Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-27 Thread Ambika Prasad Tripathy (ambtripa)
(ambtripa) -Original Message- From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 6:30 PM To: Andy Bierman; Juergen Schoenwaelder; t. petch; Martin Bjorklund; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node On 8/27/2015 8:23 AM, Andy

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-27 Thread Alexander Clemm (alex)
; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node Alexander Clemm (alex) a...@cisco.com wrote: - As Martin mentioned, clearly by allowing to mount you are decoupling schema information and instance population. Regarding the issue of validation, this can be addressed by several ways. I think

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-27 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Alexander Clemm (alex) a...@cisco.com wrote: - As Martin mentioned, clearly by allowing to mount you are decoupling schema information and instance population. Regarding the issue of validation, this can be addressed by several ways. I think that the mount point effectively works as a

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-27 Thread Lou Berger
On 08/27/2015 02:42 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: The flat sea of YANG modules brings a different set of issues and I am unsure what they are; This is main problem I have. What the heck is the problem we are trying to fix? The first, but not only problem, is today's ~200 top level

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-26 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:41 AM, t.petch ie...@btconnect.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de To: t. petch ie...@btconnect.com Cc: rwil...@cisco.com; Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com; netmod@ietf.org Sent: Sunday, August

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-25 Thread Kent Watsen
I like the idea of relocatable modules. It is almost to say everything defined by the IETF should be a grouping, allowing others to assemble the pieces as they see fit. I do not think it makes sense for IETF to define an uber structure, especially using a language mandating forever backwards

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-25 Thread Eric Voit (evoit)
From: Andy Bierman, Friday, August 21, 2015 10:28 AM snip Currently we have a proprietary way of relocating YANG modules, and ODL has its mount, and I think Andy has some other mechanism.  Maybe the time has come to standardize how mount works, and maybe then also standardize the list of

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-21 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 20/08/2015 09:15, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: On 18/08/2015 18:22, Andy Bierman

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-21 Thread Andy Bierman
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 6:01 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 20/08/2015 09:15, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote:

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-21 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 21 Aug 2015, at 15:01, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: Hi Martin, On 20/08/2015 09:15, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Robert

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-21 Thread Robert Wilton
Hi Martin, On 20/08/2015 09:15, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: On 18/08/2015 18:22, Andy Bierman wrote: This is how languages like SMIv2 and YANG

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-20 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com writes: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: On 18/08/2015 18:22, Andy Bierman wrote: This is how languages like SMIv2 and YANG work. A conceptual object is given a permanent

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-20 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: On 18/08/2015 18:22, Andy Bierman wrote: This is how languages like SMIv2 and YANG work. A conceptual object is given a

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-19 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: On 18/08/2015 18:22, Andy Bierman wrote: This is how languages like SMIv2 and YANG work. A conceptual object is given a permanent home within the tree of object identifiers. Moving data is very expensive, since any clients working with the old

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-19 Thread Robert Wilton
To: Jonathan Hansford jonat...@hansfords.net mailto:jonat...@hansfords.net Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.org mailto:netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node As someone sharing responsibilities for guiding a number

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-18 Thread Robert Wilton
of Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn) eina...@cisco.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2015 at 5:29 AM To: Jonathan Hansford jonat...@hansfords.net Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node As someone sharing responsibilities for guiding a number of development teams both

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-18 Thread Andy Bierman
of Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn) eina...@cisco.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2015 at 5:29 AM To: Jonathan Hansford jonat...@hansfords.net Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node As someone sharing responsibilities for guiding a number of development teams

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-18 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - From: Andy Bierman Sent: Aug 18, 2015 10:22 AM To: Robert Wilton Cc: NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Robert Wilton rwil...@cisco.com wrote: ... I think that having fixed paths may end up being too restrictive. This is how

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-11 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node As someone sharing responsibilities for guiding a number of development teams both defining new models and implementing to some already defined models in this area, I can only agree with this addition to what I said earlier. Cheers

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-11 Thread t . petch
the individual modules, it is how to put them together to best manage a device (let alone a system). Jonathan - Original Message - From: Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn) To:Andy Bierman Cc:NETMOD Working Group Sent:Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:10:15 + Subject:Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node Andy, I agree

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
- From: Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn) eina...@cisco.com To: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.org Sent: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:10:15 + Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node Andy, I agree that there is a need for organization of models, but I

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
...@hansfords.net, NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.orgmailto:netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.commailto:a...@cisco.com wrote: I think there is agreement that there is a problem. The YANG Routing Design Team

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
To: Jonathan Hansford jonat...@hansfords.netmailto:jonat...@hansfords.net Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.orgmailto:netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node As someone sharing responsibilities for guiding a number of development teams both defining new models and implementing to some

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
netmod-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn) eina...@cisco.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2015 at 5:29 AM To: Jonathan Hansford jonat...@hansfords.net Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node As someone sharing responsibilities

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Jonathan Hansford
+ Subject:Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node Andy, I agree that there is a need for organization of models, but I don’t have a firm position on draft-openconfig-netmod-model-structure/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model or draft-bierman-netmod-yang-package. But we absolutely need *something* to help

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn)
...@cisco.commailto:eina...@cisco.com To: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.commailto:a...@yumaworks.com Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.orgmailto:netmod@ietf.org Sent: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:10:15 + Subject: Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node Andy, I agree that there is a need for organization of models

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-03 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, t.petch ie...@btconnect.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com To: t.petch ie...@btconnect.com Cc: NETMOD Working Group netmod@ietf.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:10 PM On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:48 AM, t.petch