[NetBehaviour] Experience, Minnesota

2024-09-15 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
D, E, D, F# Town where I dwell Some call it Midwest hell I call it right on time It rings out like a bell Farms and lakes abound We all go ramblin' around The buzzin' and the bugs We like that rocky sound D, E, F#, G O, Fitzgerald Rogers Nelson Bobby Stinson E, G Experience for sure Ancie

[NetBehaviour] Early post for August about t-shirts for the Louvre

2024-08-01 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ One might not immediately recognize the political relevance of Leonardo da Vinci for the century of climate change, accelerated technology, and various forms of social disruption. However, he saw our situation today pretty clearly in advance and designed his works in accordance with ex

[NetBehaviour] AI/GPT test: fake interview somebody human

2024-05-15 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Interview with Andrew North Whitehead, philosopher from England, 1861-1947 Test of artificial interview detection skills and efficiency +++ MH: Welcome Professor Whitehead, thank you for your time. ANW: It's my pleasure. MH: Do you know the picture called La Gioconda, La Joconde, the M

[NetBehaviour] A bonus extra about something that happened a very long time ago

2024-04-27 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Web log 18 The Mindful Mona Lisa: Portrait of Experience By Max Herman Saturday, 09/12/2020 https://leonardo.info/blog/2020/09/12/the-mindful-mona-lisa-portrait-of-experience As a lifelong pioneer across the arts and sciences, Leonardo took both risks and precautions when he traversed c

Re: [NetBehaviour] a few random items -- Black Swans on the Side of Good; a brief reply in honor of Leonardo's birthday yesterday.

2024-04-16 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
lack swan" event. No one could have predicted it, but it would have an inordinate effect. The Summer Olympics of 2024 might be known forever after as the Paris of Experience, where for some fortuitous reason the European tradition and the rest of the world's traditions rebalanced thems

[NetBehaviour] a few random items

2024-04-15 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Prehistoric science, a la Graeber and Wengrow's "Dawn of Everything," from the preface to an old book from 1969 by Giorgio di Santillana: "This time I was able to grasp the idea at a glance, because I was ready for it. Many, many years before, I had questioned myself, in a note, about the

[NetBehaviour] Outward Figures: Faustus, La Gioconda, Time's Gravity, and Us

2024-03-15 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ The recent call for ideas about how to use ad hoc means, possibly unpermitted ones, to survive or protect certain cherished values when formerly stable systems like the climate and the rule of law are collapsing reminded me of the Mona Lisa. After all, just a few days or weeks ago someone

[NetBehaviour] Leonardo vs. Machiavelli: The Mediocrity of Evil and a New Saint Genevieve

2024-02-10 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ The modern world has problems. No longer ancient and starting sort of from scratch, no longer medieval with short lifespans and a simple church-state duopoly, and certainly no longer indigenous in direct mutual dialogue with nature like a woven fabric, our problems are unique enough to ha

[NetBehaviour] Tokarczuk's "Ognosia, " various "Experience" findings

2024-01-19 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
"loose, organic network structure" References to Leonardo in Ognosia, Flights, and Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead Blake Experience Jung and bridges "In the social sphere, perhaps there will be a new and proper valuation of decentralized structures organized in networks" "Today,

[NetBehaviour] Mutus Liber, Tokarczuk, Graeber and Wengrow

2023-12-20 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Jung writes very clearly in Psychology and Alchemy, 1953 (2023 minus 70, 1873 plus 80), some say his most influential book: "As a doctor it is my task to help the patient cope with life. I cannot presume to pass judgment on their final decisions, because I know from experience that all c

[NetBehaviour] Esperienza Gold Bullion

2023-11-22 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Esperienza Gold Bullion is an unencrypted value fabric sub-technology based on this email (EGB~1). It follows the novel validation basis called Proof-of-Experience using a "brick weave" design with a high degree of indeterminate or quantum variability and analog preference. Four photogra

