Re: The List needs a new Topic

[Dmytri Kleiner]

On 2021-01-20 22:44, { brad brace } wrote:

thanks for these links Dmytri -- I'd appreciate hearing of others from
others... /:b


Thanks Brad, I can recommend one recent text, this one touches on a lot 
of the strategies I think we need to take to heart.


https://www.thetricontinental.org/dossier-34-paulo-freire-and-south-africa/

---

Paulo Freire and Popular Struggle in South Africa

November 9, 2020

Paulo Freire was a radical educator from Brazil whose work was tied to 
struggles for human freedom and dignity. He constantly experimented with 
and thought about how to connect learning and teaching among the poor 
and oppressed with the radical transformation of society. For Freire, 
this meant struggling for a world where everyone counts equally and is 
treated with dignity — a world in which economic and political power are 
radically democratised.


This dossier, which draws on interviews with participants in a range of 
struggles in South Africa, shows that Freire’s ideas have been an 
important influence in the Black Consciousness Movement, the trade union 
movement, and some of the organisations associated with the United 
Democratic Front (UDF). His ideas remain influential today, from trade 
unions to grassroots struggles.


From Brazil to Africa

Freire was born in Recife, a city in north eastern Brazil, in 1921. 
After his university studies, he became a schoolteacher and began to 
develop an interest in radical approaches to education, including 
projects to teach adult literacy. Freire saw the role of community and 
worker organisations and struggles as vital in the formation of the 
critical conscience that is required to overcome the domination and 
dependence of the oppressed.


In Freire’s early works, he wrote that the fundamental goal of radical 
pedagogy is to develop a critical conscience in individuals. The method 
of dialogical engagement that he developed from the 1950s onwards became 
an emancipatory and progressive alternative to the dominant school 
programmes sponsored by the US government through agencies such as the 
United States Agency for International Development (USAID), an 
organisation that is notorious for backing coups against elected 
governments in Latin America and elsewhere.


In 1964, the Brazilian military seized control of the country with the 
backing of the United States and imposed a brutal right-wing 
dictatorship. Freire was among the many people arrested by the 
dictatorship. After seventy days in prison, he was released and forced 
to leave the country.


During his years in exile, he continued to carry out his practical work 
in other countries in Latin America, such as Chile, where he wrote his 
most important book, Pedagogy of the Oppressed, and developed adult 
literacy programmes. He also had significant contact with African 
freedom struggles. During this time, he visited Zambia, Tanzania, 
Guinea-Bissau, Sao Tome and Principe, Angola, and Cape Verde. He met 
with The People’s Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA), the 
Mozambique Liberation Front (Frelimo), and the African Party for the 
Independence of Guinea and Cape Verde (PAIGC). He developed adult 
literacy programmes in Guinea-Bissau, Tanzania, and Angola.


Freire read extensively about colonisation and its effects on the 
people, including the writings of African revolutionary intellectuals 
like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral. He felt a special connection to 
Africa and wrote that ‘[a]s a man from north-eastern Brazil, I was 
somewhat culturally tied to Africa, particularly to those countries that 
were unfortunate enough to be colonised by Portugal’.


Freire was also deeply critical of the capitalist system, which exploits 
and dominates the bodies and minds of the oppressed, and is a major 
force generating the material and ideological conditions that shape the 
domination of consciousness. This domination — which, of course, is 
entwined with racism and sexism — can seep into our being, our actions, 
and the way that we see the world. Freire argued that learning to fight 
to overcome domination is difficult but essential political work that 
requires constant learning.


Freire’s emphasis on the importance of dialogue as the basis for 
critical consciousness, and his stress on the essential role of popular 
struggle and organisation, both became important tools in grassroots 
struggles in Brazil during the 1970s and 1980s. In this period in Latin 
America in general, and Brazil in particular, popular education became 
synonymous with popular movements that used it as their main educational 
strategy, uniting political practice and learning processes.


In 1980, Freire returned to Brazil, where he became active in the 
Workers’ Party (Partido dos Trabalhadores). When the party took control 
of São Paulo (one of the largest cities in the world) in 1988, he was 
appointed as the city’s secretary of education. He remained in this 
position until 1991. He died in 1997.

Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

[Molly Hankwitz]

Adam - nice question...definitely something to consider...especially in
light of democracy being understood as on the wane..well before Trump...or
becoming a 'managed' society as opposed to an active democracy.


