Re: NetSurf 3.11 Released

[Brian Jordan]

In article
,
   Michael Drake  wrote:
> NetSurf 3.11 is now available to download from

> https://www.netsurf-browser.org/

> The biggest change to the core is improved CSS support, including
> support for the "display: flex" property value, which improves the
> layout of some web pages. There is also a new option in the Choices
> to disable CSS.

> A huge number of other changes have also been made including
> new features, significant performance optimisations, stability
> improvements, and other fixes.

[Snip details]

Many thanks, much appreciated.
B

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Re: Please test the latest build

[Brian Jordan]

In article ,
   Michael Drake  wrote:

> Please could you test the latest builds (5377 or later) from:

>   https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/

[Snip]

#5378 now running here.

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Re: Typing Cyrillic

[Brian Howlett]

On 30 May, John-Mark Bell  wrote:

> clicking on "Google offered in: russkiy" (in the absence of any
>> ability to submit Cyrillic in e-mail!) at the bottom of the page gives
>> an error; doing the same thing on google.de, for example, does
>> successfully switch the page over into searching in German.

> As of CI build #5346, Google will serve up pages using the UTF-8
> encoding, so all this mess goes away.

If you click on "This page offered in Russian" you get an error, but 
changing from http to https works,
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Re: Fetch_NS

[Brian Jordan]

In article <59767da924d...@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave  wrote:

[Snip]

> Ooeer!

> I've just rechecked and that's what is presented after a *show
> inetdbase*.

I have just had a look at VA here and I get precisely this response to
the same input.

> Obviously I have no idea what it all means... RISC OS 6.20 hasn't been
> touched/updated since December 2009.

And a MeToo here.

The rest of this thread has enabled me to get Fetch_NS going again
although there doesn't seem to be a great deal new for me to fetch...

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Re: Netsurf suddenly fails to start

[Brian Jordan]

In article <595d8eeeb9d...@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave  wrote:
> In article <595d865f5ad...@triffid.co.uk>,
>Dave  wrote:

[Snip]

> It should start with "Exclaim"  :-(

It's OK Dave - we knew what you mwaned.
B

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Re: antiClickJack

[Brian Jordan]

On 25 Apr, brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:
> In article <0f08bf2259.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
>Harriet Bazley  wrote:

> [Snip]

> >   body{display:none !important;}
> > which has the effect of hiding the entire content of the page.

> [Snip]

> Great find, thank you.
> B

My interest piqued I have been looking at this and discovered (I say
'discovered' while suspecting this is well known) that using NetSurf's
Full save facility produces a page which can be opened. The layout is
something of a dog's breakfast and all pictures are pixellated but the
links I have tried so far work and lead to nicely laid out pages which
NetSurf is happy with.

Stuffed Eggs Béarnaise anyone?

'If a web page fails to render in Netsurf try a full save' now added to
my 'Things to Try' notes

NetSurf test builds 5278 and 5286

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Re: antiClickJack

[Brian Jordan]

In article <0f08bf2259.harr...@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley  wrote:

[Snip]

>   body{display:none !important;}
> which has the effect of hiding the entire content of the page.

[Snip]

Great find, thank you.
B

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Re: Please test webp image format

[Brian Howlett]

On 8 Dec, David Higton wrote:

> In message <514e111f-108b-c4aa-b35b-081f9544d...@codethink.co.uk>
> Michael Drake  wrote:

>> Hello,
>> 
>> Recently we added the webp library to our SDK. NetSurf Builds from our CI
>> should now have webp support.
>> 
>> So far we've only tested on Linux. Please could users of other platforms
>> visit
>> 
>>https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/gallery1
>> 
>> and let us know if it's working?

> Working correctly here: BBxM, RO 5.27 (28-Oct-19), NS CI#4947.  The pairs
> of photos look identical to me.

I had the wrong colours showing on this TiMachine yesterday, but just now 
with CI#4950 it works correctly.
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Re: Google and #spf

[Brian Howlett]

On 23 Sep, Brian Howlett wrote:

> Titanium here, JS enabled - works but vv slow with Netsurf 4851 and the
> previous version I had installed, 4845.

Actually, I may have to take that back - although it certainly worked in 
4845, it eventually had a problem in 4851 - it just prints the JS to the 
NS window, along with the text normally displayed on the page.

Neither version displays the Google Doodle wither, just a pink rectangle 
which is a .png file.
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Re: Google and #spf

[Brian Howlett]

On 23 Sep, Dave wrote:

> I can confirm...
> #4850 with Javascript enabled, google.co.uk doesn't work.

> With Javascript disabled, google does work okay.

> VRPC-DL running RISC OS 6.20

Titanium here, JS enabled - works but vv slow with Netsurf 4851 and the 
previous version I had installed, 4845.
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Re: Test

[Brian Howlett]

On 19 Aug, Peter Young  wrote:

> On 19 Aug 2019  Brian Howlett  wrote:

>> Apologies in advance...

>> Issues sending to this list - using relay.plus.net has been failing, so
>> this is just to test if I can use my hosting provider's SMTP server to
>> do so instead.

> It arrived here, via Orpheus

> Best wishes,

> Peter.

Finally got Hermes figured out, but as not relevant for this list I will 
add to the newsgroup thread instead.

At least it's working now!
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Test

[Brian Howlett]

Apologies in advance...

Issues sending to this list - using relay.plus.net has been failing, so 
this is just to test if I can use my hosting provider's SMTP server to
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Re: The 3.9 Release

[Brian Jordan]

In article <20190721164517.iurgjow5ipdso...@kyllikki.org>,
   Vincent Sanders  wrote:
> I am pleased to announce the latest release of NetSurf is now available.

> NetSurf 3.9 features support for CSS Media Queries (level 4) and
> improvements to JavaScript handling.

> Also included are many bug fixes and improvements.

> We recommend all users upgrade to NetSurf 3.9.

Many thanks, this is much appreciated.

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Re: 3.8 breaks text on left on some sites

[Brian Howlett]

On 19 Apr, Mayuresh  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 07:34:03AM +0100, Peter Young wrote:
>> Development version 3.9 (Dev CI #4572) on RISC OS makes a complete hash of
>> this page.

> Is that an issue with 3.8 for others also? Should it be logged as a bug?
> Is downgrade to 3.7 the only solution right now?

Well, as Peter says, if it's still happening in the latest development 
version, it's probably a bug, or maybe a piece of CSS or Javascript that 
isn't yet implemented.

It displays the same with Javascript on or off.
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Re: Gmail In Netsurf 3.9

[Brian Howlett]

On 21 Jan, Harriet Bazley wrote:

[snip]

> Yes, it is - but can you enter your password to log in?  (Better take a copy
> of the COokies file if you plan to experiment...)

> Google now appear to have wrapped GMail into the concept of their general
> 'Google Account', which I suspect is what is causing the problem.

I forgot all about using Gmail with MPro - works just fine here.

These are the settings I have in Hermes:-

POP3 mail server - pop.gmail.com
Port - 995
User name - (MyEmail)@gmail.com
Password - You get the picture...

Secure connection selected (SSL). Works a charm.
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Re: Please try the latest build

[Brian]

In article <43bd28b6-0a6b-80db-f112-a1e5a014f...@codethink.co.uk>,
   Michael Drake  wrote:
> On 15/08/18 21:33, Peter Young wrote:

> > Yes, I got one of those too. Why ask for a reply to a closed group to a 
> > message to the general public?

> I simply sent the e-mail to two mailing lists, so that
> it would be seen by people who are only on one of them.

> Both are public, but you might not be subscribed to both.

