Chris Grey: The Brexit aporia

2019-06-01 Thread t byfield
< https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/05/the-brexit-aporia.html > Friday, 31 May 2019 The Brexit aporia Posted by Chris Grey As anticipated [5]in my post a month ago, Britain is well on course to squander the extension period, primarily by virtue of th

Re: Not Brexit

2019-04-08 Thread Morlock Elloi
Appologies to Morlock who rightly berated those of us obsessed with arcane No problem. why if you live here its like staring at the Sun and proably as dangerous. The paper? # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, #

Re: Not Brexit

2019-04-08 Thread David Garcia
. Or to put it another way its a genuine ‘event’, one those moments when a system reveals itself BECAUSE it has gone so spectacularly awry. The moment the result of the referendum came in it was immediately clear that there was now a BEFORE and an AFTER and that the Brexit event would in future

Re: Not Brexit

2019-04-07 Thread David Garcia
of the ironies of Brexit (pointed out in a TV interview with Richard Barbrook) is that Brexit has turned the UK from a Eurosceptic nation into one of the most engaged and increasingly pro-EU countries in the EU! No other European country would be able to put hundreds of thousands on the streets waving

Re: Chris Grey's latest Brexit commentary

2019-03-23 Thread David Garcia
appening so quickly now that it is difficult to keep up > with, let alone make sense of, them. It seems a long time ago, but was > only last Monday, that `Bercow's Bombshell' joined the list of > Brexit jargon that sounds like bad book titles. That intervention, > saying that MPs

Re: more brexit spam.. sorry

2019-03-13 Thread David Garcia
forward or clear with little precedent for success. Also this evening Steve Barclay deputy Chair of the the ERG (the Tory Brexit Taliban) are already considering instruments that could frustrate those efforts.Barnier and the EU negotiating team are also negative.. So for the time being

Re: more brexit spam.. sorry

2019-03-13 Thread Sivasubramanian M
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 7:46 AM Keith Hart wrote: > “No deal can’t be taken off the table; it is the table.” You’ll hear > this clever sound bite in Twitter feeds on both sides of the Brexit divide, > but it suffers from the serious defect of being wrong. When we talk about > n

Re: more brexit spam.. sorry

2019-03-13 Thread Keith Hart
“No deal can’t be taken off the table; it is the table.” You’ll hear this clever sound bite in Twitter feeds on both sides of the Brexit divide, but it suffers from the serious defect of being wrong. When we talk about no deal being the table, we mean that it is the present default position

more brexit spam.. sorry

2019-03-13 Thread David Garcia
The UK Parliament just voted to take a Brexit 'no deal' off the table. But it is the law and therefore the default option unless the law is changed. So Parliament's motion means ‘sweet diddly squat’. The problem is actually a category error. You can't take no deal off the table

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-13 Thread Keith Hart
At last an oped piece from a former Leave staffer that at leas holds out the hope that one of Johnson, Gove, Davies et al will not succeed May as PM. THAT would be a true Brexit dividend. "In the end, the hard Brexiteer perfectionists bedazzled by cake and unicorns proved to be the obs

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-13 Thread James Wallbank
reply has become “I know nothing!” There are a few people who have not abandoned thinking about Brexit, even if the prospects are still gloomy. Take this lucid contribution today from Patrick Maguire, political correspondent of the New Statesman: Good morning. MPs have voted do

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-13 Thread David Garcia
>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 10:55, Keith Hart wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:42 PM David Garcia >>> wrote: >>> A true Democracy: All United in Ignorance- >>> Total fucking insanity >>> When asked by what is actually happening my repl

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-13 Thread James Wallbank
Hello David, The Brexit situation is indeed extraordinary, and it has thrown up deep deficiencies in the UK's constitutional arrangements, electoral security and, more widely, in its national identity. For what it's worth, my money, should I care to bet on it, would be that the UK will end

