Today's Topics:
1. Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse (Andreas Broeckmann)
2. Re: Moving Nettime to the Fediverse (Geoffrey Goodell)
3. Moving Nettime (Michael Benson)
4. Re: Moving Nettime (Molly Hankwitz)
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Dear Andreas,
I respectfully disagree with your characterisation of my remarks.
For the avoidance of doubt, I believe that the list maintainers do wish to
support the community, which is precisely why I believe that they will share
the information needed to preserve continuity of the list with
Folks,
Maybe, more productively, and as Allan has suggested, people can write
small reports here about how (exactly) they are using the new Mastodon
instance, and what their experiences are. I'd find that useful, and
maybe it's a good time to learn and play together.
Regards,
-a
PS:
Dear Allan and all,
The wishful thinking on the part of the list maintainers was:
(a) that they would be forgiven for growing weary of running the service; AND
(b) that they would also continue to enjoy the self-gratification from
volunteering to provide infrastructure support to the community.
Dear All,
I think Mastodon has certain things going for it but the experience is
very different from the Nettime LIST...
The group who orchestrated the change in environments should have
prepared users for the change and described a framework on how this
change could work. To suddenly
dear all,
from someone who rarely post to the list, but follows it almost since
the beginnig - as andreas was accurate, i only join him now:
On 2022. 12. 06. 21:20, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:
, i know that for me personally the move of nettime away from e-mail
would mean that i would, after
Hello all,
I think it is worth stating, again, that the folks who have initiated
this move stated the following:
"Nettime was founded at a time when, as quaint as it sounds, email was exciting.
That's long since gone for those who experienced it, let alone for those who
didn't.
folks,
i'll just chip in my 2 cents worth: i hear the different arguments, i
see the problems of the nettime project as it is (just look at the
apparent demographics of those responding to this thread!), and i would
probably abstain from a vote on the issue just because i'm in more than
two
I must say I totally agree with the reflections of Paul and others on the
value of a mailing list. Paul, you'd be interested to know that nettime was
originally a "text-filtering list" [ie, long texts] devoted to the
"immanent critique of the networks." The latter has sometimes been carried
out
I like nettime for its long-form discourse (long enough and short enough to
read online).
There is also a longitudinal sense that is absent elsewhere. I share
concerns that this might collapse into the aforementioned sphere of
extinction and should perhaps be preserved/conserved in a living sense
Beyond the comparison between email and social media lies that between computer
and telephone. While some forms of social media were created for computer web
browsing before the arrival of (so-called) smart phones, today the latter
constitute the favoured medium of delivery for social media.
Hello,
As the Mod Squad said:
"This is a chance to move beyond nettime's shrinking in-group, so feel free to
invite others. Our goal is to keep tldr to a size where the local timeline
remains a useful tool for an actual, not rhetorical, community; how big that is
remains to be seen."
Seriously d.garcia! What a moderators ploy, and all the putti are coming out,
shedding angelic little wings of delight about how much we enjoy the lust…im
only 25, and rarely post on nettime but do like reading a few cranky
masterworks now and again. i got bigger fish to fry…low tech/high
There's a discontinuity in social media posts, and quite a bit of
attention-shifting, so Mastodon might not be the best solution - though
migration away from email does make sense. I find that I don't follow email
lists well - that might just be me, but I get so many thousands of pieces
of email
Hello!
Just to raise my hand for "mailing list": I prefer emails and mailing
lists since I really like the features of email clients. A large white
space for writing is just great, and it is good to write without a
limited number of characters.
As a side remark: If emails are really that
Hi list,
Point of order: The fediverse runs on the ActivityPub protocol, which is
specified and standardized in a W3C Recoomendation, which, while not ideal, and
not covering the server-to-client end of things, still is a good effort, and at
least as thorough and well-defined as the initial
Dear all,
I am grateful for the debate over many years on nettime-l. I also enjoy
everything that goes with email as a medium. But I quit all social
handles back in 2010 when Geert called to join him on Quit Facebook Day,
and I think I won't return to any platform, even if it is run as a
As I’m curious as to how well and how long and how populated the fediverse
might end up being in terms of a step beyond corporate social media , I will
definitely try the experiment. But I do wonder how all the servers and needed
programming can be supported without the horrors connected with
Geoff —
Thanks for this. I agree with the outlines of what you say, and with most of
the detail too. Felix and Doma have their own perspectives, so this is just me.
I'm not sure what you mean about a recurring argument, but that's not to
suggest you're mistaken. As a mod, I probably see
Out of the woodwork we come.
My handle is @fl...@social.coop (https://social.coop/@flgnk) which is
a cooperatively run instance. I'm not involved in the organization
side, but as a coop member I think it is safe to say 'we' raise money
for the running of the instance using OpenCollective (
Nothing brings the gently glowing embers of
nettime to life quite like the prospect
of its immanent demise, when the mods launch
one of their cunningly infrequent "shake-em-up"
interventions.
Whatever the outcome of this latest experiment
the kick-up-the-arse alone makes it worthwhile.
Thank
On 2022-11-30 01:34, nettime's mod squad wrote:
Dear nettimers,
Oh wtf why not
https://tldr.nettime.org/web/@dk
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Dmytri Kleiner
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Hi Goeffrey,
from a technical point of view, the problem with mailing lists is twofold.
First, maintaining a mail server has become progressively more work over
the years.
Second, what a mailman mailing list does is, essentially, rewriting the
header, ie making this mail appears as it came
Hello,
This is a good move with exciting possibilities. The fediverse is in an
expansive mood right now with a massive influx of people; an intensely
evolving social space with strong anti-corporate sensibilities. A forest
with trees, paths to be explored - a refreshing landscape with a
Dear Doma, Felix, and Ted
I am confused by your recurring argument that the problem with Nettime is
fundamentally technical in nature, or indeed that there is a problem with
Nettime at all. Speaking personally, Nettime works well for me. I read
interesting commentary from people I respect, with
Dear nettimers,
Nettime was founded at a time when, as quaint as it sounds, email was exciting.
That's long since gone for those who experienced it, let alone for those who
didn't. Discussion-oriented mailing lists like this are, in a word, over,
technically *and* culturally. It's time to think
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