[NetBehaviour] a new network art for a new network politics

2023-10-20 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Events may be getting out of control worldwide due to the war in Gaza. Virtually all players in the military world are lined up on one side or the other and ready to jump in if certain conditions occur or are expected to occur. This is like World War I where the elaborate chaos of allian

[NetBehaviour] Renaissance Network Oil Paint Art; or, There's Still Time to Change

2023-10-09 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Alchemy is strange. It's what they used to call science when it was still superstitious, and maybe it still is. After all, what is superstition but trying to say you know things you don't know, and can do things you can't do? And it seems like people still can't sustain the planet and

[NetBehaviour] Six Reminders for the Age of Network Machines

2023-09-14 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Italo Calvino's 1985 book of five short essays, Six Memos for the Next Millennium, which discusses the "hypernovel" as a network, was published posthumously not as designed. What was supposed to happen was for Calvino to travel from Italy to Harvard, Massachusetts and deliver the Memos as

[NetBehaviour] La Comédie Machinique // Experience in the Canterbury Tales // Scientific American

2023-08-04 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Not everyone knows what Dante called his famous 1321 epic of catabasis. Later dubbed "La Divina Commedia" by Boccaccio, it was actually called by Dante simply "Comedia" or Comedy. (No "the," no "divine," and not even two m's.) Boccaccio's own 1353 long imaginative work of prose The Deca

[NetBehaviour] haiku and crypto-A.I.I.

2023-07-10 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
injured cardinal looked at me, asked me a question asked the question, "Caw?" +++ Neuroscientist and author Anil Seth in his 2022 book Being You suggests that "experience" is the defining measure of consciousness, a "controlled hallucination" or "interoceptive inference" based on predictiv

[NetBehaviour] La Commedia Meccanica

2023-06-04 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
La Commedia Meccanica: Intelligent Modernity of Experience, Experiment, and Esperienza Abstract: Early Anthropocene culture centers on fear of technological tragedy. The anticipated losses may be of any type: cultural, ecological, ethnic, institutional, climactic, even planetary. Great los

[NetBehaviour] simplified account of image identification to train artificially aesthetic-intelligent machines with that they might help save earth's biosphere from destruction by humans if possible

2023-05-05 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
+++ Art for Our Sake: a 21st Century Mona Lisa This year marks the 150th anniversary of what some consider the most famous prose ever written about a painting: Walter Pater’s 1873 collection of essays The Renaissance. Transcending and departing from Victorian thought, Pater’s description of

[NetBehaviour] Walter Pater, Diaphaneity, Network Intelligence

2023-04-10 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
In 1864, Walter Pater published his first essay "Diaphaneitè." During the US Civil War. The year after the Gettysburg Address. https://www.laits.utexas.edu/farrell/documents/DIAPHANEITI.pdf Trying to move literature and society beyond, out of, Victorianism to something new and better. Something o

Re: [NetBehaviour] Network and Experience in Tokarczuk, Pater, and Leonardo

2023-03-17 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Minor clarification, I read the fragment by Pater in 2022 and read the rest of The Renaissance and Marius the Epicurean in 2023. Apologies for this convolution! From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10

[NetBehaviour] Network and Experience in Tokarczuk, Pater, and Leonardo

2023-03-15 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
"In its blog post, OpenAI said GPT-4 still makes many of the errors of previous versions, including 'hallucinating' nonsense, perpetuating social biases and offering bad advice. It also lacks knowledge of events that happened after about September 2021, when its training data was finalized, an

[NetBehaviour] Walter Pater conference June 2023

2023-02-11 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, Just wanted to share this link (walterpater.com) to an Oxford conference this June marking the 150th anniversary of Walter Pater's influential proto-modernist book of essays The Renaissance. It was in this work that his renowned paragraph about the Mona Lisa found its main audience an

[NetBehaviour] the symbol of the modern idea

2023-01-06 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
The Aesthetic Movement: Walter Pater on the Mona Lisa The Renaissance (London, 1893). Berkeley and Los Angeles, 1980, pp. 98-99. "The presence that rose thus so strangely beside the waters, is expressive of what in the ways of a thousand years men had come to desire. Hers is the head upon which

