Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
Cheers Alana, Thanks for the insights! In reference to the innumerable in visually impressive environments.. I think its very interesting perhaps in context of edges and totalities, the attempt to focus on the refusal to be described numeriacally right within a most visually numerial of environments. In mu mind there is a link there with the religiously oriented violence. Perhaps other violence, however, in terms of religion, there is a possible social association between an attempt to build a logical, a Numerable social environment - that is unable to sustain, or even live with, the illogical and innumerable within people. Hence, perhaps there can be an attraction to the readymade false-logic systems that stuff like religions can offer.. Am mentioning as it might link with the Isis notion.. Though perhaps am placing my own personal interest in share-=able, exchange-able, arguable sensations.. Mind - To compute - hence count - is etymologically linked with paving. With levelling, to prune. In that sense, like when one cuts grass, paving a way, pruning an idea, or perhaps ironing clothes even ;) - it can be argued they do some un-accounted and unaccountable - computing..(??) BTW re latour. there are a few videos where he talks about composionalism. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-02aCvQ-HFs Hey - have a lovely day! :) aharonone xx On Wed, August 26, 2015 2:35 am, Alan Sondheim wrote: Thank you again, and replies inserted below, some editing - On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, none wrote: Clutters. Etymologically, there is a link to heaps. By dictionary meanings, there is a collection link. Agree it can be taken as an archive/data-base where it is not. However, staying with heaps, and heap making - eg throw a bunch of stuff to form a heap - might point towards a question of How clutters, or a given clutter might operate? What's interesting about heaps to me, is that they're actually fairly structured, top-down, by gravity; there have been numerous studies for example of sandpiles, what causes slides on the slopes, the maximum permissible slopes, and so forth; this comes up also in the recent comet landing and geography. Clutter isn't top-down, hierarchical; it's everywhere, and often references data-basing, that the elements have histories, even names, and other tags - think of a room with a lot of clutter. On the other hand, the cluttered environments I create in second life or other virtual worlds, _have no resolutions,_ they're alien, alienware, alienworn - and for me this relates, say, to the cosmos, to the innumerable, to the uncounted, unaccountable, unaccounted-for. From digital environments perspective, a clutter can be said to be spaghetti code, no? Or perhaps something that might seem like clutter, like when one goes into a jungle for the 1st time, or hears an utterly unknown language - everything seems to jumble, to be a clutter - yet for a trained eye or mind, there are clear and uncluttered patterns.. In terms of online life, with clusters and networks, do we have online Heaps/Clutters? I think we sense cluttering, for example, Facebook seems increasingly cluttered, which means, I think, obstructed, as if _obstructed from without_ - for one's own clutter is often decipherable by the self, but Fb is clearly corporate, with menus within menus, etc. The trails - trials - are there, but at first glance unfathomable, and one's always uneasy that one is missing something, that the 'usual path' will lead elsewhere now, or come to a blank end... B Latour talks about Compositionism, as a sort of network actors' arrangement and rearrangements. I wonder whether in fact these compositions - and indeed being oriented around them - is not actually resting upon time based clutters that came together sequentially rather than causally, and are then being subjected to a process of entraining by a pattern seeking/making human mind? (a mind that can make patterns in a jungle..?) They came together like gravitational pull on rubble in space :-) - in other words, striations, compositions, nothing time-based except coagulations, certainly not sequentially or causally. I think of those 26 independent fundamental constants, something like that... A recent(ish) review of a Wendy Chun text to do with code, language and physicality - e.g. that of machines. http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/07/wendy-chun-on-software-and-the-mac hine/ I'll look at this and thanks; I know her and have always admired her thinking - However there are also links there to the machinery of capitalism, which might sort of be connected with the questions to do with socio economic and environmental questions? I think for me the world's driven more, at this point, by climate change, weaponry, and overpopulation, no matter what the ideology. We behave like the species we are, every so often a glimmer of something else, like the current agreement of N and S Korea to actually
