Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-28 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hello! Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to skribis: Eelco revoked all access of all regular contributors without prior warning. While I agree that this is a major annoyance (especially as someone who administrates a Hydra instance and is currently unable to help fix bugs), I believe it’s mostly the

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-28 Thread Ludovic Courtès
Hi, Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to skribis: However, that is exactly the kind of decision to be taken in a vote of majority. If the majority of community members feels that we should not package non-free software (according to some definition), then that's how it's going to be. If I were you,

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-27 Thread Marc Weber
What I am saying is that after 4 years of continuous work on Nix, I have a significant investment in this project, and changes that are made to this project affect me personally and professionally in ways that may not be obvious to the person who is making that change. Which is why you can't

[Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Peter Simons
Hi guys, it is my pleasure to announce the free-nix project, which aims to provide a user- and developer-friendly free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager. The project is hosted on Github at http://github.com/free-nix and it offers two repositories: - pkgs is a

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Marc Weber
Excerpts from Peter Simons's message of Tue Jun 26 12:45:18 +0200 2012: project's goals, policies, and procedures. Stating a vision or project goal is great. That has been lacking for nixos IMHO. Whether new mailinglists will be created or not - will be discussed later then? Announcing a new

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Andres Loeh
Hi Peter. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to wrote: Hi guys, it is my pleasure to announce the free-nix project, which aims to provide a user- and developer-friendly free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager. The project is hosted on Github at Is

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Eelco Dolstra
Hi, On 26/06/12 06:45, Peter Simons wrote: it is my pleasure to announce the free-nix project, which aims to provide a user- and developer-friendly free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager. Well, forking is the most sincere form of flattery, but... I told you a few days ago

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:34:58PM +0200, Andres Loeh wrote: Hi Peter. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to wrote: Hi guys, it is my pleasure to announce the free-nix project, which aims to provide a user- and developer-friendly free Linux distribution based on

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:50:52AM -0400, Eelco Dolstra wrote: On 26/06/12 06:45, Peter Simons wrote: it is my pleasure to announce the free-nix project, which aims to provide a user- and developer-friendly free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager. Well, forking is

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Shea Levy
Hi Peter, On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to wrote: - pkgs is a database of free software packages that can be installed with the Nix package manager. Will proprietary or non-GPL'd software be allowed to be packaged in free-nix? Or, what do you

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Marc Weber
Excerpts from Shea Levy's message of Tue Jun 26 15:36:17 +0200 2012: Will proprietary or non-GPL'd software be allowed to be packaged in free-nix? Or, what do you mean by the 'free' in free-nix? Peter said: and then the group of people that comes out of this process is going to constitute

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Peter Simons
Hi Shea, - pkgs is a database of free software packages that can be installed with the Nix package manager. Will proprietary or non-GPL'd software be allowed to be packaged in free-nix? Or, what do you mean by the 'free' in free-nix? personally, I believe

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Peter Simons
Hi Andres, If you're unhappy with the way Nix is being run, why not bring it up and try to convince people to change the overall policy [...]? where exactly could anyone bring anything up so that people change NixOS policy? Who exactly has the ability to change NixOS policy? What exactly

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Andres Loeh
Hi Peter. where exactly could anyone bring anything up so that people change NixOS policy? Who exactly has the ability to change NixOS policy? It's vaguely defined. But even if Eelco has in practice most of the power, it's still in fact a community project, as can be observed by the fact

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Marc Weber
Eelco revoked all access of all regular contributors without prior warning. Everything is still open source - so we all could fork anytime (which you actually proofed). We all have local copies - so ... But its also known (to me) that Eelco started getting more and more interested in git very

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Phil Hagelberg
Shea Levy s...@shealevy.com writes: Hi Peter, On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:45 AM, Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to wrote: - pkgs is a database of free software packages that can be installed with the Nix package manager. Will proprietary or non-GPL'd software be allowed to be

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Kirill Elagin
This kind of problem absolutely should be reported as an issue in GitHub or elsewhere. For me as for still a pretty outside observer it seems that the main problem of NixOS for now is lack of… let's call it specifications. I'm sure all those issues will be addressed sooner or later when we

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Marc Weber
I've just collected those two items here. https://nixos.org/wiki/TODO_-_What_is_missing_in_the_nix_community%3F If more popup add them. Let's keep in mind that nixos is young - and that there might be additional requirements tomorrow. Thus let's think carefully about which policies we need - the

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Sander van der Burg - EWI
] on behalf of Marc Weber [marco-owe...@gmx.de] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:07 PM To: nix-dev Subject: Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager Eelco revoked all access of all regular contributors without prior warning. Everything is still open

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Bryce L Nordgren
In the Linux kernel development process, the only official tree is Linus' kernel tree. Linus only works with a small group of people each maintaining a subsystem of the kernel, such as the memory manager, I/O scheduler etc. These subsystem maintainers have their own tree (which they regularly

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Eelco Dolstra
Hi, On 26/06/12 18:58, Bryce L Nordgren wrote: Seen from this perspective, the nixpkgs/nixos repositories are rather monolithic: You'd have to manually assemble a complete Nix expression in a directory on your system, composed of some free-nix expressions and some NixOS expressions. Then

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Eelco Dolstra
Hi, On 26/06/12 12:02, Peter Simons wrote: Eelco revoked all access of all regular contributors without prior warning. The Git migration has been going on for a while, so in that sense the actual switchover shouldn't be *that* unexpected. I then asked for input on the desired development

Re: [Nix-dev] Announcing free-nix: the free Linux distribution based on the Nix package manager

2012-06-26 Thread Peter Simons
Hi Eelco, if you bear with me for a second, I'd like to explain where I'm coming from. I have contributed to Nix regularly for the last 4 years. According to the stats at Github, I've submitted an average of 1.6 commits per day over that entire period of time. I'm not saying that because want to