[NetBehaviour] Random notes for the end of the year

2022-12-26 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Why the Mona Lisa is network art für die Zeitenwende: 1. New media qua new media – * new is a transient status that crosses historical time * Once newer media are now older. How old? Furthermore: they are used in older or newer ways. Things get old fast. 2. Network technolo

[NetBehaviour] Six phrases pour les ponts et les fleuves de Paris

2022-11-30 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
1. J'ai une théorie selon laquelle la Joconde est une allégorie. 2. Le pont symbolise le flux de l'histoire de l'art, de la science et de l'ingénierie. 3. Le vêtement symbolise leur état actuel, à la fois porté et tissé par la figure. 4. La figure est une allégorie d'Esperienza, qui

[NetBehaviour] All Hallow's Eve

2022-10-31 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I'm almost done with my trilogy about Leonardo, Dante, and Machiavelli -- the same basic stuff I've been posting about for the last couple of years. Once complete I don't know that there will be a whole lot more to the enterprise, such as getting a Ph.D. or academic post and such like

Re: [NetBehaviour] First review of Frankenstein Reanimated :-)

2022-09-28 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Marc, I just got my copy of the book last week and have started reading it. Great to see so many on the list represented! For now I've just read the intro and conclusion, and skimmed the images and chapters, because of the different "eye" and vocabulary I'm using for current work in progre

[NetBehaviour] network roots and the origins of modernity

2022-08-31 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
I recently noticed an article about how spiders use their web for cognitive tasks, hypothetically, in what is called "extended cognition." The truth of this hypothesis depends somewhat on how you define cognition, or intelligence, or consciousness, and how you define tools or distinguish them

[NetBehaviour] Fritjof Capra and the network/systems interpretation of Leonardo da Vinci

2022-07-07 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I had a vague sense of having heard of his book The Tao of Physics (1975) at some point, but only this week found Fritjof Capra's writings about Leonardo. He sees a lot of the systems and network principles in Leonardo's work that I also believe to be there. Specific books of interes

Re: [NetBehaviour] Offlist reply -- Re: toegristle #357

2022-06-29 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Oh darn... 🙂 From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:12 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Cc: Max Herman Subject: [NetBehaviour] Offlist reply -- Re: toegristle #357 Hi Corey

[NetBehaviour] Offlist reply -- Re: toegristle #357

2022-06-29 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Corey, It is good to see another image in this series today. The old cameras are nice, and remind me of the Retina IIa I was using last week having found it in an old box. I'm pretty sure I used it totally wrong, not reading the instruction book, but we'll see. Dropping off the film toda

[NetBehaviour] thoughts on solstice, water, earth, and crises of modernity

2022-06-12 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, There's an interesting astronomical event this month, that occurs every 18 years, where several planets line up in order. It happens pre-dawn so I haven't seen it yet but plan to soon and especially on the 24th when the moon will line up too. Planets have always been an interesting n

[NetBehaviour] old media and net art

2022-05-02 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I've got a very basic work about the Italian Renaissance (in part) as part of a very interesting assemblage of works for the wrong bienniale no. 5 at https://thewrong.leonardo.info/. The collection and works are all from last year and therefore out of sync time-wise, perhaps, but that

[NetBehaviour] Bridge as metaphor in a recent book on the environmental humanities and Leonardo

2022-04-13 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, As I continue my research about Leonardo I've looked more closely at Leslie Geddes' commentary on the bridge in her 2020 book Watermarks: Leonardo da Vinci and the Mastery of Nature. (The title is partly ironic, I'm sure.) Excerpted below, the scope and extent of her evaluation of the

Re: [NetBehaviour] antiwar letter

2022-03-18 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
I asked someone a bit older, born in 1947, about this on Wednesday. They hadn't heard of the pro-war letter but when I asked what they thought might be a good anti-war letter they said M for peace i.e. Mir. I was thinking of a different letter, more angry and complex, but I think theirs is th