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, none wrote: Cheers Alana, Thanks for the insights! In reference to the innumerable in visually impressive environments.. I think its very interesting perhaps in context of edges and totalities, the attempt to focus on the refusal to be described numeriacally right within a most visually numerial of environments. the description would most likely be identical with the image as mathesis. this does bring up something interesting, the inability (at least in the past) to make a 'snapshot' of every process operating in a computer at a particular time; I was part of a systems group decades ago at Brown U., and they discussed this at length - the greater the complexity of calculation, the less one could comprehend what was occurring at any particular instant. I imagine this will be denser and truer with quantum computing; one runs into fundamental law - In mu mind there is a link there with the religiously oriented violence. Perhaps other violence, however, in terms of religion, there is a possible social association between an attempt to build a logical, a Numerable social environment - that is unable to sustain, or even live with, the illogical and innumerable within people. Hence, perhaps there can be an attraction to the readymade false-logic systems that stuff like religions can offer.. Am mentioning as it might link with the Isis notion.. yes, there's an absolutism at work, I think, in any monotheism, a classical notion of negation (I talk about that in the essay). the illogical etc. is simply collapsed into one of two categories, 0|1. the simplicity might seem absurd, but it's the very simplicity of this that one finds attractive - no more entanglement, 'foggy' solutions, situation ethics. - Though perhaps am placing my own personal interest in share-=able, exchange-able, arguable sensations.. Mind - To compute - hence count - is etymologically linked with paving. With levelling, to prune. In that sense, like when one cuts grass, paving a way, pruning an idea, or perhaps ironing clothes even ;) - it can be argued they do some un-accounted and unaccountable - computing..(??) paving or flattening seems in a way the opposite, covering over, creating a carapace; perhaps paving in fact is what is totally accounatable... BTW re latour. there are a few videos where he talks about composionalism. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-02aCvQ-HFs Will look - haven't had the time to do so yet, and thank you! - Alan, best cheers Hey - have a lovely day! :) aharonone xx On Wed, August 26, 2015 2:35 am, Alan Sondheim wrote: Thank you again, and replies inserted below, some editing - On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, none wrote: Clutters. Etymologically, there is a link to heaps. By dictionary meanings, there is a collection link. Agree it can be taken as an archive/data-base where it is not. However, staying with heaps, and heap making - eg throw a bunch of stuff to form a heap - might point towards a question of How clutters, or a given clutter might operate? What's interesting about heaps to me, is that they're actually fairly structured, top-down, by gravity; there have been numerous studies for example of sandpiles, what causes slides on the slopes, the maximum permissible slopes, and so forth; this comes up also in the recent comet landing and geography. Clutter isn't top-down, hierarchical; it's everywhere, and often references data-basing, that the elements have histories, even names, and other tags - think of a room with a lot of clutter. On the other hand, the cluttered environments I create in second life or other virtual worlds, _have no resolutions,_ they're alien, alienware, alienworn - and for me this relates, say, to the cosmos, to the innumerable, to the uncounted, unaccountable, unaccounted-for. From digital environments perspective, a clutter can be said to be spaghetti code, no? Or perhaps something that might seem like clutter, like when one goes into a jungle for the 1st time, or hears an utterly unknown language - everything seems to jumble, to be a clutter - yet for a trained eye or mind, there are clear and uncluttered patterns.. In terms of online life, with clusters and networks, do we have online Heaps/Clutters? I think we sense cluttering, for example, Facebook seems increasingly cluttered, which means, I think, obstructed, as if _obstructed from without_ - for one's own clutter is often decipherable by the self, but Fb is clearly corporate, with menus within menus, etc. The trails - trials - are there, but at first glance unfathomable, and one's always uneasy that one is missing something, that the 'usual path' will lead elsewhere now, or come to a blank end... B Latour talks about Compositionism, as a sort of network actors' arrangement and rearrangements. I wonder whether in fact these compositions - and indeed being oriented around them - is not actually resting upon time based clutters that came together sequentially
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
