Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
Simon makes some interesting points. This is a fascinating discussion and something of real interest to me. I would question whether art doesn't produce knowledge (about the world and about art practice itself). I think art does produce knowledge and arguments about the world. The form of this knowledge of course is often, but no always different to that produced by science. Knowledge of course comes from the greek Gnosis which is a kind of experiential, intuitive knowing of the world which many in the arts will identify with. One of the big shifts in recent years induced by the kinds of funding research projects discussed in this thread is the requirement for artists to document verbalize and make available the knowledge that their practice produces outside of the actual experience of the work itself. Often in written documents. In my opinion this has been beneficial for the research community as it makes this knowledge, knowing and insight available and portable. It also helps us develop shared languages to discuss our work and experiences which is also to the good. It of course shouldn't stand in for the experience of the work itself but be seen as complementary to it. best Tom Corby Simon Biggs wrote: Hi Yann The distinctions you make between art and science are entirely reasonable and I would not disagree. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean you can’t work with both, between or across them. The epistemological distinctions you identify are especially important. Whilst novelty is a given in art the production of knowledge is not. In science it is the other way around – knowledge is default but novelty a far more rare phenomena. Artists doing research, especially those undertaking PhD’s, are well advised to remember these differences. They will be required to produce new knowledge. The first part of that (the novelty) is not something most artists have a problem with. It is therefore the second part (knowledge) they have to take greater care with. That can be very difficult and there is always the danger that in the process of meeting that demand you lose the art. The question of where knowledge lies in art, if at all, is key. But for every artist it is different. It is unsafe to generalise about these things. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@ eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *yann le guennec i...@x-arn.org *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:15:30 +0200 *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearch OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] Well, i think it will be a bit difficult for me to explain my point of view in english... but let's try... At a certain level, this question is about paradigms. Scientific research is based on some rules, including the ability to reproduce previous obtained and published results. So it is for experimental and physical science research, but also for mathematic, biology, et.. a researcher should be able to reproduce a demonstration, according to the fact that mathematic concepts can not suffer any semantic ambiguity. insuch a context, it's quite usefull to cite authors of previous experiments as contextual informations, kinf od metadata allowing to link works and reseach in a corpus. So it is in 'soft sciences', or 'humans sciences' like psychology, sociology, etc... concepts, results and experiments have to be referenced (authors, years) in order to disambiguate them and compose the corpus of the domain. All this scientific domains, more or less formal, ...are domains, with some kinds of borders, dominant theories, specific concepts, etc...they are articulated on reseach paradigms at the epistemic level. From my point of view, art (and in a way also design) is 'epistemic in itself', it means art generates as many paradigms that are necessary to the diversity of forms and expressions. Art is not a domain because it does not need to self-reference itself, and does not need to be logicaly articulated in a corpus. It can be the case for some kind of practices, in some artistics subcategories, but it's not a formal rule for its existence. So there is a big gap at this level between art + design and science + research. I'm also interested in this question, and i saw some people in France (mostly in art and design school) are trying sometimes to define a field for artistic research or design research, that does not yet exist. But if it exist one day, i don't think that it can be initiated only on the basis of imported paradigms. I better imagine that art practicies are able to propose other paradigms for research and thinking. (well, i
[NetBehaviour] Australian censorship
