[No Thirst Software] Re: Soubts about buckets and multiple accounts

2009-06-03 Thread Oletros

Thanks for all your answers.

In our case, we doen't pool our earnings together, we reconcile at the
end of the month and both of us do a transaction to the common account.
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[No Thirst Software] Re: Soubts about buckets and multiple accounts

2009-06-02 Thread Kevin Hoctor

On Jun 2, 2009, at 4:15 AM, Oletros wrote:

 Hi, I have some doubts about how MW works.

 Currently I'm using 2 different documents, one for my personal
 accounts and another for my house accounts.

 If I use only one document for all the accounts, how the spending
 buckets will be treated? Do I have to duplicate buckets for the two
 accounts (Personal Restaurants and House Restaurants) or I can use
 just one (Restaurants) and I can view the bucket for the two
 accounts?

Hello,

Actually, I don't see the difference between house and personal  
accounts. If you are trying to use an envelope budgeting system (or  
any budget really), you can't break out accounts like this or you will  
end up losing track of where you money is really spent. The whole idea  
is to have one single set of buckets and only spend what has been  
allocated to the buckets so that you get away from viewing account  
balances as the source of your cash flow.

The exception to this rule is if you are running a business and you  
need to keep business spending 100 percent separate from personal.

 Will the iPhone version deal with multiple documents?


Yes, it will.

Peace,

Kevin Hoctor
ke...@nothirst.com
No Thirst Software LLC
http://nothirst.com
http://kevinhoctor.blogspot.com


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[No Thirst Software] Re: Soubts about buckets and multiple accounts

2009-06-02 Thread Oletros

On Jun 2, 3:15 pm, Kevin Hoctor ke...@nothirst.com wrote:

 Actually, I don't see the difference between house and personal  
 accounts. If you are trying to use an envelope budgeting system (or  
 any budget really), you can't break out accounts like this or you will  
 end up losing track of where you money is really spent.  Peace,

 Kevin Hoctor
 ke...@nothirst.com
 No Thirst Software LLChttp://nothirst.comhttp://kevinhoctor.blogspot.com

The Personal account is my own account and I have my own buckets for
my personal expenses.

The House account is an account owned by my wife and I and we track
the expenses we do in common.

I have a bucket in my Personal document which is House Expenses where
I transfer the money. Is like to withdraw from the account and put it
on the Cash only.

In the House document we have an Income bucket called House income
where we transfer the money from our personal accounts.

So, we have under control the buckets but my own expenses are
independent from the common ones.
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[No Thirst Software] Re: Soubts about buckets and multiple accounts

2009-06-02 Thread Druzyne

 Currently I'm using 2 different documents, one for my personal
 accounts and another for my house accounts.

 If I use only one document for all the accounts, how the spending
 buckets will be treated? Do I have to duplicate buckets for the two
 accounts (Personal Restaurants and House Restaurants) or I can use
 just one (Restaurants) and I can view the bucket for the two
 accounts?

Oletros,

I personally think you'd be saving yourself a lot of extra work and
confusion by having just one document with both your personal and
joint accounts. For starters, you'd have a single transfer transaction
for contributions to the joint account - rather than having to open
another document and recreate the transaction. Also, you'll get the
benefit of being able to see all your money at once.

Since the separate accounts indicate separate purposes, it's not
inappropriate for there to be a bucket for each. How many duplicates
are there? If you're looking to consolidate buckets, you might be able
to combine some of the household expenses, or some of the personal
expenses in one bucket. For example, an Entertainment and a
Vacation bucket could be combined into a Fun bucket.

Soon I'll be joining my accounts with those of my fiancee, and I think
MoneyWell perfectly allows the independence many find in personal
accounts. Much like a virtual account, we each will have an NQA bucket
(No Questions Asked) for personal discretionary spending. Whether we
save for big-ticket personal purchases, or blow it on a lot of small
things, is completely up to us individually. We think it will work
because we trust each other to stick to the limits, but we don't have
to justify these purchases to each other. That's the theory, anyways -
we'll see how it holds up in practice :)

//Drew
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[No Thirst Software] Re: Soubts about buckets and multiple accounts

2009-06-02 Thread Karen

Wow, Drew. I'm impressed--a healthy money relationship before you even  
get married!
Love the NQA buckets. :-)
Karen

On 2-Jun-09, at 2:54 PM, Druzyne wrote:


 Currently I'm using 2 different documents, one for my personal
 accounts and another for my house accounts.