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-13 Thread Keith Hart
ay out it. Next time I'll ell them, what are you doing about your creeping constitutional crisis?" I have been banging that drum in half a dozen papers ever since, the last once being "Brexit: where once was an empire". When Gandhi came to Britain in 1931, he was shocked by th

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-13 Thread David Garcia
y > When asked by what is actually happening my reply has become “I know nothing!” > > There are a few people who have not abandoned thinking about Brexit, even if > the prospects are still gloomy. Take this lucid contribution today from > Patrick Maguire, political correspondent of

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-13 Thread Keith Hart
ho have not abandoned thinking about Brexit, even if the prospects are still gloomy. Take this lucid contribution today from Patrick Maguire, political correspondent of the New Statesman: Good morning. MPs have voted down Theresa May's Brexit deal for the second time - by a thumping margin of 149 vo

Re: At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-11 Thread Patrice Riemens
my friends is what we are calling the true democratic dividend of Brxitania in which all of us know progressively more and more about what we do not know. your depressed and stupidly obsessed nettime brexit correspondent :-(( # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderat

At last the brexit dividend

2019-03-11 Thread David Garcia
Brxitania in which all of us know progressively more and more about what we do not know. your depressed and stupidly obsessed nettime brexit correspondent :-(( # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text

Re: Why I have stopped reading about Brexit

2019-02-15 Thread David Garcia
Resolving the Brexican Standoff Don’t stop just yet Patrice just the wrong moment as we come to the final episode of series 1 of the neverending Brexit Box Set. As we know May is playing Eastwood in the Mexican stand off in the Good the Bad and the Ugly a confrontation in which no strategy

Re: Why I have stopped reading about Brexit

2019-02-14 Thread Keith Hart
bill soon and my right to live with my family in Paris and move around could be seriously impeded. My bet has always been that the UK will stay in the EU. At least I can get long odds on that. Cheers, Keith On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:16 PM Patrice Riemens wrote: > > Aloha, > > I

Why I have stopped reading about Brexit

2019-02-14 Thread Patrice Riemens
Aloha, I was a Brexit addict. Till the day before yesterday. I used to spell the Guardian online and go thru all the vagaries of that great soap. But no longer. I might merely scan the headline, and may be even not. I 'know' what is going to happen (even though you never can know

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-18 Thread bronac ferran
. Indeed ... accompanied by the 'Smirky McSmirk Face' that dominates all mainstream media analysis in the UK On 16 October 2018 at 20:32, Ariston Theotocopulos < ariston.theotocopu...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is all true, you could add that the UK news media delights in > spreading lies, it

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-18 Thread James Wallbank
at's where your analysis, though largely accurate, becomes dangerous. It may help us to understand some of the structural conditions driving nihilistic projects like Brexit, but because it doesn't address my initial questions — why this? and why now? — it doesn't do what's needed: help to lay a bas

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread Ariston Theotocopulos
This is all true, you could add that the UK news media delights in spreading lies, it does it purely for the lulz. But... In 2016 only political lunatics had strong opinions one way or another on the EU, and nobody here thought that there would be any significant change whatever the result of the

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread tbyfield
, becomes dangerous. It may help us to understand some of the structural conditions driving nihilistic projects like Brexit, but because it doesn't address my initial questions — why this? and why now? — it doesn't do what's needed: help to lay a basis for new frameworks, institutions

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread David Garcia
battles and real news from the misinformation and 'phony wars’. But having said all that I am skeptical of the picture painted by JP of the brexit enterprise as some kind of strategic master plan. This attributes a level of strategic skill and competence that is glaringly absent from

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread James Wallbank
Hi David, Hi All, I've been a continual participant in online discussion of the national insanity that is Brexit, and have come to a few conclusions. For those of you not based in the UK, the whole debate and internal conflict may appear utterly incomprehensible - but I believe it has brought

