Re: Gmail In Netsurf 3.9 / keyboard shortcut for Javascript

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> Justin Wierbonski  wrote on 21 Sep:
> > ... is there a keyboard shortcut for turning off/on javascript?

> Something I've wished for (on this list and elsewhere) for ages! Good
> old Fresco, years ago, had a buttonbar item to switch its (primitive)
> Javascript on and off. I have tried, but failed, to use !Keystroke to
> set up such a key.

Keystroke is an app still use... If I can fathom how to do it...
I wonder if there's anyone left in the RISC OS arena who is expert on
Keystroke?

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Missing images

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Richard Porter  wrote:
> Hi all, I've got a strange problem on one of my sites.
> On http://www.mmpa.org.uk/ all of the gif images are missing, including 
> the yellow navigation buttons at the top. If you go to other pages the 
> "home" and "News" buttons are present.

> On Otter Browser and on other platforms all the images are present.

> Before I raise a bug report I'd like to know if other NetSurf users are 
> seeing the same fault. There was a recent update to the news panel which 
> increased it's size. This could have affected the rendering.

No problem here Richard, the yellow nav buttons all display and work using
Netsurf Dev CI#4363

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: NetSurf web sites

[Dave Symes]

In article <921e311a57.davem...@my.inbox.com>,
   David Higton  wrote:
> Also I notice that the !Fetch_NS app no longer works, complaining of
> an incorrectly formatted filename at line 24.  Probably not your
> problem, but I struggle to see how it works and thus how the error
> occurs.  Help would be appreciated!

There's a thread and solution on the c.s.apps newsgroup. Fetch_NS.

Chris Johnson suggested and Frank put it in a form that even idiots like
me could eventually understand, with a tweak to the Fetch_NS settings file.

You need to view the thread to get the whole picture.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: launching a PDF from a link

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> Tim Hill  wrote on 11 Jul:

> > Yes, I think that was Jim's desire: click on a link to a PDF on a
> > webpage and it opens in your default PDF viewer without the save-drag
> > & double-click.

> Gzackly.  The extra steps are too much for the technophobic Mrs N.  
> She can view a Jpeg link without extra steps, so why must Netsurf 
> require fifflefaffle for PDF?

> (Similar Q for MPro (and Pluto?) email with Jpeg vs PDF attachments.)

I know this is not what you want to see/hear...

When I get a PDF attached email in Pluto I have absolutely no problem
double clicking the attachment PDF and getting it opened in *my* default
PDF reader... Foxit PDF reader.

I get so many PDFs these days that will not open in RISC OS PDF readers... 
There are only so many times an app can piss me off before I give up and
get the stuff transferred automatically via Uniserver to the PC side and
Foxit.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Window position

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> Tim Hill  wrote on 7 Apr:

> > In article <30d0062956@abbeypress.net>,
> >Jim Nagel  wrote:
> >> Or maybe a new trick such as Shift-Adjust-click could open the new
> >> window *behind* the one I click in.  (Perhaps this is comparable to
> >> the likes of Firefox, where you can configure whether opening a new
> >> tab puts you immediately into the new tab or lets you remain in the
> >> present one, in my case the list of search results.)

> > Shift/Adjust seems to be in use. Ctrl/Adjust seems unused.

> After posting that, I thot:  Adjust-doubleclick would be even nicer 
> (all with one hand), if such a thing is allowed in such a situation.

Adjust double click opens a child/subdirectory and closes the
parent/directory in one action.

D.

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Re: KYP West

[Dave Symes]

In article <562119693cbbai...@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian  wrote:
> In article ,
>Richard Porter  wrote:
> > On 22 Mar 2017 Tony Moore  wrote:

> > > On 22 Mar 2017, Brian  wrote:

> > >> This looks to a really interesting site

> > > URL?

> > > Tony

> > I would hazard a guess that it might be http://www.kypwest.org.uk/

> That's correct. Sorry, I fired the email off before I remembered that I
> had forgotten to include it.

I went, I looked...
And for balance, I didn't find the site interesting...

What's more, it didn't display very well in NetSurf.

D.

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Re: Failure to load

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Bryan Hogan  wrote:
> In message <61827.82.153.33.53.1471937563.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co 
> .uk>
>   Gerald Dodson  wrote:

> > When trying to shut down, NS seemed to just loop. I was unable to find
> > any way of gaining access to the Iyo 100 so switched of power.

> Too late for this time, but if this ever happens again remember that 
> you can press Alt-Break to just kill the currently hung task.

> Bryan.

Alt-Break is a PITA and here very rarely if ever works, most times it just
freezes RISC OS and can't be got out of without rebooting RISC OS.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Unicode font library could not be initialised

[Dave Symes]

In article <557cf33cbbd...@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <557ce86b3bd...@triffid.co.uk>,
>Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > RISC OS 6.20 running on RPCEmu 0.8.14 (Win 7 Pro 64bit)

> > A few days ago I was using Netsurf okay, but this morning it will not
> > run reporting the subject line...

> [Snip]

> Couldn't say what version as NS wouldn't run so I couldn't see...

> Just fathomed out (Thanks for the prompt Jeremy) which version of
> NetSurf I have installed.

> version 3433 Of March 2016.

> Dave

Okay, as no answer was forthcoming, I sorted the problem myself.

Now I suppose you want me to tell you...

After checking all the stuff required by NS was in Boot and in the
required places, I though what the  is going on...

Anyway to cut a longer story short, it was a bum Font, one that I'd
recently converted from TrueType using !TTF2f Version 0.04

All because I can not longer use !effTTT because it's tied to a now
failing SARPC by a deceased author.

If I was a really, really grumpy person, I would write a few more choice 
paragraphs, but I'm a pussy cat so i'll keep quiet and just chew my desk.

;-)

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Unicode font library could not be initialised

[Dave Symes]

In article <557ce86b3bd...@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> RISC OS 6.20 running on RPCEmu 0.8.14 (Win 7 Pro 64bit)

> A few days ago I was using Netsurf okay, but this morning it will not run
> reporting the subject line...

[Snip]

Couldn't say what version as NS wouldn't run so I couldn't see...

Just fathomed out (Thanks for the prompt Jeremy) which version of NetSurf
I have installed.

version 3433 Of March 2016.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Unicode font library could not be initialised

[Dave Symes]

RISC OS 6.20 running on RPCEmu 0.8.14 (Win 7 Pro 64bit)

A few days ago I was using Netsurf okay, but this morning it will not run
reporting the subject line...

>From Reporter:

07:24:49.98 [024346C8/] WimpSlot -min 7279k -max 7279k
07:24:49.98 [024346C8/] Run .!RunImage 
2>.WWW.NetSurf.Log
07:24:51.44 [Appl/] RMEnsure SharedUnixLibrary 1.07 RMLoad
System:Modules.SharedULib
07:24:51.44 [Appl/] RMEnsure SharedUnixLibrary 1.07 RMLoad
UnixLib:Modules.SharedULib
07:24:51.44 [Appl/] RMEnsure SharedUnixLibrary 1.07 Error XYZ
07:24:51.86 [Appl/5E803A44] Exec
07:25:05.44 TaskInit  &5E603A44 NetSurfKick  CAO  3A51004 Slot 64K 
07:25:05.45 TaskInit  &5E803A44 NetSurf  CAO 8000 Slot
7280K 
07:25:05.55 ** WimpError ** from NetSurf
  Error  : &0001
  Message: The Unicode font library could not be initialized. Please
report this to the developers.
07:25:05.55 [Appl/NetSurf] Exec
07:25:13.06 [Appl/NetSurf] FontRemove NetSurf:Resources.Fonts.
07:25:13.14 TaskClose &5E803A44 NetSurf
07:25:13.14 [WindowManager/] Exec

Please.
Any ideas what's going wrong and possible solution.

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: bad formatting of news page

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> What is it about the formatting of my local newspaper's web pages?

> Netsurf shows the main column of text so narrow that every line 
> requires horizontal scrolling.  Typical example:
> http://www.centralsomersetgazette.co.uk/Baily-s-costs-dream-revive-2-000-jobs-Morland-s/story-28054944-detail/story.html

> I find the least painful way to read the story is to save the whole 
> page as text and then read the textfile.

> Has the website programmer made some inept setting in the stylesheet 
> (CSS), or is Netsurf making some mistake or interpreting something too 
> literally?

> I presume browsers such as Firefox show what the designer intended.

It's interesting that Firefox 45.0.1 does display the the text okay, but
some of the site material down the Right hand side column is missing.

With both MS Internet Explorer and Google Chrome both the article and the
RH column material displays what appears to be correctly.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Feature Requests: Privacy Settings

[Dave Symes]

In article <5674d337.3020...@yahoo.com>,
   Luke  wrote:
> This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
> --cTNgUuIrTT65xck0HiQ4WDB9vUEpEX9Ku
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Hello,
> I recently discovered your browser, and think it may be a good
> replacement to Mozilla Firefox since they are bloating it and running it
> into the ground with DRM, uneeded features, and now blocking so-called
> unauthorized addons.