Not sure of the veracity of this..could anyone comment? http://www.gossipgamers.com/australias-net-will-filter-ma15-games/ The Australian government http://www.gossipgamers.com/tag/government/ has set their eyes on gamers, promising to user its internet censorship regime to block websites hosting and selling video games that are not suitable for 15 year olds. Can you imagine the number of games that will be included? I was feeling bad for Germans http://www.gossipgamers.com/all-violent-games-may-be-banned-in-germany/ as there was a proposed banning for all violent games but Australia http://www.gossipgamers.com/tag/australia/ is about to take it much harder. To further complicate things, Australia does not have even have a R18+ rating. For video games, MA15+ is as high as it goes while movies and such has R18+ and X18+. Games will be required to modify their content to meet the MA15+ guidelines in order for distribution. Corrado Morgana ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
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[NetBehaviour] Reminder-- 3 4 of July -- RAINFOREST OF DAVID TUDOR
DON'T FORGET TO BOOK YOUR TICKET ONLINE // A10lab, Area10, Apo33, Noise=Noise, Beyond Signal, Fibrr Records Sound Research Practice, Goldsmiths presents: // RAINFOREST IV - DAVID TUDOR a collaborative environmental work, spatially mixing the live sounds of suspended sculptures and found objects, with their transformed reflections in an audio system. /// PERFORMANCE INSTALLATION 3rd 4th of July 2009 - from 2pm to 23pm £10 (online booking http://www.wegottickets.com) £12 (on the door) at AREA10 PROJECT SPACE Eagle Wharf Peckham Hill Street London - SE15 5JT (White building behind the Library) Buses: 12, 36, 37, 63, 78, 436, 345, 177, 312, 343 Train: Peckham Rye Station /// In 1973 I made Rainforest IV where the objects that the sounds are sent through are very large so that they have their own presence in space. I mean, they actually sound locally in the space where they are hanging as well as being supplemented by a loudspeaker system. The idea is that if you send sound through materials, the resonant nodes of the materials are released and those can be picked up by contact microphones or phono cartridges and those have a different kind of sound than the object does when you listen to it very close where it's hanging. It becomes like a reflection and it makes, I thought, quite a harmonious and beautiful atmosphere, because wherever you move in the room, you have reminiscences of something you have heard at some other point in the space. It's (can be) a large group piece actually, any number of people can participate in it. It's important that each person makes their own sculpture, decides how to program it, and performs it themselves. Very little instruction is necessary for the piece. I've found it to be almost self-teaching because you discover how to program the devices by seeing what they like to accept. Its been a very rewarding type of activity for me. It's been done by as large a group as 14 people. So that was how our Rainforest was done.? David Tudor Performed by RYAN JORDAN JULIEN OTTAVI KASPER T TOEPLITZ JEAN-BAPTISTE THIEBAUT JOHN BOWERS DOMINIQUE LEROY PHILIP JULIAN CHRIS WEAVER JENNY PICKETT RYO IKESHIRO DAWN SCARFE ANDY WHEDDON DUNCAN RAVENHALL ANTONIS ANTONIOU and more Thanks to ResonanceFM for their support! more informations: http://www.a10lab.info/rainforest // Who is David Tudor? David Tudor was born in Philadelphia, PA, in 1926. He studied with H. William Hawke (organ, theory), Irma Wolpe Rademacher (piano) and Stephan Wolpe (composition and analysis).His first professional activity was as an organist, and he subsequently became known as one of the leading avante-garde pianists of our time. Tudor gave highly acclaimed first or early performances of worksby contemporary composers Earle Brown, Sylvano Bussotti, Morton Feldman, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Christian Wolff, Stephan Wolpe, and La Monte Young, among others. Tudor began working with John Cage in the early fifties, as a member of the Merce Cunningham Dance Company and with Cage's Project of Music for Electronic Tape. Tudor gradually ended his active career as a pianist, turning exclusively to the composition of live electronic music. As a composer, Tudor chose specific electronic components and their interconnections to define both composition and performance drawing upon resources that were both flexible and complex. Tudor was one of four Core Artists who collaborated on the design of the Pepsi Pavilion for Expo '70, Osaka, Japan, a project of Experiments in Art and Technology, Inc. Many of Tudor's compositions have involved collaborative visual forces: light systems, laser projections, dance, theater, television, film. Tudor's last project, Toneburst: Maps and Fragments, was a collaboration with visual artist Sophia Ogielska. Tudor's several collaborations with visual artist Jacqueline Monnier included the development of a kite environment installed at the Whitney Museum (Philip Morris, NYC) in 1986, at the exhibition Klangraume in Dusseldorf in 1988, and at the Jack Tilton Gallery in New York City in 1990. Other collaborators have included Lowell Cross, Molly Davies, Viola Farber, Anthony Martin, and Robert Rauschenberg. Tudor had been affiliated with the Merce Cunningham Dance Company (MCDC) since its inception in the summer of 1953. In 1992, after CageÕs death, Tudor took over as Music Director of MCDC. Merce Cunningham has commissioned numerous works from Tudor,
