Re: [NetBehaviour] It Had To Be Done

[Kath O'Donnell]

Hi Rob, do you mean that the blockchain art is carried within the
blockchain itself? or does the blockchain contain a reference to the
artwork, where it exists externally (online/physical). how large is each
blockchain piece and can it carry other data than hex(?) numbers.
thanks

On 27 July 2016 at 14:13, Rob Myers  wrote:

> http://robmyers.org/2016/07/26/simple-blockchain-art-diagram/
>
> Simple Blockchain Art Diagram, 2016, digital media. After MTAA ca. 1997.
>
> Very obviously adapted from MTAA's "Simple Net Art Diagram".
>
> Proofs of existence stored in Bitcoin block 422422 and 422423.
>
> More details on the project page.
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[NetBehaviour] It Had To Be Done

[Rob Myers]

http://robmyers.org/2016/07/26/simple-blockchain-art-diagram/

Simple Blockchain Art Diagram, 2016, digital media. After MTAA ca. 1997.

Very obviously adapted from MTAA's "Simple Net Art Diagram".

Proofs of existence stored in Bitcoin block 422422 and 422423.

More details on the project page.



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Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[Alan Sondheim]

Howso a coward and howso a hero? One proceeds, we all have our histories, 
we endure. And it's true, if terror controls your life, what then?


I make another piece, I take another breath. Or not another piece, but 
a continuous practice, like breathing, like walking, reading, eating, 
until something puts an end to it, something inside myself, outside 
myself.


The what then, the then what - these questions or states debilitate I 
think.


- Alan

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:


I'm afraid i feel more like a coward and if everyone who goes on, only 
for surviving, is a hero then the word, too, is utterly meaningless to 
me. far from heroic, I feel demoralized, small, degraded, maybe like 
many others; and if we are privileged enough, in some countries or towns 
or villages, to feel relatively safe, to carry on, and thus, as some 
friends told me tonight after we met for soccer practice, to behave "as 
if nothing happened so not to let terror control our life and civil 
liberties,"  then what? do we carry on to make art, make another piece? 
go to a workshop, attend a symposium, read a good review (I just read 
one about an art work called "Those that are near. Those that are far" 
by Walid Raad), carry on?


I guess I tried to precisely point to that hateful liturgy in the poem I
quoted the other day.

Johannes


From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org 
[netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim 
[sondh...@panix.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:52 PM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

Yes! I agree, among everyone here.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:


Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others dear
to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we are
stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the
middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda poets
found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the Stadium
before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote once we are
heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving and for
coping with the small chores of everydays life.
Ana

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim  wrote:


  We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say
  "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is
  almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries
  where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey
  is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking
  ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen
  of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters
  the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't
  forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one
  is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression -
  and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening,
  it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in
  the United States now, fury from the left and right
  simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has
  to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done?
  Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of
  incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this
  late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so
  many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where
  listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.)

  - Alan


  On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:


apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word
I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after
day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had
sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown
incident, but about your poetic media work with the
QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had
jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died.
I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what
warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for
our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking
for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of
democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are
fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly
or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey
yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have
now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are
told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb
on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who
may have a backpack on their shou

Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[rinus van alebeek]

Could that be a work of art,
conceptual
to imagine what it would feel like
if the news arrived after two weeks,
with a post boat?