Cheers for sharing the reflections, Alan. Will limit for a few points of possible more general interest: Clutters. Etymologically, there is a link to heaps. By dictionary meanings, there is a collection link. Agree it can be taken as an archive/data-base where it is not. However, staying with heaps, and heap making - eg throw a bunch of stuff to form a heap - might point towards a question of How clutters, or a given clutter might operate? From digital environments perspective, a clutter can be said to be spaghetti code, no? Or perhaps something that might seem like clutter, like when one goes into a jungle for the 1st time, or hears an utterly unknown language - everything seems to jumble, to be a clutter - yet for a trained eye or mind, there are clear and uncluttered patterns.. In terms of online life, with clusters and networks, do we have online Heaps/Clutters? B Latour talks about Compositionism, as a sort of network actors' arrangement and rearrangements. I wonder whether in fact these compositions - and indeed being oriented around them - is not actually resting upon time based clutters that came together sequentially rather than causally, and are then being subjected to a process of entraining by a pattern seeking/making human mind? (a mind that can make patterns in a jungle..?) A recent(ish) review of a Wendy Chun text to do with code, language and physicality - e.g. that of machines. http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/07/wendy-chun-on-software-and-the-machine/ However there are also links there to the machinery of capitalism, which might sort of be connected with the questions to do with socio economic and environmental questions? Cheers and all the bests! aharone xx Perhaps interesting in terms of offering a On Tue, August 25, 2015 1:34 am, Alan Sondheim wrote: Thanks!, Comments below - On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote: A few pre noting notes: Hopefully something might be relevant here. Not entirely comprehending the context apart from - giving a talk.(??) Giving a talk, which will skitter across the notes; I've never been able to read a talk, or even write one. However, I did do that silly human thing of checking for a pattern, and staying with it. Perhaps it could be more riveting to read from and out such patterns..? I'd do in a personal text, not someone else's.. Which kind of takes us right into the pattern/thread that seems to Be..(?) There are patterns, cross references; I think a major trope for me is entanglement, maybe Buddhist depending-arising. The focus seems to be of examples to do with mashing edges and totalities of stuff. And problematizing edges and totalities, as well as structures within and without boundaries and totalities. In a sense, without having the totality, the edges might be well hidden, and by focusing on such endings of things - they seem to require a perception oriented in absolutes. Which is where the idea of blankness comes in, endings are always problematized, at this point even in cosmology. (An absolutive oriented programming..? ;) ) It seems to have a territorial oriented perception - of spaces, endings, and edges. These corners are being put together, brought together as a sort of collage(??). I think am trying to say that each action of bringing these edges together - perhaps a Surge in the Notes' own vocabulary - has a unique collection of these ends. The Surge references the overcoming of all (scientific, biological, etc.) knowledge, as such grows exponentially. The corners are always a melange, abject, as far as culture's concerned. I wouldn't think of collection (which implies data-bases, etc., and some degree of exactitude), so much as collectivities. Hence, it seems that each note can be an example - or Is an example(??) - of an edges surge. Here are a few examples: When speaking of life and death (in virtual worlds), it seems to take these as binary objects, oppose to one another - hence by putting them together, the edges become apparent. (this perception is based on language of death and life, rather than a softer focus such as a process of living, etc..) Life and death in vr is always a question of representation, as well as the death of software (or users) itself - for example, the 'body bags' in many of the MOOs which were abandoned as their subcribers went elsewhere. It _is_ always a question of process, but in the real world, death is a finality, and how does one represent this? Think about it? How can death and pain, in this regard, be represented, without turning to cartoon images, etc.? Dance/movement as a practice that brings together the virtual and the physical realities. Or the sense of them. Again there is a sense of edges coming together to form a new element/thing. When one of my avatars moves in, say, Second Life, it's movement is almost always a movement translated from physical dance, physical dancers, using software and topological
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Bj?rn Magnhild?en wrote: a heap is one of the most stable structures. not really, they form interesting studies I think in catastrophe theory! the first altered mocap piece I ever did was at WVU; it was a short video called 'heap' and involved tossing the sensor cables into a pile on the floor and recording the results of the figure distortion - anyway, reading the jungle of ideas in the text and discussion, though heavy and depressing in parts, but considering the state of the world at large, and as a state, it's likely to the point, but disquieting to the bone. yes, the world seems disquieting, a good word to describe things... thanks!, Alan On 8/25/15, none a...