> Overall NetSurf seems like a good replacement, but it is missing some
> key features for user privacy. I will list the three most important
> below for your consideration:


> * Setting a Custom Useragent from Preferences

> * Cookie-Controller (Allow or Block session cookies per site)


> * Javascript Control (Similar to NoScript, or simply a whitelist of
> sites allowed to run JS while blacklisting all the rest)

> Other things which may or may not be relevant for later consideration:

> * Block DOM

> * Block WebRTC

> * Disable Fingerprinting

> Thank you.

To be unkind... Is the date April the First?  ;-)   <

But seriously... and I *do* use NetSurf for a few things...

While I agree with your Firefox sentiment, NetSurf is a long way off being
usable as an everyday browser.

Pale Moon a Firefox derivative is by far, a better solution for the
disgruntled current Firefox user needing a comprehensive browser.

It continues to be as Firefox was before Australis, and as such, is far
more user friendly.

Dave  
Who by the grace of the "Classic Theme Restorer" Addon can still use FX.

NB: For the time being the Unsigned Addon farce can be overcome by
changing a setting in "about:config"

"xpinstall.signatures.required"  set it to "false".


Dunno how long it'll be before that is ripped out, but ATM it does work.

D.

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Dave Triffid

Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Peter Young  wrote:
[Snippy]
> No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I 
> have no idea who wrote it.

Strange business, the AcornURI I have on my ROOL RISC OS 5.22 install says
it is 1.04  (May 2006)

Dave

RISC OS 6.20 is AcornURI 0.12

D.

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Dave Triffid

Re: BBC News

[Dave Symes]

In article 75868bac54.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 30 Mar 2015  Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

  According to http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-editors-32016166
  published by the BBC, on 23 March 2015

 Our new responsive design [of the BBC News website], which we've
 just launched for desktop computer, aims to make sure the site looks
 great whichever device or screen size you are on - mobile, tablet or
 desktop.

  However, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news , displayed by NetSurf #2655, on a
  RiscPC, seems to be a version for mobile, and looks far from 'great'.

  Do others see the same mess?

 Yes, a horrible mess! I think this may be the same problem as the one 
 I reported in the Malformed site thread, starting on 19 February, 
 2015, in that the mess I saw there is similar to the mess on the BBC 
 site. That was a CSS problem, and now happens 100% of the time.

 In the interests of product improvement, we reserve the right to foul 
 it up at any time.

 Best wishes,

 Peter.

It even looks toilet solids in Firefox.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: links no longer work

[Dave Symes]

In article 68164b5a54.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 Using RiscPC, RO 6.20, NS #2190, the links no longer work

 To see this, load a page, eg file:///NetSurf:/Resources/en/welcome.html
 and hover the pointer over a link. The pointer remains a select-arrow
 and doesn't change to hand-pointing, as it should. Clicking on the link
 does nothing, and the status bar remains blank.

 Moving the pointer around, shows that the active location for each link
 is displaced by about three lines above the link.

 Does anyone else see this bizarre problem?

 Tony

Tony, the answer is no.
SARPC RO 6.20 and NetSurf #2190

Here the links all produce the hand pointer, and clicking on a few of them
at random, they all work and produce the required pages.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: My wish: To be able to save just the HTML file

[Dave Symes]

In article 9da9214a54@abbeypress.net,
   Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:

 Which OS are you using, Vesa?

Dunno about the kit you are using Jim, but with Pluto, we can examine the
header of the posting and tell...  ;-)
That said, I do know about the kit you are using...

Here's what you are using... Messenger-Pro/7.06-wpb4 (MsgServe/7.06S)
(RISC-OS/5.18)

Vesa is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64;
rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0


We don't even need to examine the header, We can configure the Setups file
to automatically show the relevant header data.

Not being a user of RO MessPro I have no idea if it has any similar
configs.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Unacceptable Type

[Dave Symes]

In article 17bd023054.c...@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com,
   Christopher Dewhurst cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 Have just uploaded a .ZIP file and needed to test I have the right URL 
 to give out to people so I tried pointing to it with Netsurf (typing 
 in the full URL) but it's complaining Unacceptable Type.

 This doesn't seem to happen with other browsers/platforms (where said 
 Zipfile downloads OK).

 Have looked for documentation on this error but to no avail.

 Is it something I am doing wrong with Netsurf ?

 #2040 on Raspberry Pi RO 5.21

 thanks

Not much help in solving your problem, but FWIW.

Netsurf #2041 on RO 6.20 works correctly when pointed at .zip file URLs I
have.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: BBC web site

[Dave Symes]

In article 53c67d0b16d...@triffid.co.uk,
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]

 Having looked closer at her install I see it's quite  few versions
 back...

 I've now updated it to Dev CI #1602 and the problem has gone away.

 Sorry about that...  :-/

 Dave

Now moved on from the BBC...

Slight problem remains.
NS installed on VRPC running 4.39 (Her machine) and RPCEmu (My second)
running 6.20.

The #1602 downloaded and installed is the version with JS, but the NetSurf
Choices-Content Disable JavaScript will *not stay unticked*, even
though, in ...WWW.NetSurf.Choices is shows as enable_javascript:1

However on my real SARPC 6.20 same NetSurf it does honour the Choices
setting.

Any thoughts please?

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: BBC web site

[Dave Symes]

On 08 Jan, d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 In article 53c67d0b16d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 [Snippy]

  Having looked closer at her install I see it's quite  few versions
  back...

  I've now updated it to Dev CI #1602 and the problem has gone away.

  Sorry about that...  :-/

  Dave

 Now moved on from the BBC...

 Slight problem remains.
 NS installed on VRPC running 4.39 (Her machine) and RPCEmu (My second)
 running 6.20.

 The #1602 downloaded and installed is the version with JS, but the
 NetSurf Choices-Content Disable JavaScript will *not stay unticked*,
 even though, in ...WWW.NetSurf.Choices is shows as enable_javascript:1

 However on my real SARPC 6.20 same NetSurf it does honour the Choices
 setting.

 Any thoughts please?

 Thanks
 Dave

Sorry number 2.  :-/

5 minutes after posting the above, I had a lightbulb moment and the
problem is now solved.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[Dave Symes]

In article 0039c5d3.01dc65003...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

 I fixed mine in the choices file:
 sys_colour_Window:ff

 Peter

I find that a bit hard on my eyes, so use dd instead (Very light grey).

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Long URL annoyance

[Dave Symes]

In article 53286a1e80t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 9527682853.zen44...@zen.co.uk,
Simon Smith simon_sm...@zen.co.uk wrote:

  A fix which would mitigate matters is if the proportion of the lower
  scroll bar (or, even better, the absolute size in pixels) allocated to
  the horizontal scroll was configurable and/or persistent from window to
  window.

 It always has been.  Set the position you want, and from the window menu:

   Display  Save as default

  only for the new link to come up in a new window with the old 50%
  horizontal-scroll bar width

 I believe the default is 2/3 of the width to the status bar.

 Go to about:Choices, hit F4, type toolbar_status_size.  I have 66.67%:

   toolbar_status_size:6667

That's interesting, the default on my NetSurf install is 5000  or 50% and
I've never changed it. (Ever).

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist on RISCOS

[Dave Symes]

In article de43c10653.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 31 Dec 2012, Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

  I often have trouble re-arranging the Hotlist. In particular grouping
  items into a directory. At the moment I have a new directory into
  which I have been trying to place a number of items not currently in a
  directory.

 Drag the selected items to the _lower_ half of the directory icon.

 Tony

And you'll be lucky if you hit the spot (Once in a blue moon).
The receptive bit for the DD must be about one or two pixels in size, and
don't ever bother if the Directory is at the bottom of the window, you'll
never get it in.

Yes I know, drag it (Directory) up the window...

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: BBC news site misbehaving.

[Dave Symes]

In article 8b63d0f552.c.n@virgin.net,
   ChrisF c.n@virgin.net wrote:
 In message 50839.81.147.79.162.1354120626.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.c 
 o.uk
   Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote:


  I do not know of !Ticker - will google it - but what does it do and is
  it IYO friendly?

 I run it (v 25.11.11)on the Iyo 5.16 and the Armini.
 It's a news ticker which runs across the screen. You can place it at 
 the top or bottom. You can choose your newsfeed from within its 
 choices. Sorry, I don't know the source.

It can be found at...
http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/software/3party.html

D.

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Dave Triffid

Re: Text box edit

[Dave Symes]

On 28 Oct, d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 In article 82b068e552.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk,
Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
  In message 52e565c99ed...@triffid.co.uk
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 [Snippy]

  Not seen it with Firefox.
  
   Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online
   with NS?
  