Ah, is that what happened! 8-)

Cheers,

Re: Please try the latest build

[Brian]

On 15 Aug, bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
> In article ,
>Michael Drake  wrote:


> > On 15/08/18 09:05, Brian wrote:
> > > In article <3c705f3f-e461-c7a7-3b70-54d63192a...@netsurf-browser.org>,
> > >Michael Drake  wrote:

> > >>https://httpbin.org/basic-auth/foo/bar
> > > 
> > >>(Where "foo" is the username, and "bar" is the password,
> > >>and you can change the "correct" username and password
> > >>by changing the URL.)
> > > 
> > > Seems not to work. Serious error - crashes NetSurf.

> Oh, and 'Unable to fetch document'

> > Which platform are you testing on?

> Win 7, VRPC, RISC OS 4.02, NetSurf #4402

Ah, was your message ahead of build updates, perhaps? I updated within
seconds of the message!

Anyway, now running Win 7, VRPC, RISC OS 4.02, NetSurf #4405 - now appears
to be functioning correctly. 

[snip]

Best wishes

Brian

Re: Please try the latest build

[Brian]

In article ,
   Michael Drake  wrote:


> On 15/08/18 09:05, Brian wrote:
> > In article <3c705f3f-e461-c7a7-3b70-54d63192a...@netsurf-browser.org>,
> >Michael Drake  wrote:

> >>https://httpbin.org/basic-auth/foo/bar
> > 
> >>(Where "foo" is the username, and "bar" is the password,
> >>and you can change the "correct" username and password
> >>by changing the URL.)
> > 
> > Seems not to work. Serious error - crashes NetSurf.

Oh, and 'Unable to fetch document'

> Which platform are you testing on?

Win 7, VRPC, RISC OS 4.02, NetSurf #4402

> What exactly did you do?

As instructed.

> Can you send me the log file for the crash.

I've saved the log file but forgotten where to send it

Best wishes

Brian

Re: Please try the latest build

[Brian]

In article <3c705f3f-e461-c7a7-3b70-54d63192a...@netsurf-browser.org>,
   Michael Drake  wrote:

> Hello,

> Could people please test build #4403 or later?  (Or build from
> latest master, if you compile from source.)

>https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/

> We are close to making a release, and would like to check that
> nothing is broken.

> I am particularly interested to hear from anyone who can run
> the following platforms:

> - Amiga
> - Atari
> - Haiku
> - RISC OS
> - Windows

> We have just changed the way that HTTP authentication works,
> so I would be grateful if people could check that anything
> that requires an HTTP basic auth login still works with the
> latest build.

> If you don't know any sites which use HTTP authentication,
> you can use:

>https://httpbin.org/basic-auth/foo/bar

>(Where "foo" is the username, and "bar" is the password,
>and you can change the "correct" username and password
>by changing the URL.)

Seems not to work. Serious error - crashes NetSurf.

[snip]

Brian

Re: Image won't display

[Brian]

In article <570702972bli...@torrens.org>, Richard Torrens (lists)
 wrote:
> A very weird problem...

> The page http://stronged.torrens.org/man/modes/syntaxmodefile.html which
> I am writing. It has a line  alt="clicklist/png" width="653" height="104"> But Netsurf won't display
> the image. Chrome does it properly.

> But http://stronged.torrens.org/man/modes/img/clicklist.png displays the
> image!

Not here, I'm getting 404 - Not Found

> I am baffled.

Re: Text colour

[Brian Jordan]

In RISC OS build #4350 I see mainly white text on a black background.


In article <000cb429.01e9b4902...@smtp.freeola.net>,
   Peter Slegg  wrote:
> Hi,

> https://newsspaceflight.com/news-from-space-tech-expo/

> This page mostly show black text on a black background.
> Atari build 4350. Is it the same in other ports ?


> Peter

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Re: URL crashes Netsurf

[Brian]

In article <56e87f0c06bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
<bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <56e81c01ccli...@torrens.org>, Richard Torrens (lists)
><li...@torrens.org> wrote:
> > This URL

> > www.siemens-home.bsh-group.com/uk

> > causes Netsurf to totally crash on the ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18). 

> > The crash is total, no log file, Alt-Brk does nothing. Ctrl-Brk does
> > do a reset.

> > Does it happen to anyone else?

> No, not here. VRPC 4.02.

Well, it does now!

Re: URL crashes Netsurf

[Brian]

In article <56e81c01ccli...@torrens.org>,
   Richard Torrens (lists)  wrote:
> This URL

> www.siemens-home.bsh-group.com/uk

> causes Netsurf to totally crash on the ARMX6 with 5.23 (18-Feb-18). 

> The crash is total, no log file, Alt-Brk does nothing. Ctrl-Brk does do a
> reset.

> Does it happen to anyone else?

No, not here. VRPC 4.02.

Re: Forcing website menus to reveal themselves

[Brian Jordan]

On 23 February 2018 13:51:14 GMT+00:00, Tim Hill  wrote:

>I have never been able to get CSS-only drop-down menus to work in NS.

Nor I.  Typical is the "Results" tab in www.wodql.org.uk which behaves as 
expected when viewed in all other browsers I've tried; similarly the overflow 
of the last menu item, which could be related, is peculiar to NS. 


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Re: Backyard Worlds

[Brian]

In article <000646f6.01e9b4901...@smtp.freeola.net>,
   Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:
> Netsurf isn't able to open this link:

> https://blog.backyardworlds.org/2018/02/14/we-love-you-and-happy-anniversary/

> It just says "Unable to fetch document" after ~20s.

> In choices I have:

> curl_fetch_timeout:180


> In can open it in Cab without difficulty.

Opens quite quickly #4315 RISC OS 4.02 VRPC

Brian

Re: Page causes crash

[Brian Jordan]

In article <b1b93a9356.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> OT: I am, and I do.

Aren't, and don't, we all?

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Re: Page causes crash

[Brian]

In article <56932513adli...@torrens.org>,
   Richard Torrens (lists)  wrote:
> This may not be a Netsurf thing, but it happens rarely on anything other
> than Nersurf.

> The whole of this ARMX6's networking crashes. The only way I have found to
> recover is a reset.

> I have found a page which seems to cause this fairly reliably:
> http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/water-vole-hole.html


> Does this happen to anyone else?

No, and the vole looks quite happy too.

> RO 5.23 (29-Jun-16)
> NS 3.8 (Dev CI #4238) and earlier versions for some time.

VRPC RISC OS 4.02 
NS #4238

Re: Page layout

[Brian Jordan]

In article <5690f953cd...@timil.com>,
   Tim Hill <t...@timil.com> wrote:

[Snip]

> It's great example of a page which uses Javascript to no advantage but
> even if hover-and-drop menus are implemented with only CSS they don't
> work in NetSurf either.  :-(

Yeah. I spent ages some time back trying to get to the bottom of why I
couldn't get some hover-and-drop CSS code to work. The reason was that I
was using RISC OS to develop sites, mainly because of StrongED and the
command line access to HTML Tidy, but then I was testing the code on
Netsurf. I continue to use RISC OS to write web stuff but these days
always test it in Chrome on the other side.

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Page rendering

[Brian]

My buddy sent me the following,

https://dezinfo.net/foto/82952-yentuziast-stroit-samolet-iz-bumagi-na-protyazhenii-9-let.html
 

I was interested to compare the rendering under NetSurf and FireFox. Pity
the video doesn't display under RISC OS. That isn't a complaint by the
way. I'm just intrigued by the subject matter.

Re: Unable to Fetch document

[Brian Jordan]

In article <0011707f.01e9b4902...@smtp.freeola.net>,
   Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> I updated to 4095 and that is the same. After 1-2mins:

> Unable to fetch document

> I suspect it is some sort of timing issue but other pages will render
> after 15-20mins.

