Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Juergen, > -Original Message- > From: Schönwälder, Jürgen > Sent: 18 February 2020 11:20 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod- > module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS) > > On Tue,

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:12:47AM +, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > I'm also not convinced of how many implementations would properly honour the > XML regex property categories, e.g., if the pattern statement has been > translated to another regex engine. > That's a weird argument. If

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

engine. Thanks, Rob > -Original Message- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Per Hedeland > Sent: 17 February 2020 22:31 > To: Christian Hopps ; Randy Presuhn > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod- > modul

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/17/2020 2:14 PM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... If you are talking about the property categories (where I see 'Z' mentioned as "All separators") then there doesn't appear to be a "lower means include, upper means exclude" relationship. Also it appears that to refer to one of these

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

FWIUW, I created a YANG-Next issue to track the needed long-term update to RFC 7950: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/102 Kent > On Feb 17, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Per Hedeland wrote: > > On 2020-02-17 23:14, Christian Hopps wrote:

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

On 2020-02-17 23:14, Christian Hopps wrote: > > >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Randy Presuhn wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> On 2/17/2020 11:47 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... > BTW, I did

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Randy Presuhn > wrote: > > Hi - > > On 2/17/2020 11:47 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn >>> wrote: Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, >>> Christian Hopps wrote: ... BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/17/2020 11:47 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us is not part of a

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

On 2020-02-17 20:47, Christian Hopps wrote: > > >> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> ... >>> BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Schönwälder, Jürgen > wrote: > > IANA assigned > +tags must conform to Net-Unicode as defined in RFC 5198 and they shall > +not need normalization. Seems good to me. Changed locally. Thanks, Chris. ___ netmod

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Randy Presuhn > wrote: > > Hi - > > On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: > ... > > BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once > > dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us is not part of a tags allowable > >

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

From: Schönwälder, Jürgen > >> Sent: 14 February 2020 14:31 > >> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > >> Cc: Alexey Melnikov ; netmod@ietf.org; Joel > >> Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps ; The IESG > >> > >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-iet

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/17/2020 3:15 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: ... > BTW, I did look at the "SHOULD be avoided" (occurs twice that I saw) once dealing with LFs and CRs which lucky for us is not part of a tags allowable characters. There are lots of other things that complicate life.  The Yang string

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

exey Melnikov ; netmod@ietf.org; Joel >> Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps ; The IESG >> >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod- >> module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS) >> >> Rob, >> >> I think there are two related issues here: >>

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

r, Jürgen > > > Sent: 13 February 2020 18:39 > > > To: Alexey Melnikov > > > Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org; > > > netmod@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps > > > ; The IESG > > > Subject: Re: [netmod]

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 14, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Randy Presuhn > wrote: > > Hi - > > On 2/14/2020 3:21 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> How about I add this to the description of "typedef tag" in the module: >> >>description >> "A tag is a type 'string' value that does not include carriage >>

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi - On 2/14/2020 3:21 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: How about I add this to the description of "typedef tag" in the module: description "A tag is a type 'string' value that does not include carriage return, newline or tab characters. It SHOULD begin with a

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

tated? > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: iesg On Behalf Of Alexey Melnikov > >> Sent: 13 February 2020 13:10 > >> To: Christian Hopps > >> Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; Joel Ja

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

-Original Message- > > From: iesg On Behalf Of Schönwälder, Jürgen > > Sent: 13 February 2020 18:39 > > To: Alexey Melnikov > > Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org; > > netmod@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps > >

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

o: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > Cc: Christian Hopps ; Alexey Melnikov > ; netmod-cha...@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli > ; The IESG ; netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf- > netmod-module-t...@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags- > 07: (with DISCUSS) >

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

- >>>> From: iesg On Behalf Of Alexey Melnikov >>>> Sent: 13 February 2020 13:10 >>>> To: Christian Hopps >>>> Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; The IESG >>>> ; netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

stian Hopps >>> Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; The IESG >>> ; netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags- >>> 07: (with DISCUSS) >>> >>> Hi Christi

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

ent: 13 February 2020 13:10 >> To: Christian Hopps >> Cc: netmod-cha...@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; The IESG >> ; netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags- >> 07: (with DISCUSS) &

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

cha...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-module-t...@ietf.org; > netmod@ietf.org; Joel Jaeggli ; Christian Hopps > ; The IESG > Subject: Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod- > module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS) > > And a longer term solution might be to define a Y

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

> On Feb 13, 2020, at 8:10 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: >> The intent in the document is to place as few restrictions on tags as >> possible to allow for future-proofing and organic growth of use both >> within

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

And a longer term solution might be to define a YANG Net-Unicode string datatype that can be used in all situations where non-normalized strings may cause problems. The problem (if one agrees it is one) is likely much bigger than just YANG tags, there likely are many uses of YANG strings where

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Christian, On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, at 12:30 AM, Christian Hopps wrote: > The intent in the document is to place as few restrictions on tags as > possible to allow for future-proofing and organic growth of use both > within and outside of SDOs. For standard tags we trust IANA (and the > human

Re: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07: (with DISCUSS)

The intent in the document is to place as few restrictions on tags as possible to allow for future-proofing and organic growth of use both within and outside of SDOs. For standard tags we trust IANA (and the human behind the process) to make the call on whether a tag is already present. :)