  The mini statement doesn't do anything, never used that, but clicking
  on the account gives a full transaction list, which is what I use. The
  View latest statement also works.  I can pay bills OK as well.

   Dave
  
  Looks like I don't expect as much as you. ;-)

  TTFN

 That's interesting...
 Being weekend, I have some ibanking to do, so I'll have another session
 with NS rather than Fx and see.
 Maybe LTSB have been fiddling with the site again. ;-)

 Dave

Okay, obviously done the things I need, so haven't been through everything
on the LTSB ibank pages.

From the Accounts page, no mini statement, which also means NO full
statement.
In which case you have to open each individual account and get the
statement from there.

Transfers.
Using NS you don't get the information, such as Money available which
you do get using Fx as part of the process.

Finally, granted a computer thing rather than script... But just for the
fun...

She using NS and a SARPC started loggin in the LTSB at the same time as I
started using Fx 16.02 on the laptop.

Me, logged in done a couple of transactions and logged out.
She, still only partway through the login process.

D.

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Dave Triffid

Re: Text box edit

[Dave Symes]

In article 52e55560eerh.li...@phone.coop,
   Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:
[Snippy]
 The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported
 browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK)
 (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to
 Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen),
 Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required).

 I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of
 reasons, not necessarily scripting.

LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell.

A short while back we could still do some stuff on the LTSB, but since
they re-worked it we can't even view our online statements.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Text box edit

[Dave Symes]

In article 88595ae552.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk,
   Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]
 It is working as normal here. Just checked my accounts and made a
 transfer. (NS #529 RO 6.3)

 Must be something funny at your end Dave.

I didn't say everything...

Yes you can still do a transfer, but you don't get the info onscreen about
the transfer in the detail you get with Fx.

Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online with NS?

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Text box edit

[Dave Symes]

In article d0f8e5e452.r...@user.minijem.plus.com,
   Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:
[Snippy]
 That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a 
 problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the 
 option of trying another browser.
 -- 
 Richard Porter   

Yes my wife who uses NetSurf a lot does that, compose in Edit, then copies
to the text area.

Can't be bothered myself, so I use Fx (16.02 ATM) and if it fails, an
addon called Lazarus returns the writing to me.

FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the
final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a
short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do
much there other than view the site.

Shame, but practicalities rule.

D.

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Dave Triffid

Changes at QVC

[Dave Symes]

Oh dear,
Fay is not a happy person at the moment, apparently QVC have re-designed
their front page, and as she uses NetSurf (r13571) to view the stuff,
suddenly she can't see menus and such like that a couple of days ago she
could.

I have to assume it's something to do with more javascript, but way
outside my paygrade so to speak.

Could someone with knowledge please have a quick look at...
http://www.qvcuk.com

It's mainly the menus down the lefthand side.

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Changes at QVC

[Dave Symes]

In article 0769efd452.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 25 Sep 2012  Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  Oh dear, Fay is not a happy person at the moment, apparently QVC have
  re-designed their front page, and as she uses NetSurf (r13571) to view
  the stuff, suddenly she can't see menus and such like that a couple of
  days ago she could.

  I have to assume it's something to do with more javascript, but way
  outside my paygrade so to speak.

  Could someone with knowledge please have a quick look at...
  http://www.qvcuk.com

  It's mainly the menus down the lefthand side.

 I don't have knowledge, but in so far as my knowledge goes, I've done 
 a bit of furkling. Here, the menus on the left show briefly on 
 loading, but are then overwritten by a blank pane. Looking at the 
 source, (F8) it seems to teem with JavaScript indeed; StrongED reports 
 79 hits on 49 lines. I also looked on their FAQ page, on which is:

 quote

 To enjoy most of our content your browser must also be set to the 
 following options:

 JavaScript enabled
 ActiveX enabled (Internet Explorer only)
 Pop-ups allowed from www.qvcuk.com

 unquote

[Snippy]

 With best wishes,

 Peter.

At the moment I've got her to use the status bar... That is slowly scroll
the mouse pointer down where the menu should display, looking carefully at
the status bar on the bottom of the NS window, as the pointer scrolls
down, the links are shown and she can double click 'em.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article e16beea752.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   Nick Roberts tig...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:

[Snippy]

 Check the preferences - General group, 'Add URLs to main book'.

 If this is ticked, BookMaker will put add any new URLs at the botton of
 the hotlist.

 If it isn't, adding a URL will put up a menu of folders to choose from.

It is not ticked, no Menu of folders arrives, and the URL is added to the
main book.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a75401a9stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   lists stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 In article 52a7433e91d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
   I use !Bookmaker, works fine.

  Thank you Stuart.

  She doesn't.

 Sorry, should have been more clear. My suggestion is to use !BookMaker.

 With !BookMaker running and boxes created, when I click Add to hotlist,
 I get a list of the boxes in !BookMaker I can choose to add to.

We used to use Bookmaker a lot, but we stopped using Bookmaker because it
didn't interface with NetSurf.

I see it now can, but it doesn't appear to interface very well as when I
Add to Hotlist I don't get a choice of what directory it goes in, it just
puts it in the default place.

Anyway, it appears She's sorted and has no intention of doing anything other.


Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a7909659stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   lists stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 In article 52a78e014dd...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
  I see it now can, but it doesn't appear to interface very well as when
  I Add to Hotlist I don't get a choice of what directory it goes in, it
  just puts it in the default place.

 I do here, have you got the latest version - 2.15

Yes.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

Fay wants to know something about the NS hotlist, so If the answer is
known, I appreciate the solution.

She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
get anything to go into those directories.

No point in asking me... Which is why I'm asking here.

How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
directories?

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article b1ae0ea752.br...@bhowlett.plus.net,
   Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:
 On 28 Jun, Dave Symes wrote:

  Fay wants to know something about the NS hotlist, so If the answer is
  known, I appreciate the solution.

  She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
  Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
  get anything to go into those directories.

  No point in asking me... Which is why I'm asking here.

  How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
  directories?

  Thanks

 Drag 'n' drop seems to work...

It didn't for her.

Then I had a lightbulb moment.
The particular director was at the very bottom of the list, so she could
get anything she grabbed to actually drag over it... It wouldn't go down
to the bottom of the list.

So I got her to create another directory below that one and lo and behold,
she can now drag stuff into that required directory.

Of course she still can't drag anything to the newley created very bottom
directory.

This set me thinking... If she drags that bottom (Newley created
directory) up a few places, it can now be accessed.

There is something dodgy happening (Bug).

The version she is using...  Dev (23 March 2012 R13571) 

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 62f511a752.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 28 Jun 2012, Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:
  On 28 Jun, Dave Symes wrote:

 [snip]

   How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
   directories?
 
  Drag 'n' drop seems to work...

 You need to drop the selection on the _lower+ half of a directory icon,
 otherwise the selection is moved to the space above the directory.

 Tony

Sorry chaps, that's not the problem.
See my last posting, but to sumarise...

She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list where the directory
resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of the icon.

By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it becomes
reachable.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a711c566t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
  directories?

 From the user guide:

   As with filer windows, selections can be made by dragging selection
   boxes and adjust clicking can be used to add or remove items from the
   selection. Selections can then be dragged and dropped within the
   hotlist management window to move them around. It is possible to drop
   a selection into a closed directory by releasing it over the bottom
   half of the target directory. Dropping the selection over the top half
   of a directory or address will insert the selection above that item.
   Finally, dropping a selection over the lower half of an address will
   move it below the address.

   -- http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide#Hotlist

Indeed, thanks

Problem is... She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list where the
directory resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of the icon.

By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it becomes
reachable.

Dave

FWIW. I've tried this on my install of NS with the same result.

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a716f93astuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   lists stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 In article 52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
  She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
  Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
  get anything to go into those directories.

 I use !Bookmaker, works fine.

Thank you Stuart.

She doesn't.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Digest mode

[Dave Symes]

In article
8d001425ead6b919cdaeed0ce55f3f6b-EhVcX1lFRQVaRwYcDTpQCEFddQZLVF5dQUNBAjBbXkNGV10MQV13B0tTWzBeQkYBX1tcRlFV-webmailer2@s,
   m0n0 o...@monochrom.net wrote:
  Am Donnerstag, den 29.03.2012, 11:55 +0200 schrieb george greenfield 
  george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk:

  I too prefer individual messages, for same reasons as Richard states.
  I tend to ignore the digest, TBH.


  Sorry, I don't understand.
  Digest mode can be selected by the user, right? So if you don't enable 
  it, you won't get
  it. How can you ignore something which isn't there?