> Peter

As I have today update NetSurf to #4098 I thought I'd try this. The
result is a full download of the page in, according to the message at the
foot of the page, 16.4 seconds. "Done (16.4s)"

My machine details in my signature.

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Re: Unable to Fetch document

[Brian]

In article <5645bd9c06bbai...@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <56458bcf2dcvj...@waitrose.com>,
>Chris Newman <cvj...@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > In article <000450a6.01e9b4901...@smtp.freeola.net>, Peter Slegg
> > <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:

> > > This page always returns "Unable to fetch document" on the Atari 4088
> > > m68k build.

https://blog.backyardworlds.org/2017/05/19/thirteen-brown-dwarf-candidates-and-our-sensitivity-limits/

> > > Just wondered if other builds behave the same ?


> > Took ges to open on my RiscPC with 3.7 (Dev CI#4095) but got there
> > eventually. Just seemed to be text in monochrome.

> Quite quick-ish here, VRPC RISC OS 4.02 (Dev CI #4097).

Text in monochrome. Graph in colour. Page seems to be complete.

Re: Unable to Fetch document

[Brian]

In article <56458bcf2dcvj...@waitrose.com>,
   Chris Newman  wrote:
> In article <000450a6.01e9b4901...@smtp.freeola.net>, Peter Slegg
>  wrote:

> > This page always returns "Unable to fetch document" on the Atari 4088
> > m68k build.

https://blog.backyardworlds.org/2017/05/19/thirteen-brown-dwarf-candidates-and-our-sensitivity-limits/

> > Just wondered if other builds behave the same ?


> Took ges to open on my RiscPC with 3.7 (Dev CI#4095) but got there
> eventually. Just seemed to be text in monochrome.

Quite quick-ish here, VRPC RISC OS 4.02 (Dev CI #4097).

Re: info panel remains blank

[Brian Howlett]

On 27 May, Jim Nagel wrote:

> In recent builds* of Netsurf, the info line at bottom left of main
> window stays blank.  In the past, it usefully showed the target URL
> when the pointer was over a link in the main window.

[snip]

> * #4085 and #4088  -- here on Armini Ro 5.22 and ArmX6 5.23.

Works fine here on build #4088.
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Re: Redraw oddity

[Brian]

In article <563d1ee6d9li...@torrens.org>,
   Richard Torrens (lists)  wrote:
> https://www.quora.com/Where-does-iPhoto-store-photos-locally

> At first this displays a blank page. But wipe over it with another
> window...

> Does anyone else get the same behaviour?

>  3.7 (Dev CI #4086) on ARMX6 5.23
> (29-Jun-16)

Not quite. Wiping over works, yes. But it seems that the scroll bar is in
some way partially hidden which can be found if you poke around with mouse
then the image is diplayed.

VRPC 4.02 3.7 (Dev CI #4086)

Re: input focus

[Brian Jordan]

In article <4b8d703756@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> I notice that the input focus -- often but not always -- goes to 
> Netsurf when I click on a link in an email that opens a web page.

> This was not the case until fairly recently*.  The input focus always 
> used to remain with the email window.

[Snip]

> Using Ro 5.23 on ArmX6, Ro 5.22 on Armini (Beagle).

I confess to not having noted this as a change but I can confirm that as
of now (using Netsurf #4085) the behaviour here is as Jim has described.
A click on the Archive magazine link in the Pluto article viewer which
has the input focus opens the web page in Netsurf and the Netsurf window
gains the input focus.

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Re: Codethink sponsored work on NetSurf

[Brian]

Hi

In article <8f376c96-35c5-d12d-74d3-67a316253...@codethink.co.uk>,
   Michael Drake <michael.dr...@codethink.co.uk> wrote:

> Over the past few weeks I've been able to spend time
> contributing to open-source projects at work.

> Codethink [1] values open-source software, and so I
> was approved to work on NetSurf and related components
> while I was between projects.  I'd like to thank
> Codethink for this opportunity, which I very much
> value and appreciate.

> What follows is a summary of the development I've been
> able to accomplish during this time.

> [1] http://www.codethink.co.uk/

[big snip]


Personally, I'll never become a coder like until hell freezes over, but I
found this missive really heart warming to read. Just great. Well done,
one and all.

> Cheers,

> Michael

Cheers

Brian

Re: KYP West

[Brian]

In article <ba176a2756@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
<nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Brian [Bailey, we discover] wrote on 26 Mar: (re
>   http://www.kypwest.org.uk )

> > The site now seems to load but accessing individual geographic areas
> > gets the following,

> > Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an
> > upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET
> > /kyp/southglos. Reason: Error reading from remote server

> The Know Your Place site itself (http://kypwest.org.uk) seems to load
> OK, but the indiv geographical areas you call pages from the Bristol
> city council site, e.g. http://maps.bristol.gov.uk/kyp/?edition=glos

> The page for the exhibition at Wells (near me) is also hosted on an
> outside site (https://bishopspalace.org.uk), and Netsurf unforch has
> pictures on top of text etc.

So it does.

> I know not whether the shortcoming is in Netsurf or in nonstandard
> coding of the site, of course.

I guess that the latter might probably be the case. Nonetheless it would
be interesting to see what NatSurf can do with it in the fullness of time.

> But thanks for the pointer, Brian.  Will mention Know Your Place in the
> local conservation newsletter I do.

Well, KYP is of course of some limited interest, but at least three men
and a dog locally definitely think it's a great idea. As a community
project I feel that it has merit. It certainly is of historical interest
and has come up with a number of surprises for me.

Re: KYP West

[Brian]

In article <562119693cbbai...@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <e7f2052156.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>,
>Richard Porter <r...@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> > On 22 Mar 2017 Tony Moore  wrote:

> > > On 22 Mar 2017, Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > >> This looks to a really interesting site

> > > URL?

> > > Tony

> > I would hazard a guess that it might be http://www.kypwest.org.uk/

> That's correct. Sorry, I fired the email off before I remembered that I
> had forgotten to include it.

The site now seems to load but accessing individual geographic areas gets
the following,

Proxy Error

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET /kyp/southglos.

Reason: Error reading from remote server

Re: KYP West

[Brian]

In article <e7f2052156.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>,
   Richard Porter <r...@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 22 Mar 2017 Tony Moore  wrote:

> > On 22 Mar 2017, Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> >> This looks to a really interesting site

> > URL?

> > Tony

> I would hazard a guess that it might be http://www.kypwest.org.uk/

That's correct. Sorry, I fired the email off before I remembered that I
had forgotten to include it.

KYP West

[Brian]

This looks to a really interesting site but unfortunately doesn't work
under NetSurf, which I guess is a Javascript problem. Are we very far off,
perhaps?

Re: RESOLVED: [Was] Netsurf inconsistent behaviour between RISC OS 5.23 and 6.20

[Brian Jordan]

In article <5603e20e5c...@timil.com>,
   Tim Hill <t...@timil.com> wrote:
> In article <5603a241a4brian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> <brian.jord...@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Snip]

>  />

> Appending any fake variable to the URL forces it to be loaded every
> time the page is viewed and not just when the browser feels like it.

You live and learn! Many thanks for this tip.

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RESOLVED: [Was] Netsurf inconsistent behaviour between RISC OS 5.23 and 6.20

[Brian Jordan]

In article <56039cd7babrian.jord...@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jord...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <56033109cfbrian.jord...@btinternet.com>,
>Brian Jordan <brian.jord...@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Snip]

>Today I discovered that NetSurf on the VA displays the site as intended
> when it is loaded from my local mirror although it still doesn't work
> properly with files from the www. "Aha!" you say "go through the site
> until you find the discrepancy, it's probably a style sheet." "But," I
> reply,"it still renders correctly on the same version of NetSurf on the
> Pi when viewed via the www." Mystified and digging deeper.