web 

radio 

label 

residency 

On 26 July 2016 at 22:15, Johannes Birringer <
johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> I'm afraid i feel more like a coward
> and if everyone who goes on, only for surviving, is a hero
> then the word, too, is utterly meaningless to me. far from heroic,
> I feel demoralized, small, degraded, maybe like many others; and if we are
> privileged
> enough, in some countries or towns or villages, to feel relatively safe,
> to carry on, and thus, as some friends told me tonight after we met for
> soccer practice, to behave "as if nothing happened so not to let terror
> control our life and civil liberties,"  then what?
> do we carry on to make art, make another piece? go to a workshop, attend a
> symposium,
> read a good review (I just read one about an art work called "Those that
> are near. Those that are far"
> by Walid Raad), carry on?
>
> I guess I tried to precisely point to that hateful liturgy in the poem I
> quoted the other day.
>
> Johannes
>
> 
> From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [
> netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [
> sondh...@panix.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:52 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich
>
> Yes! I agree, among everyone here.
>
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>
> > Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others
> dear
> > to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we
> are
> > stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the
> > middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda
> poets
> > found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the Stadium
> > before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote once we
> are
> > heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving and for
> > coping with the small chores of everydays life.
> > Ana
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say
> >   "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is
> >   almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries
> >   where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey
> >   is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking
> >   ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen
> >   of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters
> >   the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't
> >   forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one
> >   is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression -
> >   and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening,
> >   it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in
> >   the United States now, fury from the left and right
> >   simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has
> >   to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done?
> >   Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of
> >   incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this
> >   late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so
> >   many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where
> >   listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.)
> >
> >   - Alan
> >
> >
> >   On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:
> >
> >
> > apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word
> > I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after
> > day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had
> > sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown
> > incident, but about your poetic media work with the
> > QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had
> > jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died.
> > I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what
> > warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for
> > our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking
> > for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of
> > democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are
> > fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly
> > or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey
> > yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have
> > now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are
> > told, sorry, you c

Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[Johannes Birringer]

I'm afraid i feel more like a coward
and if everyone who goes on, only for surviving, is a hero
then the word, too, is utterly meaningless to me. far from heroic,
I feel demoralized, small, degraded, maybe like many others; and if we are 
privileged
enough, in some countries or towns or villages, to feel relatively safe,
to carry on, and thus, as some friends told me tonight after we met for
soccer practice, to behave "as if nothing happened so not to let terror
control our life and civil liberties,"  then what? 
do we carry on to make art, make another piece? go to a workshop, attend a 
symposium, 
read a good review (I just read one about an art work called "Those that are 
near. Those that are far"
by Walid Raad), carry on? 

I guess I tried to precisely point to that hateful liturgy in the poem I
quoted the other day.

Johannes


From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org 
[netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim 
[sondh...@panix.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:52 PM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

Yes! I agree, among everyone here.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:

> Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others dear
> to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we are
> stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the
> middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda poets
> found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the Stadium
> before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote once we are
> heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving and for
> coping with the small chores of everydays life.
> Ana
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim  wrote:
>
>
>   We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say
>   "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is
>   almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries
>   where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey
>   is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking
>   ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen
>   of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters
>   the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't
>   forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one
>   is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression -
>   and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening,
>   it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in
>   the United States now, fury from the left and right
>   simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has
>   to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done?
>   Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of
>   incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this
>   late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so
>   many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where
>   listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.)
>
>   - Alan
>
>
>   On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:
>
>
> apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word
> I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after
> day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had
> sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown
> incident, but about your poetic media work with the
> QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had
> jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died.
> I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what
> warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for
> our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking
> for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of
> democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are
> fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly
> or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey
> yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have
> now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are
> told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb
> on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who
> may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb.
> You stand in line to a rock concert, and the person
> near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood
> restaurant, some one pulls a gun and starts
> shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts
> killing people on the dance floor. You walk on a
> promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck.
> 

Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[Alan Sondheim]

Yes! I agree, among everyone here.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:


Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others dear
to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we are
stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the
middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda poets
found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the Stadium
before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote once we are
heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving and for
coping with the small chores of everydays life.
Ana

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim  wrote:


  We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say
  "just" giving into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is
  almost entirely safe, not however in Turkey or other countries
  where the singularity of the iron fist overshadows all. Turkey
  is turning into another hell; I don't think (and I'm speaking
  ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen
  of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters
  the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't
  forget that there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one
  is living in a constant state of anger, anguish, depression -
  and that is unbelievably counter-productive; that's happening,
  it seems (according to the news) to be happening everywhere in
  the United States now, fury from the left and right
  simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has
  to be another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done?
  Should we accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of
  incandescent accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this
  late stage, to listen to one another? (I admire the work of so
  many on this list who believe in, open up to, the commons where
  listening and activism, art and non-art, prevail.)