[NetBehaviour] antiwar letter

2022-03-15 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Curious what people think of the letter being used as a pro war meme. Makes me wonder how much this war is a product of the web 2.0. Is there an antiwar letter out there yet? Wishing wellbeing for all. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@list

[NetBehaviour] The Great Gate

2022-03-08 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
These days I avoid the news feed because the imagery is so demoralizing and savage. I approach the information sideways, out of the corner of my eye, flickering, so that it doesn't eat my whole brain so to speak. What can be done, what can be done. There is certainly a cacophony of explanat

[NetBehaviour] science about knots

2022-03-04 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I've been wondering lately about how and whether the Webb Telescope may relate in any way to the great umbrella/rubric of "network culture." I see a lot of network effects, metaphors, phenomena, patterns in astrophysics -- fields, strings, probabilities, particles, systems, flows -- b

[NetBehaviour] Politics and Sustainability -- The Esperienza of Leonardo da Vinci

2022-02-20 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, Given the high European membership on this list I would imagine that there is a lot of anxiety regarding the possibility of land conflict currently dominating the news. There certainly is deep apprehension in the US, as far as I can tell, and personally I share this albeit from a much

[NetBehaviour] random notes

2022-02-11 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, After some more checking I have no new information about the origin of the Latin word nota (meaning "note," as in musical tone, written character, etc.). It's still odd to me that such a basic word would have unknown origin. Does this mean that sometimes words appear out of nowhere f

Re: [NetBehaviour] nota bene

2022-01-31 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
e but lacking any rigorous knowledge at all it could also be utterly ridiculous. 🙂 All best, Max ________________ From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 1:54 PM To: Alan Sondheim ; Max Herman via NetBehaviour Cc: Max Herman

Re: [NetBehaviour] nota bene

2022-01-30 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Not sure if related, but knot is "granthi" in Sanskrit and the related "granthin" means reading books From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Alan Sondheim Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 12:06 PM To: Max Herman via NetBehaviour Subject: Re: [Net

[NetBehaviour] nota bene

2022-01-30 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, Trying to learn a bit of Italian here and there to better understand Leonardo, I looked up the etymology for "note" yesterday. Instant internet facts might not be true but it does appear to go back quite clearly to the Latin nota: 'c. 1300, "a song, music, melody; instrumental music;

Re: [NetBehaviour] looking back in time into absences

2021-12-29 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Johannes, As the year draws to an end I like the idea of looking backward in time. For me 2021 was mostly about studying Dante Alighieri's works and their effect on the works of Leonardo. Like two black holes at the center of the modern galaxy, these two figures perhaps more than any other

Re: [NetBehaviour] 🐕Interspecies Meditation and Sharing Circle🌳

2021-12-21 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Happy Solstice Ruth! I greatly enjoyed this meditation and concept. Would onlist feedback make sense? I'm wondering if the circles are more intended for those doing the activity together. All best to all, Max From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Ruth Catlow vi

[NetBehaviour] The Architectural Mona Lisa

2021-11-23 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, Researching this past month I noted an interesting quote by Paul Valery in his 1895 essay "Introduction to the Method of Leonardo da Vinci." (One wonders why it is called an "Introduction," when there is no other work subsequently attached, but perhaps it is a kind of boast unsurprisi

Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

2021-11-01 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
ains; and if there is a pattern what else could be in the process of being similarly acquired then sold back? This could also be overstating the case on my part, a kind of commercial phobia, not sure. All best, Max ________ From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman

Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

2021-10-29 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Anthony, That is a very interesting idea from Heydenreich, who I've never read and don't really know anything about though the name sounds familiar. I did read somewhere that Leonardo's Arno Valley is sometimes considered the first true landscape, but I am too uneducated in art history to

Re: [NetBehaviour] Ontological Banding

2021-10-28 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Anthony, I never read Milles Plateaux (sp.?) as I felt that if I ever really needed to know something from it someone could quote it or explain it to me. So this is such a case, possibly even the first! For whatever reason, theoretical language is something I prefer not to use very much b