On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 9:41 AM Lichty, Patrick M  wrote:

> As a brief provocation, I think the question might relate to the American
> form of democracy versus other models like the Indian one, which has its
> own issues, but it is operating at 3x the size of America. The norion of
> radical democracy versus representative versus republican democracy, social
> democracy.
>


 Here, wanting to insert...that the notion of 'intersectionality' is vital
to the new mosaic of democracy which has emerged to counteract neo-liberal
'universalist' democracy...one blanket can't cover all.


> In short, if democracy morphs in ways that are appropriate to the milieu,
> It still seems one of the most viable forms unless we see that social media
> affect democracy like the shift to written language disrupted Classic al
> Greece.
>

and accelerationism...as part of that...of losing sight of values due to
speed

as Adam points out, and I sure feel at my age...processing is so important
"Human beings (animals) need
space and time to digest change and to recognize patterns."


artificial intelligence may be able to adequately make some decisions for
us, but not all and logic does not rule what is human...imho

molly

>
> On 1/20/21, 11:12 AM, "Adam Burns"  behalf of ad...@free2air.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> On 19/01/2021 19:29, Brian Holmes wrote:
> > Democracy as collective self-governance basically works - to the
> > extent it ever does work - when different groups of people achieve
> > consensus and even some degree of common purpose by peaceful,
> > procedural deliberation.
>
> I am of the opinion that this may have been true.
>
> But.
>
> Does this least worse form we call democracy scale in our current
> environment?
>
> In my humble life of something over 50 years, human population has
> doubled. Despite the tragedy of the death rate of COVID, it has hardly
> made a dent on human population growth. The entire global pandemic has
> put back human population growth back by less than a week.
>
> Now add time. And digital media & platforms. And speed of propagation
> of
> machine mediated communications. Global scale communication (with its
> current limitations) is now almost instant and vast in reach. Albeit in
> forms controlled and influenced by relatively new media players.
>
> We are, I believe, stumbling in the dark. Human beings (animals) need
> space and time to digest change and to recognize patterns.
>
> The more we come to understand the nature of large complex systems, the
> more we see that certain qualia only make sense at certain ranges of
> scale before models, concepts, and classifications break down.
>
> As James Lovelock has recently written in his book Novacene, do we need
> silicon to add to our carbon to help the universe look and understand
> itself further through the conversion of energy to information? Or is
> this something we cannot abide?
>
> I'm unsure whether we really understand where we are at this point of
> time.
>
> Not that we ever have!
>
> Best to all,
>
> Adam.
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Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

[Lichty, Patrick M]

As a brief provocation, I think the question might relate to the American form 
of democracy versus other models like the Indian one, which has its own issues, 
but it is operating at 3x the size of America. The norion of radical democracy 
versus representative versus republican democracy, social democracy. 

In short, if democracy morphs in ways that are appropriate to the milieu, It 
still seems one of the most viable forms unless we see that social media affect 
democracy like the shift to written language disrupted Classic al Greece.

On 1/20/21, 11:12 AM, "Adam Burns"  wrote:

Hi Brian,

On 19/01/2021 19:29, Brian Holmes wrote:
> Democracy as collective self-governance basically works - to the
> extent it ever does work - when different groups of people achieve
> consensus and even some degree of common purpose by peaceful,
> procedural deliberation.

I am of the opinion that this may have been true.

But.

Does this least worse form we call democracy scale in our current
environment?

In my humble life of something over 50 years, human population has
doubled. Despite the tragedy of the death rate of COVID, it has hardly
made a dent on human population growth. The entire global pandemic has
put back human population growth back by less than a week.

Now add time. And digital media & platforms. And speed of propagation of
machine mediated communications. Global scale communication (with its
current limitations) is now almost instant and vast in reach. Albeit in
forms controlled and influenced by relatively new media players.

We are, I believe, stumbling in the dark. Human beings (animals) need
space and time to digest change and to recognize patterns.

The more we come to understand the nature of large complex systems, the
more we see that certain qualia only make sense at certain ranges of
scale before models, concepts, and classifications break down.

As James Lovelock has recently written in his book Novacene, do we need
silicon to add to our carbon to help the universe look and understand
itself further through the conversion of energy to information? Or is
this something we cannot abide?

I'm unsure whether we really understand where we are at this point of time.

Not that we ever have!

Best to all,

Adam.


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Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy

[Adam Burns]

Hi Brian,

On 19/01/2021 19:29, Brian Holmes wrote:
> Democracy as collective self-governance basically works - to the
> extent it ever does work - when different groups of people achieve
> consensus and even some degree of common purpose by peaceful,
> procedural deliberation.

I am of the opinion that this may have been true.

But.

Does this least worse form we call democracy scale in our current
environment?