  - Alan


  On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:


apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word
I now dread to hear, day after day, and day after
day, and I am sorry i linked something that you had
sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown
incident, but about your poetic media work with the
QRRR and the bridge), with a few lines that I had
jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died.
I was trying to ask the question how we go on, what
warns us to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for
our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking
for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of
democracy we cling to or hope to live in if we are
fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly
or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey
yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have
now been forbidden to travel. Just imagine you are
told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb
on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who
may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb.
You stand in line to a rock concert, and the person
near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood
restaurant, some one pulls a gun and starts
shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts
killing people on the dance floor. You walk on a
promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck.
You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks
did in Kabul, and then there is an explosion. I was
asking for a counter narrative.

regards
Johannes Birringer






From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org
[netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of
Alan Sondheim [sondh...@panix.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed
creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and
counter-Munich

"Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces
sometimes what one might
want to reveal. We just have different attitudes
here. And poverty wasn't
the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize
again, however; the
discussion is too loaded for me as well.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:


  Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and
  terror in Munich and what happened
  in Johnstown are not exclusive but
  includes each other. Poverty and to feel
  

Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[Ana Valdés]

Dear Alan and dear Johannes and dear Ruth and Marc and so many others dear
to me. Dear because we share a feeling of despair and frustration but we
are stubborn enough to believe in beauty, in sharing, in creating...In the
middle of the horrors of the Holocaust camps people created, in Rwanda
poets found time and places to write, in Chile Victor Jara sang at the
Stadium before they cut his hands. I truly belive as Albert Camus wrote
once we are heroes. Not because we make heroic deeds but only for surviving
and for coping with the small chores of everydays life.
Ana

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Alan Sondheim  wrote:

>
>
> We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say "just" giving
> into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is almost entirely safe, not
> however in Turkey or other countries where the singularity of the iron fist
> overshadows all. Turkey is turning into another hell; I don't think (and
> I'm speaking ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to be seen
> of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters the result
> of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't forget that there are
> other moments of exaltation; otherwise one is living in a constant state of
> anger, anguish, depression - and that is unbelievably counter-productive;
> that's happening, it seems (according to the news) to be happening
> everywhere in the United States now, fury from the left and right
> simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has to be
> another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done? Should we
> accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of incandescent
> accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this late stage, to listen to
> one another? (I admire the work of so many on this list who believe in,
> open up to, the commons where listening and activism, art and non-art,
> prevail.)
>
> - Alan
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:
>
>
>> apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word I now dread to hear,
>> day after day, and day after day, and I am sorry i linked something that
>> you had sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown incident, but
>> about your poetic media work with the QRRR and the bridge), with a few
>> lines that I had jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died. I was
>> trying to ask the question how we go on, what warns us to be fearful or to
>> resist fearfulness for our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or seeking
>> for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of democracy we cling to or
>> hope to live in if we are fortunate, and what do you do when the tide
>> quickly or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey yesterday, who
>> tell me artists and academics have now been forbidden to travel. Just
>> imagine you are told, sorry, you can't lave the country. You climb on a
>> train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who may have a backpack on their
>> shoulders, with a bomb. You stand in line to a rock concert, and the person
>> near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood restaurant, some one pulls
>> a gun and starts shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts killing
>> people on the dance floor. You walk on a promenade, somone drives over you
>> in a huge truck. You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks did in
>> Kabul, and then there is an explosion. I was asking for a counter narrative.
>>
>> regards
>> Johannes Birringer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [
>> netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [
>> sondh...@panix.com]
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich
>>
>> "Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces sometimes what one might
>> want to reveal. We just have different attitudes here. And poverty wasn't
>> the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize again, however; the
>> discussion is too loaded for me as well.
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and terror in Munich and what
>>> happened
>>> in Johnstown are not exclusive but includes each other. Poverty and to
>>> feel
>>> different are the mothers of the terror as well.
>>> Ana
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan Sondheim" :
>>>
>>>   First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes
>>>   Back Centuries A phrase used to describe the culprit in the
>>>   Sydney siege stretches centuries back to Native American chiefs,
>>>   Kipling and Crane."
>>>
>>>   I've heard it all my life.
>>>
>>>   Second - The bridge and what happened at Johnstown is quite
>>>   different - two books are David J. Beale, Through the Johnstown
>>>   Flood, and David McCullough, The Johnstown Flood. As I
>>>   mentioned, I think, a minimum of 2209 people

Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[Alan Sondheim]

We go on because otherwise one's giving into fear, I'd say "just" giving 
into fear, and statistically and otherwise one is almost entirely safe, 
not however in Turkey or other countries where the singularity of the iron 
fist overshadows all. Turkey is turning into another hell; I don't think 
(and I'm speaking ignorantly) France for example is. The U.S. remains to 
be seen of course. But there are other natural disasters, and disasters 
the result of negligence or stupidity as well. And we can't forget that 
there are other moments of exaltation; otherwise one is living in a 
constant state of anger, anguish, depression - and that is unbelievably 
counter-productive; that's happening, it seems (according to the news) to 
be happening everywhere in the United States now, fury from the left and 
right simultaneously, and I fear fury as much as anything; there has to be 
another way. So the question is NOW - what is to be done? Should we 
accelerate the violence and rhetoric in a kind of incandescent 
accelerationism, or should we learn, even at this late stage, to listen to 
one another? (I admire the work of so many on this list who believe in, 
open up to, the commons where listening and activism, art and non-art, 
prevail.)


- Alan


On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:



apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word I now dread to hear, 
day after day, and day after day, and I am sorry i linked something that 
you had sent us, Alan (not about the historical Johnstown incident, but 
about your poetic media work with the QRRR and the bridge), with a few 
lines that I had jotted down from a a Munich poet who recently died. I 
was trying to ask the question how we go on, what warns us to be fearful 
or to resist fearfulness for our lives (condemning, perhaps, others or 
seeking for culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of democracy we 
cling to or hope to live in if we are fortunate, and what do you do when 
the tide quickly or gradually turns. I write to friends in Turkey 
yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have now been forbidden to 
travel. Just imagine you are told, sorry, you can't lave the country. 
You climb on a train, and watch out to spot the aggressor who may have a 
backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb. You stand in line to a rock 
concert, and the person near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood 
restaurant, some one pulls a gun and starts shooting. You dance in a 
disco, someone starts killing people on the dance floor. You walk on a 
promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck. You attend a peaceful 
pro democracy rally, as folks did in Kabul, and then there is an 
explosion. I was asking for a counter narrative.


regards
Johannes Birringer






From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org 
[netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim 
[sondh...@panix.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

"Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces sometimes what one might
want to reveal. We just have different attitudes here. And poverty wasn't
the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize again, however; the
discussion is too loaded for me as well.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:



Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and terror in Munich and what happened
in Johnstown are not exclusive but includes each other. Poverty and to feel
different are the mothers of the terror as well.
Ana


Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan Sondheim" :

  First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes
  Back Centuries A phrase used to describe the culprit in the
  Sydney siege stretches centuries back to Native American chiefs,
  Kipling and Crane."

  I've heard it all my life.

  Second - The bridge and what happened at Johnstown is quite
  different - two books are David J. Beale, Through the Johnstown
  Flood, and David McCullough, The Johnstown Flood. As I
  mentioned, I think, a minimum of 2209 people died from drowning,
  the physical force of buildings bearing down upon them, and
  fire. The bridge was a retaining wall for debris, buildings,
  fire, people dead and alive, and animals dead and alive.

  It seems problematic to me - having been up and down in
  Johnstown, seeing the poverty there now, and so forth - to
  immediately have this slip into a dialog about the Olympics and
  the usual discussions on terror. Johnstown wasn't this; it was
  also very much about class differences, etc., but it was also
  about heroic efforts to save thousands and thousands of lives
  (which involved everything from creating hospitals from scratch
  to building railroad tracks in a very few days, etc.). It's not
  that I don't think the other issues and dialogs are important -
  

[NetBehaviour] floodwall

[Alan Sondheim]

floodwall

http://www.alansondheim.org/bctrip3165.jpg
(floodwall still)
http://www.alansondheim.org/floodwallsp.mp4
(floodwall video x10 speed)
http://www.alansondheim.org/floodwall.mp4
(floodwall video)

Description of the piece; Background;
Commentary - The light display; Culled debris text --

Description of the piece:

The light display uses 'modern' Morse to code three tiers of
distress calls: SOS, QRRR, and MAYDAY. These flash slowly, at a
close to unreadable pace, playing off of timing and memory among
the tiers. Morse is already close to obsolete, and I don't think
anyone is using QRRR (part of the Q-code repertoire) today.