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things| Art Research
Hi Everyone, I've been following the conversation into and around the subject of art research over the past few days. I've been a bit reluctant to jump in, because art based research is difficult to define, mostly because it's an emerging collection of practices not defined by a distinct praxis. That is both it's strength and it's limit... But artistic research is how my work has been situated by others. So, I thought I'd start by throwing my website into the conversation. It's here: http://www.visualandcritical.net/user/heidineubauerwinterburn Curiously, Heidi ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things| Art Research
oopps... That is both its strength and its limit... On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:53 PM, heidi c.r.n-winterburn hcwin...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, I've been following the conversation into and around the subject of art research over the past few days. I've been a bit reluctant to jump in, because art based research is difficult to define, mostly because it's an emerging collection of practices not defined by a distinct praxis. That is both it's strength and it's limit... But artistic research is how my work has been situated by others. So, I thought I'd start by throwing my website into the conversation. It's here: http://www.visualandcritical.net/user/heidineubauerwinterburn Curiously, Heidi ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
Good one! Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:35:26 -0700 (PDT) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearch OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/sous_les_paves/epistemology.html ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
But as I mentioned in an earlier post, you cannot safely cite Wikipedia! Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:35:26 -0700 (PDT) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearch OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/sous_les_paves/epistemology.html ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] signal pumping
signal pumping http://www.alansondheim.org/pumpsignal.mp4 signal pumping with memory signal pumping with memory ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
I tend to think that science produces knowledge about the world, but this knowledge is inherently abstract - string theory, for example, where mathesis becomes almost autonomous. Art relates directly to reception, to consciousness - the experience of negatively curved space for example. The boundaries are indeed blurred, but are there. The problem (and interest) for me lies with science and cosmology; the universe appears increasingly 'alien' without the potential for modeling on a perceptual level: what does it mean to comprehend, say, our cosmos, if comprehension occurs only on the register of mathematical abstraction - and abstraction which may be inherently other (I'm thinking even of such things as the computer solution to the 4-color problem - issues of inelegance and ungainliness in physics/mathematics). - Alan | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondh...@panix.com, sondh...@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 ! http://www.facebook.com/alan.sondheim ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
I have recently written a chapter on just this subject for a new book coming out later this year on creative arts practice and research. I could quote it here, but from prior experience I know that it is not a good idea to quote yourself from a pending publication. Generally I agree with Alan¹s position, although I might use the word apprehension rather than comprehension. Nevertheless, we have to look carefully at the social value of these activities and phenomena. Our own personal understandings of these things are all well and fine, very likely well intentioned and thought through. However, it is how these things are socially assimilated and instrumentalised that really matters. An important arena for the debate here is sociology, not just epistemology. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearch OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] I tend to think that science produces knowledge about the world, but this knowledge is inherently abstract - string theory, for example, where mathesis becomes almost autonomous. Art relates directly to reception, to consciousness - the experience of negatively curved space for example. The boundaries are indeed blurred, but are there. The problem (and interest) for me lies with science and cosmology; the universe appears increasingly 'alien' without the potential for modeling on a perceptual level: what does it mean to comprehend, say, our cosmos, if comprehension occurs only on the register of mathematical abstraction - and abstraction which may be inherently other (I'm thinking even of such things as the computer solution to the 4-color problem - issues of inelegance and ungainliness in physics/mathematics). - Alan | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondh...@panix.com, sondh...@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 ! http://www.facebook.com/alan.sondheim ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