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread Iain Findlay-Walsh
Dear David/all. I have never posted here before (but long been a lurker!), however this thread on Brexit presents an opportunity to share a recent twitter thread on Brexit, which I came to indirectly via social media. As far as I am aware, the author of the following twitter posts is a well-known

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread David Garcia
sense, including the vulgar sense of wanking our time away). Actually Kier Starmer -the Captain Sensible of the Brexit narrative- is incrementally (and with some skill) inching the Labour Party’s leadership towards a refferendum on the deal (I dislike the sterile populism of the ‘people’s vote

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-13 Thread Vincent Van Uffelen
I'm following this whole thread with great interest and feel that I could add a few synthesizing comments from a strategic designer's perspective. These designers are usually hired to be less concerned with the creation of the perfect, shiny object but more with shaping the structures culture

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-13 Thread Ian Alan Paul
Brian writes: "Supporting them remains essential, in the way that dreams and utopias are essential. But I think there's another responsibility, which is to imagine and get behind the factors of sweeping systemic change, which is what the times are callling for." I don't think the two are mutually

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-13 Thread David Garcia
On 13 Nov 2017, at 09:21, Alex Foti wrote > The problem of the revolutions of 2011 is that they failed to produce durable > organization and to use their term institutions of the common, save for > limited success on the municipalist front. Now that nazi-populism is >

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-13 Thread Alex Foti
Assembly by H deals with the problem of organization and exercising power on the part of movements. Their proposal is to invert the relationship between leadership and base, so that the democratic multitude (based on the emerging subjectivities in wealth production and social reproduction) is in

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-12 Thread Brian Holmes
Wendy Brown wrote: > Insistence that 'another world is possible' runs opposite to this tide > of general despair... The Left alone persists in a belief (or in a polemic, > absent a belief) that all could live well, live free, and live together > - a dream whose abandonment is expressed in the

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-08 Thread Sean Cubitt
been that it ends up defending the indefensible. In the Brexit case, widespread disillusionment with a decreasingly democratic, increasingly neoliberal central pseudo-state only found voice from those who have other reasons to attack it: those who want to deregulate food, pharmceuticals

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-08 Thread Ian Alan Paul
ead can't help bringing >> to mind Wendy Brown's ever more prescient work on this subject- >> especially chapter IV >> >> http://www.tepotech.com/chiapas2015/Brown_Walled_States.pdf >> <http://www.tepotech.com/chiapas2015/Brown_Walled_States.pdf&g

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-06 Thread Brian Holmes
Back Control” is cruscial to understand it speaks to the profound loss of agency that so many of us feel and how for many the capacity to disrupt politics as usual gave Brexit voters a sense of power. This is spot on for the United States as well. Alas

Brexit democracy

2017-11-06 Thread AllanInfo
rning what it never wholly loved and with the task of dramatically resetting its critique and vision in terms of the historical supersession of liberal democracy, and not only of failed socialist experiments.” She stated this over 10 years ago; pre-fiscal crisis, pre-Trump and Brexit. So, rese

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-06 Thread Ian Alan Paul
cruscial to understand >>> it speaks to the profound loss of agency that so many of us feel and how >>> for many the capacity to disrupt politics as usual gave Brexit voters a >>> sense of power. >>> >> >> This is spot on for the United States as well.

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-06 Thread Ivan Knapp
wrote: > On 11/06/2017 05:13 AM, David Garcia wrote: > > The success of the slogan ‘Take Back Control” is cruscial to understand it >> speaks to the profound loss of agency that so many of us feel and how for >> many the capacity to disrupt politics as usual gave Brexit

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-06 Thread Brian Holmes
On 11/06/2017 05:13 AM, David Garcia wrote: The success of the slogan ‘Take Back Control” is cruscial to understand it speaks to the profound loss of agency that so many of us feel and how for many the capacity to disrupt politics as usual gave Brexit voters a sense of power. This is spot

Re: Brexit democracy

2017-11-06 Thread David Garcia
at elections. Brexit was part of everyday discussion in ways that have never been the case in my life-time so as a manifestation of “demos” I think there was something to celebrate. The other night on the train home I got into an argument with a group of Brexit voting builders about their belief

