Re: In Praise of Cash
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017, at 09:22 PM, Morlock Elloi wrote: > Just to mention the latest, and perhaps the most insidious entry in the > war on cash: Bitcoin, all-transactions-always-public PoW hash system > operated mostly by Chinese mints, touted to post-New Agers as the Next > Big Thing. Bitcoin was war on the war on cash. > The unique aspect of Bitcoin is that it represents a merger of two > ideologies - one well described in the subject essay, and the other That it managed to do this while being an evil AnCap conspiracy is very impressive. > being California model of centralized-everything through middlemen apps, > where middlemen middle between myriad aspects of the human existence on Middlemen are "trusted third parties". > one side, and a single-digit number of fascistic monopolies on the other > side. This is an Adam Curtis cheese dream of what Bitcoin's recuperation by its enemies represents. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: On Accelerationism (Fred Turner)
On 02/09/16 01:48 PM, nettime's slow reader wrote: > > http://www.publicbooks.org/nonfiction/on-accelerationism > > [...] > > [1] To their credit, Srnicek and Williams do not ask us to dissolve into > digital ones and zeros, as John Perry Barlow once did. Their call for a > universal basic income makes a kind of grounded sense that has eluded > earlier accelerationists. So too does their critique of Folk Politics. > [2] Yet, the problem of politics writ large remains. How can we build a more > just, more egalitarian society when our devices already surround us with > so many of the personalized delights we might want such a society to > offer? Meetings are boring. Talking to people unlike ourselves is hard. > How can we turn away from the mediasphere long enough to rediscover the > pleasures of that difficult work? And how can we sustain it when we do? > > To these kinds of questions [*2], the accelerationists have no answers [*1]. Numbers added by me to illustrate the error that this essay shares with a couple of other responses to "Inventing The Future": Universal Basic Income is intended to support, among other things, precisely the kinds or organization and meaningful social action that the author is calling for here. The answer to [2] is [1]. Peter Wolfendale has commented on eight other problems with this essay: http://conversations.e-flux.com/t/peter-wolfendales-brief-8-point-response-to-fred-turners-critique-of-accelerationism/4425 Peter Wolfendale, philosopher and an instructor of the Critical Philosophy Program at The New Centre for Research & Practice7 responded on Facebook to Fred Turner. Here are his points published here with permission. (1) The equation of embracing/accelerating technological process and 'the spread of capitalism' is a severe misreading of Nick and Alex that opens the rhetorical door to most of the other criticisms. (2) "Imitating neoliberal tactics is one thing; arguing that commerce and technology will bring about utopia is another. Srnicek and Williams want both." - This is a blatant straw man. They argue for commerce and technology as sites of struggle, and even if they have things to say about the generally emancipatory character of technology they certainly don't say similar things about commerce. (3) We have authentic selves, they argue, and to work for wages, we must leave our authentic desires at home." - This is also categorically false. The critique of 'authenticity' is part and parcel of the critique of immediacy. What they call 'synthetic freedom' has fuck all to do with Romanticism and any latent manner in which this is exploited by employers in cultivating the subjectivity of workers. He could have easily connected this to Mark Fisher's 'Capitalist Realism', which is an obvious precursor to Nick and Alex on these issues of workplace subjectivation. (4) Turner seems to have little to no understanding of what Cybersyn13 was, and thus bases his comments entirely on the 'star trek bridge' look of the control centre, which is a highly misleading visual analogy. There's an importance to the fact that the chairs are laid out in a circle, with no central 'captain's chair' for a start. More importantly though, the decentralised feedback processes that the system is designed around are completely obscured by it. (5) If this sounds more than a little like a marketing campaign for Uber, it should. This is the same logic that drives the rhetoric of the sharing economy. And that should make us nervous." - I find this particular cheap shot (i.e., 'this sounds like Uber and you don't understand the evils of Uber') pretty galling, given that Nick is literally a world expert on Uber, the sharing economy, and 'Platform Capitalism' (the title of his forthcoming book). (6) Srnicek and Williams are blinded by their faith in all things digital." - Utter bilge. Every one of the questions he raises about the perils of automation are actually asked in the book. Even if you don't think they were addressed satisfactorily, you can't just pretend they've been ignored. (7) Say we succeed in building a new Cybersyn. Who will sit in the armchairs of command?" - Such a cheap shot. See point (4). (8) Everything about Noys and the CCRU is essentially irrelevant in my view, and again, provides an obvious set of cheap shots to reach for in lieu of actually engaging with newer work. It's worth remembering that Noys barely discusses the manifesto or anything beyond the CCRU in MV, and it really shows. It's not so much a bad critique as one that completely fails to connect with the 'contemporary accelerationism' that it's supposed to be aimed at. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender
Re: Ethereum: DAO - "The Attacker"