@aharonic.net wrote: Cheers for sharing the reflections, Alan. Will limit for a few points of possible more general interest: Clutters. Etymologically, there is a link to heaps. By dictionary meanings, there is a collection link. Agree it can be taken as an archive/data-base where it is not. However, staying with heaps, and heap making - eg throw a bunch of stuff to form a heap - might point towards a question of How clutters, or a given clutter might operate? From digital environments perspective, a clutter can be said to be spaghetti code, no? Or perhaps something that might seem like clutter, like when one goes into a jungle for the 1st time, or hears an utterly unknown language - everything seems to jumble, to be a clutter - yet for a trained eye or mind, there are clear and uncluttered patterns.. In terms of online life, with clusters and networks, do we have online Heaps/Clutters? B Latour talks about Compositionism, as a sort of network actors' arrangement and rearrangements. I wonder whether in fact these compositions - and indeed being oriented around them - is not actually resting upon time based clutters that came together sequentially rather than causally, and are then being subjected to a process of entraining by a pattern seeking/making human mind? (a mind that can make patterns in a jungle..?) A recent(ish) review of a Wendy Chun text to do with code, language and physicality - e.g. that of machines. http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/07/wendy-chun-on-software-and-the-machine/ However there are also links there to the machinery of capitalism, which might sort of be connected with the questions to do with socio economic and environmental questions? Cheers and all the bests! aharone xx Perhaps interesting in terms of offering a On Tue, August 25, 2015 1:34 am, Alan Sondheim wrote: Thanks!, Comments below - On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote: A few pre noting notes: Hopefully something might be relevant here. Not entirely comprehending the context apart from - giving a talk.(??) Giving a talk, which will skitter across the notes; I've never been able to read a talk, or even write one. However, I did do that silly human thing of checking for a pattern, and staying with it. Perhaps it could be more riveting to read from and out such patterns..? I'd do in a personal text, not someone else's.. Which kind of takes us right into the pattern/thread that seems to Be..(?) There are patterns, cross references; I think a major trope for me is entanglement, maybe Buddhist depending-arising. The focus seems to be of examples to do with mashing edges and totalities of stuff. And problematizing edges and totalities, as well as structures within and without boundaries and totalities. In a sense, without having the totality, the edges might be well hidden, and by focusing on such endings of things - they seem to require a perception oriented in absolutes. Which is where the idea of blankness comes in, endings are always problematized, at this point even in cosmology. (An absolutive oriented programming..? ;) ) It seems to have a territorial oriented perception - of spaces, endings, and edges. These corners are being put together, brought together as a sort of collage(??). I think am trying to say that each action of bringing these edges together - perhaps a Surge in the Notes' own vocabulary - has a unique collection of these ends. The Surge references the overcoming of all (scientific, biological, etc.) knowledge, as such grows exponentially. The corners are always a melange, abject, as far as culture's concerned. I wouldn't think of collection (which implies data-bases, etc., and some degree of exactitude), so much as collectivities. Hence, it seems that each note can be an example - or Is an example(??) - of an edges surge. Here are a few examples: When speaking of life and death (in virtual worlds), it seems to take these as binary objects, oppose to one another - hence by putting them together, the edges become apparent. (this perception is based on language of death and life, rather than a softer focus such as a process of living, etc..) Life and death in vr is always a question of representation, as well as the death of software (or users) itself - for
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
a heap is one of the most stable structures. anyway, reading the jungle of ideas in the text and discussion, though heavy and depressing in parts, but considering the state of the world at large, and as a state, it's likely to the point, but disquieting to the bone. On 8/25/15, none a...@aharonic.net wrote: Cheers for sharing the reflections, Alan. Will limit for a few points of possible more general interest: Clutters. Etymologically, there is a link to heaps. By dictionary meanings, there is a collection link. Agree it can be taken as an archive/data-base where it is not. However, staying with heaps, and heap making - eg throw a bunch of stuff to form a heap - might point towards a question of How clutters, or a given clutter might operate? From digital environments perspective, a clutter can be said to be spaghetti code, no? Or perhaps something that might seem like clutter, like when one goes into a jungle for the 1st time, or hears an utterly unknown language - everything seems to jumble, to be a clutter - yet for a trained eye or mind, there are clear and uncluttered patterns.. In terms of online life, with clusters and networks, do we have online Heaps/Clutters? B Latour talks about Compositionism, as a sort of network actors' arrangement and rearrangements. I wonder whether in fact these compositions - and indeed being oriented around them - is not actually resting upon time based clutters that came together sequentially rather than causally, and are then being subjected to a process of entraining by a pattern seeking/making human mind? (a mind that can make patterns in a jungle..?) A recent(ish) review of a Wendy Chun text to do with code, language and physicality - e.g. that of machines. http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/07/wendy-chun-on-software-and-the-machine/ However there are also links there to the machinery of capitalism, which might sort of be connected with the questions to do with socio economic and environmental questions? Cheers and all the bests! aharone xx Perhaps interesting in terms of offering a On Tue, August 25, 2015 1:34 am, Alan Sondheim wrote: Thanks!, Comments below - On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote: A few pre noting notes: Hopefully something might be relevant here. Not entirely comprehending the context apart from - giving a talk.