[Snip]

After clearing out
HostFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf
the problem has gone away. I suspect two versions of the relevant style
sheet were being stored and that one was invoked when I loaded the online
version of the site and the other when I loaded the local version. Anyway
the site now displays as I intended in NetSurf #3966 whether it is
downloaded or loaded locally both on both platforms and with both.
versions of RISC OS.

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Re: Netsurf inconsistent behaviour between RISC OS 5.23 and 6.20

[Brian Jordan]

In article <56033109cfbrian.jord...@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jord...@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Snip]

>If there is an inconsistency relating to OS versions I will file a
> report to the NetSurf developers, if not I shall have to dig a lot
> deeper here. Thanks B

[Snip]

Thanks all for your responses. I have been looking more closely at this
and am beginning to think the problem is of my own making so, until I
have probed further, I shall hold fire on sending anything to the
developers. Today I discovered that NetSurf on the VA displays the site
as intended when it is loaded from my local mirror although it still
doesn't work properly with files from the www. "Aha!" you say "go through
the site until you find the discrepancy, it's probably a style sheet."
"But," I reply,"it still renders correctly on the same version of NetSurf
on the Pi when viewed via the www."
Mystified and digging deeper.

PS. Jim, pinch away the design ideas aren't originally mine - I just
pinched and modified them. FWIW the site was designed and laid out using
RISC OS and NetSurf in particular.

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Re: Netsurf inconsistent behaviour between RISC OS 5.23 and 6.20

[Brian]

In article <56033109cfbrian.jord...@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jord...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> The home page of www.clubmans.org.uk has a news area in the lower part.
> It is intended that this is a scrolling  and in all mainstream
> browsers I have tried this is the case [1]. it is also the case in
> NetSurf #3966 running under RISC OS 5.23 on my Raspberry Pi. However,
> using the same browser to view the same page on this emulator with RISC
> OS Select 6.20 the  overflows. The most likely explanation is, as
> ever, that this is a local issue and that I have missed the obvious but
> to help define the problem I wonder if some of you would take a look and
> let me know what you see and the OS version you are using? If there is an
> inconsistency relating to OS versions I will file a report to the NetSurf
> developers, if not I shall have to dig a lot deeper here.
> Thanks
> B

> [1] HTML tidy reports the page as  4.01 Transitional//EN"> and I test in the Windows browsers because these
> are what the majority of visitors us.

On VRPC RISC OS 4.02 with NetSurf #3966 I see the lower section as
scrolling information as you describe. Can't see any problem here.

Netsurf inconsistent behaviour between RISC OS 5.23 and 6.20

[Brian Jordan]

The home page of www.clubmans.org.uk has a news area in the lower part.
It is intended that this is a scrolling  and in all mainstream
browsers I have tried this is the case [1]. it is also the case in
NetSurf #3966 running under RISC OS 5.23 on my Raspberry Pi. However,
using the same browser to view the same page on this emulator with RISC
OS Select 6.20 the  overflows. The most likely explanation is, as
ever, that this is a local issue and that I have missed the obvious but
to help define the problem I wonder if some of you would take a look and
let me know what you see and the OS version you are using? If there is an
inconsistency relating to OS versions I will file a report to the NetSurf
developers, if not I shall have to dig a lot deeper here.
Thanks
B

[1] HTML tidy reports the page as  and I test in the Windows browsers because these
are what the majority of visitors us.

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Re: Web page magnification

[Brian Jordan]

In article <55f8413d86dhw...@talktalk.net>,
   David H Wild <dhw...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> I am having problems reading because of a cataract which needs removing,

> i find that I can read the screen fairly well if I increases the
> magnification to 150%. Is there any way of telling NetSurf that this is
> how I want all pages?

 when in Netsurf will bring up the "Scale view" dialogue; I imagine
you know this already but to make this the default you need to 
over the NetSurf window and in the "Display" sub menu click on "Save as
default". Good luck!

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Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF

[Brian Jordan]

In article <cb298fef55.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016  Tim Hill <t...@timil.com> wrote:

> > In article <f4c16bef55.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> > <r...@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill  wrote:

> >>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/

> >>>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
> >>>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
> >>>> again.

> >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> >>> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?

> >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content
> >>> Choice option.

> >>> #3798 works as expected.

> >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)

> > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.

> How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me 
> that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that 
> it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen?

> Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm 
> running?

I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to disable
Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and reload the page
the display area has a message "Your browser does not appear to support
JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly.
You can visit the HTML-only version of this page at:

NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss.




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Re: No-display page

[Brian]

In article <036018c5-50d5-622e-61b9-f2b702fac...@netsurf-browser.org>,
   Michael Drake  wrote:
> On 24/09/16 11:34, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:
http://www.petervis.com/Radios/sinclair-micromatic-pocket-radio/sinclair-micromatic-pocket-radio.html
> >
> > Does not display.

> Should be fixed in the next build (#3717).

Looks OK here with #3717.

> Cheers,

Re: Site crasher NS

[Brian]

In article <55c2a0d199li...@torrens.org.uk>,
   Richard Torrens (lists)  wrote:
> http://nosher.net

> Twice gives a window to accept certificate. On accepting second one, NS
> dies.


> 3.6 (Dev CI #3714) and a few prevous. Does thisa happen to others?

Agreed.

Re: memory-gobbling on Virtual Acorn

[Brian Jordan]

In article <aaeab6b255.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
   Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <3f4747b255@abbeypress.net>
>   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> Recent (as I type this) is #3672.

I have #3672 here as well. I have just taken a look at the Jenkins
NetSurf changes page and the most recent version reported there is #3543
(May 15, 2016 4:27 PM). Has the location of this information been changed
or have no changes been made since that date?
http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/netsurf/changes

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Re: memory-gobbling on Virtual Acorn

[Brian]

In article <bd4486b255.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 19 Aug 2016  Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> > I'm using Virtual RiscPC on my ol' Windows XP laptop while away from
> > base.  Various wrinkles of this setup are still unfamiliar to me.

> > One is that Netsurf (recent, #3538) too quickly eats up all the free
> > memory.

> > What can I do to avoid this?  I guess I either need to fix Netsurf or
> > need to find a way to make Windows give more memory to VRPC.  Haven't
> > yet found a way to do either; advice welcome, please.

> Just a silly point, maybe. Why use NetSurf when you have much more 
> versatile browsers in Windows? NetSurf is excellent as far as it goes, 
> but can't compete with Chrome or Firefox on the dark side.

Hi Peter,

Use it all the time for reading HTML in Pluto email. Also, Firefox in Win
7. Horses for courses, depending on what I am doing.

Wouldn't be without NetSurf now.

Take care.

Brian

Really odd one here!

[Brian]

I've got two newsletters here. One from PermaJet and another from Wisdom
Books, both through Pluto.

The PermaJet newsletter loads into NetSurf OK via the HTML file attachment.

But, surprise, surprise, the HTML file attachment in the Wisdom Books
newsletter belongs to the PermaJet newsletter and loads the PermaJet
newsletter into NetSurf.???

Never ever seen this one before. My feeling is that the fault must lie
with Pluto but could the fault lie elsewhere, perhaps? How could this
happen?

Any explanations to this one, please.

Re: Unrecognized or bad HTTP Content

[Brian Howlett]

On 5 Apr, Brian Howlett wrote:

[snip]

> Just for a laugh, I tried the above link in Oregano2, and it worked -
> the page redirects to http://www.perryscider.co.uk/age-check so
> visitors to the site can confirm they are over 18.

> The link to that page does work in NS 3460.

However, it then gives the same error when I tell it I'm 18 (or 
over...)

Works OK in O2, so I guess it's a Javascript thing.