  Greets,
  m

Trouble is, a lot of folks are very bad at snipping, so when they reply to
a digest version, we none digest receivers can a get a bucket load of sh
one tee as well.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save

[Dave Symes]

In article 796c566b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:
 On 4 Mar 2012, cj  wrote:
  In article ef56486b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
 Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:

  http://www.bsbimaps.org.uk/atlas/main.php

  Then wait for the page to come up, press menu, and Save SaveAs and
  drag it to a disc

  Are you using 'Save' or 'Full save'? In either case I can save
  multiple pages - changing the leafname since the default is always
  the same. You will need to give a bit more info on exactly how you
  are doing things.

 Save only, not full save. There is no 'Full Save' in the Save SaveAs 
 bit...

 I change the leaf-name in the Save dialog box. It doesn't crash until 
 I drag and drop the save icon onto an open directory.

  I am on Iyonix RISC OS 5.18 and Netsurf r13502

Why don't you just right click on the Netsurf toolbar floppy disk icon?

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Netsurf Running Out of Memory

[Dave Symes]

In article 1325633409.3667.8.camel@duiker,
   John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-01-02 at 18:08 +, Dave Symes wrote:

  Does Netsurf log any private details, like accounts numbers and
  passwords?

 Not deliberately. If in doubt, search the log file for likely things.
 Alternatively, if the log file contains anything like Harriet quoted,
 there's no need to send it to me, as the issue is likely fixed in
 r13365.

 John-Mark.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind...

Just downloaded and installed r13373 (03 Jan 23:45) and had a run around
the LTSB bank site and it appears the problem is indeed sorted.

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Netsurf Running Out of Memory

[Dave Symes]

In article d9b3324a52.brianfer...@brferris.orpheusmail.co.uk,
   Brian brfer...@orpheusmail.co.uk wrote:
 Hello
 Using Netsurf r 13320 and only accessing one website today I had a 
 dialogue box from Netsurf saying it was running out of memory.

 I went to the online page at Bank of Scotland: 
 https://online.bankofscotland.co.uk/personal/logon/login.jsp

 It does then go to a mobile site version which works fine with Netsurf 
 or you can go back to the desktop site.

 Immediately, a Cookie confirmation box comes up which is fine,but this 
 happens everytime.After you accept it, the hard drive is being 
 accessed continuously, then after one ot two clicks on the webpage it 
 reports that memory is running out.

 Regards.
 Brian

How interesting Brian, I was about to write up a note and post it when
your posting arrived... 
We had the very same problem with LloydsTSB a few day ago, so we updated
to version r13351 (27 Dec 2011) but the  memory problem persists.
That's on SARPCs one with Select 4.39 and this one with 6.20.

Anyone else had the return of this old problem?

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Netsurf Running Out of Memory

[Dave Symes]

On 31 Dec, d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]
 How interesting Brian, I was about to write up a note and post it when
 your posting arrived... 
 We had the very same problem with LloydsTSB a few day ago, so we updated
 to version r13351 (27 Dec 2011) but the  memory problem persists.
 That's on SARPCs one with Select 4.39 and this one with 6.20.

 Anyone else had the return of this old problem?

 Dave

Should have mentioned, I still have the log fron a LTSB visit earlier
today.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Bank of Scotlan/Halifax

[Dave Symes]

In article 105d7b1d52.brianfer...@brferris.orpheusmail.co.uk,
   Brian brfer...@orpheusmail.co.uk wrote:
 Hi
 Oops, originally wrote this email/post via my mobile phone and the 
 outcome is all gobbled???
 So will post again via computer.
 Basically up until recently accessing the Halifax/Bank of Scotland was 
 not at all accessible via Netsurf.Then only a couple of weeks ago 
 since they had a revamp of the site the whole thing was totally 
 useable with Netsurf, which was great.
 However, today have found that after logging in on the second stage 
 the continue button has disappeared, thus cannot progress beyond that.
 A real shame.

 Regards.
 Brian

Brian, if you hover your mouse pointer roughtly where it used to be, quite
often it will turn into a pointing hand, and that's where it's hiding, if
you do find it, even though it's hidden, click, and of you'll go.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: NetSurf and LTSB

[Dave Symes]

In article 521d97f31ej...@jaharrison.me.uk,
   John Harrison j...@jaharrison.me.uk wrote:

  I guess no one else uses NS with LTSB, as this AM (Monday) still
  unusable

 I only just picked up this thread, so not sure what has been said so far.

 I have always used NetSurf with LTSB, and found it OK.  I haven't logged
 on for a while though, since my wife normally checks the account from
 her Macbook.

 I just logged on to see whether there was a problem, and I obviously
 haven't done so since they 'improved' it a few months ago, since it is
 now pretty unhelpful.

 Regards

They, LTSB changed something in recent times, whereby the old URL I've
been using for many years took me to a login page for mobile access.

Anyhow, Geoff Baxendale had the answer, and I've now changed my login URL
to the new one, and all is well.

I've sent you the full URL privately.

Cheers
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: NetSurf and LTSB

[Dave Symes]

In article 1195071d52.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk,
   Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

[Snip]

 Hi Dave,

 Is it giving you the mobile site? I have just used it and that is what
 it did. Previously my saved login page was for the mobile site but after
 entering the password the rest was as normal. I have been away so my
 version of NS is r12793. Haven't tried the latest release.

 (To get to the desktop site click that link.)

Thanks Geoff, that did the trick.

I've just been clickin the same button I've been using on the first login
page for years, now suddenly the (Illegitimates) change it for mobiles.

Anyway, sorted now.
Dave

I really can't see why any sane person would want to use a mobile phone to
do anything network related.
I have a Smartphone that's got more whistles and bells than the command
deck of the USS Enterprise, but after trying out all this wb stuff when I
first got it, I've given up, the tedium of waiting for web pages to
display on a mobile phone is worse than waiting for paint to dry.

Now I just use it for (Shock horror) phoning, texts and MMS, the rest is
just a waste of my life.

Ooer! went of on one there... ;-)

D.

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Dave Triffid

Re: NetSurf and LTSB

[Dave Symes]

On 02 Oct, d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 Anyone else here using NS to work their LTSB online banking?

 Using a slighty older version and now, r12913 29th Sept, LTSB online
 banking is now unusable here.
 Login and Memorable info can still be done, but thereafter only a small
 section of the stuff is available.

 Account Overview, very strangely displayed and Mini statements, again
 very strangely displayed, but nothing else is visible.

 Anyone else finding this the case?

 Dave

 FWIW. Works perfectly okay on PC Firefox.
 JavaScript again I guess...

I guess no one else uses NS with LTSB, as this AM (Monday) still unusable.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

NetSurf and LTSB

[Dave Symes]

Anyone else here using NS to work their LTSB online banking?

Using a slighty older version and now, r12913 29th Sept, LTSB online
banking is now unusable here.
Login and Memorable info can still be done, but thereafter only a small
section of the stuff is available.

Account Overview, very strangely displayed and Mini statements, again very
strangely displayed, but nothing else is visible.

Anyone else finding this the case?

Dave

FWIW. Works perfectly okay on PC Firefox.
JavaScript again I guess...

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Dave Triffid

Re: visited link made visible

[Dave Symes]

In article 15cf780f52@nails.abbeypress.net,
   Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:
 lists  wrote on 8 Sep:
  Well, speed is far more important to me.

 i'd have to agree with that.

 so on the occasional occasions when visited-link-visible is really 
 useful to me, i can always load up Fresco or try Dave Triffid's trick 
 with Firefox.

 thanks for the explification, John.

Jim, a fella on the Firefox Newsgroup suggested the add-on NoSquint
2.1.2 which I've just installed and yes among all the things it does, it
does indeedy reliably set the URL and visited URL colours.

Not had chance to test it proper like, as I must get back to work.
Dave

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Dave Triffid

visited link made visible

[Dave Symes]

In article 34eb3e0f52@nails.abbeypress.net,
   Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]
 Actually I noticed first on Netsurf and then tried XP Firefox.  The
 visited link feature is lacking on both.  Tuesday's particular
 search made me wish for the feature:  I wanted to compare the many
 various results, and it would have helped to know which ones i had
 already looked at (especially after refining the search criteria).

It does work in Firefox, but with all the quick updates...ATM it's a bit
dodgy... But you can tweak it.

Menubar - Tools - Options. Content Tab.

Open the Fonts  Colors Colors button and have a play.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: setting size and position of window

[Dave Symes]

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 02:04:12AM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
  can anybody suggest a trick whereby i could make a Netsurf window open 
  at a certain size and position on screen, to display a local file?

Isn't that what Netsurf does with...
Make the NS window the size you want it, move it to the position you want
it, then do...
Menu  Display  Window Set as default position.

Obviously my hand is now smelly and brown as I usually get hold of the
wrong end of the stick.  ;-)

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: iGoogle not displaying?

[Dave Symes]

In article 51b96f647crh.li...@phone.coop,
   Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:
 In article mpro.lilry03ap0068.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

  make sure you have the latest version of your browser
  indeed!! The latest mainstream browsers are Safari 5,
  Firefox 4 and IE9.

