Hi Bronac,
I've always believed in the truism "ars longa, vita brevis". You only
really see what an artwork is in time.
Lev is right that some artworks become hopelessly outdated, or just of
interest as an experiment - a record of a moment. But some are still
highly relevant.
Now, in
Hi James
Points taken.
Thank you.
B
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 17:16, James Wallbank wrote:
> Hi Bronac,
>
> I've always believed in the truism "ars longa, vita brevis". You only
> really see what an artwork is in time.
>
> Lev is right that some artworks become hopelessly outdated, or just of
>
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Sterling book link: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/what-health
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Dear James
Fascinating, but inevitably some thoughts arise
I'd already been viewing Lev's cri de coeur as his Hamlet moment, or better
still, his anthropophagic minute: Tupi or not Tupi, as our Brazilian
forefathers warned us. How to breathe life into old stuff? To regurgitate
the swallowed? To
Hello Nettime!
This conversation is simply *too* *interesting*!
I'm a bit busy right now, but just want to register that I have loads of
responses.
What is "digital art"? Where is the boundary between digital art and art
that engages with the digital?
The artworks that I and my friends
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:26:40 -0400, v...@voyd.com wrote:
Steve, thanks for this, and yeah, the Tactical Media Electric Kool-Aid Acid
Test was a great trip. What a ride, and it might not be done. However.
This might seem like the biggest non-committal answer possible, but I see
Hello,
Thanks Molly for your Sunday post...
allan
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Before the digital cultures insurgency of the 1990s the previous decade
had seen a similar burst of excitement around so called video art. Like
"new media” or digital cultures movement the power of the video moment
came from the breadth of its reach and multiple touch points in art,
political
Great postings, Brian, Molly, John and so many others.
Lev or no Lev, the whereabouts of new media arts occupy us here, for a reason.
From a political and personal perspective the opening up of a new communication
medium offers unheard possibilities. Then things close down and the real
As I understand it, Lev Manovich set out to define New Media Art using
modernist criteria - notably the tautological gesture whereby the artwork
refers to its own components, or its so-called "conditions of possibility."
However, as Steve Kurtz, Molly Hankwitz and John Hopkins have pointed out,
On 20/Sep/20 14:12, Molly Hankwitz wrote:
Dear Geert, Lev, nettime...ok, I take the bait...!!!
thanks Molly, et al...
Important point -- that the use of networked/digital communications tools was
the core (or at least peripheral) for some 'digital' works -- most of them
forgotten -- except
Art, or "art," has become so ubiquitous it is a challenge to avoid
it, like pervasive mania for science in the early 20th century
succeeded religion as a must have, and political ideology a
compulsory requirement of sclerotic intelligentialism. CBD-Tech art,
digital or 3D crafting, or
Dear Geert, Lev, nettime...ok, I take the bait...!!!
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:38 AM Geert Lovink wrote:
> URL or not but this is too good, and too important for nettimers, not to
> read and discuss. These very personal and relevant observations come from a
> public Facebook page and have
CAE's 30+ years of action,
> and feel lucky to have worked with such great colleagues in the struggle, and
> I don't even need Prozac to feel that way.
>
> SK
>
> From: nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org
> <mailto:nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org> <mailto:nettime-l-b
>From a private chat thread of 30 young artists, writers, researchers..
In response to Levs post, first added to the chat with the comment:
I think Lev is having an existential crisis
Person A: I see real people, not ideas and meaningless sounds of
yet another electronic music performance, or
After my first visit to Riga in 1999 I mentioned to my aunt that we went
to the Jugendstil quarter that Mikhail Eisenstein, father of Sergei
Eisenstein, built there.
She told me that this was considered a quaint and dated part of the city
because of the "old-fashioned architecture" when she
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Hello out there!
Thanks to Lev Manovich to start this discussion!
I also wanna make a short statement here:
Digital art is the art form of rapid change. In my opinion, not only the
artistic investigation of new technologies is available as a field of work.
Rather, digital art should also
Hi all,
I think I have to make a statement here as well. Digital Art is my profession
since 1988, and I prefer to create art instead of talking about it. But there
are lots of important points in Lev Manovich s post.
Yes, it is important to have feelings & passion in the digital art. And as a
hi all,
I just visited the superb exhibition at the Stedelijk Museum in Mokum of Nam
June Paik, and while some of the work feels a bit dated - most of it felt
vibrant, topical, fun, over the top (in a good way), relevant, at times
endearing, then again poetic even outrageous, nostalgic in
Dears,
The problem of Ars Electronica is known for a long time. It adds
up. It can't however not be generalized for the field, as Olia
already pointed out. What might be at stake is a discussion about
festival culture. As much as I value festivals as a meeting
"Sad by Manovich" or "Sad by Ars Electronica" ;)
Six false statements in four sentences is a lot!
"New media art never deals with human life, and this is why it does not enter
museums. It's our fault. Don't blame curators or the "art world." Digital art
is "anti-human art," and this is why it
URL or not but this is too good, and too important for nettimers, not to read
and discuss. These very personal and relevant observations come from a public
Facebook page and have been written by Lev Manovich (who is “feeling
thoughtful” as the page indicates).
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