On 23/07/16 02:41 AM, Jaromil wrote: > - The REAL community of people behind Ethereum is now rejecting the > bail-out, probably marking in history the first time in which there > can be a bail-out rejection by grass-roots movements?? > Ethereum Classic is announced https://ethereumclassic.github.io "Classic" is a scam. The hashing power has followed the fork, and even if you secure your transactions on the "Classic" chain against replay attacks - https://github.com/ethereumclassic/README/issues/3 it's an obvious pump & dump. What's interesting sociologically and politically about the fork isn't that the losing side is a scam, it's that the event of the fork represents both a loss of innocence and an affirmation. The loss of innocence is around the idea, despite Bitcoin's early rollback of transactions resulting from bugs in its protocol, that cryptocurrency code cannot be changed to produce a different consensus on the state of the world as seen from the blockchain. Of course it can, you just change the code that everyone uses to create that consensus. For varying lengths of strings of zeros required to find "just". The affirmation is that cryptocurrency is about consensus, and that code is law. Consensus at the human level, to be sure. And the code may be changed. But this meta consensus always determined the consensus that results from blockchain mining. This is now a problem for cryptocurrency rather than a mystery... - Rob. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Live Your Models
On Tue, 3 May 2016, at 01:31 PM, Florian Cramer wrote: >[...] >Bitcoin repeats the history of so-called "neoliberalism" precisely >because it _is_ neoliberalism (in the sense we understand the word >today), in its most extreme form of libertarian anarcho-capitalism. In >fact, it is based on the very same economic theories and theorists. >All of it can be read up in Hayek's books. This is true but the dynamics of Bitcoin *adoption* and of Bitcoin as a technological and imaginative *resource* for non-Hayekians cannot be reduced to it. There's a lot of technological determinism in left critiques of Bitcoin... > [...] >I was referring to Srnicek/Williams, Graeber (and implicitly: Bob >Black, the Situationists and other leftist thinkers) who still believe >that automation will abolish work and hence capitalism. From my >perspective, this expectation is based on naive cyber utopias; the >same naive cyber utopias that are nowadays propagated by the >'Singularity'/transhumanist movement and popular figures like Jeremy >Rifkin Srnicek & Williams are calling for full automation and (welfare state) UBI precisely because they know that automation as currently pursued *won't* abolish work and therefore capitalism. It's an attempt to seize the initiative (as part of a wider project). Nick Land regards this kind of thing as an off-ramp on the way to the Singularity, so these ideas cannot be lumped together too neatly. The realization of a right-Transhumanism is pretty much inevitable thanks to the US Military's emphasis on NBIC. And we're all cyborgs now anyway. We just live in a naive cyber dystopia. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: de Jong, Lovink, and Riemens: 10 Bitcoin Myths
On 2015-11-30 11:06, nettime's_forgotten_password wrote: >1. "Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer system." It is. Anyone can (and should) run a full node. Doubly so if they're concerned about centralisation. >2. "Bitcoin does away with intermediaries and fees." There are no necessary intermediaries in transactions. You can submit transactions with no fees. >3. "Bitcoin is an alternative currency." Speculation and use as a wire currency do not alter the status of a currency, otherwise there would be no such thing as the US dollar. >4. "Bitcoin is not a fiat currency." As it is not created by state or any other fiat. >5. "Bitcoin is anonymous." No legal or social identities are involved in transactions. But if it helps, we can say that it's pseudonymous. >6. "Bitcoin is secure and cannot be hacked." As far as we know at this time. Forgetting keys is a separate issue that is addressed by multisig, hardware wallets, or writing down your passphrase and putting it with your birth certificate and insurance details. >7. "Bitcoin operates without trust." Between people at the level of transactions. >8. "Bitcoin is politically neutral." It cannot be used at the protocol level to enforce state or social political objectives. >9. "Bitcoin is a sustainable system." Block size increases, sidechains and other developments address energy usage... >10. "Bitcoin can scale to world size." ... and scalability. 1, 2, 5, 6, and 10 are *technical* critiques that have been made and addressed internally by the Bitcoin community. 7 is philosophically interesting, 8 is politically interesting. Nick Land on both is fun. - Rob. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Claire Bishop’s Game: Sub
On 23/06/15 12:42 AM, Armin Medosch wrote: it is indeed perplexing that Bishop manages to write a pretty good book about participation whilst leaving out any mentioning of media art or digital art or whatever you call it. Possibly the reception of their earlier views on digital art didn't encourage them to revisit the subject. :-) http://furtherfield.org/blog/patrick-lichty/disjointed-conversation-%E2%80%93-claire-bishop-digital-divide-and-state-new-media-conte # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Hackers can't solve Surveillance
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/15 07:55 PM, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: no amount of 20th century politics will solve this. Well, 19th Century... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUqKZaAAoJECciMUAZd2dZj/IIALHSKNEuxGJ1sx1sG+0nhwBj 3e88VD2+6tSazb2SMacR2tA1CLBk4m16BZGKaO5nKvTF8AdpUjtERrH6K+66RL2R DjI5PJeZjxZ1aiHi1hZHz4yjc94i8w0rU0Ago0dT9/fusyvpIax+v6vec/2qNEm+ AU4jsLwYq6hcgGwsZwFUVqrdITY383OF0oZAB4XDeB2eTy4N7d+bGaad/3flnDTE lHTCQDXwbR1yPK8osfK+btP8PbtwGykrYtR9bV+I/696Wa3EyB1GpgYDpjSuEa30 LyvzniuFTdUWBoliHJBgpxmaYAe8ugZrQUcFbcyZr9927p7B1Rqx5D5AIGDcG4M= =KTms -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime GCHQ Director: The web is a terrorist's command-and-control