[NetBehaviour] correction -- Re: Home, Home on the Screen

2021-10-20 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I posted a wrong link; here is the article I meant to reference about chiasmus in Stevens' poetry: Robert Hariman, "What is a Chiasmus? Or, Why the Abyss Stares Back," from 2014, which discusses "The Motive for Metaphor": https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt9qcqv1.6 "The use of chiasmu

Re: [NetBehaviour] Home, Home on the Screen

2021-10-20 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Paul, This is really interesting and great to read. Is the role of machine generation something you explain as part of the work, or leave in question? Just reading it at face value, black box, I like how it exists in pieces or short sections. I count 16, oddly starting at 0, and ending in

Re: [NetBehaviour] Reminder: POWERS OF TRUTH: China, Tech, Art and Resistance (October 1-3, Berlin & Online)

2021-10-02 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Very interesting and informative discussions, thank you for the event! From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Tatiana Bazzichelli Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 4:49 AM To: Netbehaviour NEW Subject: [NetBehaviour] Reminder: POWERS OF TRUTH: China, Tech, Art and

Re: [NetBehaviour] What would happen if art institutions would work with energy budgets?

2021-09-30 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Joana, This project sounds really interesting! There is something missing from or overlooked in the now-standard model of a building in which special objects exist that are visited by viewers in a kind of circulatory way. Clearly there were and still are obvious reasons for such a quasi-N

Re: [NetBehaviour] re Leonardo addendum

2021-09-28 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Correction: the author is Nina Witoszek, from Oslo University. From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2021 4:49 PM To: netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org Cc: Max Herman Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] re

Re: [NetBehaviour] re Leonardo addendum

2021-09-28 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
The "Leonardo video" is almost a genre in itself! 🙂 Here is one of the only examples I've found watchable, from the 2017 Aspen event, starting at about 27:00. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtYhVk7qsSI&t=6s https://www.aspeninstitute.org/events/leonardo-da-vinci-celebration-wonder-imaginatio

Re: [NetBehaviour] Wavelets, water, bridges

2021-09-22 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Johannes, That sounds like a great project! I will check it out. The book actually delves quite a lot into water as itself being a bridge. For example, it claims that the Latin word for bridge derives from the ancient Greek word for sea, and that ancient Greece understood the sea to be a

Re: [NetBehaviour] Wavelets

2021-09-22 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Anthony! I couldn't agree more. The most common bridges here are over the Mississippi, and every time I cross one I think an appreciate thought about the river and thereby all water and all nature. In this way the bridge means more to me, and something better, than just "I want to get mys

Re: [NetBehaviour] Wavelets

2021-09-21 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
A very nice image and narrative Simon, thank you! It has a haunting quality which is somehow quite encouraging. It reminds me very much of Calvino's style in the best sense, as well as a very nice visit I had on Saturday to local Lake Nokomis here. Yesterday I got a copy of a very interestin

[NetBehaviour] Great Valery essay on Leonardo

2021-09-20 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I just found a cool essay by Paul Valery called "Introduction to the Method of Leonardo da Vinci," which he wrote in 1895 at the tender age of 24 and updated in 1930. Valery focuses on many of the aspects of Leonardo's technique which I believe are part of his principle of Esperienza,

[NetBehaviour] Question about Emerson's poem and essay "Experience"

2021-09-18 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, Out of curiosity, is anyone familiar with Emerson's poem "Experience"? The accompanying essay quotes Galileo's "pero si muove" and mentions Dante in ways that may relate to Leonardo's own philosophy of experience (esperienza). https://emersoncentral.com/texts/essays-second-series/exper

[NetBehaviour] possible reference to Rodomonte's Bridge in the Mona Lisa

2021-09-13 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I've been overly busy this past month but wanted to mention a new hypothesis that the bridge in the Mona Lisa could be a reference to Rodomonte's Bridge, as featured in Italian epic poems by Boiardo (Orlando Innamorato, circa 1490) and Ariosto (Orlando Furioso, 1516). Leonardo's fondn