After the calls, there is a slow light 'wash' over the bridge,
as if flames were rising (this was suggested by Shelley
Johansson); this represents the between 30 and 60 acres of
debris that slammed and burned against the structure on that
fateful day in May. (Estimates vary as to the number burned
alive, but a rough figure of 80 is likely. See David McCullough,
The Johnstown Flood, Simon and Schuster, 1968.)

Then the cycle repeats. There are black intervals between
segments and code events. There are trains running across the
bridge. The display is on one side only, the side that retained
the debris (the other side is in darkness).

Background:

"The Johnstown Flood (locally, the Great Flood of 1889) occurred
on May 31, 1889, after the catastrophic failure of the South
Fork Dam on the Little Conemaugh River 14 miles (23 km) upstream
of the town of Johnstown, Pennsylvania. The dam broke after
several days of extremely heavy rainfall, unleashing 20 million
tons of water (18 million cubic meters) from the reservoir known
as Lake Conemaugh. With a volumetric flow rate that temporarily
equaled that of the Mississippi River,[2] the flood killed
2,209 people[3] and caused US$17 million of damage (about $450
million in 2015 dollars)." (Wikipedia)

I was given the opportunity to create a light-show program for
the Stone Bridge: "The Stone Bridge spans the Conemaugh River in
Johnstown, Pennsylvania. The bridge is a seven-arch stone
railroad bridge located on the Norfolk Southern Railway
mainline, built by the Pennsylvania Railroad in 1887-88. Its
upstream face was reinforced with concrete in 1929.[1] This
bridge survived the Johnstown Flood of 1889, but the bridge
blocked debris, which subsequently caught fire and created an
inferno covering 30 acres (120,000 m2). The bridge is visible
from Point Park in downtown Johnstown." (ibid.)

And: "A bridge restoration project was developed by community
leaders, to include cleaning and physical and aesthetic
improvements, resurfacing of the south side, and new lighting
with energy-efficient LED lighting adjustable to different
colors and intensities. Estimated to cost $1.2 million, the
project was initiated in 2008 as part of flood commemorative
activities." (ibid.)

Michael Brosig, co-chair of the Stone Bridge Committee, said,

"The significance of the Stone Bridge is that it stood its
ground against the flood waters and altered the future of
Johnstown completely and forever. It created the backdrop for
the event that put Johnstown on the map. Restoring the South
facade of that structure and casting LED lighting on it will
certainly showcase the triumph of the human spirit in a
spectacular style for all to see, enjoy and be proud of their
heritage. Based on its strategic location, it is the lynchpin of
the historic district of our city." (ibid.)

Commentary - The light display:

The light display parallels miscommunication, warnings too late,
muck, murk, the bridge as signifier and vector, the intensity of
the mess at the base of the structure (which increasingly rose
into the air), the indescribable chaos, the negligence, the
violence of the water, the fury of the storm and conflagration,
animals and people caught unawares, the subsequent pawning off
of responsibility by the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club,
the mudflats, the dynamiting of the debris pile, the spread of
typhoid, the screams of those burning alive in the pile, Clara
Barton and the Red Cross, the accounting of The Reverend David
J. Beale, the tree through the house, the leveling of Woodvale,
the yellow press, the eyewitness accounts, the emendations, the
mythos, the symbols, the descent into print, the ascent into
action, the muscle, the care; the light display parallels all
and none of this, the entanglements of an event occurring over a
century and a quarter ago -

Coded by Shelley Johansson, with documentation by Jeremy Justus,
Marissa Landrigan Justus, Azure Carter, and myself

Thanks to
Shelley Johannson, Jeremy Justus, Marissa Landrigan Justus,
and Azure Carter