Brexit democracy

2017-11-06 Thread Patrice Riemens
From Sauvons l'Europe newsletter http://sauvonsleurope.eu/brexit-hold-up-sur-la-democratie/ In French Deepl.com translated: Brexit: Democracy robbery? By Arthur News/editorial comment November 6,2017 We have already written about the confiscation of the most basic democratic principles

Re: Catalonia And Brexit: The Same Nationalism

2017-10-09 Thread Keith Sanborn
nt a referendum in Catalonia, despite the fact that a peaceful >> referendum would most probably have led to a similar outcome as in Read >> Here: https://www.socialeurope.eu/catalonia-brexit-nationalism” >> >> Allan >> P Nyomtatás előtt gondoljunk a t

Re: Catalonia And Brexit: The Same Nationalism

2017-10-09 Thread i...@conservas.tk
spite the fact that a peaceful > referendum would most probably have led to a similar outcome as in Read Here: > https://www.socialeurope.eu/catalonia-brexit-nationalism” > > Allan > P Nyomtatás előtt gondoljunk a természetre! Please consider the environment > before printing this email.

Catalonia And Brexit: The Same Nationalism

2017-10-09 Thread Siegel Allan
probably have led to a similar outcome as in Read Here: https://www.socialeurope.eu/catalonia-brexit-nationalism” Allan P Nyomtatás előtt gondoljunk a természetre! Please consider the environment before printing this email. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission

Re: On the Biggie Brexit Bandobust (re: Laurie Penny's

2017-04-05 Thread Morlock Elloi
While the class is the the primary divider, there are collateral divisions in the Left that are few (causal) generations removed from the class but extremely effective. These divisions are actively and successfully nurtured: educational and academic echo chambers, identity politics and related

On the Biggie Brexit Bandobust (re: Laurie Penny's Despair)

2017-04-05 Thread Patrice Riemens
lmost everyone I care about. I feel nothing at all about them, still less for the millions of people they conned and called it democracy. It’s all catastrophically sad, and it’s going to be sad for a very long time." Brexit is truly the end-of-the-road for Europe. Theresa May, meaning

Re: Laurie Penny on Brexit, March 29

2017-04-05 Thread rebe
Either public debt is too high or public spending is too low/"austerity" too harsh, she can't have both. I don't think that economic woes are a good rationale to justify anti-continental sentiment and the resulting brexit. On 04.04.2017 15:31, barbara strebel wrote: >War of

Laurie Penny on Brexit, March 29

2017-04-04 Thread barbara strebel
War of Nerves Laurie Penny, March 29 Brexit, Pursued by Despair Brexit is just the latest alibi to mask the austerity con https://thebaffler.com/war-of-nerves/brexit-austerity-penny Brexit is just the latest alibi to mask the austerity conThe referendum was the flame

Simon Parkin: If only Brexit had been a (computer) game (Guardian)

2016-07-03 Thread Patrice Riemens
Original to: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/03/games-brexit-escapism-halo-animal-crossing-mario If only Brexit had been a game Current real-world politics remind us why so many prefer the ordered fairness of gaming During the run-up to the general election, my children and I

Re: to Brexit or not to Brexit that was only one of the

2016-06-26 Thread Brian Holmes
On 06/25/2016 10:30 PM, siegel allan wrote: the present moment is simply a prologue marking more critical struggles that lay beyond our immediate horizon or sense of the possible Man, that's the interesting thing. [Allan and I met each other in Budapest for the first time a few weeks ago

to Brexit or not to Brexit that was only one of the questions

2016-06-26 Thread siegel allan
eless, indicates an important frame of reference in regards to the implications of the Brexit vote. Like the ’68 events, and more generally the political movements that flowered during the post-war period (including the revolutionary movements in Africa and Latin America as well as the civil r