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/11/14 08:17 PM, nettime's_zentral_kommittee wrote: the internet grew out of the values of western democracy, not vice versa. Unlike the mushrooms at GCHQ. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUWDrpAAoJECciMUAZd2dZ/fsH/jY1JHwJ0g9NomtTiFuissC9 07w7z8eB1p/x9PrvPrHTzp+ZIlB5ckYmMaAzJFqOwT1BOICYriYalXQhe2kLaXpa l+47/z1eizd0xk4MTWOnnbJRQz/KEfxk/GR68P34tKy31zUk10Minoccz18dLcOp qapcryh17tbQz8qABiZySsqB9iQpxLQEcvOWkhB0DwHpcA4NQH/kzMjSU+UPPx9o 6aD4xplly8nqsv8+tPQ7YFusC5tenL2OkuEUQboLZwZ/niM8+OkaxCIbe9fSYoey QCspMBbXANGljE0rBSPgk/GGBed+u6jGQKys4Yg1K3iQqGDX2K1p4KEFQvBdmqI= =0hsX -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov and the Perils of Highbrow Journalism
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14/10/14 03:17 AM, Geert Lovink wrote: Will this scandal be the beginning of his downfall? Morozov has dealt in second-hand goods since his conversion. I've never met anyone he's fooled. So I'm not sure what his downfall would entail. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUPri1AAoJECciMUAZd2dZhqEH/1KosqAi4nUiezF5TX04ORpz jprqNEQJD3Z9QRlVznQQu5RKWbLQ5ZCwjKtWz5wlMCJMUBF3GH1M/aeEsGy6Aw4B F53lwiH0R3w+2vMhWXG6/F2d1/IHnM/+8+gI5I9scIhkNHoyO7DWo923eWD1A2lB PyLtQhLdWI0g0xG4oVwzJk+mObYdB3kRxytQYxsXBEoQQcANeUyHmQZVabJ5xFIU gLJR8Kin73NROxnxzTQXlC545riwT0+FMN88y19yF/fiDIIQwF+OKuBpTwKu93DH pmg4Mo/8j019DpBCVCGrXDv79Xzp9Sb6AkZY/xhDPAfNYYkz4Bt/W+1Wb6Pu+ks= =xcRA -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov: How much for your data? (LMD)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/08/14 06:37 AM, Patrice Riemens wrote: by Evgeny Morozov [...] The realisation that data produced by everyday appliances, smart toothbrushes or smart toilets, can be monetised has produced an interesting resistance against the data-hoarding attitudes of Silicon Valley giants, who mint billions while we only get free services. A populist critique has emerged: let’s challenge these data monopolies and replace them with small-scale entrepreneurs. Each of us can become a freelance data stockbroker with our own portfolio — selling access to our genome if a pharmaceutical company needs it, or disclosing our location for a discount at a local restaurant. The flaw with this, both in its capitalist hey come let us get rich from your data version and socialist critiques of it which assume merely that the wrong person is going to get rich from our data, is that data is only as valuable as the person it represents. The density map of the value of data under would-be telemetric capitalism looks suspiciously like the density map of existing wealth. We're all in static vehicles, but an awful lot of us are driving Trabants. Locking your data up in a datastore written in Boston or Berlin rather than Mountain View or the Bay Area doesn't change that. If data is treated as property, strong property rights and modern enforcement technologies should ensure that no third party gets a free ride. But simply protesting that these property rights will be monetized by the wrong person isn't going to go anywhere, although it will feel good to have that argument. we might ask why the commodity status of information is accepted so uncritically. Because it appeals to the vanity of both right and left. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT+kdqAAoJECciMUAZd2dZZVsH/116rTWKLm2aKT8Ece8SfOvs hOAi+9CWrjn/0GUDjBZJQZWZO2Lo2EAg6HSD8XbOIp1jZOFPz0Pnqvn0wx66Gtu1 rAQJvTQ7yoieqDXiYEu9OO9MYPV6aGvW8V34pkBZaMJc+a4PGn6oxvgyIzcD7DpS HUD8YvMd3Qd+0gXGBdN04iF4mSAGdbqT1neRl7iAeNGi85GdfNxz7+Yzq5xO+z9y VkklPLU0hnSvPvgL7bDvYS/emcwU4AvYhinJjVBRrV3A+rt4380d+awkBY7YlxMw vpcIuCboBWQhkekjQGWt1fNZKM0WWy24/5ORT+9pz9Twoswjd2oS1mZYgWTgPd4= =ye4I -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime paying users for their data
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/07/14 02:29 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: Now this is obviously the roughest of ballpark estimates you can make -- and I would be happy to see a better one -- but on the face of it, it seems to indicate that viewing one personal data as an economic asset is really a lousy idea, In as much as they constitute fixed capital, algorithms such as Google's Page Rank and Facebook's Edgerank appear 'as a presupposition against which the value-creating power of the individual labour capacity is an infinitesimal, vanishing magnitude'.( Marx 1973: 694) and that is why calls for individual retributions to users for their 'free labor' are misplaced. It is clear that for Marx what needs to be compensated is not the individual work of the user, but the much larger powers of social cooperation thus unleashed and that this compensation implies a profound transformation of the grip that the social relation that we call the capitalist economy has on society. http://quaderni.sanprecario.info/2014/02/red-stack-attack-algorithms-capital-and-the-automation-of-the-common-di-tiziana-terranova/ no matter how you slice it. If a person's personal data is economically valuable to the degree required for it to be anything more than a negligible source of passive income, the rest of their life(style) will be less workerish and more megastarish. If people want minimum wage for Tweeting then I want minimum wage plus benefits for reading their arguments. Facebook-workerism is creepy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT0zxpAAoJECciMUAZd2dZ2qMH/ApHQTqV99A+g0M7hqZW8WoR 9ZSxlnFrRSbRSArtUm9r5izacZsxsOyhm2AE8eFg83l933ZPLiMB7tNOgU31cETs p913/CV0qLYBYfptaSFSbL7qYadDt9eSlljtSZRTWZw0MAXYaPAoxRZmo5RrxwY/ 6vjoVEVvivP9bZHRsQL0VrL8PtI1N2HV1PjhqqA33Jc1xQx2QIY8fU5kGJcHnpIN teC0Ps2L3xvNb+4bTbpc3rPpGGx1d7XUk/cTiw++4uLb2K2rtHTmA2ko9g0G0+/o LrEBRQ6cEBUeXoU6XZKBN4WwoVPebCSm9kyBRKmCeuGSg5TY/bmyordeLH2Byv8= =r8ML -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Evgeny Morozov: The rise of data and the death of politics