 This is not really on topic, and I do not use Safari, and
 only very rarely IE.

 My version of Firefox is 3.6.16, to which it was updated by
 the autoupdater two nights ago, so I would have thought it
 perfectly correct to say that Firefox 3.x is the latest
 version. I have heard of rumours of Ver 4 - but that,
 presumably, is a development version only and not something
 that should be quoted to the general user as 'the latest',
 surely? (I also one heard a reference to a horrible new user
 interface...).

Rumours? of a version 4, keep up that man at the back, Beta 4 versions
have been out and about for ages... Well I've had them on my machines for
what seems like ages. ;-)

Version 4 RC was released last weekend(ish), followed by it being uprated
to the V4 official release at the beginning of the week.

Yes it is a bit different in the default state, but it can easily be
reconfigured back to a 3.nn like appearance.

I dislike the Tabs on top, so I have them switched back in the correct
place (As they were before).

Menu bar is still available if you should want it, and so on.

There are a few other minor UI changes...
Bottom line is it's still Firefox, albeit a bit difference in appearance,
but then Firefox 3 is somewhat different in appearance to early FireFox
version.

I still have both 3.6.16 and 4.0 installed because some addons have not
yet been updated for Ff 4.

And I often use them both at the same time.

 And what about Opera?

She is very good at interviews... ;-)

 What does amaze me, looking at my web servers logs, is the
 number of people still using IE5 and IE6 and Safari 3 + 4,
 as well as all the countless versions of Firefox 3.x.yy

As I understand it, this is mostly due to the Dumbass users, computer
arrives with IE whatever installed, and that's how it stays, mostly as
time passes, they don't know or care that newer versions are available, or
that Firefox, Opera, Shiny thing... exist.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: r11929 not downloading properly

[Dave Symes]

In article 617831b151.r...@user.minijem.plus.com,
   Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:
 On 9 Mar 2011 Dave Symes  wrote:

  If only things were that simple... On this Select RO machine there are
  three MimeMap text files, now I wonder which one is being used?

  ...!Boot.Choices.Default.Internet.Files.MimeMap***
  ...!Boot.Choices.Hardware.Disabled.Internet.Files.MimeMap
  ...!Boot.Choices.Users.Single.Internet.Files.MimeMap

 Configure  Network  MimeMap  will open the right one.

Uppity mode
It would have been preferred if you had not snipped the important line.

*Show Inet$MimeMappings this will identify the one being used.

Thank you.
D.

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Dave Triffid

r11929 not downloading properly

[Dave Symes]

In article 381c18b151.zen44...@zen.co.uk,
   Simon Smith simon_sm...@zen.co.uk wrote:
 In message 51b10f8d4cbbai...@argonet.co.uk
   Brian Bailey bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

  The above version now downloads latest test build as file format A91
  not Archive/zip (ddc) file which won't open.

 a91 is the custom filetype for ZIP, isn't it?

 Have you updated or altered your mimemap settings recently? Tim Hill
 made a new version available a few days ago.

[Snip]

If only things were that simple...
On this Select RO machine there are three MimeMap text files, now I wonder
which one is being used?

...!Boot.Choices.Default.Internet.Files.MimeMap***
...!Boot.Choices.Hardware.Disabled.Internet.Files.MimeMap
...!Boot.Choices.Users.Single.Internet.Files.MimeMap

From CLI or Ctrl F12 do:

*Show Inet$MimeMappings this will identify the one being used.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Editing hotlist entries

[Dave Symes]

In article 5187852643t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 51855ae3d5d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  I guess my question is quite trivial... The colour.

 At the moment you can't change it.  It was changed when I intended to
 revamp the entire look of treeviews anyway, and someone said they
 couldn't see the white icons on white recently.  I've not got round to
 changing the treeview style because I got mired in improving the
 existing code first.

 There's the mockup for how treeviews might look:

 http://www.netsurf-browser.org/temp/treeview/

 It uses NetSurf blue livery much like directory listings for file: URLs.

I mentioned it because someone here is sight compromised and there isn't
enough contrast between the text and the background.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

NetSurf and LTSB

[Dave Symes]

I see the activation button in the LloydsTSB Memorable info entry page has
vanished again when used in NS.

For those among us who use LTSB, the link is still there but it is
invisible.

Move the mouse pointer a tiny bit above and along the green bottom outline
line towards the right hand end while watching the status bar (Bottom of
NS window) and you'll see when you've found it, click as per usual on it,
and Bob's yer...

Dave
   |
   |
   *   |
---^---|
 Green outline

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Dave Triffid

Re: Lloyds banking login problem

[Dave Symes]

In article d1bf966451.j...@itworkshop.invalid,
   Jess Hampshire jesshampsh...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hi

 Has anyone else noticed a problem with the new Lloyds Internet 
 Banking.

 I am unable to log in.

 The memorable information screen has no continue button.

 (It does not appear to be a javascript problem, because it works with 
 noscript on firefox)

No problem here using NetSurf r10796 the [Continue] button displays and
works.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

A what is

[Dave Symes]

Good Morning Alan,
I hope you are in good spirits.
I have a question, and I'm hoping you might have an answer.

In a road near us there's a Church, Life and Advent Church it has been
there as long as I've lived here in Bournemouth, and I still have no idea
what sort/denomination of faith it might be.

I've pootled around the net a bit, but cannot seem to find anything
specific to that name.

Do you have any idea?

Thanks
Dave

PS: There's a vague possibility I've asked you this same question in the
past, but my medicated memory is not holding info very well.

D.   :-/

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Dave Triffid

Re: A what is

[Dave Symes]

In article 9b404a5e51.a...@ntlworld.com,
   Dr Alan Leighton alan.leight...@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Snip]

 What are we doing on this line?

 Alan

I thought I immediately send a Sorry about my boo boo earlier today.

Accidentally posted to a list rather than you personally.

So lets stop now and take it back to private.
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: LloydsTSB

[Dave Symes]

In article 6abc0a5551.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk,
   Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
 In message 6069805451.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk
   Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

 
  Hi,
 
  LloydsTSB have improved  their site and I am now having difficulty
  logging in.  It took three goes the other day but this morning I
  can't get in at all. Keeps coming up with a technical error. Anybody
  else having trouble or is it just me?
 
  TTFN
 Looks as if no one else is using TSB with Netsurf. :-(

We do here.

 Update; Yesterday's problems were at their end. :-)

Indeedy, site works were ongoing, so there wasn't much point in replying...

 I tried to log on today and got as far as entering my memorable
 information but their was no continue button. Had a look at the
 source but I don't understand CSS so couldn't see what was going on.  It
 worked OK on Windows/Firefox (surprise!) but the faster payment thing
 didn't work. Phoned their help line to be told Had problems yesterday
 and faster payment is down today. Weren't too interested in helping
 once I mentioned RiscOS/Netsurf, but the girl suggested updating the
 browser. I was a couple of weeks behind so tried that, and blow me the
 continue button appeared and everthing worked. :-)

 Lets hope it stays that way.

 And thanks to all you guys for your continuing updates.

 TTFN

It all seems to be okay today.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Strange graphic doodad

[Dave Symes]

Need some advice please as I can't fathom it.

Using Netsurf r10721 (29 Aug 2010).

If you click this URL a snippet of Web page will display.

http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/index.htm

To the left of the Captain and Admiral the word News present.

This is in fact a small graphic, which in other browsers, like Oregano,
Fresco and on a PC FireFox displays correctly.

Download the snippet and display it locally in Netsurf, the graphic will
display.

http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/bitof.zip

Any thoughts why NS is not displaying this graphic while it display the
others?

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Strange graphic doodad

[Dave Symes]

In article 5153009662t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 5152ff4ac7d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/index.htm

  To the left of the Captain and Admiral the word News present.

  This is in fact a small graphic, which in other browsers, like Oregano,
  Fresco and on a PC FireFox displays correctly.

 The file's address is http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/newn.gif

 It's a JPEG but the server is telling us it's a GIF because the file has
 a .gif extension.  So NetSurf is giving the JPEG data to its GIF
 handler, which fails to decode it and the alternate text is shown
 instead.

Thanks,
You are so right.
The original was a gif and I shoved it in Paint to modify it and obviously
made a CU when I exported it.

Silly me, but not the first time that's been done...

Cheers
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Strange graphic doodad

[Dave Symes]

In article 5153000223joh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:
 In article 5152ff4ac7d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  Any thoughts why NS is not displaying this graphic while it display the
  others?

 It's a JPEG but called 'newn.gif'.  Could this be the problem?

 John

Indeedy a CU on my part when I modified the original and exported it from
Paint.

Thanks for the prompt.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Strange graphic doodad

[Dave Symes]

In article 2879065351.r...@user.minijem.plus.com,
   Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:
[Snippy]
 Why am I getting Not found for all of these links?