 If I use only one document for all the accounts, how the spending
 buckets will be treated? Do I have to duplicate buckets for the two
 accounts (Personal Restaurants and House Restaurants) or I can use
 just one (Restaurants) and I can view the bucket for the two
 accounts?

 Oletros,

 I personally think you'd be saving yourself a lot of extra work and
 confusion by having just one document with both your personal and
 joint accounts. For starters, you'd have a single transfer transaction
 for contributions to the joint account - rather than having to open
 another document and recreate the transaction. Also, you'll get the
 benefit of being able to see all your money at once.

 Since the separate accounts indicate separate purposes, it's not
 inappropriate for there to be a bucket for each. How many duplicates
 are there? If you're looking to consolidate buckets, you might be able
 to combine some of the household expenses, or some of the personal
 expenses in one bucket. For example, an Entertainment and a
 Vacation bucket could be combined into a Fun bucket.

 Soon I'll be joining my accounts with those of my fiancee, and I think
 MoneyWell perfectly allows the independence many find in personal
 accounts. Much like a virtual account, we each will have an NQA bucket
 (No Questions Asked) for personal discretionary spending. Whether we
 save for big-ticket personal purchases, or blow it on a lot of small
 things, is completely up to us individually. We think it will work
 because we trust each other to stick to the limits, but we don't have
 to justify these purchases to each other. That's the theory, anyways -
 we'll see how it holds up in practice :)

 //Drew
 


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[No Thirst Software] Re: Soubts about buckets and multiple accounts

2009-06-02 Thread HenrikWL

I just had to chime in on this. This is exactly how me and my wife
arrange our household economy. We pool all of our earnings in one big
pool, but set aside an NQA bucket each every month that we use for
personal stuff. This makes it perfectly fair even though my income is
higher than hers, because our NQA buckets are equal in size.

So I say go for that arrangement, Drew! :D

On Jun 2, 8:07 pm, Karen kar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wow, Drew. I'm impressed--a healthy money relationship before you even  
 get married!
 Love the NQA buckets. :-)
 Karen

 On 2-Jun-09, at 2:54 PM, Druzyne wrote:





  Currently I'm using 2 different documents, one for my personal
  accounts and another for my house accounts.

  If I use only one document for all the accounts, how the spending
  buckets will be treated? Do I have to duplicate buckets for the two
  accounts (Personal Restaurants and House Restaurants) or I can use
  just one (Restaurants) and I can view the bucket for the two
  accounts?

  Oletros,

  I personally think you'd be saving yourself a lot of extra work and
  confusion by having just one document with both your personal and
  joint accounts. For starters, you'd have a single transfer transaction
  for contributions to the joint account - rather than having to open
  another document and recreate the transaction. Also, you'll get the
  benefit of being able to see all your money at once.

  Since the separate accounts indicate separate purposes, it's not
  inappropriate for there to be a bucket for each. How many duplicates
  are there? If you're looking to consolidate buckets, you might be able
  to combine some of the household expenses, or some of the personal
  expenses in one bucket. For example, an Entertainment and a
  Vacation bucket could be combined into a Fun bucket.

  Soon I'll be joining my accounts with those of my fiancee, and I think
  MoneyWell perfectly allows the independence many find in personal
  accounts. Much like a virtual account, we each will have an NQA bucket
  (No Questions Asked) for personal discretionary spending. Whether we
  save for big-ticket personal purchases, or blow it on a lot of small
  things, is completely up to us individually. We think it will work
  because we trust each other to stick to the limits, but we don't have
  to justify these purchases to each other. That's the theory, anyways -
  we'll see how it holds up in practice :)

  //Drew
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