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/14 11:38 AM, Patrice Riemens wrote: Algorithmic regulation, whatever its immediate benefits, will give us a political regime where technology corporations and government bureaucrats call all the shots. It depends how the algorithms are created and regulated. Much like existing legal and logistical practice. If corporations and governments have the power to determine the content of algorithmic regulation (sic), then Morozov's laundering existing power structures with his techno-dystopianism. There are non-state/corporate visions of algorithmic regulation: https://www.ethereum.org/ but the current crop of cybercritics have imaginations that stretch all the way from Google to the US government and back again, with any apparent alternatives lumped in with the former to avoid making things messy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTzu8MAAoJECciMUAZd2dZTbcH/24iqiCsgyWHLGEXc0mOT66/ Uqb1U451Y2zzQy3sqdhHeThiLAjJI2XsiQX6lOE/h+leJt9uR37YxcwX97LXwjWj RNWzB5j5sjZJMq6LR7A83u+zm0jCUFzapL2k/dLtcATMdWn0GYCYC3Aya0muwnac vvsU0uGufaHda1zAN/A0JbVj6IY5sFEk7bRXP2yB5HmDR/0+5mP/l3IWiUkm5AKB 7VvXE9O/JtU91aYTWK7RcVyAXkEx3mdg7TK9Iix1vh4qT1SDeu/+JEjqtxQFzWCd fgdgF+fzpHonxVDY/+b7IffWMms/OHtoVoVGs12uXsqTi+QyJDJA1S8Z3F3t3fA= =IL3V -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Nick Montfort: The Facepalm at the End of the Mind
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15/07/14 12:19 AM, nettime_2.0 wrote: * You know how Facebook is, well, a company, a for-profit corporation? Given the apparent moral carte blanch it afford, the temptation to incorporate has never been stronger. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTxGk0AAoJECciMUAZd2dZn2YH/0GkCGS6LJWdJZ33upTWU1fj eKUDjvmPDLQur8o+/u5aiurjlYy9N23CNfHL3ECUIBbu75ELtN3guMgrUymBQ9s5 7eya3EASjV6Vn9YXU++/htXTGCzz0rT/1AT2/uDHs0KZu2KRZOHh+91Mo4DNCqcd nozbFR8/Jm62DAg/e2q8ArdWPs4cYWdF7m+oJwCobpza5aHC24icwTMmPsfT/05Z ihM7sDJUZAnCmTYgA4jljGVJN829uRzvJ/BWdQQ7BG17ZTAcxfmTuonMgwxoU9qp pE51ZEn9c9UmR8h5CShbmWwqbv+RbqAPrI+ctNXqmE+vKZw1EZkR/JRlouuB+Ds= =5UFE -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime a free letter to cultural institutions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Florian Cramer: I'd be very interested to hear why a punk band wouldn't want to release music under a free license. For example, because it doesn't want - for political reasons - its music to end up on Spotify, Google or similar corporate services, against which free licenses provide no means of intervention. Other than not allowing the sublicensing that these services require. Or because it wants to retain a means of preventing that work is being politically misappropriated. For example, if the punk band were the Dead Kennedys, and it would have released California Uber Alles under a truly free license, it would have no means to intervene if a Neonazi band performed the same song with no irony intended. They have no means of intervening under the standard cover license terms anyway. They may under moral rights. Which Creative Commons licenses explicitly reserve for the author. A punk band that gives either of these as reasons for not adopting a Free Culture license is ignorant of the operation of those licenses, of the distribution models that have evolved under pressure from the recording industry, and of the history of punk's antagonistic (rather than merely puritan, as you note below) relationship with the record industry. The great rock roll swindle is alive and well on Spotify: http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=3698956 The punk band example is relatively harmless. For software developers, any kind of free license (free according to the criteria of FSF and Debian, respectively Open Source according to the OSI criteria) gives no whatsoever means to prevent that the software/the code is used for military purposes, by secret services like the NSA (whose infrastructure is running on free software to a large degree), or for the clouds of Facebook, Google c., for racial profiling and, in the most extreme case, genocide logistics. Does the military use Free Software? Of course. It is free to do so. Do people who seek to resist the military use Free Software? Of course. They are free to do so. Who is one of the largest sponsors of Free Software? The military. The effect of this is that the military are paying to write the software that is used to oppose them. This is a feature, not a bug, of Free Software. TOR is a direct example of a military Free Software project, Red Hat's development of GNU/Linux paid for in no small part by military support contracts is a more indirect one. The activist dream of sulking the military into submission by refusing to let them use Free Software is therefore economically illiterate. Furthermore the activist dream of sulking the military into submission through licenses that refuse to allow the military to use resources that the rest of society are free to use ignores the role of the military in disaster response. If the military are free to use (e.g.) OpenStreetMap and must return improvements to the resource as a condition of using it, where state and commercial maps are lacking this leads to a virtuous circle of improvement of a Free resource. This is something that has already happened. And yes, Free Software can be used in genocide logistics. So can proprietary software, and if a state or group are considering butchering their citizens or neighbours then they're really not going to care about an anti-genocide software license either. In those circumstances, resources for defeating the ability to commit genocide either through military intervention or through the dissemination of information to at-risk individuals are vital. Free Software is a resource for frustrating the logistics of genocide that can only be diminished by reducing military contributions to it. The problem is that all these applications fall within the freedom of free software, That's correct. the right to use software for any purpose, which ultimately means freedom as in free market. If there is no other freedom it's not clear how activists are free to challenge the free market. The capitalist will after all sell you the rope you need to hang them. There are many people in the hacker community, such as Felix von Leitner from Chaos Computer Club (also developer of dietlibc), who are now thinking critically about this aspect. I look forward to seeing the discriminatory licenses that they come up with. -, it would, under your model, be banned from all punk venues to perform. Good. That would fit hardcore punk and straight edge culture with their close cultural and historical affinities to puritanism. This is a classic example of the kind of scarce, auratic merchandise that freely licensed non-scarce digital media and live performances can drive sales of (or see their costs offset by). The license on it can't make it any less desirable to anyone who isn't at the gig than it already is. It can however give it more of the iconoclastic attitude that will make it
