[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Nick
This thread has moved well away from technical content to personal attacks - its now closed. Move along to the next thread please! On Feb 27, 9:11 pm, Cobra007 wrote: > > Michel tries to shoot holes in the advice from David Forbes > > to have a look at the SN75468 as an alternative for MPSA42's

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Cobra007
> Michel tries to shoot holes in the advice from David Forbes > to have a look at the SN75468 as an alternative for MPSA42's. > Unfortunately, Michel seems not to notice that most of the > time he talks out of his arse. Luckily, there are folks pointing > out to him there is room for improvement. I

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Frank Bemelman
ndeed, that is pointing out errors and helping each other. Have to admit we're a fine group, don't you agree? ;-) Cheers, Frank -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Lucky Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:03 PM To: neonixie-l Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Adam Jacobs
I agree. I also take some exception to the idea that using rectified mains is somehow horrifically dangerous and never done in modern times. There's nothing wrong with an unisolated HV supply, provided that the case is designed in such a way that no part of the design can come in contact with a

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Lucky
Wow, slow down chaps, must be a highly talented thing all this having a dig. All Michel said (in response to a comment "For future reference, the TI SN75468 has seven MPSA42s in it") was "They are not exactly the same, standard MPSA42s are 300V while as the SN75468 is only 100V." (which is true) th

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Adam Jacobs
You can also write a monitoring thread into your program. A little defensive coding can go a long way here. Another option is to not drive your nixies at more current than they are supposed to receive when direct-driven, that is what I do. Sure, the nixies are a little dimmer (although I don't

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread dr pepper
You can protect against crashed programs from toasting tubes, at least with the pic micro by using the watchdog timer, carashes can be detected and dealt with. For real expensive tubes you could add a capacitor resistor missing pulse detector to power down the ht if the multiplex anode switches die

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Cobra007
No no, the issue was that it was stated that 7 transistors MPSA42 with a 300 Vceo could be replaced by 1 IC SN75468 with a 100 Vceo. The only thing I remarked was that this is only possible if the used voltage is not too high (not over 250V) because otherwise you couldn't blink the nixies to set t

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Nick
On Feb 27, 11:21 am, Cobra007 wrote: > In short, > > Take a look at Geert's clock here:http://www.dos4ever.com/geert/geert.html > > Now, I do not know Geert but it seems to me he knows quite well what > he is doing. Check the HV power supply he uses for his clock and > estimate what the DC voltage

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Cobra007
In short, Take a look at Geert's clock here: http://www.dos4ever.com/geert/geert.html Now, I do not know Geert but it seems to me he knows quite well what he is doing. Check the HV power supply he uses for his clock and estimate what the DC voltage will be. Or else, how about this one? http://ww

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Nick
On Feb 27, 10:42 am, Cobra007 wrote: > I don't know how many clocks will run over 180V but I did read > somewhere that some people just take the rectified mains power and use > that to drive the nixies. Nobody in their right mind has used rectified mains for nixies for a long long time. There are

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Cobra007
Hello Frank, I don't know how many clocks will run over 180V but I did read somewhere that some people just take the rectified mains power and use that to drive the nixies. I wouldn't recommend doing that, but apparently some people choose simplicity over safety. Now I don't know in which part of

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-27 Thread Frank Bemelman
Few things perhaps. It is not very common that nixies are powered with _more_ than 180V. Of cource you can wonder what happens if you use 300V, or 1000V, or... And do we really need to connect pin 9 of the SN75468 to a 100V zener? Who suggested that? BTW, any news on your nixiewatch project? D

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-26 Thread Cobra007
That is a nice module you got there! I don't want to spend too much time on this and definitely not act as if I know everything better, but your circuit is powered by 170V which means the mentioned problem wouldn't be there. I draw a small circuit here: http://xiac.com/Images/Nixie300V.GIF The o

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-26 Thread taylorjpt
Page 17 shows the voltages on cathode "6" of an IN12 vs all the other cathodes being driven: http://www.tayloredge.com/storefront/SmartNixie/DataSheets/Datasheet_SmartNixie.pdf The other cathodes capacitively couple to each other but the driven cathode gets nearly all of the current. You will s

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-26 Thread Nick
On Feb 25, 9:39 pm, Cobra007 wrote: > Don't you think they might turn on? No -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neo

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-25 Thread Cobra007
> > Not so - the cathode drivers only see about 60-80V due to the drop in > the nixies when on - think about it! There is no need at all to use > anything over 100V Vceo > > Nick Hi Nick, Yes that is true, but what if the nixies are not on? Suppose the tubes blink when setting the time? The anod

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-25 Thread Nick
On Feb 25, 12:43 pm, Cobra007 wrote: > They are not exactly the same, standard MPSA42s are 300V while as the > SN75468 is only 100V. > > I think this could be a problem if voltages over 250V are used to > power the nixies. Not so - the cathode drivers only see about 60-80V due to the drop in the

[neonixie-l] Re: Important Lesson Learned Today...

2012-02-25 Thread Cobra007
They are not exactly the same, standard MPSA42s are 300V while as the SN75468 is only 100V. I think this could be a problem if voltages over 250V are used to power the nixies. Michel On Feb 25, 4:58 pm, David Forbes wrote: > On 2/24/12 10:38 PM, Spencer wrote: > > > So I have learned today