[Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mike21222
Hello I have a question. I was just wondering if anyone has any idea if going with a larger tire size in rear would give me better gas mileage. I have a unique commute where 17 of my 18 miles is Interstate 81 (67-77 mph), and I have a total of 2 stop signs each way. If I could drop my RPM's by say

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
Unfortunately, I don't think you will be able to fit a big enough tire back there to see 3-5 mpg increase. 3-400 engine rpm might net you one point improvement; that's about what the bigger rear on my 750 bought me On Jul 21, 2011 8:43 AM, Mike21222 mike21...@aol.com wrote: Hello I have a

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Hanghank
Engine RPM alone does not determine MPG. Energy demands do. Assuming your speed does not change, it will require a certain output of energy to propel you down the road for a given distance. Would a lower rpm increase MPG? Perhaps, but not much. You will need to maintain a certain amount of

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread vadik selo
thats one way to think about it fun and low MPG or boring and somewhat better mpg :) On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote: Engine RPM alone does not determine MPG. Energy demands do. Assuming your speed does not change, it will require a certain output of

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
If you aren't totally addicted to speed but are a competitive person by nature, driving for MPG can actually be just as exciting as going fast. You have to be creative, aware, and totally in tune with your vehicle and the world around you, but beating your previous best is a very satisfying

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread vadik selo
wow 49mpg, thats something i got to try to achive that on my 750 On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.comwrote: If you aren't totally addicted to speed but are a competitive person by nature, driving for MPG can actually be just as exciting as going fast. You have

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Javier Garcia
Mike, I will look into different sprocket instead of a different tire size. I am not totally sure a different sprocket will increase your mpg, but you do cruise at lower rpms if you choose the right one. Javier. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Mike21222 mike21...@aol.com wrote: Hello I have

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
Are there gears available, though? His bike is a 650 shaft drive, so our normal sprocket tricks won't work for him. Kurt On Jul 21, 2011 10:32 AM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, I will look into different sprocket instead of a different tire size. I am not totally sure a

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Javier Garcia
Oh, right, he did mention that... then I am clueless. Javier. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.comwrote: Are there gears available, though? His bike is a 650 shaft drive, so our normal sprocket tricks won't work for him. Kurt On Jul 21, 2011 10:32 AM,

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread vadik selo
i've heard someone said that if you put a 16 teeth sproket on front for 750 u lower ur rpm and yields bout 4% better mpg On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, I will look into different sprocket instead of a different tire size. I am not totally

[Nighthawk Lovers] Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread E.T.
1984 CB700sc I've got an oil leak coming out of the gasket between the crankcase and the cylinder head cover. As far as I've read this is known problem for the '84 cb700sc. Has anyone had experience fixing this specific leak? I can purchase a new gasket. Is that enough to solve the problem or

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
I put a seventeen tooth sprocket on the front of mine, moved me up about 2 mpg to 42 average. Kurt On Jul 21, 2011 10:49 AM, vadik selo uaby...@gmail.com wrote: i've heard someone said that if you put a 16 teeth sproket on front for 750 u lower ur rpm and yields bout 4% better mpg On Thu,

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mack Swanson
Last year on my 82 750 I changed the rear sprocket from 43 to 40 teeth.  I stayed the stock number on the front.  I also changed the chain.  but it went from 6000 rpm to 5100 rpm at 70 mph.  giving me about 8 more mpg.   Mack --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Mike21222 mike21...@aol.com wrote: From:

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kyle Munz
I remembner Dennis Hammerl saying that the rear from an '82 VT750 was a drop in replacement, same splines, but different gearing for lower RPMs at highways speeds. This was in reference to the 700 though and not specifically the 650. Something to look into though. -Kyle On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread vadik selo
when my chain goes bad i'll have to do something like that did you notice any power loss?? On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.comwrote: I put a seventeen tooth sprocket on the front of mine, moved me up about 2 mpg to 42 average. Kurt On Jul 21, 2011

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread Javier Garcia
Try tightening the head cover bolts first. My 750 was leaking and I solved it doing that. I might need to replace the gasket eventually, but I think they cost around $50-$70. Javier. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote: 1984 CB700sc I've got an oil leak coming

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mack Swanson
back in my motocross days they used to say one tooth on the front sprocket was like 5-6 on the rear.  changing my rear by 3 theeth I dont really notice any loss in power, it still gets off the line pretty good.  --- On Thu, 7/21/11, vadik selo uaby...@gmail.com wrote: From: vadik selo

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread vadik selo
i kinda have same problem in my 750 on the left side its weird and i don't know what to do bout it i've tightened the bolts on top but its still seeping in a bit On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:53 AM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote: 1984 CB700sc I've got an oil leak coming out of the gasket

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] The Lights: Where did they Go?