Well Richard, when I got back from a job, both Michael Drake and John
Williams has given me the lightbulb moment, so there didn't seem any point
in leaving the stuff up, so I posted my thanks to them both, and then
removed the files.

There wasn't much to see...  ;-)

But if you are really really interested, I could post you the archive,
that's the only place now where the CU Jpeg/Gif is.  :-/

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Strange graphic doodad

[Dave Symes]

In article 515307cdadbrian.jord...@btinternet.com,
   Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:
 In article 2879065351.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter
 r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

 [Snip]

  Why am I getting Not found for all of these links?

 Presumably having fixed the problem Dave has removed the files.

Indeedy, didn't seem much point in leaving 'em up after the CU was
illuminated for me.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Shortcut to Save Location as ANT URL?

[Dave Symes]

In article 4b9fa74251...@rickman.argonet.co.uk,
   rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]
 On Adjust 4.42 (A9) and Select 6.10 (Risc PC) I cannot drag the URL.
 What happens is that the URL is highlighted and there is no Save box.

 John

As I said in my previous posting it does work with RO 6.20.

Try pressing the Shift key and holding it down, then Click and hold over
the *http* bit of the URL in the bar, a blank icon will appear, still
holding Shift, drag it to where-ever...

I do this a lot when I want to get a URL from the bar into a document I'm
writing.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Shortcut to Save Location as ANT URL?

[Dave Symes]

In article 5e32b14251...@rickman.argonet.co.uk,
   rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

  Why not just Shift-drag from the URL field?

  It is a very useful facility - pity it only works on RISC OS 5.

  So much misinformation in this thread.
  It does work on RO 6.20 and previous Select versions.

 Ok - I have now got shift-drag to work on 6.10 - this will save file 
 with type URL.

 What does not work on 6.10 is drag without shift. On the Iyonix this 
 saves a file with type Text.

 John

Try Ctrl - Drag.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Easy Font Pro says Netsurf attempting to change Font$Path

[Dave Symes]

In article 24c61c3f51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:

 I am new to Easy Font Pro, so it may just be a setting in that that I 
 need to alter.

 I ave EFP run at boot up.
 Now whenever I run Netsurf, Easy Font Pro issues an error to the 
 effect that it has detected that Netsurf wants to change the 
 Font$path, and do I want to let it.

 Whichever way I answer, the next time I run Netsurf, I get asked the 
 same question. Anyone know where and what I should change somewhere?
 I only ask here because it seems to be a specific to Netsurf. OvPro 
 doesn't do this when run.

Roger, I'm sure there's an Icon bar menu option something to do with
this...

Remove Folder where you enter the path to netsurf to catch the error or
some such.

Sorry I don't have the EFP manual to hand, and for reasons stated in the
private email recently, Fog prevents me remembering the detail.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: NetSurf and Printing

[Dave Symes]

In article de2c543751.acl...@tiscali.co.uk,
   george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 In message 51371061e7d...@triffid.co.uk
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

[Snip]

  
  Excellent news Steve.
  Tried it on a couple of web pages, so far no crash out.
  
  Thanks, and well done that man.
  
  Dave
  
 Tried printing out a couple of pages using r10640 under RO5.16: failed 
 each time with error message 'An error occurred when printing: redraw 
 error', with option to click Continue. The good news: the error didn't 
 take NetSurf down, i.e., Continue worked.

 George

Thought it would have been obvious from the header of my posting, after
the recent RO 5.nn posting, thought I'd better mention.

SARPC running RO 6.20

NetSurf still printed okay.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: NetSurf and Printing

[Dave Symes]

In article mpro.l5kmdm05tx86o027u.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk,
   Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote:
 On 30 Apr, Steve Fryatt wrote in message
 mpro.l1ph4n06o4rf401yx.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk:

  On 30 Apr, Dave Symes wrote in message
  511035e204d...@triffid.co.uk:
  
   In article mpro.l1pale02xmifk01yx.li...@stevefryatt.org.uk,
  Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote:
  
I can certainly reproduce it here; is anyone filing a bug report?
   
   I've just tried NS of 30 April 2010 r10528 with Printers 1.64a and no
   change. NS prints then errors out.
  
  Indeed.  The problem is still there.

 If anyone is still following this problem (a crash after printing on
 RO6), there's a chance that r10640 might resolve it.

Excellent news Steve.
Tried it on a couple of web pages, so far no crash out.

Thanks, and well done that man.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: test builds after 2.5

[Dave Symes]

In article 5119729ccbrh.li...@phone.coop,
   Russell Hafter - Lists rh.li...@phone.coop wrote:
 In article
 20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net,
Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  Where did the developers say this?  I don't remember any
  of us every saying this.  Just that it was likely if
  somebody didn't come in and help with the RISC OS front
  end.

  Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it
  until we say it.

 I have lost count of the number of times that Rob has had to
 make this point, in various different places.

 It would be nice to think that people actually *read* these
 postings.

 :-)

Probably part of the same syndome that causes people to not see the words
written, but some invisible ones that present among the lines one has
actually written.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Amusing logic

[Dave Symes]

Hi Alan,
The below pasted in was sent to me over the weekend, and while it is not
hahahahah, is is amusing logic.

Dave


The following is a bonus question given on a University of 
Arizona chemistry mid-term, and an actual answer turned in by a student. 
The answer by one student was so 'profound' that the professor shared it 
with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have 
the pleasure of enjoying it as well:


Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic 
(absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using 
Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) 
or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we 
need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate 
at which they are leaving, which is unlikely. I think that we can safely 
assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no 
souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look 
at the different religions that exist in the world today.
Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their 
religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these 
religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we 
can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as 
they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase 
exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell 
because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and 
pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand 
proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls 
enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase 
until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in 
Hell, so then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes 
over.
So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year 
that, 'It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you,' and take 
into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two 
must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already 
frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen 
over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is 
therefore, extinctleaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence 
of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting 
'Oh my God.'

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Dave Triffid

Re: NetSurf and Printing

[Dave Symes]

In article 5110255c73brian.jord...@btinternet.com,
   Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:
 In article 02fc231051.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young
 pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
  On 30 Apr 2010  Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

   Has anyone else had problems printing from the recent releases of
   NetSurf, up to and including todays 30 April r10528?

 [Snip details]

  Just printed a simple page from r10528 without problems. Printers 1.74
  with the new PS3 driver, network-connected via RemotePrinterFS to a
  Xerox Phaser 6120, FWIW. Haven't tried anything more complex.

 Whereas I am seeing the same as DS. Interestingly (maybe?) You have RISC
 OS 5.16, presumably on an Iyonx, DS and I have RISC OS 6.20 [1].
 Coincidence?

 [1] OS versions versions extracted from email headers so unless your
 systems are spoofing I guess this is correct.

Okay now I have someone else... some more detail.
SARPC. Select RO 6.20  Printers 1.91a
Using the RO HPLJ PDF the same one I've been using for years, the same one 
that works with the Jan NetSurf...

Doesn't matter if the web page is very small/simple or larger, all recent
versions of NS crash out after printing.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: RISC OS autobuilder re-enabled

[Dave Symes]

In article 5109526ca3t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 Please test the latest build available from

 http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/riscos/testbuilds

 The major change is a rewritten and more flexible cache system. It
 enables us to make the most of the improvements brought about by libcss,
 as well as reducing unnecessary fetches.

 Please report any issues you find.

 I'd like to hear from users of NetSurf and WebJames on the same machine.
 The old deadlocking issue should be fixed, so please let us know if
 things are now working as they should.

 Best regards,

I'm now getting a small problem that I didn't get with previous versions,
the last good one being r9799 9th Jan 2010.

Now with the latest versions (r10422 17 April 2010) and (r10431 18 April
2010) my default html start page opens as a text file in the browser when
I click on the icon bar icon, not as the Html file that it is.

Double click the file itself and it opens okay.


Reverting to r9799 and it again displays okay.

I have no idea why, what, how.
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: RISC OS autobuilder re-enabled

[Dave Symes]

In article 510a0e4a4dt...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 510a0b9091sjcl...@ormail.co.uk,
Steve Clark sjcl...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

  I have the same problem.  I've put in an bug report.

 Thanks, I see in the screenshot that the URL starts with file:/, please
 try changing it to file:///.  Does that fix it?

 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_URI_scheme for more info on the
 form of file: URLs.

 Best regards,

That does indeedy work.

Thanks
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: cutpaste oddity

[Dave Symes]

In article adb0c60151@nails.ukonline.co.uk,
   Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:
 Brian Howlett  wrote on 2 Apr:
  Are you using Clipboard or IcnClipBrd?

 *modules and *rommodules turns up only ClipboardHolder 0.15 (on rom).

I'm on Select RO 6.20 ClipboardHolder 0.17 and I can't Ctrl-C out of Imp
Publisher in to Netsurf either.

Nor can I do it with Ovation Pro.

