Re: “Meta”

2021-11-08 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
I agree with the last message of Ted. Meta is a lure that prevents us from seeing Infra: 1) the classic ideological critique - Meta conceals reality (environmental reality) - hides that reality is what Meta produces; 2) Z does not care about the quality of the lure, because it's not his problem

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-08 Thread Ted Byfield
ard to see why "Meta" would be of particular interest to many people on this list. That said, a few thoughts — and don't be dissuaded by the massive block of text quoted below. (1) It seems pretty obvious that the rebranding serves in part to cover for a corporate restructuring

“Wings Over the World” - 1936 - 2036/Reproducing class privilege in Meta version

2021-11-07 Thread Molly Hankwitz
apologies to the list for inadvertently leaving the name of Well's idea in error in a previous post to Felix about Meta "vision" Below is what i was trying to say..."wings over the world" (as written about by H.G. Wells) enjoy, pls *'Wings Over the World*': Reprodu

Re: ?Meta?

2021-11-06 Thread Ryan Griffis
n Facebook changed its name to Meta, after the Metaverse, many were quick to identify the term's origin: Neal Stephenson's 1992 cyberpunk classic Snow Crash. But the novel hardly paints an optimistic future—runway inflation, collapsed governments, and a maniacal media magnate who uses the Metavers

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-05 Thread Joseph Rabie
> ...out pops, the shiny forehead of zuck to suggest his "new vision of meta" - > name-changer for FB, re-branding never profited so good... I wonder if the Zuckerberg (Sugar Mountain) big new meta vision has only to do with getting Facebook botoxed, or if it is some sort of p

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-05 Thread Molly Hankwitz
and smiles again) his meta is an elite wet dream of some superior sentient class (wearing oculus rift haute couture) that will rendezvous and talk about the "real life" of capitalist "flows." (ugh) On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 3:51 AM Felix Stalder wrote: > I agree. While there

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-02 Thread Adam Burns
predicted its demise several times. Usually because it had done something stupid, but Zuckerberg kept finding his way back. On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:54 AM mp wrote: On 02/11/2021 02:26, Brian Holmes wrote: > Alphabet was realistic. Meta looks desperate. I have the same impress

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-02 Thread Brian Holmes
On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:56 AM mp wrote: > Could this be more of a necessary share-holder reference/pointer, > opening new doors and preparing a pathway to shed FB if it becomes too > much of a liability? From an organisational PoV is makes sense, right? > It does, that would be totally logical

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-02 Thread Jon Lebkowsky
stupid, but Zuckerberg kept finding his way back. On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:54 AM mp wrote: > > On 02/11/2021 02:26, Brian Holmes wrote: > > Alphabet was realistic. Meta looks desperate. I have the same impression > as > > you, Michael. It will come to nothing. >

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-02 Thread mp
On 02/11/2021 02:26, Brian Holmes wrote: > Alphabet was realistic. Meta looks desperate. I have the same impression as > you, Michael. It will come to nothing. Could this be more of a necessary share-holder reference/pointer, opening new doors and preparing a pathway to shed FB if it b

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-02 Thread Felix Stalder
all the best. Felix On 02.11.21 03:26, Brian Holmes wrote: Alphabet was realistic. Meta looks desperate. I have the same impression as you, Michael. It will come to nothing. -- | || http://felix.openflows.com | | Open PGP | http://felix.openflows.com/pgp.txt | # distributed

Re: “Meta”

2021-11-01 Thread Brian Holmes
Alphabet was realistic. Meta looks desperate. I have the same impression as you, Michael. It will come to nothing. On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:35 PM Michael H. Goldhaber wrote: > > I remember in the early ‘50’s being excited to go to a pioneering 3-D > movie, but they soon fell out o

“Meta”

2021-11-01 Thread Michael H. Goldhaber
I remember in the early ‘50’s being excited to go to a pioneering 3-D movie, but they soon fell out of fashion. There followed a whole series of similar attempts, all failing to last or become anything as widely accepted as color movies , TV, or videos. The same fate is likely, I strongly

Re: meta(verse)

2021-11-01 Thread Mez Breeze
lly commissioned by Julian Stadon/Furtherfield for the *Beyond the Interface* Exhibition, 2014 International Symposium on Mixed and Augmented Reality, Germany.] On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 10:41 PM Felix Stalder wrote: > > I'm sure most of you have heard by now that Facebook is renaming itself

Re: meta(verse)

2021-11-01 Thread olia lialina
I am a big fan of super cuts, still sacrificed last Sunday afternoon to go through all the 60 "experiences" Zuckerberg promised "to unlock". https://pad.profolia.org/s/experience As at least 9000 others, I loved Sam Lavingne’s supercut of Zuckerberg’s Meta demo.