Re: [NetBehaviour] Your Vote is Important to the People's Park Plinth! ✨🗳

2021-08-26 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Ruth, I just finished voting and think this is a fantastic concept and framework. The participatory nature of it is so important for sustainable and resilient art community. Mammoth frameworks of big-data algorithms and high-dollar collector transactions simply don't do certain things tha

Re: [NetBehaviour] Mathesis in Pain

2021-08-21 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
I had to look up Mathesis and found it not in the dictionary, but then found Leibniz's Mathesis Universalis, with its universal synthesis, art of combination, art of invention, and so on. In some ways, the pre-Socratics foresaw the future better than many post-Socratics. Archimedes almost inv

Re: [NetBehaviour] It's Voting Weekend: People’s Park Plinth x CultureStake at Furtherfield Gallery

2021-08-15 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Ruth, This looks marvelously done and I look forward to viewing the projects! For some reason, looking at the overview link I got the sense that humanity is still in the early stages of integrating technology with a sustainable planet. Up to now, so much of our history has been that of ext

Re: [NetBehaviour] creativity net works! Doesn't it?

2021-08-11 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Simon, I like how these crafts are part of the sea and sky, intermixed. Webs can catch and tangle but sails are webs too! The boat I'm most often reminded of these days is predictably that in Leonardo's dog and eagle allegory: https://www.rct.uk/collection/912496/an-allegory-with-a-dog-an

Re: [NetBehaviour] six weeks left

2021-08-05 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Alan, I have to agree about the time cost of reading Finnegan's Wake. What percent of the 17 years it took to write should one spend? Beckett has an interesting comment in his essay, that Finnegan's Wake is not meant to be read, or "not only read," but looked at and listened to. He argued

Re: [NetBehaviour] six weeks left

2021-08-04 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
y one of the strangest I've read! One question, you move between/through Leonardo and Dante - what other people, periods, intensities, have you written within/without? It's fascinating work - Best, Alan - On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 6:11 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@list

Re: [NetBehaviour] Riverrun Theory, Garments, and Dante

2021-07-29 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
ger * Her most recent poetry collection is titled "The Body Returns" From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Hi Graziano, Apologies for my anglo-centrism! I was browsing wikipedia and saw that Blake helped something o

Re: [NetBehaviour] NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 1326, Issue 1

2021-07-26 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
If anyone can make sense of this article by Nail et al., please do! 🙂 https://www.academia.edu/40986241/WHAT_IS_NEW_MATERIALISM From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 11:38 AM To: netbehaviour

Re: [NetBehaviour] NetBehaviour Digest, Vol 1326, Issue 1

2021-07-26 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Anthony, Super interesting reference to Thomas Nail's work! I wonder if "Being and Motion" is a reference to "Being and Time"? My philosophy reading is even patchier than my Joyce. In my research about Leonardo, much of which has consisted of emailing art historians to ask for recommende

Re: [NetBehaviour] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI

2021-07-25 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
event, television seems a very quaint "final" technology given what we see the internet getting up to nowadays. Very best, Max From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 3:22 PM To: Graziano Milano ; NetBehavio

Re: [NetBehaviour] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI

2021-07-25 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
ur] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI Honest to God, I have Noh Idea! You should tell us, you do amazing close reading! Best, Alan On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 1:18 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote: Hi Alan, I am curious about the Four

Re: [NetBehaviour] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI

2021-07-25 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
of diminishing returns on such connection-making? I can't say for sure, but one knows it when one sees it! 🙂 All best, Max From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 12:51 PM To: NetBehaviour for network

Re: [NetBehaviour] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI

2021-07-25 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
: Re: [NetBehaviour] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI Honest to God, I have Noh Idea! You should tell us, you do amazing close reading! Best, Alan On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 1:18 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote: Hi Alan, I am curious

Re: [NetBehaviour] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI

2021-07-25 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Alan, I am curious about the Four Thunders. Might they compare at all to the following "modes of reading" which Dante expounds in Convivio II, in order to explain Ode 1? (I am very unused to Dante's curious habit in La Vita Nuova and Il Convivio of writing a poem, then explaining what it