However, my get around is this...

In Publisher, select the bit of text that's the URL.
Menu-File-Save selected text (Ctrl-F3) As Text without styles etc Drag the
Save Icon to the NetSurf URL bar.
Robert is your ...

Similar with Ovation Pro.
Menu-File-Save Selection as text, drag to URL bar.

Hope that helps
Dave

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Dave Triffid

NetSurf still gobbling memory

[Dave Symes]

I was using a NetSurf of a few days old, and discovered it's still
gobbling all the machine spare RAM, all 55 Mbytes of it.
Downloaded latest availiable... r9660 (03 Nov 2009) and it's still playing
gobble gobble with all the RAM.

Is this problem resolvable... It seems to have been going for a long time
now?

Dave

If the URL for this particular gobble site is required, ask and I'll post
it, with details of what in the site to click to get the gobble.

SARPC.

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Dave Triffid

Re: LloydsTSB

[Dave Symes]

In article
out-4ad7aa61.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk,
   Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]

 John-Mark is referring to the cookies for .co.uk only.  ie. .co.uk
 is the entire domain part.  These cookies could be sent back to any
 domain which ends in .co.uk so are potentially hazardess.

 Chris

That is interesting, I had assumed it to mean any.co.uk cookie.

Fay didn't have any specifically like that, with nothing preceeding the
.co.uk. (Assuming that's what you meant).

I do see there are a number of cookies that start with a dot, like
.lloydstsb.co.uk  and .imdb.com or .google.co.uk

Ah well, I understand very little of it, all I have to do is keep her
machine running okay, then peace reigns in the house.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: LloydsTSB

[Dave Symes]

In article 1255613403.4ad723dbca...@netmail.pipex.net,
   dave higton davehig...@dsl.pipex.com wrote:
[Snippy]
 Move your account to a bank that does support better browsers.
 I use Barclays, which has long been fine.

Tsk,tsk! 
Sorry sport, but that really is a most silly answer.
I can't speak for others, but the amount of work required to transfer all
My/Our banking stuff elsewhere doesn't bear thinking about.
Aside from the little fact, that LTSB have on the whole been a good bank
to us.

Nah! if your browser is behaving badly, it's easier to dump it and find
another browser than to move banks these days.

FWIW. I'm using the latest NetSurf and it works perfectly okay with LTSB,
and I do have a number of .co.uk cookies.

Additionally, J-M.Bell's cookies suggestion does seem to work if you
encounter the problem, as I used it yesterday to get Fays NetSurf working
again with LTSB.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

LloydsTSB

[Dave Symes]

Interesting stuff...

Yesterday Fay's NetSurf worked okay with LTSB, today it presented the
known message.

NetSurf on this machine is still loggin on to LTSB okay as is the version
installed on VRPC Adjust-SA on the XP box next to me.
BTW. On this machine I have a number of .co.uk cookies.

Cleared out her Cookies and now LTSB is okay on her machine.

Strange business...

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: LloydsTSB

[Dave Symes]

In article 1255458566.32582.200.ca...@duiker,
   John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 19:17 +0100, Geoffrey Baxendale wrote:
  Hi,
  
  LloydsTSB has recently stopped working for me after years of trouble
  free operation. I don't think it's Netsurf as V2.1 doesn't work either.
  I suspect they have loaded their site with Javascript or it's a Browser
  detection problem. Having said that Organo2 works OK. Try:
  https://online.lloydstsb.co.uk/account.ibc or try loging on from the
  home page.

 It really is NetSurf. Please see

 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=2872051group_id=51719a
 tid=464312

 John.

Erm! Could someone explain just what's not working.
I've just been online to LloydsTSB done a few bits 'n bobs and logged out.
I don't go through the bank front page though, but have a link in my
bookmark that goes direct to https://online.lloydstsb.co.uk/Customer.ibc


I'm using NetSurf r9607 (05 Oct 2009)

Dave

PS: SWMBO also used NetSurf, a slighty older version and logged in okay.

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Dave Triffid

Re: LloydsTSB

[Dave Symes]

In article be5ec9a950.thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk,
   Geoffrey Baxendale thebe...@sarno.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
[Snippy]

 r9629 here ATM but I have tried NS V1.2 and 2.1 and Oregano1 and 2.
 Only O2 works for me. (O1 gets me the login page but when I submit my
 log on info I get the error message.)

Out of curiosity, I updated NetSurf about five minutes ago to r9629 (12th
Oct 09) gave it a test, and yes logged in to LTSB okay, looked at
statement, printed statement, looked at Direct Debits, no problems.

Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Dave Symes]

In article 20090917110637.7f0f2...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net,
   Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
[Snippy]
 I suspect strongly that John-Mark considers the core engine a much more
 interesting problem than a load of GUI glue for a platform that's
 hateful to develop on.

 B.

Which begs the question. Why are you still here?

It's a serious question BTW.
Dave

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Dave Triffid

Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup

[Dave Symes]

In article 1253218143.5804.343.ca...@duiker,
   John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 20:20 +0100, Dave Symes wrote:
  In article 20090917110637.7f0f2...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net,
 Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
  [Snippy]
   I suspect strongly that John-Mark considers the core engine a much
   more interesting problem than a load of GUI glue for a platform
   that's hateful to develop on.

  Which begs the question. Why are you still here?

 I've already explained my position in detail elsewhere. It doesn't
 exactly match with Rob's interpretation but there you go.

 As for your question, this is still the NetSurf users mailing list,
 right? I think the reason is therefore self-explanatory.

 John.

No John, I wasn't asking why you (J-M B) were here, I thinks that's quite
obvious, I was asking Why Rob was still here in RO land, considering his
antipathy towards the OS both here and elsewhere.
This just happened to be the place where he was running down RISC OS.

Dave

BTW.  I do understand your position... Granted in a different field of
endeavour, but I do understand intimately your position.
D.

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Dave Triffid

Filepaths.

[Dave Symes]

NetSurf version (Dev) r9377 (20 June 2009) and previous version.

Downloaded copies of my bank statement (Html) later when I found time to
look at it in detail, I dropped it on the on the NetSurf Icon bar icon
(Same happens if dropped in to an open NetSurf window) when it opened the
file path shown in the URL bar was:

file:///ADFS%3A%3AHD4.%24/TransDir/Default/Fri21/state1a

The actual file path as shown by another browser is:

file:/ADFS::HD4/$/TransDir/Default/Fri21/state1a

Anyone know what this means and why?

Thanks
Dave

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Re: NS2.1 Unicode font library could not be initialized

[Dave Symes]

In article 20090706003522.53717...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net,
   Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:03:02 +0100
 Mike Hobbs mike.ho...@antplc.com wrote:

  And all this trouble seems to be
  over fonts which NetSurf is never likely to use.

 But NetSurf doesn't know this unless it scans them.  The solution to
 people swapping their sets of fonts all the time is to remove the
 reason for them swapping fonts all the time.

 B.

Could you expand on that a bit Rob... Not quite sure what you meant?

Thanks
Dave

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Re: Netsurf Export as Drawfile problem

[Dave Symes]

In article d6a65d6050.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 On 23 May 2009  Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

[Snip]

 And all working now, in r7539. Many thanks again.

 A slight oddity: the Save as Draw menu item gives one an HTML icon, 
 which changes to a Draw one when it's saved. Not a problem, but odd!

 With best wishes,

 Peter.

I can confirm that Dev r7541 is Exporting Drawfiles okay.
Icon in Menu now the correct Drawfile icon.

Thanks
Dave

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Netsurf Export as Drawfile problem

[Dave Symes]

In article 1243088471.32028.15.ca...@duiker,
   John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 The NetSurf developers are happy to announce the immediate availability
 of NetSurf 2.1.

Worth mentioning as a positive note.
This 2.1 release Exports as a Drawfile okay.

So obviously doesn't have the ongoing problem that the recent development
versions have.

Dave

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Font Scanning

[Dave Symes]

Updated Netsurf to Yesterdays (1st April) version.

The message reads Scanning fonts-please wait
So how many hours does one wait while the machine is frozen literally, for
this scan to finish.

After a substantial amount of time at Times.New.Roman and 88% showing on
the hourglass the only way I could get control of the machine was a back
button reset.

Eventually, the only way I could get Netsurf to behave was temporarily
switch off all the fonts in my Font manager.

I guess as it was an April 1st version...  :-(
Dave

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Re: Font Scanning

[Dave Symes]

In article acdcd54550.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 2 Apr 2009, Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  Updated Netsurf to Yesterdays (1st April) version.

 Running the same version here, no problem.

  The message reads Scanning fonts-please wait So how many hours does
  one wait while the machine is frozen literally, for this scan to
  finish.
 
  After a substantial amount of time at Times.New.Roman and 88% showing
  on the hourglass the only way I could get control of the machine was a
  back button reset.