It makes no difference if JS is on or off in Netsurf.
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Re: Unrecognized or bad HTTP Content

[Brian Howlett]

On 5 Apr, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:

> www.perryscider.co.uk

> This causes NS 3460 to report
>   Unrecognized or bad HTTP Content or Transfer-Encoding

> Site works on Chrome, Browse. Causes Otter to crash.

> Can't connect with Telnet

Just for a laugh, I tried the above link in Oregano2, and it worked - 
the page redirects to http://www.perryscider.co.uk/age-check so 
visitors to the site can confirm they are over 18.

The link to that page does work in NS 3460.
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Re: multi-core processors

[Brian]

In article <mpro.o4n6y000qiel505ac.atdotcodo...@dotcodotukat.co.uk>, Vince
M Hudd <atdotcodo...@dotcodotukat.co.uk> wrote:
> Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > It does beg the question. What happens when NetSurf runs in VRPC on a
> > Win 7 machine with a multi-core processor? Does VRPC take advantage of
> > multiple cores?

> This isn't really a NetSurf question since you're asking about VRPC, so
> I'm reluctant to answer it here. I've therefore sent my reply to it to
> the VirtualAcorn mailing list.

> I'm not sure if you subscribe, so now that the message has appeared, it
> can be found in the list archive here:

http://riscository.co.uk/pipermail/virtualacorn-list_riscository.co.uk/2016-March/002311.html

Thank you. I was just curious.

Re: multi-core processors

[Brian]

In article <20160325182319.gl23...@platypus.pepperfish.net>,
   Rob Kendrick  wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 04:58:05PM +, Jim Nagel wrote:
> > Some of the new Arm hardware running RiscOS (e.g. the ArmX6 and 
> > Titanium) has a multi-core processor.  So far, of course, RiscOS lacks 
> > the ability to make use of the extra potential.
> > 
> > Question occurs to me:  what's the situation with the other platforms 
> > on which Netsurf runs -- Amiga, Atari, etc?  Does multi-core ability 
> > exist in hardware there?
> > 
> > Do the Netsurf developers have ideas for how Netsurf could take 
> > advantage of the extra processing power when the OSes allow it?

> NetSurf is single-threaded, by design.  It won't take direct advantange
> of multiple cores.  It'll still be faster on those systems which support
> multiple CPUs, because the OS can run on one while NetSurf runs on
> another.

It does beg the question. What happens when NetSurf runs in VRPC on a Win
7 machine with a multi-core processor? Does VRPC take advantage of
multiple cores?

> B.

Re: unresizable web page (last bank standing)

[Brian]

In article <89691e5c55@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> Richard Ashbery  wrote on 5 Mar:
> > Now downloaded C1 #3433 and image displays correctly. Resizing
> > enlarges picture as expected. Text remains same size.

> Yes, here too, having newly updated to #3433.

Same here, looks to be perfect.

> So thanks to the Netsurf team for correcting whatever it was.

[snip]

Very slow download

[Brian]

#3410 downloaded this morning, unusually, very slowly. Any reason, perhaps?

Re: Big push on testing needed

[Brian]

In article <5548c5c513cvj...@waitrose.com>,
   Chris Newman  wrote:
> In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
>Dave Higton  wrote:
> > Big news...

> > Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates.  Yes, a new
> > release of NetSurf is imminent.

> > Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will,
> > of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good
> > thrashing, and get your bug reports in.

> > Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the
> > Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been
> > for a couple of days or so now).

> Greetings from sunny Australia (gloat, gloat),

> The 38 Degrees petition page at

> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Scotland-stop-CETA

> Is a bit of a pigs dinner. It takes ages to load, frames overlap & the
> signing link doesn't work.

10.2 secs here and only one frame overlaps. Not really a pig's dinner, not
even a dog's breakfast, I would think!?! Don't know about the signing in
link, something happens but not sure if it does so correctly, or not.

#3315 on VRPC 4.02

> Dev CI #3315   on  Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39
> Same effects with JS on or off.

> Works OK using Maxthon browser on the Windows side.

> Does anyone see the same effects?

Re: Very slow page rendering

[Brian Jordan]

In article <000a3379.01eff490b...@smtp.freeola.net>,
   Peter Slegg <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:

> http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/atari/gemtk/guiwin.c

> This page takes abut 20mins to download and render, Highwire browser
> takes about 6sec.

> I think the difference is that Highwire doesn't handle the css
> so maybe there could be some performance gains to be had in
> either downloading or the css handling ?

FWIW on this virtual RPC with JavaScript and css running the
download/render process takes c10.5 seconds.

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Re: The Kingfisher by Corne van Oosterhout

[Brian]

In article <553f34b7e2...@timil.com>, Tim Hill <t...@timil.com> wrote:
> In article <553f246478bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
> <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <0002ff1d.01eff4901...@smtp.freeola.net>, Peter Slegg
> > <p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > I know that this is very much a technical newsgroup but I just
> > > > could not fail to be impressed how well NetSurf renders the
> > > > following,
> > > >
http://totallycoolpix.com/magazine/2016/01/the-kingfisher-by-corne-van-oosterhout
> > > >
> > > > some sort of photography!?!
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > >

> > > Is that url complete ?

> > > All I get is  "Bad redirect URL"

> > No problem here, Peter. No explanation either.!?!

> > Try removing the > > (don't know what you call those thingys) the line
> > wrap seems to make no difference.

> I find it useful to refer to punctuation using their HTML entities (when
> the recipient has half a chance of understanding) but there's no telling
> how  will be treated between my fingers and your eyes. I've heard <
> () and > () referred to as 'angle brackets' so  > () would
> be 'closing angle bracket' and you see why I use  instead.

Thank you, Tim. I knew that they had to have 'proper' nomenclature.

The angle brackets I'm mostly used to were usually made from 3/8in mild
steel, or thereabouts. 

Brian

Re: The Kingfisher by Corne van Oosterhout

[Brian]

In article <0002ff1d.01eff4901...@smtp.freeola.net>, Peter Slegg
<p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk> wrote:
> > I know that this is very much a technical newsgroup but I just could
> > not fail to be impressed how well NetSurf renders the following,
> >
http://totallycoolpix.com/magazine/2016/01/the-kingfisher-by-corne-van-oosterhout
> >
> > some sort of photography!?!
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >

> Is that url complete ?

> All I get is  "Bad redirect URL"

No problem here, Peter. No explanation either.!?!

Try removing the > > (don't know what you call those thingys) the line
wrap seems to make no difference.



Brian

The Kingfisher by Corne van Oosterhout

[Brian]

I know that this is very much a technical newsgroup but I just could not
fail to be impressed how well NetSurf renders the following,

http://totallycoolpix.com/magazine/2016/01/the-kingfisher-by-corne-van-oosterhout

some sort of photography!?!

Brian

Re: The Kingfisher by Corne van Oosterhout

[Brian]

In article <553e5f2a40ris...@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery
<ris...@gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <553e513519bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
><bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > I know that this is very much a technical newsgroup but I just could
> > not fail to be impressed how well NetSurf renders the following,

> > http://totallycoolpix.com/magazine/2016/01/the-kingfisher-by-corne-van-oosterhout

> > some sort of photography!?!

> I'm afraid Brian - in this case the credit should be given to the
> photographer not our wonderful NetSurf Team.

Well, you've got to start somewhere.

> As soon as you enter the site with NetSurf 3.4 (Dev C1 #3252) there is a
> large amount of white space on the right-hand-side before you get to
> Corne's photography which I must confess is brilliant.

Yes, but I disregarded the white space. 

> Text overlaps the right-hand margin which makes it difficult to read.

Now that is odd because that isn't happening here. Also #3252.

