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> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 19:17:54 +0100
> From: Vesna Manojlovic
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> Subject: Re: Stormy weather?
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> On 17 Feb 2023, at 17:35, mp wrote:
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> And if you want accelerate the downfall and get it over with, buy an electric
> car and promote the electrical paradigm.
I would suggest, share a collectively owned one and use it the less as possible…
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On 17/02/2023 17:24, Stefan Heidenreich wrote:
winter is coming. what are your predictions?
A wise woman once said, "...It is difficult to predict, especially the
future".
That is because the future is not yet cooked up, only the ingredients exist.
Plant a tree, save a seed, grow some
Black Soil
white money
... a short summer of the end of the history of
(neoliberal) globalisation, mediated, of course, by the rise of the
Internet.
to be followed by an ugly autumn of global warming, pandemic
profiteering, reactionary autocrats challenging the liberal white
oligarch
To reply to the Stormy Weather, both as a forecast and as allegory ...
Brian wrote:
"Today, under the pressure of climate change, broader fronts are
emerging, which include not only peasant and indigenous struggles, but
also metropolitan minorities and, crucially I think, ele
Green transition?
On 15/02/2023 15:06, Felix Stalder wrote:
They are, as you say, the end of the neoliberal global order manifested
by the breaking apart of Chimerica, and the accelerating decarbonization
of the energy supply (which is happening, even if too late to avoid
massive damage).
This thread has been fantastically interesting. By launching it, I've
somehow come off as an old Stal suffering from reflexive anti-Americanism.
Fair enough, I have many difficulties with my home country. But the old
Stal part, no.
It should be possible to support the Ukrainians and critique the
On 15 Feb 2023, at 20:02, Pit Schultz wrote:
> In terms of the green transition, this war is already a huge setback,
The Economist:
> This complexity makes it difficult to discern whether the tumult in energy
> markets has aided or impeded the energy transition. To assess the overall
>
Black Soil
It is probably a matter of thinking the hows and whys synthetically,
along a "golden path", dependent on an unlikely but still highly
desirable outcome, not without invoking a disappearing horizon of
timeliness.
Rather than giving up in the face of apparent complexity, the
Hi Felix,
there is a problem in your analysis: your framing is only one amongst
many others, equally possible.
For example, from the viewpoint of the realist school (Mearsheimer) or
the geo-economic perspective (M. Hudson) the situation looks very
different. Let me sketch it briefly:
Well,
On 15.02.23 11:34, mp wrote:
The overarching context - as context seems to be such a hot term -
is trade war and the electrification of consumer civilization.
Making this about "Putin", i.e. a single person and his "unlawful"
acts, is beyond intellectually lazy reductionism. It is
Brian's original Stormy Weather post semed designed to wake up the many
of us who feel we are all sleep walking towards the precipice. I
couldn't help remembering the book “Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War
in 1914” (Christopher Clark. 2012).
The title alone seems an apt way to describe
On 15/02/2023 00:45, Michael Benson wrote:
(Why 'we' in quotes? Who're we, anyway?
"We" are of course the free world - for context from today's paper see
for instance:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/revealed-disinformation-team-jorge-claim-meddling-elections-tal-hanan
Good to see Nettime ricocheting into life again, despite occasional
acrimony. But it was always so. Personally in the current Age of Manifest
Disinformation I can't see how calling attention to the questionable
credentials of a centrally quoted (& evidently quack) expelled former
academic equates
> Am 14.02.2023 um 22:38 schrieb Allan Siegel :
> not from conspiracy theorists as far as I know.
>
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Hello,
Trying to get back to some of Brian's and others original concerns here
is some useful background material; not from conspiracy theorists as far
as I know. Thanks Alex for the information about the Milan event. And,
Michael nice of you to bring a red herring to the discussion.
here are two texts i found recently quite useful, for the missing footnotes.
maurizio lazzarato known to many from his thesis on "immaterial
labour", has written about the financial war machine, debt, violence
and the urgency of revolution and published this text last june,
translated by a
I'm really sorry, Felix, but I have to disagree here. In a sense this
war is not even a proxy war, but a testcase-scenario for an even bigger
war with China about Taiwan. It is a bloody shame that loads and loads
of people have to be killed (on both sides) and have to be mutilated,
tortured
Don't feed the NATO trolls. They just want to nibble at your pinkie.
On Tue, 2023-02-14 at 17:53 +0100, Stefan Heidenreich wrote:
> Funny, that mail sounds in tone and attitude to me like something
> I've
> encountered last time in the Berlin Stasi-archive.
> The censor has spoken ...
>
> s
>
Funny, that mail sounds in tone and attitude to me like something I've
encountered last time in the Berlin Stasi-archive.
The censor has spoken ...
s
Am 14.02.23 um 17:07 schrieb Ted Byfield:
On 14 Feb 2023, at 4:48, Michael Guggenheim wrote:
I sent an email to NLR alerting them to this
D’Eramo, quoted by Michael Guggenheim :I find these now-common disclaimers fascinating:And Russia’s unjustifiable invasion of Ukraine doesn’t absolve NATO of its responsibility in producing the conflict.This shows that what Putin has been doing is so terrible that even his defenders* feel
On 14 Feb 2023, at 4:48, Michael Guggenheim wrote:
> I sent an email to NLR alerting them to this quote. Maybe I was not the only
> one. I was hoping, and suggesting, they would add a comment to D’Eramo’s
> text, explaining who Ganser is, and maybe asking D’Eramo to explain to the
> reader why
so you call it
"giving context" (which would be ok)
when in fact you try to silence an inconvenient voice
(make links disappear, erase references, suppress ...)
that's a euphemism I've never came across so far.
