[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-31 Thread 'threeneurons' via neonixie-l
On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 4:42:53 AM UTC-7, Chuck wrote: > > 360 ohms is way too little resistance for *any* sort of > TTL pullup resistor! That apparently got confused with > the standard *pull down* resistor used to keep an unattended > TTL input *low*. 360 ohms for a TTL pulldown is

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-31 Thread JohnK
h. John K - Original Message - From: "chuck richards" <chuc...@all2easy.net> To: <neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 10:12 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit 360 ohms is way too little resistance for *any* sort of TTL pullu

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-31 Thread chuck richards
!! (This is all explained in great detail on page 12 of Don Lancaster's famous TTL Cookbook) Original Message From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:38:26 -0700 (PDT) > > > >

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-31 Thread chuck richards
ooglegroups.com >Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit >Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 18:25:39 -0700 (PDT) > >>Sorry that it took me so long to get back about this clock problem. >We have >>the clock work perfectly now. I have to give my friend Mike all the >c

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-30 Thread 'threeneurons' via neonixie-l
I'm a little late to the party, and the discussion between old 74xx versus 74LSxx caught my attention. In most cases, I'd favor the newer 74LS over the original 74xx. But the resistor values (360 ohm) paint you into using the older series, because 5V / 360ohms gives you 13.9mA. The value

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-30 Thread JohnK
: dave.do...@comcast.net To: neonixie-l Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 11:55 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit Sorry that it took me so long to get back about this clock problem. We have the clock work perfectly now. I have to give my friend Mike all the credit

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-30 Thread dave.do...@comcast.net
Sorry that it took me so long to get back about this clock problem. We have the clock work perfectly now. I have to give my friend Mike all the credit for figuring this out. It appears that the original clock design schematic calls for 7400 series ICs but the BOM calls for 74LSXX. Mike has a IC

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-12 Thread JohnK
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 5:28 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit Here is a copy of the BOM On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 6:37:54 PM UTC-6, dave@comcast.net wrote: I'm hoping that someone out there can help me with a problem that I am having with a Taylor

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-10 Thread dave.do...@comcast.net
Here is a copy of the BOM On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 6:37:54 PM UTC-6, dave@comcast.net wrote: > > I'm hoping that someone out there can help me with a problem that I am > having with a Taylor Edge clock kit that I built. After completing the kit > and plugging it in it seemed to be

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-10 Thread gregebert
Take a close look at the signal amplitudes (best to use a scope); if the resistor values are causing the logic gates to be overloaded [either due to wrong IC, wrong logic family, wrong resistor value, solder short/open] , you will see incorrect levels. Generally, logic-0 will be 200mV or less

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-10 Thread JohnK
t 360 ohms? Have their values been changed on the board or in the BOM? John K. - Original Message - From: dave.do...@comcast.net To: neonixie-l Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 10:41 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit Just wanted to update everyone o

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-10 Thread Dekatron42
What happens if you set all three time switches and the halt/set switch in the SET position and then push the INCR button, do all counters advance one step each so that they count properly or do soem still count in the strange sequence? I would also make sure that VCC and GND are present on

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-10 Thread dave.do...@comcast.net
Just wanted to update everyone on where we are at on this project. One of the first things that my friend Mike questioned was why are we using 74LS series instead of 7400. I have order new ICs for everything except the 141s. Here is the last update that I received from him. Ok, did some

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-09 Thread 'Terry S' via neonixie-l
First we need some clarification of the problem, as your original post contains a discrepancy. At one point you say the 10 minute tube is not counting correctly, then later you say it is fine. This is probably a typo, but let's hear the answer. Nick, the 10s are driven by 92's and the 1s by

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-09 Thread David Speck MD
as in one of the customer returns that I analysed). Eeek!! John K - Original Message - From: "Nick" <n...@desmith.net> To: "neonixie-l" <neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:37 PM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-09 Thread JohnK
der bridge to a different part of the circuit as in one of the customer returns that I analysed).Eeek!! John K - Original Message - From: "Nick" <n...@desmith.net> To: "neonixie-l" <neonixie-l@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:3

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-09 Thread Tidak Ada
: donderdag 9 maart 2017 4:07 Aan: neonixie-l Onderwerp: [neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit ...Also, reading your problem description isolates the issue to the 10s digits. The 10s are driven by 7490s whereas the units are driven by 7492s. Do you have the right chips in the right places? I'd

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-08 Thread Nick
...Also, reading your problem description isolates the issue to the 10s digits. The 10s are driven by 7490s whereas the units are driven by 7492s. Do you have the right chips in the right places? I'd also try swapping round the 74141s between the 10s and units to see if the problem moves with

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-08 Thread Nick
If the BOM specified LS, use LS. The Taylor stuff is good - it's more likely that you have an assembly error. Randomly changing stuff to see what happens is not a good approach. I'd start by very thoroughly checking that you have the right components in the right places, that you don't have

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-08 Thread dave.do...@comcast.net
Your question about the TTL type was discussed between my friend and I. He asked me why I used 74LS instead of 7400. I told him that 74LS00, 74LS90, and 74LS92 is what was on the BOM for the kit. He also thought that a 7400 may work better. I will try that first and see what happens. Will let

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-07 Thread Nick
I suspect they're there to "latch-up" the buffer to debounce the switches - pulling the input to ground with "de-latch" it. - these are o/c buffers, hence R12, R14 & R16. Nick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "neonixie-l" group. To unsubscribe from

[neonixie-l] Re: Taylor Edge Nixie Clock Kit

2017-03-07 Thread gregebert
Clocking problem. I've been looking at the peculiar buffering on the clock signals (7417 open-collector buffer), and cant come up with a good reason why R11, R13, and R15 are present. I'd be especially concerned about unstable operation, as this circuit has positive feedback. Are you using