> A couple of the pictures are quite extraordinary - it reveals the
> 'Nictitating' membrane that covers the eye to protect the bird when
> diving for fish. Superb :-))

That is what I was drawn to, too. Yes, indeed. Superb 8-))

Brian

Re: Javascript Date() function corrected?

[Brian]

In article <7b97583c55.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 3 Jan 2016  Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> > At some stage recently the Javascript Date() function appears to have
> > been fixed.  Previously, when DST was in force, the time was shown as
> > 1 hour in advance (double correction).

> > The attached is a short file to test it, and I would appreciate your
> > feedback as to whether it now shows the correct time for everyone,
> > with and without DST in force.

> > There is a new RISC OS build CI #3249 today.

> Works here, with that build. RISC OS 5.23 (RComp), ARMX6.

Works here too, #3249, RISC OS 4.02, VRPC.

Regards

Brian

Re: AA dog rescue nothing loads

[Brian Howlett]

On 25 Dec, Dave Higton wrote:

[snip]

> The page is an untidy sprawling mess of Javascript, whether or not
> Javascript is enabled in NetSurf. But I haven't looked in any more
> detail.

[snip]

Not only is it an untidy sprawling mess of Javascript, it's all in the 
 tags, so I'm surprised it's visible in any browser...
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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article <50cad93255.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer <jjvdg...@inbox.com> wrote:

> > Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> >> In article <aec4903255.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> >> <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> >>> No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a
> >>> link in Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open
> >>> anyway. Sorry not to be helpful!

> >> Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so
> >> far as I can remember, always works here.

> > Are we talking about the same thing here?

> Possibly not. I was referring to double-clicking an HTML file on my 
> hard disc. However ...

> > - Quit NetSurf
> > - Open a taskwindow
> > - Enter:
> >   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

> > What happens?

> > I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with www.ikke.no.

> ... and I've tried that, using both http://www.ikke.no/ and 
> www.google.co.uk in a taskwindow, with NetSurf not running, and in 
> both cases NetSurf loads and the page is opened.

Not wishing to cause confusion, but why would one wish to work that way,
as above? Don't get it at the moment.

> Best wishes,

> Peter.

Regards

Brian

Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article <73bae93255.jan-j...@armx6.gmx.com>,
   Jan-Jaap van der Geer <jjvdg...@inbox.com> wrote:
> Brian <bbai...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > > On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer <jjvdg...@inbox.com>
> > > wrote:

> > > > - Quit NetSurf
> > > > - Open a taskwindow
> > > > - Enter:
> > > >   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

> > > > What happens?

> > > > I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with
> > > > www.ikke.no.

> > Not wishing to cause confusion, but why would one wish to work
> > that way, as above? Don't get it at the moment.

> I don't want to work that way, but this is more or less the way
> Messenger and other applications open links. So by reproducing the
> problem with URIDispatch I take Messenger out of the loop, we know
> it hasn't anything to do with Messenger.

> Cheers,
> Jan-Jaap

OK, thanks, Jan-Jaap, understood. Got me worried there. I'll stick with
Pluto.

Regards

Brian

Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article <aec4903255.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
<pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer <jjvdg...@inbox.com> wrote:

> > Peter Young <pnyo...@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> >> On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer <jjvdg...@inbox.com> wrote:

[snip]

> No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a link in
> Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open anyway. Sorry
> not to be helpful!

Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so far as I
can remember, always works here.

> No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I
> have no idea who wrote it.

> Best wishes,

> Peter.

Regards

Brian

Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article
<out-56584fd6.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk>, Chris
Young <chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:08:31 +0000 (GMT), Brian wrote:

> > Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A further
> > double click is now needed to load the HTML file. Previously, a single
> > double click on the file icon was all that was needed to load the file
> > into NerSurf.

> This was my fault, sorry, should now be fixed.

Ah, well done. Thanks.

I was beginning to think that I was having a brain storm or something.
Though it wouldn't have been much of a storm at my age. 8-)

Brian

Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A further double
click is now needed to load the HTML file. Previously, a single double
click on the file icon was all that was needed to load the file into
NerSurf.

Re: Flickr

[Brian]

In article <552270b733joh...@ukgateway.net>,
   John Williams  wrote:

> Attempting to view a photo of the PiTop at:

> https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks1970/22992712162/

> does not render the photo, yet it has been pointed out to me that it does
> work with NetSurf 3.1, and for me here with an old 3.0.

Yuk, I would confirm that, #3062.

> 3.3 fails to render the image, as do later development versions, but I do
> not have sufficient stock of older versions to isolate when the problem
> started.

> If anyone does have adequate numbers of earlier versions to find out at
> what development version the trouble started, I'm sure that information
> would help the developers greatly!

Regret, unable to help there.

> John

Re: #2988 hanging

[Brian Howlett]

On 12 Oct, Gavin Wraith  wrote:

> Twice in succession now I have found that NetSurf #2988, with Javascript
> disabled, hangs when I try to browse http://kenodoxia.blogspot.com/.

> This is on an Rpi 2 with RO 5.23.

> When I switch on again I check the SD card with DiscKnight. On the first
> occasion there were 9 faults. Mend them with DiscKnight and try again.

> The same happens, but the second time there were 11 faults. After
> mending the second time I recheck the SD card. SD card OK.

Site works fine here on Iyonix, with RO 5.22 and NS #2992, with JS on 
or off.
-- 
Brian Howlett
--
"A man with a briefcase can steal more money than any man with a gun"
 - Don Henley

Re: Fail 2890 json

[Brian]

In article mpro.nt3akk00k0cd600b9.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
   David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
 Gerald Dodson, on 13 Aug, wrote:

  Has any one else had this version fail?

 Try #2911 or later.

Well, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33867962 now seems to be OK
with #2916. Is that the answer you were looking for?

Re: Something went wrong between 2873 and 2874

[Brian]

In article 80739ff154.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/33867962 causes NS to silently
 evaporate from CI 2874 onwards - up to 2873 is OK.

Evaporates with #2890, too.

 I have reported it.

 2874 onwards also fails to view the report in Mantis - which gives
 another URL to try.

 Dave

Re: Saving Choices

[Brian Jordan]

In article c45a69f154.ga...@wra1th.plus.com,
   Gavin Wraith ga...@wra1th.plus.com wrote:
 I have noticed that Disable JavaScript appears not to be  saved
 in Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Choices. Is that right?
 Using NS 3.4 #2876

That seems to be the case.

From the Jenkins changes log:

#2872   (9th August)

2. Permanently enable display of the 'enable javascript UI options'

Does this mean that on other platforms there is now a javascript on/off
button or menu option which does away with the need to permanently save
this preference? If so maybe this won't work in the RISC OS version until
the UI is updated. Only guessing.

-- 
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Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Slashdot strangeness

[Brian]

In article cd6a0ef054.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 In message 54e917b892bbai...@argonet.co.uk
   Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 In article 68c6ebe854.davem...@my.inbox.com,
Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
  I've noticed many times recently that sometimes, when I double-click
  the hotlist entry for Slashdot, the window opens, the throbber goes
  round, but nothing arrives, nor does it time out.  When this happens,
  if I click stop, put the caret in the URL bar and press Return, the
  page is fetched.
 
  Does anyone else see the same symptoms?  This is on an Iyonix, RO
  5.22, 512 MiB RAM, and with various recent CI versions (I check for
  a new CI version daily) over at least 2 weeks.
 
  I am aware that Slashdot has had some problems recently (hardware
  failure), though I'd have thought they would be over by now.
 
  I haven't noticed any other site show these symptoms.  It doesn't
  happen every time.
 
  http://slashdot.org
 
  Dave
 
 Yes, it does that here too. VRPC, RISC OS 4.02.

Still happening here! #2869 

 Just to bring this to a close, from my POV anyway...

