Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Johnatan Petterson
oh thanks for the information(s) i felt like we were doing it in the list 'right here & now' (the design, and fractured cultural specific situation methodologies) that might be 'aesthetic experience' lapses, which prooves yur right, & we 've passed beyond the perimeters, left infinite speed. i don'

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Hello Johnatan, Maybe I should not have included that phrase on the infinity of art / techno-science / advanced capitalism, as it distracts from the main point about the necessity of a deep engagement in deliberate acts of political design, and a shift from ‘revolutionary’ tactics to methodolo

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Brian Holmes
On 10/14/2017 03:01 AM, Keith Hart wrote: The shift to deconstruction and construction presumes, to my mind, that the question of homo duplex has been resolved and I don't think it has. This confusion allows individuals to propose their own judgments as social solutions without examining how th

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Johnatan Petterson
hello Eric. why not to call 'design' subversive input and outright denying of anything, or rather B.Latour would say, 'visualize' them. by design or by art-techno-science and advanced capitalism? i ask because these last three categories do not make sense, they are not detailed to a symbolic meanin

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Eric Kluitenberg
Dear felix, Brian, Keith, Just a few notes here as comments on this discussion and the question of how to translate into "a political, social and cultural practice” that felix raised. Though I have critiqued Latour’s Thing politics in the “reDesigning Affect Space” essay also posted here a week

Fwd: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Keith Hart
On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Felix Stalder wrote: > > I think Latour's answer (and I would largely agree with him) is that > it's precisely the individual-society divide that its problematic, > first, because neither can exists without the other and, second, because > it implies that these t

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Felix Stalder
On 2017-10-14 12:01, Keith Hart wrote: > Are we sure that privileging the social has served or will serve > humanity well? The shift to deconstruction and construction presumes, to > my mind, that the question of homo duplex has been resolved and I don't > think it has. I think Latour's answer (

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Keith Hart
On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: > > >>On 2017-10-14 03:30, Brian Holmes wrote: > > > "Has critique run out of steam?" asked Bruno Latour around ten years > > ago. It was a significant question. > > I think there are two ways to address this question. > > One relates more

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-14 Thread Felix Stalder
On 2017-10-14 03:30, Brian Holmes wrote: > "Has critique run out of steam?" asked Bruno Latour around ten years > ago. It was a significant question. I think there are two way to address this question. One relates more to culture and as to do with the information overload online and is best summ

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-13 Thread Brian Holmes
On 10/13/2017 10:14 AM, mp wrote: Does anyone remember the days before "climate change" was "armed with peer-reviewed science" when reason, logic and empirical science was under severe scrutiny as myths and illusions associated with colonialism, racism and destruction of the human habitat? Yea

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-13 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Dear Patrick, Brian, I read your post this am, Patrick, and was comforted amidst numerous recent events to find a conscious intellect! No freak. And, of course, I have some responses...for you and with Brian's comments! See inserted below. On 10/13/2017 05:09 AM, Patrick Lichty wrote: > > Has the

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-13 Thread mp
On 13/10/17 17:59, Brian Holmes wrote: > On 10/13/2017 05:09 AM, Patrick Lichty wrote: >> Has the United states, and a large part of Western thought become so >> warped by populism and anti intellectualism (which is a complex and >> stack in itself) that individuals seeking a humane, objective so

Re: Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-13 Thread Brian Holmes
On 10/13/2017 05:09 AM, Patrick Lichty wrote: Has the United states, and a large part of Western thought become so warped by populism and anti intellectualism (which is a complex and stack in itself) that individuals seeking a humane, objective society driven by reason, logic and empirical sci

Constitutioanl radicalism

2017-10-13 Thread Patrick Lichty
This might seem a bit dated but perhaps not. In response to Brian Holmes' notion that the moderates are now the new radicals, I was reflecting on the July 4th 2017 tweeting of the Declaration of Independence by US National Public Radio. The Trump-base replies of putting radical and subversive c