Admitting Ganser can be edgy. you want want to cancel everyone "edgy"?
where do you
If he only would “complain”: “liberal fascism” and "totalitarianism” is now the
minimum charge.
Just in case you want more context, Ganser now (as in: last week) likens
himself to Sophie Scholl, another person he thinks, who, like him, needed
courage to say the truth and to fight against war.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 01:21:54PM +0100, Stefan Heidenreich wrote:
I invite Stefan to explain what he suggests we should do instead.
nothing.
Let people make their own judgement and cite whomever they want to cite.
And by all means complain when someone provides additional context.
--
José
I invite Stefan to explain what he suggests we should do instead.
nothing.
Let people make their own judgement and cite whomever they want to cite.
Best
Stefan
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Dear Lorenzo,
Regarding the jews: OK, let us not call it anti-semitic as a statement, but
anti-semitic in its context (in the sense that many people, including Ganser
who make this statement prove to be anti-semites in other ways as well. Plus
obviously Ganser is one of the super slick people
Thank you Michael for the useful warning about Ganser. Nevertheless I am left
from your intervention with two curiosities.
First - and let me preface the I am in totally favour of vaccination and with
any no vax sympathy - how the (absurd and offensive) suggestion that the
unvaccinated are
if you wanted to have a good example of what I referred to as
"liberal fascism", it's here:
self empoewered thought police feeling entiled to go for a witch-hunt to
cancel voices off the mainstream.
Even as I do not agree with some stuff the Ganser says, I would always
defend his right to
Dear Nettimers and Hans-Christian,
D’Eramo’s NLR sidecar article indeed contained a reference to Daniele Ganser,
but it was a little bit more than a reference (I copy the whole passage into
the email further down below). As you can see from the passage, D’Eramo does
not just cite Ganser, but
War!
On 13/02/2023 17:39, Felix Stalder wrote:
On 13.02.23 08:45, Stefan Heidenreich wrote:
- the defeat of NATO could lead to a "decolonization" of Western
Europe (not that this by itself leads to positive results. Repressive
"liberal" fascism remains as likely an outcome as some sort of
all,
> psychologically. It's noteworthy that in the US, almost none of the
> sprawling social-welfare package that was originally intended to accompany
> the Green Capitalism legislation made it through, and more broadly, I don't
> think capitalist societies have overcome their basic social contr
One more war nested in the Donbas/Ukraine war: Putin wants to believe this is a
civil war.
Despite everything the West threw at revolutionary Russia, despite its own
errors and catastrophes, despite the devastation of the Great Patriotic war,
Russia emerged in 1945 with a greater landmass than
Dear Brian, weapons, munition and tools are coming from NATO states _and_ non
NATO states.
Since you shared this weird opinion piece of D’Eramo just for the list of
equipment which the US alone has sent, I would think it makes sense to keep in
mind that this amount is just a fraction of what
- proxy vs. direct. this is most likely not a war in a series of
others, but probably a new type of war that has the potential to
recalibrate the world order by risking to lead to another world war.
it has elements of colonial wars but implicitly sets the engagement
of geopolitics (geographic
it makes a difference though if it's proxy war or not:
- if it's a struggle for a nation's survival, one should probably follow
the advice of RAND and go for negotiations asap (as the war looks
increasingly unwinable, according to their recent report).
- if it's a proxy war, the West may
Felix, I understand what you're reacting to, and to be clear, I support the
Ukrainians in their war against Russian aggression. I think it's a
necessary war for NATO to engage in, as I've said before. I also agree the
term "liberal fascism" is meaningless, btw.
But this is also a great power war,
> - the defeat of NATO could lead to a "decolonization" of Western
> Europe (not that this by itself leads to positive results. Repressive
> "liberal" fascism remains as likely an outcome as some sort of
> independence.)
I also wondered what you mean, given that Russia has its own awful colonial
surely not mutually exclusive, most wars of independence were both
struggles for self determination and proxy wars between the great powers,
there are always many wars within each war...
Oh my, what this is supposed to mean, only chatGPT can explain
fies aber lustig
x Ana
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023
- the defeat of NATO could lead to a "decolonization" of Western
Europe (not that this by itself leads to positive results. Repressive
"liberal" fascism remains as likely an outcome as some sort of
independence.)
Oh my, what this is supposed to mean, only chatGPT can explain.
well, people
On 12.02.23 20:50, Brian Holmes wrote:
-- There's a war on in Europe, which is a proxy war that pits NATO
against Russia, via the fighting force of Ukraine. Definitely check
out the list of equipment which the US alone has sent:
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/sleepwalking-elites
ded to
accompany the Green Capitalism legislation made it through, and more
broadly, I don't think capitalist societies have overcome their basic
social contradictions. Instead they are being exacerbated, which makes
it much, much harder to steer the big ships of state...
It all adds up to stormy
# Nettime 12/02/23
Dear Brian and other nettimers.
It is not an understatement to say that we are at the doorstep of a
potential apocalypse; tragically following on the lingering residue of
COVID and all the social trauma that continues to follow in its wake.
The neoliberal paradigm is a
de it through, and more broadly, I don't
think capitalist societies have overcome their basic social contradictions.
Instead they are being exacerbated, which makes it much, much harder to
steer the big ships of state...
It all adds up to stormy weather ahead, and I was just interrupted by a
frie
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