 I didn't want to raise a bug report until I had something more
 substantial for the developers to work on - after all, the symptoms
 could have been caused by a local problem.  However, more recent
 builds haven't exhibited the problem at all.

 Dave

 
 Can't remember your password? Do you need a strong and secure password?
 Use Password manager! It stores your passwords  protects your account.
 Check it out at http://mysecurelogon.com/manager

Re: Slashdot strangeness

[Brian]

In article 68c6ebe854.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 I've noticed many times recently that sometimes, when I double-click
 the hotlist entry for Slashdot, the window opens, the throbber goes
 round, but nothing arrives, nor does it time out.  When this happens,
 if I click stop, put the caret in the URL bar and press Return, the
 page is fetched.

 Does anyone else see the same symptoms?  This is on an Iyonix, RO
 5.22, 512 MiB RAM, and with various recent CI versions (I check for
 a new CI version daily) over at least 2 weeks.

 I am aware that Slashdot has had some problems recently (hardware
 failure), though I'd have thought they would be over by now.

 I haven't noticed any other site show these symptoms.  It doesn't
 happen every time.

 http://slashdot.org

 Dave

Yes, it does that here too. VRPC, RISC OS 4.02. 

Brian

Re: Crash with #2860

[Brian]

In article 14a182e554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 I can't raise a bug report for this, as the bug-reporting page was
 off-line when I tried just now. I'll try again later today.

 ARMX6, RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when
 I opened my home page, www.bbc.co.uk/news. I shut the machine down. and
 this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the
 logfile. I reverted to #2856, which behaved.

 Has anyone else found this? If so, I'll raise a proper bug report when
 I can do.

Yes, Peter, it crashes. Tested several times.

Brian

Re: Crash with #2860

[Brian Jordan]

In article 14a182e554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 I can't raise a bug report for this, as the bug-reporting page was 
 off-line when I tried just now. I'll try again later today.

 ARMX6, RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed 
 when I opened my home page, www.bbc.co.uk/news. I shut the machine 
 down. and this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the 
 logfile. I reverted to #2856, which behaved.

 Has anyone else found this? If so, I'll raise a proper bug report when 
 I can do.

Exactly the same here Peter, I too have reverted to #2856.

BJ

-- 
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Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Crash with #2860

[Brian]

In article 98959be554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Peter Young
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 19 Jul 2015  David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

  David Pitt, on 19 Jul, wrote:

  David Pitt, on 19 Jul, wrote:
  
  Chris Young, on 19 Jul, wrote:
  
  On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:57:04 +0100, David Pitt wrote:
  
  NetSurf opens a local home page here on startup. Reboot the
  machine, start NetSurf, quit NetSurf then restart NetSurf, crash.
  This starts with #2859 and also happens with #2860, however #2858
  seems OK. If NetSurf is restarted without opening a home page then
  the crash happens on clicking on its iconbar icon.
  
  Actually, try 2862, that's more likely to fix it.
  
  Or not. I have posted a log at :-
  
  http://www.pittdj.co.uk/temp/ns2862.zip
  
  I will get something on the bug tracker.
  
  http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2334

  #2863 fixes it.

  Many thanks.

 And from me.

Agreed.

Cheers

Brian

Re: !Fetch_NS

[Brian Jordan]

In article f445d9de54.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

[Snip]

 I've just discovered that the version I have is by Frank de Bruijn.

This is directly available from Frank's site www.aconet.org/tools/

BJ

-- 
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Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Google

[Brian Jordan]

In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk,
   Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:
 In article 54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams
 joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
  In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter
 r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

   I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript
   on/off button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't
   work and if it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

 I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
 normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Seems to be true here as well.

-- 
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Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: More disc cache improvements

[Brian]

In article 0c9680c054.andrew-...@waitrose.com,

[snip]

 More measurements:
 Various sites including BBC election coverage: 212787 bytes/second
 Relaunch, load home page only and quit: 0 bytes/second ???
 Same again, but force a refresh and then quit: 31146 bytes/second
 Same again, but after the buxtonweather.co.uk site has done its 
 regular update (every five minutes): 0 bytes/second
 A wide range of sites, mostly new to me:  328299 bytes/second

 I'm curious that there is so much variability!

Yes, me too. Seemingly, large variance here too.

Kind regards

Brian

Re: More disc cache improvements

[Brian]

In article 20150505103028.gg19...@kyllikki.org,
   Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 Further to my previous efforts I have made an attempt to improve the
 disc cache performance even more. I would again be grateful if
 suitably interested users could try test CI build 2771 or later.

[snip]

 I would be interested in getting the details from using the updated
 test release in the same way as previously detailed. (The overall
 bandwidth message from the log)

OK. VRPC, 4.02,

content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3361: Backing store average bandwidth
15983181 bytes/second

Hope that this is useful.

 I am especially interested in testing from the Iyonix as this was
 right on the edge of usefulness previously. It is probably not worth
 bothering with the RPi and ARM mini platforms as their reported
 bandwidth last time was awful and I do not envisage an improvement of
 that many orders of magnitude.

Re: Hot List

[Brian]

In article 20150501083236.GF23045@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone
dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 19:56:38 +0100, Dave Higton wrote:
   would it be practicable to sponsor support of the the RISC OS side
   of NetSurf under the ROOL sponsorship scheme? I should be glad to
   contribute if such a scheme were to be implemented.
  
  Financial incentives don't appear to have made any difference so far.

 Quite frankly, unless there was enough money to actually properly employ
 an engineer, most people are low on time rather than low on motivation. 
 (At least regarding anything a few quid could resolve)

Then the ROOL sponsorship scheme is quite pointless, yes??? 8-(

Re: Unable to report a bug.

[Brian]

In article 85ea9bb454.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 15 Apr 2015  Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:

  In article f71659b454.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
 Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
  On 14 Apr 2015  Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

  I have tried to report this on the bug tracker, but can't. It didn't
  accept my username and password, I have tried twice to change the
  password, and still can't get in. Perhaps someone who can access the
  tracker might kindly like to report it.

  ARMini, RISC OS 5.18, NS #2720

  I tried to access http://www.remapglos.org.uk/ and get Warning from
  NetSurf: OK. The site works properly on Chrome in Windows. I have the
  relevant logfile.

  I have now been able to report this using Windows Chrome, but still
  can't do it with RISC OS NetSurf. Why, I wonder?

  If you want to enhance your report Netsurf is being tripped up by the
  following meta statement within the head/head of the document.

  meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=
text/html; charset=us-ascii /

  An interesting page in many ways, running it through HTML Tidy here
  throws up a lot of warnings and concludes Info: Document content looks
  like HTML Proprietary

 Thanks, Brian, and I've added a note, even though I don't understand 
 what you say!

 The NetSurf site seems to have had a hiccup this morning, in that I 
 could neither log in nor download the latest version.

Indeed, it did. All I could achieve was a timeout.

 All seems to be 
 well now, and I can log in to the bug tracker using NetSurf once more.

 Best wishes,

 Peter.

Re: Unable to report a bug.

[Brian Jordan]

In article f71659b454.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 14 Apr 2015  Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

  I have tried to report this on the bug tracker, but can't. It didn't
  accept my username and password, I have tried twice to change the
  password, and still can't get in. Perhaps someone who can access the
  tracker might kindly like to report it.

  ARMini, RISC OS 5.18, NS #2720

  I tried to access http://www.remapglos.org.uk/ and get Warning from
  NetSurf: OK. The site works properly on Chrome in Windows. I have the
  relevant logfile.

 I have now been able to report this using Windows Chrome, but still 
 can't do it with RISC OS NetSurf. Why, I wonder?