There are different kinds of knowledge and perhaps not all forms of knowing are best described with the word knowledge. As I mentioned in my reply to Alan’s post, the word apprehension can be useful. As Alan suggested, compehension is another descriptor. There are many others, each with their own associations. However, arguing semantics is not going to help us a great deal. We have to look at practice; what actually happens and how/why value then accrues to those activities and phenomena. I would suggest the key question concerns the value of knowledge. Why is it important and to whom? Is it important to everyone for the same reasons or do different (knowledge) communities have different reasons for assigning the value they do to these things? To me this looks like a rhetorical question with a one word answer – yes. Many questions then lead on from that. As Tom says, it is a fascinating area. He is also right to note that these sorts of questions have become important to artists in recent years due to shifts in funding and the public role of the arts. That brings us back to the question concerning the value of knowledge. We can also ask that question of creativity. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: tom corby tom.co...@btinternet.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:50:12 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearch OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] Simon makes some interesting points. This is a fascinating discussion and something of real interest to me. I would question whether art doesn't produce knowledge (about the world and about art practice itself). I think art does produce knowledge and arguments about the world. The form of this knowledge of course is often, but no always different to that produced by science. Knowledge of course comes from the greek Gnosis which is a kind of experiential, intuitive knowing of the world which many in the arts will identify with. One of the big shifts in recent years induced by the kinds of funding research projects discussed in this thread is the requirement for artists to document verbalize and make available the knowledge that their practice produces outside of the actual experience of the work itself. Often in written documents. In my opinion this has been beneficial for the research community as it makes this knowledge, knowing and insight available and portable. It also helps us develop shared languages to discuss our work and experiences which is also to the good. It of course shouldn't stand in for the experience of the work itself but be seen as complementary to it. best Tom Corby Simon Biggs wrote: Hi Yann The distinctions you make between art and science are entirely reasonable and I would not disagree. Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean you can’t work with both, between or across them. The epistemological distinctions you identify are especially important. Whilst novelty is a given in art the production of knowledge is not. In science it is the other way around – knowledge is default but novelty a far more rare phenomena. Artists doing research, especially those undertaking PhD’s, are well advised to remember these differences. They will be required to produce new knowledge. The first part of that (the novelty) is not something most artists have a problem with. It is therefore the second part (knowledge) they have to take greater care with. That can be very difficult and there is always the danger that in the process of meeting that demand you lose the art. The question of where knowledge lies in art, if at all, is key. But for every artist it is different. It is unsafe to generalise about these things. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@ eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk *From: *yann le guennec i...@x-arn.org *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Date: *Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:15:30 +0200 *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearch OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] Well, i think it will be a bit difficult for me to explain my point of view in english... but let's try... At a certain level, this question is about paradigms. Scientific research is based on some rules, including the ability to reproduce previous obtained and published results. So it is for experimental and physical science research, but also for mathematic, biology, et.. a researcher should be
[NetBehaviour] This Is A Pixel...
This is a pixel → ■ This is another → ■ This is a third → ■ Now make some net art. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] The challenges of bringing computing into a museum and a slum are not really all that different.
The challenges of bringing computing into a museum and a slum are not really all that different. - Neil Gershenfeld, 'Fab'. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] This Is A Pixel...
netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:42:47 + X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.positive-internet.com) Message-ID: jfosr2du.1246214567.1394690.ja...@jwm-art.net In-Reply-To: 4a47ad72.9030...@robmyers.org From: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net Bounce-To: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net Errors-To: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=rwp_part_ja...@jwm-art.net1246214567 This message is in MIME format. --rwp_part_ja...@jwm-art.net1246214567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/6/2009, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: This is a pixel =E2=86=92 =E2=96=A0 This is another =E2=86=92 =E2=96=A0 This is a third =E2=86=92 =E2=96=A0 Now make some net art. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour --rwp_part_ja...@jwm-art.net1246214567 Content-Type: image/png; name=pixel_net_art-0.0.1.png Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=pixel_net_art-0.0.1.png iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAAAfQAAAJYBAMAAABmzgmxAXNSR0IArs4c6QAAADBQTFRFBwYE Oy0qUExIY0lFcUlHTWxEZWRgeGNkZHVjlH99f5SOtoWjlKmosaSgvsrI+/z7hWrk4AAAIABJREFU eNrsvW9sG+eZL0pare0Y2x4OxzHNIOklx9eUbMQ5oYbogB98cHNJgNAHL7YBeCAYRSCxXfoPEq+p ITSYD/TGurDAEq5jWYLnTLujJAbs1RKqfL4Wi0WaACfwERTZcs61lt0MXQu4jq0jUe1+yKauTd3n ed8ZckgNKVKSnXTX08YjUhI1v3me5/f8fd9xrP6HPRzPoT+H/hz60zrKT+NDP3ou9efQW9aF51Jv +Vh5Opfxp2+AbJ5L/Tn059D/XR3lbz308qbCk+dS/wahb7WP+ui51L+10D96rvD/8aCXv+UQy/bB d/k/ptT/9Fzhn0N/Dv0bPe4+l/pz6E83fHou9X9H8ekWS7383NafQ/8zO1aeS/059Dahf6vY/k/f gNSffKsu/bnCP0voT9PJf/QMP+m51O2P/61/psPxxRfwz291cszgW5/hWf8C3yzAe599of/Pz774 jPzwzGf4zS/g6y/IT+i6Rs4zn+FpRjfe1MlL/TP6c7rx4gv8PnwkfCD87zP8v3F8Rv6Hb/wL+buf wd+d/Owz+tuVj9bhDXJBBfqZX8xuGHqf4xs/vrup397+5wzd8S2D/p2nLKzvPl3oHz2XerMw45uB 7iL/Or+dCv8tOf7qOc09h/7tg+7a/Ec4GV56xtBPPx0Ga8vBMZwEBx9+va179eeu8E5mnyxJoiDy PC+M/IexdcbTSaTNC4CbZ3h+dCOfsmPDtblvBjrD8gBapNLmWfgfD18J/96lziBqIm3EHSTQ6SG1 aOzf+TOE7jRgCxQqWwFND+H005b6R88W+l+ZfCZJKtFyvsHBCqlvt8I723wfv8UKklXajaCv69md DWmuQX3tm1R4p5unsEW+hUNy/dnRnMvesN37TEJr7RDDGzD2nd8M9MZCYihqXuTbOTYS1KwLvdwu 9I2H5QzbKWGEJrYOm+s2vhhtv6rzLXFuToY1+ExoR9ihaNTkOdefm60TYTPCBlScIo+lo0FeUNg2 M5hvA3TGXeGzYEt8ZpxESU7xP/zptZ6/T0eA3zcU1Hxz0J0kGqfCDgZZPtUKdJYlLk/kmXCKF/5+ MJqO/t8b5bmd30S+7oQ8W5VpfBbEzMvIwVo6JFGS0rsjbvjd5E+j0YihCNK3X+pOtlNWzABNZNsA 3U0TVAl+QwpJQfg94eS1pMkQGdcGoH+0Oeh/1YawO8Xa+KwlPhdoaCNIqqjCrUL/ZxPbtm/sT13q LpPGJUlZNxhfq90p/B0JtEPwSwM/wbsmVO5d0Jq/tZ/BPAuFZ35Cg/F9TfIPxk7YsqSkhAE/S7Am ueRPqr/AkF9gqVvwM2uN3bm10Ffaho6pF5i20CxAkzrXROsSwiZaIgryPOGEUCRNGS0YNPwb3B02 haAFHb8ht2nszqcndSdjpF4NbXgf5bhOqV7YCsIeIGyY9hCQbFU/zC8iRNR8xT1Irz8zhT/dNBoX m6bZxKMJYs19YYNM0IhmpQFu30AnvXGsGeywNTGPyEi1PjHYtrFvndS/a/IZvx6hsYwUDqKDtgZo bojHo6wide7p5g5Isqqqslz1BmwVpoBuDV0cw5q/C6GwKPDKN0lzSOMiXm4Dy2ZQgEIn/EzNu6i5 IUAWijIqGr4qq3jzRBN00FQVGs0BSvg3KIuU7vxI+Z5BPtiuse/YMPR36z+qk7CSGGyg4jwfhlR8 QLLJvhgCnRUAOhyK1Q5Yclsi9DQgeljCgfBZo8B33UZFA8xC5INhV3sp85ZJ3eUQSLDVIA1BEYU5 u++Eg3IQcXkVPsKo9bQYCvHRSCTCwod7eDAH80669xE3oMiKqsiywoqRtoOaLVR40a8G18al3Qm8 SKLi9d/CNkIIFRehu93ufVYVgSMaifIRtIQozwoCkAf5AMh0OFQwRZFkoANFAehSMB15o8UM5rtb D90ZpuZXp+ZgiQN8xROjaYuM4buJVCMMQ7Q5ko5afjESDUVCgFySOpWwBNh5hM4zbnenjJEOilqW VIANbAinlBCNtMtzWwe9oyY6Az2WRGXUyuHUJyf3CQZ22jyC3IuvkzYgDcH/gqGIRAP2NPwMwwSp