In my humble life of something over 50 years, human population has
doubled. Despite the tragedy of the death rate of COVID, it has hardly
made a dent on human population growth. The entire global pandemic has
put back human population growth back by less than a week.

Now add time. And digital media & platforms. And speed of propagation of
machine mediated communications. Global scale communication (with its
current limitations) is now almost instant and vast in reach. Albeit in
forms controlled and influenced by relatively new media players.

We are, I believe, stumbling in the dark. Human beings (animals) need
space and time to digest change and to recognize patterns.

The more we come to understand the nature of large complex systems, the
more we see that certain qualia only make sense at certain ranges of
scale before models, concepts, and classifications break down.

As James Lovelock has recently written in his book Novacene, do we need
silicon to add to our carbon to help the universe look and understand
itself further through the conversion of energy to information? Or is
this something we cannot abide?

I'm unsure whether we really understand where we are at this point of time.

Not that we ever have!

Best to all,

Adam.




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Re: The List needs a new Topic

[John Young]

Change of topic is venerable group-censorship, aka sanctimonus 
moderation, autocratic cowardice, clusterfuck. Usually instigated by 
an unindicted co-conspirator, eager beaver undercover, paid informer, 
junior TA, tenure aspirant, deft sucker-up. No shit, the hoary, 
whorey, technique is explained for those lusting for approbation:


https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Must jump to say none of the stellar contributors here are to be 
granted pardon.


At 08:53 AM 1/20/2021, you wrote:

On 2021-01-20 09:59, Geert Lovink wrote:


the authoritian grip of the Xi regime is only further tightening.


I'm really done with this discussion here, but with all due respect, 
comments like these are comically ridiculous. I'm finished trying to 
explain why, I feel I have tried. Anybody that wants to talk 
further, please feel free to reach out.


In the meantime, please see these resources, all of which are 
published by people I know personally and have spent time with, so 
while I in no way speak for them, I have some insight into how they 
feel and what they think:


- https://www.thetricontinental.org
- https://www.newframe.com
- https://peoplesdispatch.org
- https://www.newsclick.in
- https://ruralindiaonline.org

These are my comrades, as much as I would like for all of you to be 
my comrades also, as I have met and worked with so many of you, so 
long as you perpetuate a climate of toxic chauvinism with 
pompeo-level blanket denouncements, you are burning any bridges 
possible with these communities, and this is profoundly disappointing to me.


If there is one thing you are able to hear from my comments, just 
know that denouncements like the one Geert makes above means that 
the communities those publications emerge from will feel unwelcome 
and looked down upon here.


If there is any desire to "extend the nettime project" then this 
culture of intolerance to the views of so many people will not help. 
For my own part, I am so glad that the telekommunisten project, born 
in the hacker, activist and media art circles that many of us share, 
has led me to be in contact with these communities, and I will now 
go where they lead, even if that means, sadly, walking away from some of you.



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Judith Butler: Why Donald Trump will never admit defeat

[Patrice Riemens]

Original to:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/20/donald-trump-election-defeat-covid-19-deaths


Why Donald Trump will never admit defeat
Judith Butler, The Guardian, Wed 20 Jan 2021


Whether it is deaths from Covid-19 or his own election defeat, admitting 
loss is something Trump finds impossible to do


It could be considered a small thing that Trump can neither meet with 
Biden nor acknowledge that he has lost the election to him. But what if 
the refusal to acknowledge loss is bound up with the path of destruction 
we call Trump’s exit route? Why is it so hard to lose? The question has 
at least two meanings in these times. So many of us are losing people to 
Covid-19, or fearing death for ourselves or others. All of us are living 
in relation to ambient illness and death, whether or not we have a name 
for that sense of the atmosphere. Death and illness are quite literally 
in the air. And yet, it is unclear how to name or fathom these losses, 
and the resistance of Trump to public mourning has drawn from, and 
intensified, a masculinist refusal to mourn that is bound up with 
nationalist pride and even white supremacy. The Trumpists tend not to 
grieve openly pandemic deaths. They have conventionally rejected the 
numbers as exaggerated (“fake news!”) or defied the threat of death with 
their gatherings and maskless marauding through the public spaces, most 
recently in their spectacle of thuggery in the US Capitol in animal 
costumes. Trump never acknowledged the losses the US has suffered, and 
had no inclination or capacity to offer condolences. When the losses 
were referenced, they were not so bad, the curve was flattening, the 
pandemic would be short, it was not his fault, it was China’s fault. 
What people need, he claimed, was to get back to work because they were 
“dying” at home, by which he meant only that they were driven crazy by 
domestic confinement.