 Try removing that font from your !Fonts directory. If that solves the
 problem it means that something is amiss with the font. Having scanned
 the fonts when it is first run, NetSurf stores the result in !Scrap.
 Thus, to avoid font-scanning at every start-up, !Scrap should not be
 kept in a RAMdisc. After the fonts have been scanned, NetSurf normally
 loads in about ten seconds, on a SARPC.

 Tony

Thanks for the thoughts.

But. This is the first time Netsurf has constipated itself with a font
scan, and I've been using Netsurf for a long time, updating usually once a
week.
The font in question has been there for a long time also.

I never have !Scrap in a Ramdisk, probably because I *never* have a Ram
disk activated.

As I mentioned, temporarily switching all my fonts off in EFP, then
running Netsurf, then switching the fonts back on sorted that bit 'o
constipation.

Dave

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Re: Font Scanning

[Dave Symes]

In article 984bdf4550.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 2 Apr 2009, Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 [snip]

  As I mentioned, temporarily switching all my fonts off in EFP, then
  running Netsurf, then switching the fonts back on sorted that bit 'o
  constipation.

 You do that each time you start NetSurf, or did the problem not recur?

 Tony

Machine was totally frozen by the Netsurf constipation, I did a Back
button Reset Boot.

Machine back in action.
Switched off all the fonts, Ran Netsurf, Switched the Fonts back on.

Thereafter no problems. Netsurf runs okay, and there is a ...RUfl_cache in
the required place.

Dave

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Re: Font Scanning

[Dave Symes]

In article 1238716328.7159.17.ca...@duiker,
   John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 19:09 +0100, Dave Symes wrote:
  Updated Netsurf to Yesterdays (1st April) version.
  The message reads Scanning fonts-please wait So how many hours does
  one wait while the machine is frozen literally, for this scan to
  finish.
  
  After a substantial amount of time at Times.New.Roman and 88% showing
  on the hourglass the only way I could get control of the machine was a
  back button reset.
  
  Eventually, the only way I could get Netsurf to behave was temporarily
  switch off all the fonts in my Font manager.

 Are you sure that you haven't added any new fonts recently? The font
 scanning code has not been changed for years. NetSurf's log file should
 shed some light on which font is currently causing problems.


 John.

Not added any new fonts for quite a while... many months at least.
Dave

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Re: Site bunched up

[Dave Symes]

In article bf7e580f50.br...@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk,
   Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:
 On 17 Dec, Chris Young wrote:

  I'm not sure what's going on here, but the following is completely
  unreadable in NetSurf:
  http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/

 Which version/OS? It works fine here with r5914 on RISC OS 5.13.

The front will display okay in r9514 Brian, but if you go inside the site
for a more detailed look at things... Blank.

I've tried a few places but as...
Example:
Click the Tools  Materials Tab, then Handtools  (Or Batteries 
Torches, or whatever...)

Basic page outline displays, but content is missing.

Cheers
Dave S

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Re: Failure to save a multimap as pdf or gif

[Dave Symes]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   Dave Higton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Michael Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  A friend has sent me this link to a Yellow Pages - Multimap.
  
http://www.yell.com/myyell/us.do?key=00C4J0
  
  I want to print it out so I can use to find my way there. I have to 
  print out via a Windows machine (I wish I didn't have to!) so I tried 
  to save it as a pdf or Draw file, which Nesurf offers and then convert 
  the Draw file to gif, which InterGif does reliably.
  
  But it doesn't work! I get the text, but not the map. It may be that 
  Multimap is trying to stop its map being copied.

 I followed the link, which gives a clearly visible map.  I clicked
 Menu over the map, then Object-Save allowed me to save a PNG file.
 Double-clicking the PNG file caused PrivateEye to display it; it's
 an accurate representation of what I saw as part of the main page.

 I could also export the entire page as a Drawfile, again with the
 map clearly legible.

 NS r5649 of today, Iyonix, RO 5.11, 512 MB.

 Dave

How intriguing.
SARPC on RISC OS 6.10  Netsurf r5632 (26th October) to HPLJ 5P

Clicked the link and the map page was displayed on screen, clicked the Ns
Printer tool icon.

Here the Map prints, though a bit messily, straight from the as is Netsurf
page to the printer.

Additionally, if I click on the Print this page (Towards top right of
the page), I get a new page that is printer friendly, click on the Netsurf
print tool button and the page prints perfectly.

The only way I could get it to *NOT* print the map, was if I clicked the
mouse pointer in the area that comtained the text, top left, which I guess
is understandable the way the page is constructed.

Cheers
Dave S

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Re: Crash on loading

[Dave Symes]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   Dave Higton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Chris Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Michael Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   This site crashes as soon as it loads.
  
   http://www.rosieandglenn.co.uk/TheLibrary/ASFood/Misc.htm
  
   Michael Bell
   Not here it doesn't. Netsurf dev 19 Oct. I never knew you could make
  flour out of Alder.

 Not here either.  Netsurf Oct 26 r5632.

 Dave

It does work here okay.
Netsurf  (Oct 26 r5632) on SARPC.

Dave S

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Online BT billing

[Dave Symes]

Netsurf r5531 (10 Oct 2008)

Anyone else here attempted to access their online BT phone bill using
Netsurf and find it impossible to get past the Login page?

Cheers
Dave S

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Re: Website that crashes NS.

[Dave Symes]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 18 Aug, Jess Hampshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   http://www.jessops.com/Downloads/Cameras
   
   Does this crash for everyone?

 Far from it now: I have found the whole site works well with r5131, a
 big improvement.

 John

That site, including scrolling, doesn't crash r5131 on this SARPC RO 6.10

Dave S

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Re: LloydsTSB problem

[Dave Symes]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 26 Apr, Geoffrey Baxendale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Guys,

  LloydsTSB have upgraded their site with 

 [Snip]

  On my system this gives a blank page. If I remove either html or the
  next line it works.

  Please can someone else try it to see if it behaves the same on their
  system before I create a bug report.

 Have just tried the site  (https://online.lloydstsb.co.uk/etc)
  with r4103 (23 April) and all works fine as it did before.

 John

When you first log in it does appear to work, you can see the account
overview and call up/display a statement, but try clicking the Link name
over the account number in the Account overview window.

Dave S

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Does this mean anything?

[Dave Symes]

I was pottering around the net looking for a particular type of decorating
roller and went here:  http://www.trade1st.co.uk/category/rollers.aspx

I received a quite pretty page...
Perhaps it means something to some of you chaps... It wasn't much use to
me though.  ;-)

Cheers
Dave S

**

Server Error in '/' Application.

Object reference not set to an instance of an object.   Description: An
unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web
request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the
error and where it originated in the code. 

 Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not
set to an instance of an object.

Source Error: 

 An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current
web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the
exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below. 
Stack Trace: 

[NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.]
   Mando.Platform.ECommerce.ProductManagement.Category.get_TreeLevel() +15
   Mando.Clients.TradeFirst.Site.categoryproductlist.Page_Load(Object sender, 
EventArgs e) +212
   System.Web.Util.CalliHelper.EventArgFunctionCaller(IntPtr fp, Object o,
Object t, EventArgs e) +15
   System.Web.Util.CalliEventHandlerDelegateProxy.Callback(Object sender, 
EventArgs e) +34
   System.EventHandler.Invoke(Object sender, EventArgs e) +0
   System.Web.UI.Control.OnLoad(EventArgs e) +99
   System.Web.UI.Control.LoadRecursive() +47
   System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain(Boolean includeStagesBeforeAsyncPoint, 
Boolean includeStagesAfterAsyncPoint) +1061

Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.832;
ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.832 

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Re: Does this mean anything?

[Dave Symes]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   John-Mark Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Dave Symes wrote:

  I was pottering around the net looking for a particular type of
  decorating roller and went here: 
  http://www.trade1st.co.uk/category/rollers.aspx
 
  I received a quite pretty page...

 Standard ASP.net exception page. Looks like the website's broken (same 
 thing happens in Firefox, fwiw).

 Cheers,
 John.

Thanks

Dave S

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Re: Redirected intrapage links broken

[Dave Symes]

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   John-Mark Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:23:11 GMT, David J. Ruck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Builds over the last month seem to have broken intrapage links in
  redirected URLs.
  
   e.g. fetchhttp://website/script?action
redirects to http://website/page#position
  
  The latest builds seem to be ignoring intrapage part of the link, and
  the URL in the title bar is just http://website/page Explicit
  intrapage URLs are still working fine, so its the extraction from the
  redirection which is going wrong.

 Whoops. Fixed in r3826.

 John.

However, SWMBO is bending my ear.
Version r3817 would work with various pages at http://www.qvcuk.com

Whereas r3829 goes through the motions, but just displays a blank page.
Would someone like to give that URL a go incase it's just our machine.

Cheers
Dave S

PS: Other sites like imdb load and display okay.
D.

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