Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-30 Thread Michael Richardson
Philipp wrote: >> %-16(putstrf{List-Id}) >> >> to my scan arguments, and it's close, but not yet what I want. >> Ideally, I just want what's in <> of the List-Id:, and I'd be happy with the >> first 16 characters only. But I can't see a way to get that. So I'd settle

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-30 Thread Ken Hornstein
>You could just use: > >%(addr{list-id}) Very clever! --Ken -- nmh-workers https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-30 Thread Philipp
[2019-09-29 18:16] Michael Richardson > So I've added: > >%-16(putstrf{List-Id}) > > to my scan arguments, and it's close, but not yet what I want. > Ideally, I just want what's in <> of the List-Id:, and I'd be happy with the > first 16 characters only. But I can't see a way to get that.

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-29 Thread Michael Richardson
Ken Hornstein wrote: >> to my scan arguments, and it's close, but not yet what I want. >> Ideally, I just want what's in <> of the List-Id:, and I'd be happy with the >> first 16 characters only. But I can't see a way to get that. So I'd settle >> for the last 16 bytes of the

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-29 Thread Ken Hornstein
>to my scan arguments, and it's close, but not yet what I want. >Ideally, I just want what's in <> of the List-Id:, and I'd be happy with the >first 16 characters only. But I can't see a way to get that. So I'd settle >for the last 16 bytes of the entire header, but I can't get that either.

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-29 Thread Michael Richardson
Michael Richardson wrote: >> Sigh. I KNEW you were going to say that, but ... certainly you SOMEHOW >> managed to live without this feature UP UNTIL NOW. I have given you a >> solution that works for the upcoming changes to THIS mailing list. You >> can expand on it as you

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:35:25 -0400 From:Ken Hornstein Message-ID: <20190927173529.e363896...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com> | I am assuming that we are fine with | the "don't modify the message" setting for this mailing list It is certainly fine with me, I have never

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Michael Richardson
Ken Hornstein wrote: >> yes, but that's too specific. I'd like it generically for all lists :-) > Sigh. I KNEW you were going to say that, but ... certainly you SOMEHOW > managed to live without this feature UP UNTIL NOW. I have given you a > solution that works for the

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Ken Hornstein
>yes, but that's too specific. I'd like it generically for all lists :-) Sigh. I KNEW you were going to say that, but ... certainly you SOMEHOW managed to live without this feature UP UNTIL NOW. I have given you a solution that works for the upcoming changes to THIS mailing list. You can

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Michael Richardson
Ken Hornstein wrote: > The key is this line: > %<{list-id}%<(match nmh-workers)[nmh-workers] %>%>\ > What that means is: > If the list-id header is set, AND it contains the string nmh-workers, > then output the string "[nmh-workers] ". You might find that >

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Ken Hornstein
>> I won't mind if the Subject stops being mangled (I use the >> list-post header for filtering). I also won't mind if the body >> stops being mangled > >I do, so let me ask: > >can I get List-Id easily inserted into scan output in a way that will >make mh-e happy? Given the current

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Ken Hornstein
>But that makes me wonder a bit: how much does that cost? Everyone. Can we NOT TALK ON THE GODDAMN NMH MAILING LIST about HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO PAY TO RUN YOUR OWN MAIL SERVER to WORK AROUND DMARC FILTERING. Please? --Ken -- nmh-workers https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/nmh-workers

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Ken Hornstein
>these e-mail filtering techniques ought to be applied to the envelope >and to the Sender: header, not to From:. nothing we can do about that? Sigh. I hate to wade into this, but ... I understand where people are coming from. Current MUAs don't display the Sender: by default (and I suspect

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
hymie! wrote in <20190927142152.ga21...@alfred.local.net>: |On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 02:54:14AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: |> Ken Hornstein wrote on 2019-09-26 09:36: |>> I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive |>> summary is: in the near future subject lines to

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Paul Vixie wrote in <2b52ccf2-a559-9b70-869c-68da37fee...@redbarn.org>: |Ken Hornstein wrote on 2019-09-26 09:36: |> Everyone, |> |> I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive |> summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no |> longer be

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190926231658.6947788...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>: |>And it is entirely unrelated to this thread of course. | |I mean, at least we're in agreement there :-/ And I'm not even sure |WHY you care about what version of TLS that eggs.gnu.org supports, since |it is handling

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Paul Vixie
hymie! wrote on 2019-09-27 07:21:> Unfortunately, Yahoo isn't the only culrpit. More and more servers are honoring DMARC. yes, i know. I, for example, keep my email on my own server at home, but because my ISP blocks port 25, I have to hire a third party to receive and re-send my email

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Michael Richardson
Ken Hornstein wrote: > I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive > summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no > longer be prefixed with "[nmh-workers]" and there won't be a footer > at the end of the message anyone saying that

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Michael Richardson
Andy Bradford wrote: > I won't mind if the Subject stops being mangled (I use the list-post > header for filtering). I also won't mind if the body stops being > mangled I do, so let me ask: can I get List-Id easily inserted into scan output in a way that will make mh-e happy?

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread hymie!
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 02:54:14AM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: > > Ken Hornstein wrote on 2019-09-26 09:36: > > Everyone, > > > > I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive > > summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no > > longer be prefixed with

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Paul Vixie
Ken Hornstein wrote on 2019-09-26 09:36: Everyone, I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no longer be prefixed with "[nmh-workers]" and there won't be a footer at the end of the message anyone

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-27 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Ken, > the other option is to do what is called "Munge From" That's one other option. Note, nmh-workers has been configured with dmarc_moderation_action="Munge From" for ages and no one here has grumbled. It typically only munges Froms from Yahoo! I expect the other two nmh lists match

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-26 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Ken Hornstein on Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:36:41 -0400: > You can read the details in the message for the complete technical > reasons why this is happening; the other option is to do what is > called "Munge From" and I personally think this is 100x worse (I am on > a Yahoo mailing

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-26 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:36:41 -0400, Ken Hornstein said: > I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive > summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no > longer be prefixed with "[nmh-workers]" and there won't be a footer > at the end of the message

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-26 Thread Ken Hornstein
>And it is entirely unrelated to this thread of course. I mean, at least we're in agreement there :-/ And I'm not even sure WHY you care about what version of TLS that eggs.gnu.org supports, since it is handling messages for public mailing lists. >I personally feel sad because of the direction

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-26 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190926174635.3b44384...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>: |>Yuck. As a purely rhetorical note, do they have a plan to upgrade |>from the TLS 1.0 they use. (And i hope this does not qualify as |>sexual harassment. It is not! I eat at home, like the Beatles.) | |I ... do not

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-26 Thread Ken Hornstein
>Yuck. As a purely rhetorical note, do they have a plan to upgrade >from the TLS 1.0 they use. (And i hope this does not qualify as >sexual harassment. It is not! I eat at home, like the Beatles.) I ... do not know about the TLS 1.0 issues, nor do I see how it's relevant to this discussion.

Re: [nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-26 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Ken Hornstein wrote in <20190926163645.c801a82...@pb-smtp20.pobox.com>: |Everyone, | |I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive |summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no |longer be prefixed with "[nmh-workers]" and there won't be a footer

[nmh-workers] FSF is changing Mailman list settings unless you opt out (fwd)

2019-09-26 Thread Ken Hornstein
Everyone, I received this email, and I wanted to pass it along. The executive summary is: in the near future subject lines to nmh-workers will no longer be prefixed with "[nmh-workers]" and there won't be a footer at the end of the message anyone saying that this is the nmh-workers mailing list.