Re: nettime a free letter to cultural digest [2x]
- Forwarded message from Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: nettime a free letter to cultural institutions Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:03:13 + To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 morlockel...@yahoo.com: licensing makes no difference anyway - nazis will use the stuff regardless of licensing. I do despair at people who don't get this and/or wish to exert more control over third party use of their work through an alternative copyright license than they would otherwise be able to. The whole licensing paradigm in this market looks more like a cargo cult: if I attach some 'free/community/fair' license to my stuff maybe the real money will land. Promotion is a thing. As is confusing the economics of the recording and visual artist. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTnz9iAAoJECciMUAZd2dZGTsIAMFEnrL6rv2Q1JP1wcZvu/Mx l3ZAeTisBKl2DCwv0p8m/XTHpawEMyayKTiUa3ia6eIWXrOa2AlYFxfghatjB6qN j7L2hMmVbcbN4q6lWev0l5jGkHNipTWs7kNebkvmrheSu4nuFprOW+Bfx2jzrF9j dLVBpoW06gdWmdoZMJW5txyW+HhnqA4oOvnhcYfF37Gv8xbHycOZx8SciIZziKUx YPDFUe3TaV0kzW1r6hILZNfp6Dxm9Gq8pzXBET1L1xsLt1QP+J/XkiiKL3sGyxG9 LUlvwG2iLUyq6G+qdPBQM+JAxCa5ezSGSpVKKuHOEwMZWmwZSzu0cN32jSVv9LE= =B4Bj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - End forwarded message - - Forwarded message from Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: nettime a free letter to cultural institutions Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:13:42 + To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Aymeric Mansoux: Rob Myers said : Florian Cramer: If, for example, a punk band would decide that it is not releasing its recordings under a free license - for which it might have sound political arguments I'd be very interested to hear why a punk band wouldn't want to release music under a free license. I think that what Florian is hinting is that there is something terribly wrong in imposing a certain distribution model and copyright practice upon artists. Florian's a copyright abolitionist? ;-D This would put free culture in the same camp as the one they are opposing. After all, a lot of free culture supporters have been charmed by the opportunity it gives to get some control back over intellectual property mechanisms that have been already decided for them and are hardly mutable (at least not as fast as it takes to listen to a good punk song ;) If we work for reform we're also working to impose a certain model on people... And then, there is of course some practices that just cannot work with free culture licenses. Say for instance someone or group supporting illegalism or anti-copyright practices releasing something under a copyright supporting mechanism like free culture licenses, would be rather odd. It does not remove the fact that, yes, as sadly proven with all the anti-copyright works made in the past that are now copyrighted, the anti-copyright position is a difficult one to hold these days, but that does not mean one should not be able to turn that into a valid artistic statement either. Anti-copyright is just copyright. As is post-licensing. Each time a GitHub user posts about licenses being permission culture, God kills a parrot. I admit I hadn't considered illegal art (despite having made some myself...). There's also the issue of out-of copyright or copyright-waived works, although these are open to recapture by copyright and other measures and I don't find them to be the panacea that some people I greatly respect do. But yes the statement would benefit from being updated to reflect these issues. There's much more to Free Culture than licenses, although that's no excuse for any project to get them wrong. ;-) To clarify: At WORM, we have fostered, (co-)hosted and co-instigated a whole range of free culture projects, such as the Hotglue and now SuperGlue web site creation system, the Libre Graphics Research Unit, the Free?! conference last fall, I attended Free?!, it was excellent. Thanks! :D There is a draft video edit of the whole evening conference. Hopefully, we can put online the final version before the end of the year. Oh cool, I look forward to that. I do share your wistfulness regarding the state of Free Culture. But I'm unwilling to turn the lights off just yet. - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTn0/hAAoJECciMUAZd2dZgikIAI5B3M89hWMVZj/y4xNuFzy/ M2i22hyYoVokNWhx+Sr8Dt4gzdeUykHrNB5pAqK0GzPWZXRhZVjxUbATEgKEMAoj sm9YfQ+C7SYoQ4kkX48IQ+ipxOwwnzuhZjQ/s1k1thTycKXuDNbfGQ38OUz0mpXb OvV5jffQmSRYuhl7Q+JmQwLWmogWAsRiR3PPmsr0vzHGnLSafl442DEqFcpLq+uM wP9655LKgkucvEd/PBE2DtjKWvJmnS5YfdLH7y9r/DY/eurs1t7oA2nE8tuGbHk0 F8bbWb77bRg+3GuMSRIEWcM7elXo43xUGEJ4j6oqtUwYR9eM5IExjNilb41ULFk= =HYm1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - End forwarded message - # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated
Re: nettime a free letter to cultural digest [2x]
