Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-02-07 Thread michael gregg
Ahh, found some nitric acid. The 6 molar solution should do nicely. http://wardsci.com/product.asp?pn=IG0015411&sid=google&cm_mmc=google-_-cpc-_-ward-_-nitricacid -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-02-07 Thread michael gregg
I do not believe anybody has suggested 50/50 copper sulphate/table salt yet. For my first try, I was going to try a concentrated solution of ferric chloride and voltage with stainless as the anode and cathode. I do not know how it will come out. I'll also go grab some copper sulphate to give tha

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-02-07 Thread Smiffy
I've picked up on this discussion late, so don't know if anyone's suggested this to try: 50/50 copper sulphate/table salt. Don't know if this will work on stainless steel, but has been recommended for etching ordinary steel or aluminium. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-02-06 Thread michael gregg
Really? Well, that's worth trying. Maybe a better etch could be gotten with the use of a combination of ferric chloride and electrolysis. That would probably mean a printer based press-n-peel system and a battery. I am also interested in this method to make stainless solder stencils at home. I

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-02-06 Thread John Rehwinkel
>>> The research that I did for stainless enchants all seem like they are >>> processes that would require a fume hood. Most of the processes containing >>> HCl and HNO3. I do not have a fume hood :( >> I'll go chase down what Micromark sells in their kit, which specifically >> states it works w

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-02-05 Thread John Rehwinkel
> Don't forget the upside-down 8 in the middle of the stack, connected to the > anode. I had, of course, forgotten it. Here it is. http://www.vitriol.com/images/tech/nixies/cathodes3.png - John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group.

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-30 Thread Dalibor Farný
Thats it! I was looking for tiny beads several times, but havent found sich a small ones. The height is important, 1.8mm is exactly what is inside z566m! I got a quote from a german company for ceramic washers, over 2 eur per piece :-) Thanks, Dalibor Farný http://dalibor.farny.cz sent from Sam

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-30 Thread NeonJohn
On 01/30/2013 11:46 AM, John Rehwinkel wrote: > Superior Technical Ceramics has ceramic washers as stock parts. Their 2-56 > washer was $1.40 apiece > and their 0-80 washer was $1.35 apiece with a 4-week lead time when buying a > couple thousand washers > at a time. They also offer ceramic n

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-30 Thread John Rehwinkel
As far as the spacers, those could be molded in Ceramic Clay and fired in a Kiln. The mold could be made in Silicon or similar, again the prototype could be made on a 3D printer, or just turned on a lathe. >>> There are very small (1...2mm estimated) glass beads that are used for >>

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-30 Thread Sebastian Götte
On 01/30/2013 11:18 AM, Grahame Marsh wrote: > On 30/01/2013 09:58, Sebastian Götte wrote: >> On 01/30/2013 03:44 AM, Charles MacDonald wrote: >>> As far as the spacers, those could be molded in Ceramic Clay and fired >>> in a Kiln. The mold could be made in Silicon or similar, again the >>> proto

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-30 Thread Grahame Marsh
On 30/01/2013 09:58, Sebastian Götte wrote: On 01/30/2013 03:44 AM, Charles MacDonald wrote: As far as the spacers, those could be molded in Ceramic Clay and fired in a Kiln. The mold could be made in Silicon or similar, again the prototype could be made on a 3D printer, or just turned on a lat

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-30 Thread Sebastian Götte
On 01/30/2013 03:44 AM, Charles MacDonald wrote: > As far as the spacers, those could be molded in Ceramic Clay and fired > in a Kiln. The mold could be made in Silicon or similar, again the > prototype could be made on a 3D printer, or just turned on a lathe. There are very small (1...2mm estimat

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-30 Thread Sebastian Götte
On 01/29/2013 03:20 PM, John Rehwinkel wrote: > I did some research a while back on photoetching services, and found one that > will etch from the front, the back, or both at the customer's option. They > point out that this gives a profile to the etched object. I figured I'd etch > from the b

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-29 Thread Michel van der Meij
OK, I see what you mean. My interpretation of outgassing was wrong, I thought it had to do with gas leaving the envelope but you're referring to trapped gas leaving the metal/plastic parts. I don't know if that problem could be solved, maybe there is a different way that plastic parts can be outgas

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-29 Thread Charles MacDonald
On 13-01-29 02:03 AM, Michel van der Meij wrote: That is really cool stuff! Maybe one day it is possible/affordable to use a 3D printer to print these cathodes and grids using a conductive plastic of some sort. I would expect that the plastic would outgas rather easily, and would not survive

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-29 Thread Michael Gregg
On 01/29/2013 06:20 AM, John Rehwinkel wrote: >> The research that I did for stainless enchants all seem like they are >> processes that would require a fume hood. Most of the processes containing >> HCl and HNO3. I do not have a fume hood :( > I'll go chase down what Micromark sells in their kit

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-29 Thread John Rehwinkel
> The research that I did for stainless enchants all seem like they are > processes that would require a fume hood. Most of the processes containing > HCl and HNO3. I do not have a fume hood :( I'll go chase down what Micromark sells in their kit, which specifically states it works with stainle

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-29 Thread Michel van der Meij
Well, I mean the envelope is still glass but only the inner works are 3D printed. I had a quick search on google after my post and there is actually quite a development going on in electrically conductive 3D printing technology. Some claim "low cost" but not sure if that would be good enough to mak

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-29 Thread jb-electronics
Hi Michel, [...] using a conductive plastic of some sort. I don't know for sure, but you might face a hell of outgassing if you use plastic. Jens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiv

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-29 Thread michael gregg
I don't know about 3d printing the cathodes. As for chemically etching these plates, I am pretty sure you won't have to put the pattern on both sides of the plate. You could completely cover one side of the plate with a even coat of etch resist. Then, you'll be able to put your design on the oth

Re: [neonixie-l] Etching anodes and cathodes

2013-01-28 Thread Michel van der Meij
That is really cool stuff!Maybe one day it is possible/affordable to use a 3D printer to print these cathodes and grids using a conductive plastic of some sort. As it is all low current, it may not need to have very low resistance. And then of course, if you had 2 types of material in your printer