t5ORBBXFlDiFPuCJRNk2eW7D0D+qt6zdphpTkMLgGp5/A9/uZsFoGx6g4aDXEVEQPIIUCsWkWDqC 8Vt3tyA1PVi4O22WZbdO6iz1Pby0r96lh4hGAxR8Mfh/xuyLTSGAzUdDIQ8fjsgobpA1KgSCVqVD 8wShijYOzk8GgasK8YL0xCDPzbU1U7N10RxaL8ama7xXdycohBCKyBT6/yOs8fpo1QLIWxQjoVAY 7pwUi8WI+gNshZRl3CJ+mXhnHrEbyl5Rejil0nCfRr8hqfO8Uimd1RDWGA/Qw7xh09XeGWuqOOEz oVOFICbKxwQRHBrv9mBA2C0p3Tqyp6TqguTR1P92TJCpqPFUpTk1FW7b2LcMutMmeKM1GDWFZ6mi DiyYBUoUbwX4LrhRu+HbSNxiNCZigCZQ3wXhzWWF0aSMHnS7VV5iOO5AQaijOZlCH/CCB2xQlvU9 Zegd9aAh1iQhmJ8znFktiYOQRP6NmCB0gs+PAljKZyTtEQjylJ9RGckvp5yaKDGaX5ALA7xM09kK dEmmLyUWnKNwsfVsfQuhszUpJWNGMEI0Gq0j8RD4bD6C8uZTPTKmqJTPaAddOaAUeUhf0KsFAXPw 8Igrk5D8GUUBqUNqh7QmYxBHlF42T0FgRU9bxr5zK6ETKse6AtuoZxCJkvAM+CyCfCbGojEk/G6x 6qb2MeM8xmlYosmIUurQ7WDm0gGR44zvK7Y0J6XARbDSN2LrbEXaaT7Cr4lSIEtBaUcjkjAgA6Ao +G+J/EInMXMarfBqAWR9JgWBGghTSR0elUa8oylWcnfjj1X5DU6qcaJBnZLygHbJvm8COto2W9sj IW7e4DP4N4I3IiSSfBT5jGc5gSdWTaDLt5mMAqJVALoh21RYkS7R/oyiGlSuWkRtoTlV9ERCbDj1 DUB3IokHJd4mKEXooWhKFEWAzGNYinxG5awbfSdBD3rnGe+oB+D4D5vQBwJY9ZBreE1eC52cJQa0 Tbj0zUCvl3aI8BnQGpYTIyDceQufqQSyH6tQ6uXxuQ49+MJ80Pu5ANoMxIY0B9qsSGbgZnuyRnOK CjzHt2XsW0VzHfV8BiBDkKFAkMZHVF6MEKY3nJdh2VJY1XlIzRjvghOkXvB75lHEwUNzhObqiGy9 l5C8hapBjevZQbf4NgCJ8o6RhFOEL2k9qruzilqQtIGgNupntG7RM8/A/zXFUwA6AwyyIowCdZEq ROWEb8vGyfK25SQDz0XZdjKY7VsMPfRGlGg+C75LSitSOhTjWbeb5F3KgJYCYhNUfZQ5/DmjChio BDt0yF4ZVmQ6SdlF8YMbs8pWlSv8phov62xdId+VWDEUCY98I9A9ERasOtQj/BBTbCGWpvGZgEE7 QuelYEbSCowQ9N72e+6AdkvMuKwwezAz2UcycQJDqgWn1uq+PXSs1DAYz40+C+gf1Pq2oMsDWUgK zBvcdIzwGWvQuKrqn0MCoopMJuXWmc7kgds8o4N3lwcEGqgQqpLrTiRiMwI321NNNKcqfkx71A1B
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
It's both I think, how these things are assimilated, but also what they mean personally; for me there's no ultimate value in either, but different sorts of values (and interests). I'm personally interested in the relationship of consciousness to these complexities (and have written on that also). I'm not sure 'well intentioned' applies here; one might comprehend with all sorts of intentions as well. - Alan On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Simon Biggs wrote: I have recently written a chapter on just this subject for a new book coming out later this year on creative arts practice and research. I could quote it here, but from prior experience I know that it is not a good idea to quote yourself from a pending publication. Generally I agree with Alan?s position, although I might use the word apprehension rather than comprehension. Nevertheless, we have to look carefully at the social value of these activities and phenomena. Our own personal understandings of these things are all well and fine, very likely well intentioned and thought through. However, it is how these things are socially assimilated and instrumentalised that really matters. An important arena for the debate here is sociology, not just epistemology. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearch OpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] I tend to think that science produces knowledge about the world, but this knowledge is inherently abstract - string theory, for example, where mathesis becomes almost autonomous. Art relates directly to reception, to consciousness - the experience of negatively curved space for example. The boundaries are indeed blurred, but are there. The problem (and interest) for me lies with science and cosmology; the universe appears increasingly 'alien' without the potential for modeling on a perceptual level: what does it mean to comprehend, say, our cosmos, if comprehension occurs only on the register of mathematical abstraction - and abstraction which may be inherently other (I'm thinking even of such things as the computer solution to the 4-color problem - issues of inelegance and ungainliness in physics/mathematics). - Alan | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondh...@panix.com, sondh...@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 ! http://www.facebook.com/alan.sondheim ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 | Alan Sondheim Mail archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ | Webpage (directory) at http://www.alansondheim.org | sondh...@panix.com, sondh...@gmail.org, tel US 718-813-3285 ! http://www.facebook.com/alan.sondheim ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] This Is A Pixel...
On 28/6/2009, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: This is a pixel â â This is another â â This is a third â â Now make some net art. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour attachment: 1px.gif___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] This Is A Pixel...
my first post in reply to this thread was actually supposed to have the following image attached: http://www.jwm-art.net/art/image/pixel_net_art-0.0.1.png but as a result of an error in the webmail system the host provides me, you received what the machine reads instead... james. On 28/6/2009, (www-data) ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:42:47 + X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.positive-internet.com) Message-ID: jfosr2du.1246214567.1394690.ja...@jwm-art.net In-Reply-To: 4a47ad72.9030...@robmyers.org From: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net Bounce-To: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net Errors-To: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=rwp_part_ja...@jwm-art.net1246214567 This message is in MIME format. --rwp_part_ja...@jwm-art.net1246214567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28/6/2009, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: This is a pixel =E2=86=92 =E2=96=A0 This is another =E2=86=92 =E2=96=A0 This is a third =E2=86=92 =E2=96=A0 Now make some net art. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour --rwp_part_ja...@jwm-art.net1246214567 Content-Type: image/png; name=pixel_net_art-0.0.1.png Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=pixel_net_art-0.0.1.png iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAAAfQAAAJYBAMAAABmzgmxAXNSR0IArs4c6QAAADBQTFRFBwYE Oy0qUExIY0lFcUlHTWxEZWRgeGNkZHVjlH99f5SOtoWjlKmosaSgvsrI+/z7hWrk4AAAIABJREFU (snip) ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] What I remember about the alien
What I remember about the alien is what happened when s/he took over the linux console of my netbook, beguiling all of us with hir invitation. s/he insisted on the pictorial nature of Cosmic writing, and as you can see, hir invitation surely follows suet. http://www.alansondheim.org/truealien.jpg ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