(??) Giving a talk, which will skitter across the notes; I've never been able to read a talk, or even write one. However, I did do that silly human thing of checking for a pattern, and staying with it. Perhaps it could be more riveting to read from and out such patterns..? I'd do in a personal text, not someone else's.. Which kind of takes us right into the pattern/thread that seems to Be..(?) There are patterns, cross references; I think a major trope for me is entanglement, maybe Buddhist depending-arising. The focus seems to be of examples to do with mashing edges and totalities of stuff. And problematizing edges and totalities, as well as structures within and without boundaries and totalities. In a sense, without having the totality, the edges might be well hidden, and by focusing on such endings of things - they seem to require a perception oriented in absolutes. Which is where the idea of blankness comes in, endings are always problematized, at this point even in cosmology. (An absolutive oriented programming..? ;) ) It seems to have a territorial oriented perception - of spaces, endings, and edges. These corners are being put together, brought together as a sort of collage(??). I think am trying to say that each action of bringing these edges together - perhaps a Surge in the Notes' own vocabulary - has a unique collection of these ends. The Surge references the overcoming of all (scientific, biological, etc.) knowledge, as such grows exponentially. The corners are always a melange, abject, as far as culture's concerned. I wouldn't think of collection (which implies data-bases, etc., and some degree of exactitude), so much as collectivities. Hence, it seems that each note can be an example - or Is an example(??) - of an edges surge. Here are a few examples: When speaking of life and death (in virtual worlds), it seems to take these as binary objects, oppose to one another - hence by putting them together, the edges become apparent. (this perception is based on language of death and life, rather than a softer focus such as a process of living, etc..) Life and death in vr is always a question of representation, as well as the death of software (or users) itself - for example, the 'body bags' in many of the MOOs which were abandoned as their subcribers went elsewhere. It _is_ always a question of process, but in the real world, death is a finality, and how does one represent this? Think about it? How can death and pain, in this regard, be represented, without turning to cartoon images, etc.? Dance/movement as a practice
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
Thank you again, and replies inserted below, some editing - On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, none wrote: Clutters. Etymologically, there is a link to heaps. By dictionary meanings, there is a collection link. Agree it can be taken as an archive/data-base where it is not. However, staying with heaps, and heap making - eg throw a bunch of stuff to form a heap - might point towards a question of How clutters, or a given clutter might operate? What's interesting about heaps to me, is that they're actually fairly structured, top-down, by gravity; there have been numerous studies for example of sandpiles, what causes slides on the slopes, the maximum permissible slopes, and so forth; this comes up also in the recent comet landing and geography. Clutter isn't top-down, hierarchical; it's everywhere, and often references data-basing, that the elements have histories, even names, and other tags - think of a room with a lot of clutter. On the other hand, the cluttered environments I create in second life or other virtual worlds, _have no resolutions,_ they're alien, alienware, alienworn - and for me this relates, say, to the cosmos, to the innumerable, to the uncounted, unaccountable, unaccounted-for. From digital environments perspective, a clutter can be said to be spaghetti code, no? Or perhaps something that might seem like clutter, like when one goes into a jungle for the 1st time, or hears an utterly unknown language - everything seems to jumble, to be a clutter - yet for a trained eye or mind, there are clear and uncluttered patterns.. In terms of online life, with clusters and networks, do we have online Heaps/Clutters? I think we sense cluttering, for example, Facebook seems increasingly cluttered, which means, I think, obstructed, as if _obstructed from without_ - for one's own clutter is often decipherable by the self, but Fb is clearly corporate, with menus within menus, etc. The trails - trials - are there, but at first glance unfathomable, and one's always uneasy that one is missing something, that the 'usual path' will lead