Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-07 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de writes: On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:50:04PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: If there is no ephemeral data, then config data is what counts. However, if some config parameters may be overriden by ephemeral values, then a separate

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-06 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com writes: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 03 Aug 2015, at 18:01, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 03 Aug 2015, at 16:41, Andy

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-06 Thread Andy Bierman
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 06 Aug 2015, at 13:03, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com writes: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:58 AM,

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-06 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 06 Aug 2015, at 17:31, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 06 Aug 2015, at 13:03, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: Andy

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-03 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 03 Aug 2015, at 16:41, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:06:41AM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder je 3.8.2015 ob 10:18 napisal: Any

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-03 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:06:41AM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder je 3.8.2015 ob 10:18 napisal: Any description statement in principle can do this. We trust that sane data

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-03 Thread Jernej Tuljak
Juergen Schoenwaelder je 3.8.2015 ob 11:25 napisal: On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:06:41AM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder je 3.8.2015 ob 10:18 napisal: Any description statement in principle can do this. We trust that sane data model writers won't do bad things. And if they do,

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-03 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 03 Aug 2015, at 18:01, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 03 Aug 2015, at 16:41, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:25 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-03 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 03 Aug 2015, at 18:01, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 03 Aug 2015, at 16:41, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote:

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 30 Jul 2015, at 13:31, Jernej Tuljak jern...@mg-soft.si wrote: Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 11:30 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Jernej Tuljak
Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 13:35 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 13:31, Jernej Tuljak jern...@mg-soft.si wrote: Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 11:30 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 30 Jul 2015, at 13:41, Jernej Tuljak jern...@mg-soft.si wrote: Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 13:35 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 13:31, Jernej Tuljak jern...@mg-soft.si wrote: Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 11:30 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 01:31:01PM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 11:30 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote:

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 30 Jul 2015, at 13:38, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 01:31:01PM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 11:30 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29,

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: Hi, I understand the intent is that an implementation of NACM has to understand these NACM extensions. I agree with Lada that

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: Hi, I understand the intent is that an implementation of NACM has to understand these NACM extensions.

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Jernej Tuljak
Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 11:30 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: Hi, I understand the intent is that an implementation of NACM has

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 29 Jul 2015, at 17:02, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:55:03PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:44, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:38:41PM

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: Hi, I understand the intent is that an implementation of NACM has to understand these NACM extensions. I agree with Lada that the YANG text about MAY ignore extensions casts doubt whether this sort of NACM rule is enforceable or specified correctly.

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi, I understand the intent is that an implementation of NACM has to understand these NACM extensions. I agree with Lada that the YANG text about MAY ignore extensions casts doubt whether this sort of NACM rule is enforceable or specified correctly. Andy On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:44 AM,

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com writes: Hi, I do not agree that ephemeral data should be outside the scope of the standard. I do not agree that YANG extensions should be used for IETF standards track modules. It was a mistake to define the get-filter hack in the first place. IMO it is a

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:34:17AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: I do not agree that YANG extensions should be used for IETF standards track modules. I strongly disagree. This was one of the two original ideas behind extension statements

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
On 29 Jul 2015, at 12:25, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:34:17AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: I do not agree that YANG extensions should be used for IETF standards track

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-28 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 05:17:11PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: Hi, I would like to open another issue for YANG 1.1, because I don't want

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-28 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 28 Jul 2015, at 11:42, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Hi, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-28 Thread Andy Bierman
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:56 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 28 Jul 2015, at 11:42, Martin Bjorklund m...@tail-f.com wrote: Hi, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote:

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:53:41PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: What might be a new task for YANG is to define general syntax for identifying different trees and inter-tree references. This is not the time to add new features to YANG 1.1. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 05:17:11PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: Hi, I would like to open another issue for YANG 1.1, because I don't want to have 1.1 and then 1.2 right away. The NETMOD WG should evaluate the different ways to support ephemeral state, based on Jeff's draft. The NETMOD WG

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-26 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi, I agree it should be a WG (maybe IESG) decision whether YANG 1.1 should be published ASAP and a new version started right away to update it. The RFC publication process is not that hard to solve. The tool and user confusion caused by all these versions is another matter. more inline...

[netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-25 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi, I would like to open another issue for YANG 1.1, because I don't want to have 1.1 and then 1.2 right away. The NETMOD WG should evaluate the different ways to support ephemeral state, based on Jeff's draft. Andy ___ netmod mailing list