- Forwarded message from Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: nettime a free letter to cultural institutions Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:03:13 + To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 morlockel...@yahoo.com: licensing makes no difference anyway - nazis will use the stuff regardless of licensing. I do despair at people who don't get this and/or wish to exert more control over third party use of their work through an alternative copyright license than they would otherwise be able to. The whole licensing paradigm in this market looks more like a cargo cult: if I attach some 'free/community/fair' license to my stuff maybe the real money will land. Promotion is a thing. As is confusing the economics of the recording and visual artist. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTnz9iAAoJECciMUAZd2dZGTsIAMFEnrL6rv2Q1JP1wcZvu/Mx l3ZAeTisBKl2DCwv0p8m/XTHpawEMyayKTiUa3ia6eIWXrOa2AlYFxfghatjB6qN j7L2hMmVbcbN4q6lWev0l5jGkHNipTWs7kNebkvmrheSu4nuFprOW+Bfx2jzrF9j dLVBpoW06gdWmdoZMJW5txyW+HhnqA4oOvnhcYfF37Gv8xbHycOZx8SciIZziKUx YPDFUe3TaV0kzW1r6hILZNfp6Dxm9Gq8pzXBET1L1xsLt1QP+J/XkiiKL3sGyxG9 LUlvwG2iLUyq6G+qdPBQM+JAxCa5ezSGSpVKKuHOEwMZWmwZSzu0cN32jSVv9LE= =B4Bj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - End forwarded message - - Forwarded message from Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org - From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: nettime a free letter to cultural institutions Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:13:42 + To: nettime-l@mail.kein.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Aymeric Mansoux: Rob Myers said : Florian Cramer: If, for example, a punk band would decide that it is not releasing its recordings under a free license - for which it might have sound political arguments I'd be very interested to hear why a punk band wouldn't want to release music under a free license. I think that what Florian is hinting is that there is something terribly wrong in imposing a certain distribution model and copyright practice upon artists. Florian's a copyright abolitionist? ;-D This would put free culture in the same camp as the one they are opposing. After all, a lot of free culture supporters have been charmed by the opportunity it gives to get some control back over intellectual property mechanisms that have been already decided for them and are hardly mutable (at least not as fast as it takes to listen to a good punk song ;) If we work for reform we're also working to impose a certain model on people... And then, there is of course some practices that just cannot work with free culture licenses. Say for instance someone or group supporting illegalism or anti-copyright practices releasing something under a copyright supporting mechanism like free culture licenses, would be rather odd. It does not remove the fact that, yes, as sadly proven with all the anti-copyright works made in the past that are now copyrighted, the anti-copyright position is a difficult one to hold these days, but that does not mean one should not be able to turn that into a valid artistic statement either. Anti-copyright is just copyright. As is post-licensing. Each time a GitHub user posts about licenses being permission culture, God kills a parrot. I admit I hadn't considered illegal art (despite having made some myself...). There's also the issue of out-of copyright or copyright-waived works, although these are open to recapture by copyright and other measures and I don't find them to be the panacea that some people I greatly respect do. But yes the statement would benefit from being updated to reflect these issues. There's much more to Free Culture than licenses, although that's no excuse for any project to get them wrong. ;-) To clarify: At WORM, we have fostered, (co-)hosted and co-instigated a whole range of free culture projects, such as the Hotglue and now SuperGlue web site creation system, the Libre Graphics Research Unit, the Free?! conference last fall, I attended Free?!, it was excellent. Thanks! :D There is a draft video edit of the whole evening conference. Hopefully, we can put online the final version before the end of the year. Oh cool, I look forward to that. I do share your wistfulness regarding the state of Free Culture. But I'm unwilling to turn the lights off just yet. - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTn0/hAAoJECciMUAZd2dZgikIAI5B3M89hWMVZj/y4xNuFzy/ M2i22hyYoVokNWhx+Sr8Dt4gzdeUykHrNB5pAqK0GzPWZXRhZVjxUbATEgKEMAoj sm9YfQ+C7SYoQ4kkX48IQ+ipxOwwnzuhZjQ/s1k1thTycKXuDNbfGQ38OUz0mpXb OvV5jffQmSRYuhl7Q+JmQwLWmogWAsRiR3PPmsr0vzHGnLSafl442DEqFcpLq+uM wP9655LKgkucvEd/PBE2DtjKWvJmnS5YfdLH7y9r/DY/eurs1t7oA2nE8tuGbHk0 F8bbWb77bRg+3GuMSRIEWcM7elXo43xUGEJ4j6oqtUwYR9eM5IExjNilb41ULFk= =HYm1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - End forwarded message - # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated
Re: nettime a free letter to cultural institutions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Florian Cramer: I disagree with this letter since I am working for a small cultural venue (WORM in Rotterdam) myself and see a discrepancy between good intentions and not-so-good practical consequences. First of all: the release of work as free culture (according to the standards of freedomdefined.org or the FSF Free Software Definition) should be intrinsically motivated and a decision of those who created the work. It should not something forced upon by an institution/venue which would then use its institutional power to force upon modalities of distribution - i.e. you can't play/exhibit/work here if your work isn't released under a free license. It is not upon an institution to dictate ways of distribution outside that institution. If, for example, a punk band would decide that it is not releasing its recordings under a free license - for which it might have sound political arguments I'd be very interested to hear why a punk band wouldn't want to release music under a free license. -, it would, under your model, be banned from all punk venues to perform. Good. This would re-inject some much needed political attitude. This would boil down to the creation and enforcement of purity laws, the typical knee-jerk reflex of the radical left and trap into which it is running into again and again. To clarify: At WORM, we have fostered, (co-)hosted and co-instigated a whole range of free culture projects, such as the Hotglue and now SuperGlue web site creation system, the Libre Graphics Research Unit, the Free?! conference last fall, I attended Free?!, it was excellent. a number of Crypto Parties; our office computers run on GNU/Linux and our streaming server streams Ogg Vorbis. But we also don't think that it is forbidden if an underground band sells its self-made small edition LP after a concert with no whatsoever free license because it can't live from the kind of artists' fees we pay. This is a classic example of the kind of scarce, auratic merchandise that freely licensed non-scarce digital media and live performances can drive sales of (or see their costs offset by). The license on it can't make it any less desirable to anyone who isn't at the gig than it already is. It can however give it more of the iconoclastic attitude that will make it desirable to punks. - - Rob. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJTmnetAAoJECciMUAZd2dZ3foH/iGQeO5L4OyE5EkEmzNLecwe vpv0FOKi2Kk15quK8R7yXLwok1fRxEwFrdxqwpQZ4jcizR3qSUiqlWEWWPonh50y tlZJukd2nQWY5K68FwzLC6vS9fMYAKq4gjAb5aohZYxBdgCUd/WWzbQmE0E4LHha vb/gLiU5nb3ZKHC9c9wKlojEZTEWVQuI2FyAmv7E2gmeBpcog3+ON1zlumPRA/oK iUfIYtsKVOk74rs4XHTFtpUCoQDVO7mOud5hj2bQCgcbxPaqW0evtIDIAq1scqhC RckjSg2ToeTlWzA3pd2tR3u5KDvYWe5r0erzmxLkhLmMNoo5l8iphb9N8IiytdY= =vVir -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime do you know the way to san jose digest [x3: hankwitz
On 16/05/14 08:45 AM, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: This is a slippery slope. Wheee! What is natural about diversity, or letting the poor live? It depends how you're reifying them. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
nettime [digest x 2] Re: Ippolita Collective: In the Facebook Aquarium
[digested @ nettime -- mid(tb)] Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Re: nettime Ippolita Collective: In the Facebook Aquarium (Part Re: nettime Ippolita Collective: in the Face Book Aquarium, Part - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:20:26 -0800 From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: nettime Ippolita Collective: In the Facebook Aquarium (Part On 06/02/14 03:03 AM, Mikael Brockman wrote: The very people who construct and maintain Facebook are quite seriously involved with open source software. But not with Free Software... - Rob. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:43:37 -0800 From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org Subject: Re: nettime Ippolita Collective: in the Face Book Aquarium, Part On 11/02/14 11:43 AM, Patrice Riemens wrote: Evgeny Morozov is among those rare authors to have warned against the (dirty) tricks of the Net, as well as against technology-worship and Internet-centrism. No it isn't. - Rob. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Anonymous movement in decline?
On 06/01/14 01:23 PM, Felix Stalder wrote: But this rise and decline meme is a typical media cycle. This. But, even if nobody would ever use the name Anonymous anymore, and all the Guy Fawkes masks would rot in drawers around the world, what would that mean? Decline? Of what exactly? Of an attractor which allowed different actors to coalesce? What happens if a different one appears? I think Anonymous succeeded widely. It politicized a entire generation of people who formed their values and expectations on the internet. Also this. That said, nothing is stopping anyone onlist from acting as Anonymous. I'm sure a way could be found for doing so to count as research points. - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime History of Computer Art, chap. V
On 10/12/13 02:39 PM, Ian Milliss wrote: Have to agree completely, it gets very boring seeing histories that are only about the US and Europe or so called global histories/exhibitions that cover only the US, Europe and a few token Chinese artists. http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2013/12/thomas-drehers-history-of-computer-art/ It amuses me to see people complain that his history is “too German.” That’s exactly what’s great about it. I’m staggered by the meticulous attention to detail in Dreher’s compendium. I’m quite the fan of media history, but really, ten of me couldn’t write a book like this. +1 # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime GoldieBlox, fair use, and the cult of disruption
On 03/12/13 01:37 AM, nettime's avid reader wrote: most importantly, they have a long-standing policy that no Beastie Boys songs shall ever be used in commercial advertisements. (They don’t mention, although they could, that this last was actually an explicit dying wish of Adam Yauch, a/k/a MCA, and an integral part of his will.) For fans of the Beastie Boys, GoldieBlox don't seem to know very much about them (or how to use apostrophes): We want you to know that when we posted the video, we were completely unaware that the late, great Adam Yauch had requested in his will that the Beastie Boys songs never be used in advertising. http://gigaom.com/2013/11/27/goldieblox-removes-beastie-boys-lyrics-from-girl-power-video-smart-or-cynical/ GoldieBlox had more of a case than many people think: http://waxy.org/2013/11/goldieblox_and_the_three_mcs/ But if I had to choose a poster child for Fair Use, this certainly wouldn't be it. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime a free letter to the creative commons and for the consideration
On 30/11/13 11:01 AM, Özgür K. wrote: i would also ask you to consider renaming the real free culture licenses you provide as *free culture creative commons license* and more importantly renaming the rest of the cc licenses as *non-free culture creative commons license* or *permission culture creative commons license* if you wish, The possibility of a different brand for non-free CC licenses was discussed as a possibility during the public development of the 4.0 licenses. CC decided not to pursue the idea at this time. :-( # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Renault will remotely lock down electric cars
On 17/11/13 02:30 PM, mez breeze wrote: [From: https://blogs.fsfe.org/gerloff/2013/10/31/renault-will-remotely-lock-down-electric-cars/ ] For a long time, cars were a symbol of freedom and independence. No longer. In its Zoe electric car, car maker Renault apparently has the ability to remotely prevent the battery from charging. And that's more chilling than it sounds. Alison Chaiken spoke about this sort of thing at Libre Planet 2012. Slides here: http://she-devel.com/AlisonChaikenLibrePlanet2012.pdf - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime MediaMOO dead?!