elsewhere now, or come to a blank end... B Latour talks about Compositionism, as a sort of network actors' arrangement and rearrangements. I wonder whether in fact these compositions - and indeed being oriented around them - is not actually resting upon time based clutters that came together sequentially rather than causally, and are then being subjected to a process of entraining by a pattern seeking/making human mind? (a mind that can make patterns in a jungle..?) They came together like gravitational pull on rubble in space :-) - in other words, striations, compositions, nothing time-based except coagulations, certainly not sequentially or causally. I think of those 26 independent fundamental constants, something like that... A recent(ish) review of a Wendy Chun text to do with code, language and physicality - e.g. that of machines. http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/07/wendy-chun-on-software-and-the-machine/ I'll look at this and thanks; I know her and have always admired her thinking - However there are also links there to the machinery of capitalism, which might sort of be connected with the questions to do with socio economic and environmental questions? I think for me the world's driven more, at this point, by climate change, weaponry, and overpopulation, no matter what the ideology. We behave like the species we are, every so often a glimmer of something else, like the current agreement of N and S Korea to actually step down from whatever brinks there are... Thank so much; I haven't read the Latour or the Chun yet! - Alan, best and cheers! Cheers and all the bests! aharone xx Perhaps interesting in terms of offering a On Tue, August 25, 2015 1:34 am, Alan Sondheim wrote: Thanks!, Comments below - On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote: A few pre noting notes: Hopefully something might be relevant here. Not entirely comprehending the context apart from - giving a talk.(??) Giving a talk, which will skitter across the notes; I've never been able to read a talk, or even write one. However, I did do that silly human thing of checking for a pattern, and staying with it. Perhaps it could be more riveting to read from and out such patterns..? I'd do in a personal text, not someone else's.. Which kind of takes us right into the pattern/thread that seems to Be..(?) There are patterns, cross references; I think a major trope for me is entanglement, maybe Buddhist depending-arising. The focus seems to be of examples to do with mashing edges and totalities of stuff. And problematizing edges and totalities, as well as structures within and without boundaries and totalities. In a sense, without having the totality, the edges might be well hidden, and by focusing on such endings of things - they seem to require a perception oriented in absolutes. Which is where the idea of blankness comes in, endings are always
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
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Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
Hiyas, Things todo while waiting for the sun to be Nearly down. A few pre noting notes: Hopefully something might be relevant here. Not entirely comprehending the context apart from - giving a talk.(??) Attempting to read the text from possibly how it seems to be written rather than how I'd like to write if it was me.. However, I did do that silly human thing of checking for a pattern, and staying with it. Perhaps it could be more riveting to read from and out such patterns..? I'd do in a personal text, not someone else's.. Which kind of takes us right into the pattern/thread that seems to Be..(?) The focus seems to be of examples to do with mashing edges and totalities of stuff. In a sense, without having the totality, the edges might be well hidden, and by focusing on such endings of things - they seem to require a perception oriented in absolutes. (An absolutive oriented programming..? ;) ) It seems to have a territorial oriented perception - of spaces, endings, and edges. These corners are being put together, brought together as a sort of collage(??). I think am trying to say that each action of bringing these edges together - perhaps a Surge in the Notes' own vocabulary - has a unique collection of these ends. Hence, it seems that each note can be an example - or Is an example(??) - of an edges surge. Here are a few examples: When speaking of life and death (in virtual worlds), it seems to take these as binary objects, oppose to one another - hence by putting them together, the edges become apparent. (this perception is based on language of death and life, rather than a softer focus such as a process of living, etc..) Dance/movement as a practice that brings together the virtual and the physical realities. Or the sense of them. Again there is a sense of edges coming together to form a new element/thing. Glitches - visuals(?? I assume here that we talk of visual ones, could be all sorts though..) that are made when an edge of code meets an edge of electronic/electric element/s. Language and its entangled limits. (i am not sure how this terminology operates. however, in my mind, this seems to be of a linked nature with the sense of digital/virtual - often used with a language for its program - and its intrinsically linked edge - ie. the materiality of a device/network line, body, etc..) The surge ofcourse is an absolute, and ISIS offers