable business, would sure make me leery of leasing fiber

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without pilots... or a maintenance manager! Speaking of which, seeing this kind of question, from a VP at a company in the submarine cable business, would sure make me leery of leasing fiber from them, if there's an alternative.  Now, one would not necessarily expect a VP of Business

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On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 1:51 PM Miles Fidelman wrote: > And... parenthetically, if a single link failure impacts customers, you're > network is woefully badly designed. > Is that considered true by most leased dark fiber providers? If I'm leasing a dark fiber circuit from a provider, I generally

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On 6/8/20 2:24 PM, Rod Beck wrote: Hi, My colleague and I may be running a new dark fiber network in the Northeast. We need an outsourced NOC to monitor for fiber cuts and serve as a contact point for customers. Am I wrong in believing that there should be a way of lighting a single

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Hello, Yes, you can install a permanent OTDR meter on the fiber. Exfo used to have them but a very cost effective solution which we have been selling for years is the Adva ALM. https://www.adva.com/en/products/network-infrastructure-assurance/alm You can even monitor the actual customer fiber,

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It sounds like you don’t have an experienced fiber optic network engineer on the project yet. There is much more to facilities monitoring then just checking for disruption. I recommend that you either retain a consulting engineer or employ one during development. I’m sure operators here are