If Trump looks like a fascist and acts like a fascist, then maybe he is 
one


Trump’s inability to acknowledge his election loss is related to his 
inability to acknowledge and mourn public losses from the pandemic, but 
also his destructive itinerary. If he were to have openly acknowledged 
his electoral loss, then he would be someone who loses. He is just not 
the kind of guy who loses, and if he does, then someone took what was 
rightfully his. But there is a further twist. The white supremacists who 
stormed the Capitol are also convinced not only that the elections were 
stolen, but their country as well, that they are being “replaced” by 
black and brown communities, by Jews, and their racism fights against 
the idea that they are being asked to lose their idea of white 
entitlement and supremacy. To this end, they transport themselves back 
in time to become Confederate soldiers, they occupy fantasy figures on 
video games with superhuman powers, they dress as animals and bear guns 
openly, reliving the “wild west” and its genocide of indigenous peoples. 
They also understand themselves as “the people” and “the nation” which 
is why they are still in some shock as they are arrested for felonies. 
How could this be trespass or sedition or conspiracy if they were only 
reclaiming “their house”? How could this be a crime if the president 
asked them to undertake these acts? Those who sought to find, kill or 
kidnap elected officials had clearly violent plans, ones well-documented 
on their various internet sites and unheeded by complicitous police 
officials. And the attack on police and even the death by crushing of 
one of their own, Rosanne Boyland, went unheeded in the excitement of 
their lethal rampage.


And it may also be that Trump’s own final killing spree, taking the 
lives of 13 people since federal executions resumed in July 2020, is 
another example of the readiness to kill that marks these final days. 
Where there is a ready-made refusal to acknowledge the loss of lives, 
killing presumably becomes easier. These lives are not quite grasped as 
lives, and their loss does not really count as significant. In this way, 
Trump’s final days, including the Capitol assault, are a violent 
rejoinder to Black Lives Matter. Globally, millions took to the streets 
to oppose in outrage police taking of black lives with impunity, forming 
a movement that exposed historical and systemic racism, and opposed the 
ease with which police and prisons destroy black lives. That movement 
continues to pose a global threat to white supremacy, and the reaction 
has been violent and vile. The supremacists do not want to lose their 
supremacy, even though they have already lost it and continue to lose it 
as movements for racial justice continue to achieve their aims. Trump’s 
loss is as unthinkable as their own, and this is doubtless one of the 
ties that bind them to his delusive conviction of a stolen election.


The result is a form of destructive rage that does not even bother to 
offer a moral alibi


Before the 

Re: The List needs a new Topic

[Dmytri Kleiner]

On 2021-01-20 09:59, Geert Lovink wrote:


the authoritian grip of the Xi regime is only further tightening.


I'm really done with this discussion here, but with all due respect, 
comments like these are comically ridiculous. I'm finished trying to 
explain why, I feel I have tried. Anybody that wants to talk further, 
please feel free to reach out.


In the meantime, please see these resources, all of which are published 
by people I know personally and have spent time with, so while I in no 
way speak for them, I have some insight into how they feel and what they 
think:


- https://www.thetricontinental.org
- https://www.newframe.com
- https://peoplesdispatch.org
- https://www.newsclick.in
- https://ruralindiaonline.org

These are my comrades, as much as I would like for all of you to be my 
comrades also, as I have met and worked with so many of you, so long as 
you perpetuate a climate of toxic chauvinism with pompeo-level blanket 
denouncements, you are burning any bridges possible with these 
communities, and this is profoundly disappointing to me.


If there is one thing you are able to hear from my comments, just know 
that denouncements like the one Geert makes above means that the 
communities those publications emerge from will feel unwelcome and 
looked down upon here.


If there is any desire to "extend the nettime project" then this culture 
of intolerance to the views of so many people will not help. For my own 
part, I am so glad that the telekommunisten project, born in the hacker, 
activist and media art circles that many of us share, has led me to be 
in contact with these communities, and I will now go where they lead, 
even if that means, sadly, walking away from some of you.