a new absolutativeness. In a sense, ISIS is a sort of an embodied surge, bringing together the ends of terroristic perception meshed with an abosolutist historical perception, and statist/nationalistic edges, coming from breaks and breaking the Sykes/Picot borders and colonial assumptions - all occurring at the edges of deserts which meet fertile lands. (Perhaps ISIS should be declared a Sondheim performance gone a bit glitchy..?) I could go on with examples, including the sense of elements going Wrong - ie breaking and by default new corners come together to form a malfunction sense? (again, wrongness might require a sense of totality..) Clutter as sense of things coming together, focusing on the perceptions that rise via the sort of new body that comes out..? In that sense, - new body that comes out - I thought that perhaps the terror algorithm was/is a bit illustrative..? Almost decorative as such? Just wonder how it might be if it was a terror oriented programming language.. Or even much more interesting, I think, a terror calculus - hence allowing new terror formations to be..? Also, talk of computer kind of languages.. Perl and language, and human language.. Perhaps there could be a perl for camels? A perl that perhaps is a camel? Or camel oriented? Might be a perl that's hardly thirsty? Or a perl that is for deserts? Hey.. Hope this somehow assists in something - or some process - been a pleasure to delve into! :) Many THANKS for sharing, Alan! Cheers and ciaos! ahanonexx(??) On Mon, August 24, 2015 9:30 am, none wrote: Hiya, WOW! Will give more time, hopefully tonight for reading and maybe even gaining some grasp - interpretative or otherwise. Know the feel, the sense of Ouch! Not sure how to talk about that that... Sometimes, as a way to deal with it, I begin to talk about linked/related topics/ideas with unsuspecting folk in waiting operations/sequences. i.e. Supermarket queues, bus stops, etc.. Kind of forcing another and instant way to consider a question in a way that has to, at least, be understood as shared - if not communicated. Cheers! aharon xx On Sun, August 23, 2015 7:46 pm, Alan Sondheim wrote: For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities September 12, at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown in Johnstown, Pennsylvania http://www.alansondheim.org/macgridsection.png http://www.alansondheim.org/keyword.rtf (as rtf) http://www.alansondheim.org/keyword.txt (as text) http://www.alansondheim.org/haml01.jpg There will be a _lot_ of accompanying videos and stills.
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
Hiya, WOW! Will give more time, hopefully tonight for reading and maybe even gaining some grasp - interpretative or otherwise. Know the feel, the sense of Ouch! Not sure how to talk about that that... Sometimes, as a way to deal with it, I begin to talk about linked/related topics/ideas with unsuspecting folk in waiting operations/sequences. i.e. Supermarket queues, bus stops, etc.. Kind of forcing another and instant way to consider a question in a way that has to, at least, be understood as shared - if not communicated. Cheers! aharon xx On Sun, August 23, 2015 7:46 pm, Alan Sondheim wrote: For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities September 12, at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown in Johnstown, Pennsylvania http://www.alansondheim.org/macgridsection.png http://www.alansondheim.org/keyword.rtf (as rtf) http://www.alansondheim.org/keyword.txt (as text) http://www.alansondheim.org/haml01.jpg There will be a _lot_ of accompanying videos and stills. Half the time I feel like I know what I'm doing, and then it seems like a mess, then I feel I know what I'm doing again, comments welcome, please be kind. :-( Thanks, Alan ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
On Mon, August 24, 2015 9:56 pm, none wrote: Hi Alan, Cheers and cool to hear the reflection kind of link to the notes. Thanks! Sure, please, if something is appropriate - its all Yours! Interesting to hear/read how the texts evolve. Have fun! aharonexx On Mon, August 24, 2015 7:54 pm, Alan Sondheim wrote: Hi and thank you so much, out at the moment but will read carefully later. I want to ask if I could quote you at the talk - what you write, from what I did read, gets to the heart of things! best, and thanks again, Alan == email archive http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 718-813-3285 music: http://www.espdisk.com/alansondheim/ current text http://www.alansondheim.org/ti.txt == ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
Hi John, Sky watching? An idea - Cheers! Yes.. Could be a sort of sky surfaces surfing perhaps.. Might be apt for brazil, or in other equatorial(ish) areas..? Hummm.. If I use it, will be sure to let you know. :) Thanks! ahanone xx On Mon, August 24, 2015 7:17 pm, John Hopkins wrote: Things todo while waiting for the sun to be Nearly down. What about just watching the sky for awhile? jh sent on the way up to the Grand Canyon for a few days respite from civilization... -- ++ Dr. John Hopkins, BSc, MFA, PhD grounded on a granite batholith twitter: @neoscenes http://tech-no-mad.net/blog/ ++ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
