Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-27 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/07/14 02:29 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: Now this is obviously the roughest of ballpark estimates you can make -- and I would be happy to see a better one -- but on the face of it, it seems to indicate that viewing one personal data as an

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-27 Thread Felix Stalder
On 07/24/2014 17:51, Wolfie Christl wrote: Maybe the other way round: If users would have been paid for their data, business models driven by personal data would be less attractive or would look different at least Hi Wolfie, you are right, paying individual users for their personal data

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-25 Thread Orsan Senalp
What if Facebook users, or users In general get their personal data licensed say under GNU/GPL, and create conflict with user contracts, and take the issue to collective level with the help of wider alliances, by collectivizing users' individual cases, viral campaigning and strike like creative

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-25 Thread Flick Harrison
I think the market vale of all that time the users are spending on Facebook is actually zero, since that's what Facebook is paying for it right now. More dangerously, Facebook could counter by arguing that they have created free infrastructure for organizing gatherings, publicizing products and

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-24 Thread Wolfie Christl
On 24.07.2014 11:29, Felix Stalder wrote: If you divide the 30 cents income by the 60 hours work, the you end up with an hourly-wage of $.005. Now this is obviously the roughest of ballpark estimates you can make -- and I would be happy to see a better one -- but on the face of it, it seems

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-24 Thread olia lialina
Dear Felix I'm afraid you are mixing up value of personal data and value of time spend filling a service with this data. related, two demands on the User Rights: The Right to get Revenue http://userrights.contemporary-home-computing.org/u0ibb/ The right to be the (prime) beneficiary of

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-24 Thread brian.hol...@aliceadsl.fr
Felix says: Now this is obviously the roughest of ballpark estimates you can make -- and I would be happy to see a better one -- but on the face of it, it seems to indicate that viewing one personal data as an economic asset is really a lousy idea, no matter how you slice it. Well, if you were