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Re: The List needs a new Topic

[Andrew Spiers]

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in 2021.*

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:54 PM  wrote:

> Yes please, and thank you, Geert. The endless navel-gazing of the WEIRD
> nations’ senescence is recursively dull. The point is not what do the usual
> suspects think about China (or whatever proxy you like), it’s whether they
> — we — can extend the nettime project. Not so it can absorb new milieus; if
> anything, so it can be absorbed by them.
>
> Cheers, Ted
> On Jan 20, 2021, 4:01 AM -0500, Geert Lovink , wrote:
>
> On 19 Jan 2021, at 9:52 pm, bronac ferran  wrote:
> The List needs a new Topic
>
>
> Bronac, I agree. This was a tense thread, but also a worthty enof the
> Trump er
> On a bright note, look at this video again: Trump rapping China, China,
> China:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs
>
> In general it would be would for nettime to focus more on China :) Or
> let’s be more clear, to fellow Chinese critics, artists, coders, theorists,
> researchers and other dreamers. To get an understanding of the Party and
> its relation to the business elites is one, but can we still have a direct
> dialogue with people out there? Or how dialogues with Hong Kong? How are
> people coping there, after the great showdown of 2019-2020? How can we
> strenghten ties with critical forces in Taiwan?
>
> With Trump gone our own Chinese Question (and how to relate with the
> official forces there) will be even more important as the authoritian grip
> of the Xi regime is only further tightening. Will you except an invitation
> from a school or art institution in Shanghai? Will there be a cultural
> boycott of China soon? In whose interest owuld this be? Has Hong Kong
> already lost its status aparte for you?
>
> What else is there to discuss on nettime as the world moves on to Telegram
> and Signal? What to make of social media governance? I do not think this
> will get us anywhere... Internet as public infrastructure aka stack… yes.
> The clash of cultures and strategies in the (de)centralization debate are
> unresolved. Can federation scale? How to dismantle Google and Facebook?
>
> Ciao, Geert
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Re: The List needs a new Topic

[tbyfield]

Yes please, and thank you, Geert. The endless navel-gazing of the WEIRD 
nations’ senescence is recursively dull. The point is not what do the usual 
suspects think about China (or whatever proxy you like), it’s whether they — we 
— can extend the nettime project. Not so it can absorb new milieus; if 
anything, so it can be absorbed by them.

Cheers, Ted
On Jan 20, 2021, 4:01 AM -0500, Geert Lovink , wrote:
On 19 Jan 2021, at 9:52 pm, bronac ferran  
wrote:
The List needs a new Topic

Bronac, I agree. This was a tense thread, but also a worthty enof the Trump er
On a bright note, look at this video again: Trump rapping China, China, China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

In general it would be would for nettime to focus more on China :) Or let’s be 
more clear, to fellow Chinese critics, artists, coders, theorists, researchers 
and other dreamers. To get an understanding of the Party and its relation to 
the business elites is one, but can we still have a direct dialogue with people 
out there? Or how dialogues with Hong Kong? How are people coping there, after 
the great showdown of 2019-2020? How can we strenghten ties with critical 
forces in Taiwan?

With Trump gone our own Chinese Question (and how to relate with the official 
forces there) will be even more important as the authoritian grip of the Xi 
regime is only further tightening. Will you except an invitation from a school 
or art institution in Shanghai? Will there be a cultural boycott of China soon? 
In whose interest owuld this be? Has Hong Kong already lost its status aparte 
for you?

What else is there to discuss on nettime as the world moves on to Telegram and 
Signal? What to make of social media governance? I do not think this will get 
us anywhere... Internet as public infrastructure aka stack… yes. The clash of 
cultures and strategies in the (de)centralization debate are unresolved. Can 
federation scale? How to dismantle Google and Facebook?

Ciao, Geert

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Re: The List needs a new Topic

[Geert Lovink]

> On 19 Jan 2021, at 9:52 pm, bronac ferran  wrote:
> 
> The List needs a new Topic


Bronac, I agree. This was a tense thread, but also a worthty end of the Trump 
era.

On a bright note, look at this video again: Trump rapping China, China, China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs 


In general it would be would for nettime to focus more on China :) Or let’s be 
more clear, to fellow Chinese critics, artists, coders, theorists, researchers 
and other dreamers. To get an understanding of the Party and its relation to 
the business elites is one, but can we still have a direct dialogue with people 
out there? Or how dialogues with Hong Kong? How are people coping there, after 
the great showdown of 2019-2020? How can we strenghten ties with critical 
forces in Taiwan?

With Trump gone our own Chinese Question (and how to relate with the official 
forces there) will be even more important as the authoritian grip of the Xi 
regime is only further tightening. Will you except an invitation from a school 
or art institution in Shanghai? Will there be a cultural boycott of China soon? 
In whose interest owuld this be? Has Hong Kong already lost its status aparte 
for you?

What else is there to discuss on nettime as the world moves on to Telegram and 
Signal? What to make of social media governance? I do not think this will get 
us anywhere... Internet as public infrastructure aka stack… yes. The clash of 
cultures and strategies in the (de)centralization debate are unresolved. Can 
federation scale? How to dismantle Google and Facebook?

Ciao, Geert


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