2011-07-21 Thread Stefano Ascari
I have an ancient battery. Could that have any impact? Stefano -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread Javier Garcia
Well that seems to be normal on these (and other jap's) bikes. As I said, you will have to (eventually) replace the gasket. Javier. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:07 AM, vadik selo uaby...@gmail.com wrote: i kinda have same problem in my 750 on the left side its weird and i don't know what to do

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] The Lights: Where did they Go?

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
What's the voltage across the terminals? If you have enough juice for the rears, you should have plenty for the fronts. Check your connections before replacing parts. Kurt On Jul 21, 2011 11:20 AM, Stefano Ascari stefanoasc...@gmail.com wrote: I have an ancient battery. Could that have any

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
Mack: That's a massive improvement for a small change (relatively) in rpm. Any other changes at the same time? Filter, plugs, tune-up, driving habits? That's claiming 20+% mileage increase off a 15% decrease in rpm. Highly rare situation, unless you're moving from a fringe to an optimized engine

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mack Swanson
I did brakes, along with the sprockets and chain, oil change.  no tune-up or anything else.  went from 42 mpg too 50 mpg.  like I said, it decreased my rpm 900 at 70 mph.    Mack --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
Still 19% improvement for a 15% reduction in engine speed. Perhaps you had a slight drag on one brake that changing them cured to help. Not denying your increase, but the usual increase is a slightly lesser percent than the rpm drop. Just trying to explain this one. Kurt On Jul 21, 2011 12:17

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mack Swanson
maybe the engine just runs more effeciently at 5100 than at 6000 rpm. --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kurt Nolte vturbine.po...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread greenzer...@gmail.com
When i had the 250 i changed the rear sprocket from 30 to 33 so i could get higher top end speed I could notice less torque but much better top end -Original Message- Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:38:51 pm To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com From: Mack Swanson mack5...@yahoo.com

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread E.T.
Alright, I'll do that first. I found the gasket on parts nation for $40. On Jul 21, 9:25 am, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote: Well that seems to be normal on these (and other jap's) bikes. As I said, you will have to (eventually) replace the gasket. Javier. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread Javier Garcia
That is not a bad price. Can you send the link? Javier. On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:03 PM, E.T. et.hal...@gmail.com wrote: Alright, I'll do that first. I found the gasket on parts nation for $40. On Jul 21, 9:25 am, Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com wrote: Well that seems to be normal on

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread E.T.
Sure, Here it is: http://www.hondapartsnation.com/pages/oemparts?aribrand=HOMgclid=CI3XpP2CkaoCFQFsgwodXG3c0Q#/Honda/CB700SC_A_(84)_MOTORCYCLE%2c_JPN%2c_VIN%23_JH2RC200-EM11_TO_JH2RC200-EM011128/CYLINDER_HEAD_COVER/CB700SC-84-JPN-A/2Y14MJ1EE14MJ1E01A On Jul 21, 11:08 am, Javier Garcia

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Cylinder head cover- oil leak

2011-07-21 Thread jaybird248
Same leak happened on my bike, at about the 50K mile mark, and it gets worse if you ignore it. It's a common problem with the NH750, The fix is a new valve cover gasket, and don't forget to get the little seals that go with it. Jay S 92 NH750 South Florida On Jul 21, 11:07 am, vadik selo

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] SPARK PLUG GAP

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen Brown
According to the *original log book* the gap is 0.8 - 0.9mm (0.03 - 0.04in) And I'm only guessing that would be for the original plugs - an area I am currently researching. EG - I am learning that an iridium core plug will jump a larger gap due to lower resistance - wont go on till I know

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread zgotts
If you want better mileage, go buy a scooter. Sheesh! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Kurt Nolte
You're right, what was I thinking? Let me just sell this bike right away. Kurt On Jul 21, 2011 4:22 PM, zgotts zgo...@hotmail.com wrote: If you want better mileage, go buy a scooter. Sheesh! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle...