On 16/11/13 01:09 PM, { brad brace } wrote:
A professional community for media researchers.
MediaMOO has been down since maybe the end of July.
I visited it just before it went. While clearing out my house to move
I found my ex partners notebooks containing her object numbers there
so I went to see them.
PMC MOO is also down.
I'd gladly host both.
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Re: nettime Phil Agre: Supporting the Intellectual Life of a Democratic Soc...
On 20/09/13 10:20 AM, newme...@aol.com wrote: Television has *satellites* that BEAM the same propaganda to everyone. The Internet does not. As a result, MEMES don't work any more! (Sorry, Kalle, you can't advertise your way to a revolution anymore.) If we accept meme theory then memes predate mass media. Neil Stephenson had fun with this idea, Susan Blackmore made some more or less testable predictions based on it. Indeed mass media is a meme The advertising imperative in monetizing social media does tend to the condition of broadcast. Although as William Gibson says reliance on broadcasting is now the very definition of a technologically backward society. I do like (or possibly remember) the idea of a Madison Avenue advertising company being tasked with fomenting a revolution. They couldn't come up with anything worse than actual (counter-)revolutionaries. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime dark days
On 12/06/13 09:38, Patrice Riemens wrote: GeziPark, PRISM, ERT shutdown come all as a shock. Some of the saddest specialist responses to PRISM that I've read argue that it isn't a shock and that clever people knew this sort of thing was going on anyway. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Jaron lanier: The Internet destroyed the middle class
On 13/05/13 18:11, Keith Hart wrote: Thanks for posting this. It's a great interview and I downloaded the book onto my Kindle. Lanier's ideas about the middle class as an artificial product of modernity are interesting That sounds similar to Paul Graham's interesting opinions about unions - http://www.paulgraham.com/unions.html # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Essay-Grading Software
On 26/04/13 15:52, newme...@aol.com wrote: Machines will *never* become conscious or emotional or spiritual because none of that is programmed into them. And once it is these won't be hallmarks of humanity, as is always the case with AI. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Means of production: The factory-floor knowledge economy (le monde diplo)
On 23/03/13 19:18, Morlock Elloi wrote: Desktop publishing, now 20+ years old, had the same false premise. Ability to typeset and print at home did not change publishing world much. The same big publishers are making the same money today, and choose what they want to print in pretty much the same way. [...] Once billions of 'tards can print objects at home, the value will go down the drain. You may bury yourself in coffee mugs, gun receivers, dildos, jewelry - it will all be worthless, as photo prints are today. How much are you being paid to write this? # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Response to Academe Is Complicit essay
On 23/01/13 05:04, Lincoln Cushing wrote: By withholding free access to the ultimate goody, the 60 megabyte image file, am I a traitor to the Free Culture Movement? If you want to phrase it in those terms, then yes. - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Privacy, Moglen, @ioerror, #rp12
On 05/09/2012 10:31 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 10:45:33PM +0100, Rob Myers wrote: On 05/08/2012 05:52 PM, Morlock Elloi wrote: The curiously absent question is why there should be social media in the first place, and 'media' in general. Lascaux. Notice that memes and image macros are a regression to pictorial signs. Image macros are an indexical and ironic discourse of interrelated images put into tension with text. I'm not sure that images represent a regression, post-dating language as they do. - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
On 08/03/12 16:13, miltosmane...@gmail.com wrote: I absolutely agree. .art is simply ridiculous, who wants to be called .art? Various of my bots, and several projects I have in mind to critique the prevalent informal institutional theory. :-) - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime What do you think about .art?
Also, I demand a .marx domain. - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Occupy Wall Street and the Left
On 19/01/12 15:09, Flick Harrison wrote: Just to bring this back to digital technology... Kodak filed for bankruptcy today. We're halfway to Cory Doctorow's Makers. :-) - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime My Lawyer is an Artist
On 15/11/11 10:15, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: IMHO nothing can stop a pruducer from changing his mind for the future. They cannot however prevent the people who have received copies of their work under a licence offering that work to other people under the same licence. So yes the artist can stop offering the work under that licence, but they'll have a hard time suppressing it. - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime No JSTOR downloads or bicycle-helmet-masks for you
On 23/07/11 21:11, David Golumbia wrote: watch out everyone... if you're not very careful, this story may make your ideology start to show. Threatening someone with 35 years imprisonment for a case that had already been settled by the parties involved in order to send a message seems pretty ideological to me. by the way, do we academics in the activist SWARTZ'S humble judgment have the right to any compensation at all for our years of labor? If you haven't been compensated for your years of labour I suggest having a word with either your union or your HR department. and he DEFINITELY didn't intend steal. how dare you attack him for stealing. I've just checked and all the articles still seem to be on JSTOR. Nothing has been stolen. - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: nettime Aaron Swartz charged for downloading too many Journal articles from the Library: Please sign suport petition.
On 20/07/11 14:33, Nick wrote: wire fraud (for obtaining property) [count 1], That's one of the things they went after Steve Kurtz for in the end... - Rob. # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