Re: [NetBehaviour] DHSI TALK 2016 RIVERRUN THEORY DHSI

2021-07-25 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Anthony, I was trying to place "riverrun" too and I think it is from James Joyce, perhaps Finnegan's Wake? Some of the material seems to invoke streams of consciousness, streams of data, "course" being perhaps the key word? I was interested recently to find that "curriculum" meant "chariot

[NetBehaviour] Fw: analogy and AI poetry

2021-07-23 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
which is very lovely. https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-brain-maps-out-ideas-and-memories-like-spaces-20190114/ All best, Max From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 10:42 AM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativi

Re: [NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

2021-07-23 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
claws that grasp the souls of the worst sinners.. More tomorrow, when I will ask you all about time and drawing. best Johannes Birringer From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: 23 July 2021 Hi Graziano, Great informatio

Re: [NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

2021-07-23 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
on.pdf, that >> offered what was then a new point of view on how to consider AI. >> >> // Paul >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 2:10 PM Paul Hertz >> mailto:igno...@gmail.com><mailto:igno...@gmail.com<mailto:igno...@gmail.com>>&

[NetBehaviour] monsters and metamorphoses

2021-07-21 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, In my haphazard quest since the summer of 2019 to discern if there is any visual or thematic (verbal) meaning to the bridge and garment in Leonardo's most famous portrait, Esperienza, I was inevitably led to look at literature or as they say "Leonardo's Books." Among these were Dante b

Re: [NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

2021-07-17 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
rate precisely because it was embodied. Some of his ideas are presented in the movie Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control, directed ISTR by Errol Morris. If you haven't seen it yet, I can recommend it. -- Paul On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:38 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.net

Re: [NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

2021-07-16 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
isely because it was embodied. Some of his ideas are presented in the movie Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control, directed ISTR by Errol Morris. If you haven't seen it yet, I can recommend it. -- Paul On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:38 PM Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehavi

Re: [NetBehaviour] Space blocks time

2021-07-16 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Simon this is great! I was just reading Calvino's second story in Cosmicomics yesterday, the nebula one, it reminds in the best sense. Resonates too somehow with the Madonna of the Rocks, not Wasps haha, a picture confusing to me of which I prefer the more pointed Louvre version which got il

Re: [NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

2021-07-14 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
14, 2021 at 2:10 PM Paul Hertz mailto:igno...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Max, The robotics researcher Rodney Brooks back in the late 1980s argued the AI based on the construction of a "knowledge base" was bound to fail. He made the case that a robot adapting to an environment was far mor

[NetBehaviour] analogy and AI poetry

2021-07-14 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I know virtually nothing about AI, beyond what the letters stand for, but noticed this new article in Quanta Magazine. Does it pertain at all? Interestingly it concludes that in order for AI to be human-like it will need to understand analogy, the basis of abstraction, which may requ

[NetBehaviour] final piece of the puzzle

2021-07-10 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I just wanted to post a quick finding based on finishing Keizer's book yesterday. In ancient Greece, the debate as to which art was supreme -- poetry or painting -- centered on the famous Apelles. His fame equalled that of all other Greeks, poets, sculptors, or architects, but zero o

[NetBehaviour] online tour of Berlin State Library's exhibit of "Leonardo's Books"

2021-07-08 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, This is an interesting example of a traditional venue -- a library -- attempting to move an event online due to the pandemic. This page features an intriguing central sculpture and discusses the "labyrinth" design of the space: https://leonardo-online.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/en/knowledge-

Re: [NetBehaviour] #lastesis

2021-07-08 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi agee, So interesting to hear about Chile's new constitutional project, and that their president is both indigenous and a linguist. Writing a new constitution is definitely a challenge not just for politics but for literature. I'm not too familiar with Chilean literature, but skimmed a list

