On 08/01/2021 04:07, Keith Sanborn wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> There is a difference between a fascist coup attempt lead from above and
> a mass insurrection.
... when you put it like that, it sounds like there is a difference.
Does that mean that poor, white Americans have no sense of the
*The Fascist Simulation*
Ian Alan Paul // January 8, 2021
https://www.ianalanpaul.com/the-fascist-simulation/
In the United States, fascism presently unfolds as a simulation. The
fascist simulation constitutes itself as a pixelated sea of livestreams,
images, posts, and comments, circulating
not to nitpick, but they had a command and that was from Trump...to "storm
the capitol"
after that they had no serious intent to occupy the Capitol or, for
instance, to issue demands...
they were there to disrupt the electoral college vote confirmation by
Congress - on behalf of their leader
It was definitely a mob, and I think Geert is right that this particular event
had no clear command.
But I would caution against assuming these rioters were all poor white folk or
that this was primarily about class. Many in the mob have now been identified,
and there were plenty of white
Hi all,
In all the conversations about this insurrection/mob/coup attempt or whatever
you want to call it (including whether it should be property understood as a
directionless, disorganized act of white rage, or as an early warning/test of a
more organized fascist coup), I just think it’s
Hi Molly and Tara!
A leader, yes… but what were they supposed to do there? Stay? Take over, but
what exactly? It’s all about staging. Now they were primarily staging for
social media, for themselves, individually, roaming around in a building,
looking for what? In the end they were not one
Good question, Keith.
Was it a putch without a purpose of a mob without a cause? For sure they were
all revved up, dazed by meme magick and shit, looking for the best selfie
opportunity.
Once we enter the heart of the power, and roam around there, we do not face
power as such. No need to
Put another way, was it the burning of the Reichstag or the storming of the
Winter Palace? or neither?
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:47 AM, mp wrote:
>
>
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>> On 08/01/2021 04:07, Keith Sanborn wrote:
>> Dear John,
>>
>> There is a difference between a fascist coup attempt lead from above and
>>
Le 07/01/2021 à 19:25, Brian Holmes a écrit :
In my view, far from being a harbinger of possibly worse threats to come,
yesterday's events were the most positive thing that could have happened.
Hello
Even if I appreciate Biden election, and relative happy conclusion of
Capitol's coup, I
Dear all,
the Yugo-mentions are spot-on but let me note that, like so many times
before, Trump's tactics are straight out of Berlusconi's playbook -- on
amphetamine, of course. Berlusconi never accepted the results of the
Italian 2006 elections, his second major defeat. Like in the US, the
On 08/01/2021 16:13, Geert Lovink wrote:
> Good question, Keith.
>
> Was it a putch without a purpose of a mob without a cause? For sure they were
> all revved up, dazed by meme magick and shit, looking for the best selfie
> opportunity.
>
> Once we enter the heart of the power, and roam
“those that stormed Congress this week are the spiritual descendants of those
that burned Ocoee, Tulsa, and Wilmington.”
Ryan: I fully agree with this. I do think a key difference now is the role
networked platforms are playing in both organizing and coalition building.
There are some key
Sorry, I had the phrase wrong, the article called it "fan service":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/trump-post-election-fan-service/2020/11/13/a70615f6-2511-11eb-8672-c281c7a2c96e_story.html
We should also recognize, I think, that Trump did fantasize that the rioters
might do
hey,
only an analytical 'footnote', or pointer – but I was looking at the
interesting article Flick referenced. and just had to think of David
Graeber´s analytical digestion attempt, trying to grapple with the Tory
win in UK.
... and there is probably no need in stressing the
yes, and thus it means that we might return to the email of Flick
Harisson (the first one): what if? what if things had turned differently?
we assess the situation based on a failure, and retroactively wonder
whether or not they were organized or spontaneous; but maybe we should
include in our
Large scale protests like the Capitol assault are hardly US-centric
any more than the Internet and social media are, or the spread of
political ideologies and the commentariat as evidenced here for
decades (thanks to the open-minded admins and some of the commenters).
Authorities are
Hello Geert, Tara, others...
Well, that's it, right? They did not have an idea, besides petty vandalism,
what to do (being leaderless and likely to be followers rather than leaders)
Actually, I heard, but have not confirmed, that they were trying to get the
actual paper votes of the electoral
yes, and thus it means that we might return to the email of Flick
Harisson (the first one): what if? what if things had turned differently?
we assess the situation based on a failure, and retroactively wonder
whether or not they were organized or spontaneous; but maybe we should
include in our
to add to Ryan's earlier most and the important emphasis he makes:
PlacingJan 06 in historical context: the rampage on the Capital is an
act of white rage that is firmly embedded in American history: from
lynchings to the murderous pogroms in East St. Louis, Chicago, Tulsa,
Made by TV, made by social media. Trump, that is
Trump wanted to overthrow the election and his hardcore followers believed
that he would provide them direction, but in the end he proved that he is
unable to really lead when it counts. He is not a general, nor a
strategist, nor a coach, nor
Yes, there were people like the guy in the fur hat who apparently is the son of
a judge, but I'm following up on that claim.
Idiocracy isn't so funny any more . Hasn't been for a long time.
Shifting back to the US next week.. I'll be on more.
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