Re: meta(verse)

2021-10-31 Thread Brian Holmes
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:44 AM Felix Stalder wrote: > There is nothing in there that you couldn't do in Second Life and it > even looks pretty much the same. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gElfIo6uw4g > Indeed, we're stuck at the Star Trek bar and the kids are bored. The thrills of the

Re: meta(verse)

2021-10-31 Thread patrice riemens
Hi Felix, Good stuff! > On 10/29/2021 1:40 PM Felix Stalder mailto:fe...@openflows.com > wrote: > > > I'm sure most of you have heard by now that Facebook is renaming itself > "Meta" and promoting a platform called "Metaverse", basically, a shared,

meta(verse)

2021-10-29 Thread Felix Stalder
I'm sure most of you have heard by now that Facebook is renaming itself "Meta" and promoting a platform called "Metaverse", basically, a shared, but heavily customizable VR/AR world. If you haven't seen the video from the keynote, have look. You won't be able to get t

Re: two 'meta' notes (was Re: rage against the machine)

2019-03-24 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
ted, i'm ready to call this a disagreement and to leave it at that: you say that it is my remark that "misdirects [the discussion] away from what matters most"; and i, to the contrary, think that it is morlock's "figure of speech" that misdirects the attention from what a civilised and moral

two 'meta' notes (was Re: rage against the machine)

2019-03-23 Thread tbyfield
(1) On 18 Mar 2019, at 22:24, Brian Holmes wrote: Ted, I like how you look at disputes from all sides, both for the intrinsic interest of the meta-discussion, and because you put a finger on the very existence of the dispute. For me it boils down to the old question about critique, what

Re: Fascist "trolls," meta

2018-11-08 Thread Johnatan Petterson
hi Angela, regarding Tocqueville, democracy in america, i am stopped in page 134 / 376 and will have to wait to go further into my movies to be able to answer asregards to Catholicism etc as regards to Plato, i have had similar zone of interest, such as "everyone in the place" and "flihgt lines"

Re: Fascist "trolls," meta

2018-11-08 Thread tbyfield
On 8 Nov 2018, at 14:25, jan hendrik brueggemeier wrote: just to reiterate: AB was an alt-right hack of nettime? times certainly are changing ... (apologies for the slow response). I'd rather spend time on just about anything but Bard, but on this point: As far as I know, Bard's been on

Re: Fascist "trolls," meta

2018-11-08 Thread jan hendrik brueggemeier
Dear list - just to reiterate: AB was an alt-right hack of nettime? times certainly are changing ... (apologies for the slow response). i did find one website that mentioned his membership of Medborgerlig Samling (Med) or Citizens' Coalition. i lack swedish language and context understanding to

Re: Fascist "trolls," meta

2018-11-06 Thread Nina Temporär
Brilliant, thanks. Looking forward to read the links. And glad you went „meta“ and pulled this off with a certain authority, not allowing him to make you react to his/their game, In which they eternally try to assign to you either the part of a self-pitying, worthless victim, or that of an evil

Re: Fascist "trolls," meta

2018-11-06 Thread Johnatan Petterson
hy. thank you for the thoughts suggested into me from your writing. i have obviously not been educated enough in US Politics to find an audience in my reply, i wish i knew if the Toqueville book i am currently reading on Democracy in USA (shall along my further reading )cross refer(s ) this

Fascist "trolls," meta

2018-11-06 Thread Angela Mitropoulos
As briefly as possible, responses to various threads/remarks bundled up below: I've been on this list since, I think, 2003. This was the first time I've ever suggested someone be thrown off. As someone else noted, times have changed; but also, I can spot a fascist set of talking points because