[NetBehaviour] Interesting 2019 book, "Leonardo's Paradox" by Joost Keizer

2021-07-06 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I just got this book last week and it has some amazing material about Leonardo and writing. It compares aspects of Leonardo's process to modern artists such as Twombly and I believe also to a variety of theorists including Benjamin. The relationship of writing, speaking, and visual p

Re: [NetBehaviour] Bluejay

2021-07-03 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Alan, I like your photo and phrasing here! The line of soil reminded me of the water horizon in the Mona Lisa, which I've been studying as it is a bit unusual. Not sure if this is part of your poem, but I've been looking at weaving as a motif and theme in Dante and Leonardo (possibly linked

Re: [NetBehaviour] NOW LIVE! 🌳 People's Park Plinth 👾 | Hervisions x Ayesha Tan Jones

2021-06-25 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Ruth, The Plinth and Based on a Tree Story both look fantastic! Parks -- especially urban ones, perhaps -- are so important as cultural and artistic places. They are very different from buildings, like museums, libraries, or theaters (all of which are great too in their own ways). It is

Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas

2021-06-22 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
ting to see how the maze was used by the Templar’s the masons and the scholars studying the Kabbala. The maze as metaphor is very powerful. Ana On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 11:27, Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviour.org>> wrote: Hi Jessica and happy solstice all!

Re: [NetBehaviour] labyrinth, maze, atlas

2021-06-21 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
he maze at the cathedral of Chartres and it’s very interesting to see how the maze was used by the Templar’s the masons and the scholars studying the Kabbala. The maze as metaphor is very powerful. Ana On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 11:27, Max Herman via NetBehaviour mailto:netbehaviour@lists.netbehaviou

Re: [NetBehaviour] Netbehaviour list renewal - happy lurker

2021-06-21 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Jessica and happy solstice all! The giant labyrinth sounds intriguing. A very ancient form, and so different from one person making an art object then selling it to another. Perhaps the latter is the greatest illusion of all? A distraction in a maze. Labyrinths -- well I could go on and

Re: [NetBehaviour] Julu Twine and Alan Dojoji: The Missing Files:

2021-06-16 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Alan, A long reflection I wrote yesterday, no need to read but feel free if you wish! 🙂 +++ Today I was reading Canto 10, the first episode inside the gates of Purgatorio, and what does Dante see first? Paintings! (Sort of.) https://digitaldante.columbia.edu/dante/divine-comedy/purgato

Re: [NetBehaviour] Reality Structures

2021-06-14 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi all, I wrote the below yesterday and made a few minor edits this morning. It's almost completely silly and foolish doggerel so please do not take it seriously as verse! I tried to mention some points of possible conceptual interest regarding Dante's potential relevance to contemporary con

Re: [NetBehaviour] Eat your place in space

2021-06-12 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Paul, Such an interesting post and image, thank you! In your signature, I see a kind of A-B-B'-A' or "chiasmus" pattern, which I learned about just last year: (*,+,#,=)(#,=,*,+)(=,#,+,*)(+,*,=,#) asterisk, plus, number, equals number, equals, asterisk, plus equals, number, plus, asterisk p

Re: [NetBehaviour] offlist -- Re: Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland

2021-06-12 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
So sorry for posting this to all! Oh well, no harm no foul I hope! Arg. From: NetBehaviour on behalf of Max Herman via NetBehaviour Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2021 11:17 AM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Cc: Max Herman Subject

[NetBehaviour] offlist -- Re: Netbehaviour renewal - Occupy? a commons? by a fire, in the ruins in an ancient woodland

2021-06-12 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Hi Ruth, I really appreciate your dedication and clarity in helping the list be its best. Many years ago I briefly attempted to coordinate a list or two and it was terribly difficult, so what you have already achieved with Netbehaviour is quite significant. The prospects for continuing, evol

Re: [NetBehaviour] Reality Structures

2021-06-11 Thread Max Herman via NetBehaviour
Feel better Alan! I am getting lots of aches and twinges after starting to move more again after pandemic rigor immobilis. Time seemed distorted this past year, both compressed and elongated, causing odd concretions. I like the jpg of water rock and flora. Just before viewing it just now I w

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