Culled debris text:

detritus_excretions_sloughings_tears_floods_spews_mercuries_
_flooding_what_does_it_mean,_this_grey_ body...:wonder
flood-flog flooded. again. personal_ws english gertrud in the
sandgranularity of phallocentrism you say, "& soon those
memories flooding, that inert event, signs, costs, wat

Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[Ana Valdés]

I have a Spanish architect friend visiting and we were discussing. When
Erdogan now forbid all academics and artists to leave Turkey, is it not
terror? When we discussed "modern terror" and we label Baader-Meinhof and
Red Brigades and so on as terrorists,Begin and the Stern group in the
beginning of Israel they were terrorists as well.
And when Robespierre killed his fellow comrades as Danton he was stating
that terror works.
And when Darius or Xerxes burned down Athens they were also exercise terror.
My point or try to create a counter narrative is this: terror and wars are
related intrinsically to Humanity and to the developing of societies it's
nothing new or its created by Isis. We must contextualice.
Ana

Den 26 jul 2016 12:18 skrev "Johannes Birringer" <
johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk>:

>
> apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word I now dread to hear,
> day after day, and day after day,
>  and I am sorry i linked something that you had sent us, Alan (not about
> the historical Johnstown incident,
> but about your poetic media work with the QRRR and the bridge), with a few
> lines that I had jotted down from a
> a Munich poet who recently died. I was trying to ask the question how we
> go on, what warns us
> to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for our lives (condemning, perhaps,
> others or seeking for
> culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of democracy we cling to or
> hope to live in if we are
> fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly or gradually turns. I
> write to friends in Turkey
> yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have now been forbidden to
> travel. Just imagine
> you are told, sorry, you can't lave the country.  You climb on a train,
> and watch out to spot the
> aggressor who may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb. You
> stand in line to a
> rock concert, and the person near you blows himself up. You go to a
> fastfood restaurant, some
> one pulls a gun and starts shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts
> killing people on the
> dance floor. You walk on a promenade, somone drives over you in a huge
> truck.
> You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks did in Kabul, and then
> there is an explosion.
> I was asking for a counter narrative.
>
> regards
> Johannes Birringer
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [
> netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim [
> sondh...@panix.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich
>
> "Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces sometimes what one might
> want to reveal. We just have different attitudes here. And poverty wasn't
> the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize again, however; the
> discussion is too loaded for me as well.
>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and terror in Munich and what
> happened
> > in Johnstown are not exclusive but includes each other. Poverty and to
> feel
> > different are the mothers of the terror as well.
> > Ana
> >
> >
> > Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan Sondheim" :
> >
> >   First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes
> >   Back Centuries A phrase used to describe the culprit in the
> >   Sydney siege stretches centuries back to Native American chiefs,
> >   Kipling and Crane."
> >
> >   I've heard it all my life.
> >
> >   Second - The bridge and what happened at Johnstown is quite
> >   different - two books are David J. Beale, Through the Johnstown
> >   Flood, and David McCullough, The Johnstown Flood. As I
> >   mentioned, I think, a minimum of 2209 people died from drowning,
> >   the physical force of buildings bearing down upon them, and
> >   fire. The bridge was a retaining wall for debris, buildings,
> >   fire, people dead and alive, and animals dead and alive.
> >
> >   It seems problematic to me - having been up and down in
> >   Johnstown, seeing the poverty there now, and so forth - to
> >   immediately have this slip into a dialog about the Olympics and
> >   the usual discussions on terror. Johnstown wasn't this; it was
> >   also very much about class differences, etc., but it was also
> >   about heroic efforts to save thousands and thousands of lives
> >   (which involved everything from creating hospitals from scratch
> >   to building railroad tracks in a very few days, etc.). It's not
> >   that I don't think the other issues and dialogs are important -
> >   they're absolutely critical - but the issues are not the same
> >   between the two.
> >
> >   When I was in Johnstown with Azure, we walked to the damsite
> >   (where the dam gave way), where the Little Conemaugh River still
> >   flows - and for us and many people there, the 

Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

[Johannes Birringer]

apologies. yes, it was loaded, and terror is a word I now dread to hear, day 
after day, and day after day,
 and I am sorry i linked something that you had sent us, Alan (not about the 
historical Johnstown incident,
but about your poetic media work with the QRRR and the bridge), with a few 
lines that I had jotted down from a 
a Munich poet who recently died. I was trying to ask the question how we go on, 
what warns us
to be fearful or to resist fearfulness for our lives (condemning, perhaps, 
others or seeking for
culprits to blame), to believe in the kind of democracy we cling to or hope to 
live in if we are
fortunate, and what do you do when the tide quickly or gradually turns. I write 
to friends in Turkey
yesterday, who tell me artists and academics have now been forbidden to travel. 
Just imagine
you are told, sorry, you can't lave the country.  You climb on a train, and 
watch out to spot the
aggressor who may have a backpack on their shoulders, with a bomb. You stand in 
line to a
rock concert, and the person near you blows himself up. You go to a fastfood 
restaurant, some
one pulls a gun and starts shooting. You dance in a disco, someone starts 
killing people on the
dance floor. You walk on a promenade, somone drives over you in a huge truck.
You attend a peaceful pro democracy rally, as folks did in Kabul, and then 
there is an explosion.
I was asking for a counter narrative.

regards
Johannes Birringer






From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org 
[netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Alan Sondheim 
[sondh...@panix.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 1:58 AM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] stone bridges, QRRR and counter-Munich

"Terror" is already a loaded term and it effaces sometimes what one might
want to reveal. We just have different attitudes here. And poverty wasn't
the issue in Johnstown at the time. I apologize again, however; the
discussion is too loaded for me as well.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Ana Vald?s wrote:

>
> Dear Alan I think life is inclusive and terror in Munich and what happened
> in Johnstown are not exclusive but includes each other. Poverty and to feel
> different are the mothers of the terror as well.
> Ana
>
>
> Den 24 jul 2016 21:41 skrev "Alan Sondheim" :
>
>   First -"Lone wolf" - from the WSJ - "The Phrase Lone Wolf Goes
>   Back Centuries A phrase used to describe the culprit in the
>   Sydney siege stretches centuries back to Native American chiefs,
>   Kipling and Crane."
>
>   I've heard it all my life.
>
>   Second - The bridge and what happened at Johnstown is quite
>   different - two books are David J. Beale, Through the Johnstown
>   Flood, and David McCullough, The Johnstown Flood. As I
>   mentioned, I think, a minimum of 2209 people died from drowning,
>   the physical force of buildings bearing down upon them, and
>   fire. The bridge was a retaining wall for debris, buildings,
>   fire, people dead and alive, and animals dead and alive.
>
>   It seems problematic to me - having been up and down in
>   Johnstown, seeing the poverty there now, and so forth - to
>   immediately have this slip into a dialog about the Olympics and
>   the usual discussions on terror. Johnstown wasn't this; it was
>   also very much about class differences, etc., but it was also
>   about heroic efforts to save thousands and thousands of lives
>   (which involved everything from creating hospitals from scratch
>   to building railroad tracks in a very few days, etc.). It's not
>   that I don't think the other issues and dialogs are important -
>   they're absolutely critical - but the issues are not the same
>   between the two.
>
>   When I was in Johnstown with Azure, we walked to the damsite
>   (where the dam gave way), where the Little Conemaugh River still
>   flows - and for us and many people there, the issue is the vile
>   pollution from mine runoff - which kills but slower - that's
>   evident everywhere; the River ran bright orange, nothing lived
>   in it at all, and it's part of the watershed.
>
>   I apologize if I'm overstepping my bounds here, in the
>   discussion; I just feel odd about the slippage into a discourse
>   which seemed to me to efface what happened 5/31/1889 in
>   Johnstown, what's happening there now as well.
>
>   Alan
>
>   On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Johannes Birringer wrote:
>
>
> Dear Ana
>
> not wanting to engage in ideological fracturings
> here, to be honest; you must be refering to the
> passage that my friend from Houston had sent me in
> the reference to the Olympic Games of 1972, he
> spotted a sinister irony in the choice of the site;
> you will recall that the militant group 'Black
> September