Re: Identity and difference

2018-11-06 Thread Rachel O'Reilly
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Re: Identity and difference

2018-11-02 Thread Alice Yang
Thanks, Laura. This is why I keep saying that identity politics *is* class struggle. It's just class struggle from perspectives that don't have the privilege of assuming a non-racial (white) and non-gendered (male) point of view. Anyone who thinks that identity politics is overly branded, mass

Re: Identity and difference

2018-11-02 Thread Johnatan Petterson
What would Marxist answer to those who like Berkley do argue against the existence of Matter in the struggles ? Le ven. 2 nov. 2018 à 6:08 PM, Alexander Bard a écrit : > Dear Alice > > If you refer to what I wrote, then please let me correct you. I never said > that gender is a social ghost. I

Re: Identity and difference

2018-11-02 Thread Alice Yang
If you think that race is skin color, you're mistaken. Race is a social reality. Class, race, and gender are all "real" because people believe in them, so they have material consequences. If you think that "pure class struggle" exists and that class hasn't been commodified and sold back to you,

Identity and difference

2018-11-02 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Alice If you refer to what I wrote, then please let me correct you. I never said that gender is a social ghost. I said that race is a social ghost. There is no such thing as race outside of bigoted people's limited imagination. Skin color makes us no different from one another than hair or

Re: Identity and difference

2018-11-02 Thread Alice Yang
Trust me, race and gender are not social ghosts. They have extremely material consequences. On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 12:48 AM Alexander Bard wrote: > Dear Justin > > Was Karl Marx an idealist or a materialist? I'm perfectly happy to leave > that for you and others to decide. Because I'm a

Identity and difference

2018-11-01 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Justin Was Karl Marx an idealist or a materialist? I'm perfectly happy to leave that for you and others to decide. Because I'm a pragmatist and my ideas are pragmatist and the rest is just wordplay to me. I'm interested in factual truth and in whether something works or does not work. I'm

Re: Identity and difference

2018-11-01 Thread Justin Charles
Coming in late to this thread but the anti-identity current that's growing more and more prevalent on the left lately seems to be somewhat in opposition to contrary to materialism. To say that "class is class and only class has universal validity" strikes me as pretty idealist, not materialist.

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-28 Thread tbyfield
Ian, this idea of 'civility' should be unpacked a bit, because the ~word lumps together a disparate range of concerns. At its worst, a lot of babble about civility boils down to is tone-policing, which relies on etiquette as an all-purpose tool for micromanaging rhetoric — and in doing so,

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-28 Thread Ian Alan Paul
Brett - I don't think that the problem of the Left is that we don't spend enough time with people who think it's worthwhile to discuss the potential virtues of "Candace Owens, Nick Land and/or Adolf Hitler." If anything, the Left needs to thoroughly rid itself of the liberal and depoliticizing

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-28 Thread Alexander Bard
Hahahaha, and there comes the Rousseuian personal attack. Exactly my point. There are apparently people so evil and dangerous that the mere mentioning of their names disqualifies the mentioner from any further attachment. See Ian's outburst below. Are the gallows what await me next? While I

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-27 Thread Ian Alan Paul
"Like charismatic Candace Owens says on Fox News these days, race does not exist to her. Neither does it to me. And gender is merely a rough but not fixed orientation toward dividual archetypes of tribal contribution." What a strikingly ahistorical, antimaterialist, and ideological statement.

Identity and difference

2018-10-27 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Ian It's great that you bring up Asad Haider because he is a brilliant historian of identity politics and I agree with him that the big shift happened in 1977. But while for Haider 1977 meant a deepening of emancipatory struggle to include feminist and anti-racist minoritarian causes that he

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-27 Thread Ian Alan Paul
If you you think being of critical and suspicious of theological metanarratives is intellectually lazy, wait until you hear about faux-Marxist class reductionism! In all seriousness, for those of you looking for actually useful analyses of the complex relations between identity, class, and

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-27 Thread Alexander Bard
Dear Joseph While you resentfully remain obsessed with my tonality and my etiquette (as if this was some smelling salt-driven cocktail party at a ship doomed to sink) I do prefer to stay with the topic I brought up. Forget about me. Ans forget about Joseph's preoccupation with my style and

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-27 Thread Joseph Rabie
Alexander addresses me with an injunction and second-guesses my answer: "What is your tactic? Further excuses for not dealing with the crisis of the left?" My answer is that I do not have the slightest idea, and that anyone who claims to have one is either a liar, fool, or utopian dictator. And

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-26 Thread Joseph Rabie
So, let us try to understand Alexander: "Marx good, Rousseau bad, Class Struggle good, Identity Politics bad." Reading his text is like falling into the dystopian totalitarian abyss that so filled George Orwell with despair. Both sides proposed by Alexander, in the terms proposed by him, are

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-26 Thread Alexander Bard
versal >> solvent for all injustice. Whose limitations we might recognise in David >> Cameron’s infamous mode of >> address when chiding Angela Eagle in UK parliament in 2011 with the words >> “calm down dear”.. >> >> >> >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 06:

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-26 Thread David Garcia
atrice Riemens wrote: > > > In a French philosophy class 50 yrs ago this thread would have provided a > > fantastic 'baccalaureat' exam subject, since it encapsulates the no 1 issue > > of French philosphy, as expressed in the title Vincent Descombes' awesome > > over

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-26 Thread mp
On 26/10/2018 13:34, Alexander Bard wrote: > Class was lost in all this. And as a Deleuzian .. sounds like an identity? # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-26 Thread Alexander Bard
1 > issue of French philosphy, as expressed in the title Vincent Descombes' > awesome overview of the same: Le Meme et l'Autre (The One and the Other) > being the question whether there is an identity between identity and > difference, or a ... difference. > > > > It also ep

Identity and difference

2018-10-26 Thread Alexander Bard
of French philosphy, as expressed in the title Vincent Descombes' > awesome overview of the same: Le Meme et l'Autre (The One and the Other) > being the question whether there is an identity between identity and > difference, or a ... difference. > > It also epitomize the emptinesss of

Re: Identity and difference

2018-10-25 Thread Patrice Riemens
the question whether there is an identity between identity and difference, or a ... difference. It also epitomize the emptinesss of discussions of identity, this time illustrated by a member of Bilwet's famous, but totally vacuous phrase "rather a complex identity than an identity co