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45 magna

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen Brown
for the benefit of us here in the UK [all three of us lol from what i can tell] - whats a 'crown vic' ?? ta :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45 magna

2011-07-21 Thread Mack Swanson
about the size of 2 of your cars over in the UK.  --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote: From: Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45 magna To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 5:29 PM crown

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Chain oil or Chain wax which is better, I want your opinion

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen Brown
I use chain lube - really simple - sticks really well - stays really clean whatever i do : Just paddock the back wheel put it in gear and spray on through the extension - sweet :) Dont use too much! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Chain oil or Chain wax which is better, I want your opinion

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen Brown
use it once or twice a month. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/nighthawk_lovers/-/S4OG3MYX2pIJ. To post to this group, send email to

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: New battery

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen Brown
follow the instructions on the box and check the levels regularly when in use = longer battery life. If you store your bike for the winter - if you have a winter and sub zero temperatures like we do - take it off and trickle charge it in the warm - dont smoke near it !! -- You received this

RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45 magna

2011-07-21 Thread Steve @ Hotmail
An ominous looking vehicle - thx for the info From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James O'Gorman Sent: 21 July 2011 23:03 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45 magna Yeah,

RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45 magna

2011-07-21 Thread Steve @ Hotmail
So I just found out !! But no match for a nighthawk clearly J From: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com [mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mack Swanson Sent: 21 July 2011 22:38 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread James O'Gorman
Just read through the other responses... Your most realistic bet is to drive 60 to 65 mph and leave home earlier. As with cars, MPG at slow speeds is mostly dictated by weight, and at high speeds it's all aerodynamics. I can prove to anyone that wants to ride in a car using my engine scanner

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Got a Question?

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen Brown
Paul - apart from the emails i get for updates whe Im looking at these pages how can I tell when a topic I replied to has been updated?? Thx Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To view this discussion on the web

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: New battery

2011-07-21 Thread Stephen Brown
http://www.cycleconnections.com/articledetail.asp?TypeID=23ID=612 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/nighthawk_lovers/-/JYCGI01jM7EJ. To post

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mike21222
Very funny, buy a scooter. Problems: 1) I can't take a scooter on the interstate. 2) A scooter won't reach the speeds I want to acheive. 3) A scooter is lame. 4) Your mom still has my old one... :-) On Jul 21, 4:22 pm, zgotts zgo...@hotmail.com wrote: If you want better mileage, go buy a

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mike21222
Good point Kyle, I'll make a note of that if I re-visit this topic. Thanks On Jul 21, 10:59 am, Kyle Munz kyle...@gmail.com wrote: I remembner Dennis Hammerl saying that the rear from an '82 VT750 was a drop in replacement, same splines, but different gearing for lower RPMs at highways speeds.

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mike21222
Thanks Hank. Think I like your idea the best, not mess with a good thing. Least till gas goes a lot higher, then a re-visit of the topic may be prudent. On Jul 21, 9:05 am, Hanghank hangh...@new.rr.com wrote: Engine RPM alone does not determine MPG.  Energy demands do.  Assuming your speed

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mike21222
Sorry I meant decrease in fuel consumption, or increase in fuel efficiency... Anyways... On Jul 21, 7:29 pm, Mike21222 mike21...@aol.com wrote: Thanks everyone for your comments, even the guy with the scooter comment, ha ha ha. I think I'm gonna hold off for now. It just seemed like a neat

[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread zgotts
Didnt mean any offense with the scooter thing, just my own line of thinking on the subject. For a bit I thought about making changes to get better mileage, but I ultimately concluded that for me.. it misses the point of motorcycles. It's all about having fun, and I like the fact that its as quick

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Electrical Problem

2011-07-21 Thread Allen Thomas
To check the stator: test for continuity between all 3 leads, also look for similar resistance, lastly check that you don't have continuity to ground. If it fails any of these tests it is bad. To test the R/R hook up a volt meter to the battery and see if it is charging while running after

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Allen Thomas
One tooth on a front sprocket is the same as r teeth on the rear sprocket. So that is the same as a 16 tooth countershaft (front) sprocket. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: vadik selo uaby...@gmail.com Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: crown vic vs 750 v45 magna

2011-07-21 Thread Allen Thomas
A typical police car; a Crown Victoria made by Ford. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Stephen Brown sbro...@hotmail.com Sender: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:13:35 To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Reply-To:

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread Mack Swanson
r teeth? --- On Thu, 7/21/11, Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com wrote: From: Allen Thomas althomas...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage To: Nightwawk Lovers nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011, 9:42 PM One

Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk 650 for better mileage

2011-07-21 Thread hallman
I think he tried to hit the 4 key but his big finger hit the r. rodhall -Original Message- From: Mack Swanson mack5...@yahoo.com To: nighthawk_lovers nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 9:21 pm Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Gearing up a 84 Nighthawk