If you want to enhance your report Netsurf is being tripped up by the
following meta statement within the head/head of the document.

meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=
  text/html; charset=us-ascii /

An interesting page in many ways, running it through HTML Tidy here
throws up a lot of warnings and concludes Info: Document content looks
like HTML Proprietary

-- 
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Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Updated disc cache

[Brian Jordan]

In article 20150403111441.gb18...@kyllikki.org,
   Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

[Snip]

 If you are feeling very adventurous you can report the bandwidth
 achieved.

[Snip]

(152.54) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3352: Backing store
average bandwidth 561256 bytes/second

-- 
_

Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Updated disc cache

[Brian]

[snip]

 I would suggest that any of you using the disc cache to delete it
 before running a NetSurf CI version after #2696 NetSurf will continue
 to run just fine if you do not but all the old cache files will be
 left behind and never cleaned up.

Is there a ',' or an '.' missing somewhere? The meaning is slightly fuzzy.

[snip]

#2674 page layout rendering

[Brian]

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/reviews/lenses/canon-ef-11-24mm-f4l-usm-review?utm_campaign=20150323-qap-x-nwl-tw-amateurphotographer-24-03-2015utm_medium=emailutm_source=newsletterutm_campaign=20150323_QAP-X_NWL_TW_AmateurPhotographerutm_medium=emailutm_source=Eloqua

Errors in page layout rendering.

Re: AJAX

[Brian]

In article 20150319102513.go18...@platypus.pepperfish.net, Rob Kendrick
r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:10:44AM +, Brian wrote:
  I receive a monthly newsletter. The latest cannot be read. NS says
  'This browser is not AJAX enabled'. What's that all about, please? Is
  there a way round it so that the newsletter can be read?

 AJAX - Asynchronous Javascript and XML.  It is a term used to describe
 applications that run in the browser and use XML to communicate to the
 server.

 Why anybody would consider using this for a newsletter is beyond me.

 Regardless, anything AJAX won't work in NetSurf yet.

Clearly so.

  Should I complain to the sender, perhaps? They are a large company.

 You could always ask them to send a news letter as, you know, text.  In
 an email.  Companies seem to forget you can do that.

Well, it's not desperate, but the company have agreed to send information
that is semi-legal/financial, so I am just a bit irritated. But I will
have a gentle moan at them. 

Thanks for the information. Most helpful!

B

AJAX

[Brian]

I receive a monthly newsletter. The latest cannot be read. NS says 'This
browser is not AJAX enabled'. What's that all about, please? Is there a
way round it so that the newsletter can be read?

Should I complain to the sender, perhaps? They are a large company.

Re: AJAX

[Brian Jordan]

In article 54a6c02a46bbai...@argonet.co.uk,
   Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
 I receive a monthly newsletter. The latest cannot be read. NS says 'This
 browser is not AJAX enabled'. What's that all about, please? Is there a
 way round it so that the newsletter can be read?
AJAX is an ACRONYM for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML. The concensus,
from a few articles I have just read, seems to be that JavaScript has to
be enabled in order to avoid this message. Maybe enabling JavaScript in
NetSurf, if you haven't already done so, will be sufficient? I say this
because some sites seem to test for the presence of JS even if it isn't
actually needed in order to display (at least some of) the content.

 Should I complain to the sender, perhaps? They are a large company.
Probably not worth the bother I'm afraid. Unless you want the usual
corporate We have optimised... reply.

-- 
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Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: AJAX

[Brian]

In article 54a6c33af1brian.jord...@btinternet.com, Brian Jordan
brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:
 In article 54a6c02a46bbai...@argonet.co.uk, Brian
bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
  I receive a monthly newsletter. The latest cannot be read. NS says
  'This browser is not AJAX enabled'. What's that all about, please? Is
  there a way round it so that the newsletter can be read?
 AJAX is an ACRONYM for Asynchronous JavaScript and XML. The concensus,
 from a few articles I have just read, seems to be that JavaScript has to
 be enabled in order to avoid this message. Maybe enabling JavaScript in
 NetSurf, if you haven't already done so, will be sufficient? I say this
 because some sites seem to test for the presence of JS even if it isn't
 actually needed in order to display (at least some of) the content.

JS is enabled.

  Should I complain to the sender, perhaps? They are a large company.
 Probably not worth the bother I'm afraid. Unless you want the usual
 corporate We have optimised... reply.

Yeah, well. I'm sure that are right. But I thought that I would ask anyway.

I would add that I am finding NS to be increasingly useful for most of my
correspondence of this type and as I prefer to use RISC OS (VRPC, Win 7)
this is encouraging.

Re: #2652 page rendering oddity

[Brian]

In article 54a54db843ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk,
   cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:
 In article 54a546bb12bbai...@argonet.co.uk,
Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
  Almost invariably, loading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzogchen
  initially gives a page display which looks to me like the an
  incomplete html file contents (poor description, explanation, I'm
  afraid). Reloading the page usually then renders the page
  correctly, in full. Do others get the same behaviour, please?

 It seemed to load normally here, albeit very slowly, but some of the
 images were missing. Not sure if it is the same effect, but I have
 found recent versions of NetSurf seem to miss fetching some of the
 images on pages with lots of thumbnails. A reload then gets them all.
 NetSurf v. 3.1 always loads the full set of thumbnails first time.

I guess that's a fair description of what I am seeing here, thanks.

I forgot, Win 7, VRPC 4.02 here.

Re: NS serious error

[Brian Howlett]

On 9 Mar, Gerald Dodson wrote:

 In trying to access:

 www.hl.co.uk/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eur-0.75

 NS has a serious error and must exit.

 Iyo 5.18
 NS 2641

 I would try ths on the other Iyo but again I think the vga output i not
 working.

 Any one else get te same?

Same version here, but with RO 5.20 the page 404's, but it's a 
personalised 404 error page, which means that I can view the domain 
and click links to other parts of the site OK.
-- 
Brian Howlett
--
My net income doesn't cover my gross habits...

Re: Dictionary.com

[Brian Jordan]

In article defcef9854.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   Nick Roberts tig...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 The website

   http://www.dictionary.com/

 is supposed to have a field where one can type in a word to look up.
 This field is either not present or invisible in NetSurf CI#2600.

This is a display issue; I'm not sure whether CSS or Javascript is the
culprit. In my PC browsers the top, blue bar contains the logo and
Dictionary, Thesaurus, Translator and More... legends all aligned
centrally. Beneath, and still within the top bar is the search field. In
the Netsurf rendition the field is still there, directly beneath those
legends albeit without the magnifying glass icon and displayed as a white
box at the top of the grey left sidebar. Typing a word into that area and
hitting return leads to a new definition page which is also malformed in
the Netsurf view but at least with the definitions displayed.

Also using Netsurf CI#2600

-- 
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Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8.1 Pro
RISC OS 6.20
_

Re: Dictionary.com

[Brian Howlett]

On 20 Feb, Nick Roberts wrote:

 The website

   http://www.dictionary.com/

 is supposed to have a field where one can type in a word to look up.
 This field is either not present or invisible in NetSurf CI#2600.

It is there, but unlabelled and not at all obvious. It's right under 
the word Dictionary in the blue banner at the top of the page.

That's with Build 2600 with JS On on RO 5.20 if that's relevant.
-- 
Brian Howlett
-
Watch out...
...you might get what you're after...

Re: NetSurf-gcc-json-2553

[Brian Howlett]

On 28 Jan, Dave Higton wrote:

 Brian and Gavin, would you be able and willing to try CI versions
 2541 and 2542 with that site? I suspect you'll find that 2541 is
 OK and 2542 not.

I don't have those versions, as I just download the latest build when 
I remember, and I sometimes miss a few. I see that Gavin has already 
tested it for you, so presumably you don't need me to go looking for 
the older versions?
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Brian Howlett
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You can't get the wood, you know!