Thanks!, Comments below - On Mon, 24 Aug 2015, none wrote: A few pre noting notes: Hopefully something might be relevant here. Not entirely comprehending the context apart from - giving a talk.(??) Giving a talk, which will skitter across the notes; I've never been able to read a talk, or even write one. However, I did do that silly human thing of checking for a pattern, and staying with it. Perhaps it could be more riveting to read from and out such patterns..? I'd do in a personal text, not someone else's.. Which kind of takes us right into the pattern/thread that seems to Be..(?) There are patterns, cross references; I think a major trope for me is entanglement, maybe Buddhist depending-arising. The focus seems to be of examples to do with mashing edges and totalities of stuff. And problematizing edges and totalities, as well as structures within and without boundaries and totalities. In a sense, without having the totality, the edges might be well hidden, and by focusing on such endings of things - they seem to require a perception oriented in absolutes. Which is where the idea of blankness comes in, endings are always problematized, at this point even in cosmology. (An absolutive oriented programming..? ;) ) It seems to have a territorial oriented perception - of spaces, endings, and edges. These corners are being put together, brought together as a sort of collage(??). I think am trying to say that each action of bringing these edges together - perhaps a Surge in the Notes' own vocabulary - has a unique collection of these ends. The Surge references the overcoming of all (scientific, biological, etc.) knowledge, as such grows exponentially. The corners are always a melange, abject, as far as culture's concerned. I wouldn't think of collection (which implies data-bases, etc., and some degree of exactitude), so much as collectivities. Hence, it seems that each note can be an example - or Is an example(??) - of an edges surge. Here are a few examples: When speaking of life and death (in virtual worlds), it seems to take these as binary objects, oppose to one another - hence by putting them together, the edges become apparent. (this perception is based on language of death and life, rather than a softer focus such as a process of living, etc..) Life and death in vr is always a question of representation, as well as the death of software (or users) itself - for example, the 'body bags' in many of the MOOs which were abandoned as their subcribers went elsewhere. It _is_ always a question of process, but in the real world, death is a finality, and how does one represent this? Think about it? How can death and pain, in this regard, be represented, without turning to cartoon images, etc.? Dance/movement as a practice that brings together the virtual and the physical realities. Or the sense of them. Again there is a sense of edges coming together to form a new element/thing. When one of my avatars moves in, say, Second Life, it's movement is almost always a movement translated from physical dance, physical dancers, using software and topological remappings in mocap. But I'm always aware of the physicality involved, even in virtual worlds - there's a kind of trail of flesh... Glitches - visuals(?? I assume here that we talk of visual ones, could be all sorts though..) that are made when an edge of code meets an edge of electronic/electric element/s. Visual, but also crashes, logging-out of users, etc. Language and its entangled limits. (i am not sure how this terminology operates. however, in my mind, this seems to be of a linked nature with the sense of digital/virtual - often used with a language for its program - and its intrinsically linked edge - ie. the materiality of a device/network line, body, etc..) Yes, here - The surge ofcourse is an absolute, and ISIS offers a new absolutativeness. In a sense, ISIS is a sort of an embodied surge, bringing together the ends of terroristic perception meshed with an abosolutist historical perception, and statist/nationalistic edges, coming from breaks and breaking the Sykes/Picot borders and colonial assumptions - all occurring at the edges of deserts which meet fertile lands. The surge is two-fold, the absolute, but also the growth of knowledge - and the tension or torsion between the two regions - (Perhaps ISIS should be declared a Sondheim performance gone a bit glitchy..?) Would NEVER want to be associated that way! :-) I could go on with examples, including the sense of elements going Wrong - ie breaking and by default new corners come together to form a malfunction sense? (again, wrongness might require a sense of totality..) Clutter as sense of things coming together, focusing on the perceptions that rise via the sort of new body that comes out..? Clutter also as something which can't be mapped, which escapes mapping... In that sense, - new body that comes out - I thought that
[NetBehaviour] For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities
For a talk I'm giving @ Pitt-Johnstown Day of Digital Humanities September 12, at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown in Johnstown, Pennsylvania http://www.alansondheim.org/macgridsection.png http://www.alansondheim.org/keyword.rtf (as rtf) http://www.alansondheim.org/keyword.txt (as text) http://www.alansondheim.org/haml01.jpg There will be a _lot_ of accompanying videos and stills. Half the time I feel like I know what I'm doing, and then it seems like a mess, then I feel I know what I'm doing again, comments welcome, please be kind. :-( Thanks, Alan ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
