[NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator
The fun comes - in trying to keep drones in tune - when different drones move in opposite directions as the pressure fluctuates. Ideally, they shouldn't care about pressure that much, so fluctuations to keep chanter notes in tune don't affect the drone notes. But once they decide that the G drone will go down and the d drone will go up as the pressure changes this way or that, there is at most one pressure which stops the beating. If the chanter isn't in tune then, you are doomed. Once 3 drones move significantly, you are probably doomed anyway. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Dave S Sent: 20 April 2010 10:29 To: Anthony Robb; Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site Subject: [NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator Hi Anthony, Don't miss the idea that one can clearly hear the beat note between mis-tuned drones with the Saymulator. This does actually give a target, and knowing that pressure controls all, in the real world, may well help beginners to start to use their ears. ciao Dave Anthony Robb wrote: Hellos apiece This is an intriguing idea but I can't help wondering whether simulator might be too strong a claim? In 35 years of piping tuition, not only in the UK but also Germany, NZ and USA, I've clocked up over 5000 tutee-hrs of experience and the first (also main and universal) stumbling block with our instrument is keeping the bag well-filled and maintaining a steady pressure. A smallpipes simulator that does not have this as part of its make up is a bit like having a flight simulator that only does the taxiing bit
[NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator
It seems then that this Simulator is very much of the moment, since all the planes can do at the moment is taxi, (due to the antics of what the Mirror has called the VILE-CANO, hyphenated in case their readers didn't get it!) Maybe we could go for the more snappy title of Smallpipes Chanteranddronessimulator Tim - Original Message - From: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com To: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [NSP] Smallpipes Simulator Hellos apiece This is an intriguing idea but I can't help wondering whether simulator might be too strong a claim? In 35 years of piping tuition, not only in the UK but also Germany, NZ and USA, I've clocked up over 5000 tutee-hrs of experience and the first (also main and universal) stumbling block with our instrument is keeping the bag well-filled and maintaining a steady pressure. A smallpipes simulator that does not have this as part of its make up is a bit like having a flight simulator that only does the taxiing bit. There may be plans to provide under-arm pressure sensitive pads to simulate this main difficulty but until they are available perhaps a more accurate description would be in order? Cheers Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator
True, but perfection and beauty are not always found together methinks. In 1971 I played pipes on the Topic album Transpennine. The track was Nelly O' Bob's ot Crowtrees. David Hillery changed the key from G to A on the morning of recording and my pipes wouldn't do A drones so I borrowed Gerry Murphy's set (Gerry himself played a set- pitch Billy Conroy whistle made from plastic waste pipe). You can imagine the problems!! I mentioned the iffy playing and tuning to Tony Engle when he came to record Cut Dry Dolly in 1975. He reckoned it was one of the most moving and beautiful things he had heard. His opinion knocked me backwards and made me re-evaluate my ideas on piping and traditional music in general. As aye Anthony --- On Tue, 20/4/10, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: From: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Subject: [NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 20 April, 2010, 10:36 one can clearly hear the beat note between mis-tuned drones with the Saymulator. You can hear it on some recordings of real pipers too! Not to mention the chanter out of tune with the drones. If the cap fits ... c To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator v1.1
I'll update it in a couple of yesterdays... along with the pitch (which is wrong) and a Linux issue when I can track it down. R Quoting Matt Seattle theborderpi...@googlemail.com: What impresses me most is the time travel involved - (c) Rob Say, November 2010 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Smallpipes Simulator v1.1
That's a fun thing. I can see that it will be valuable to me as a new NSP player. Zack Arbios rob@milecastle27.co.uk wrote: Hello all - After a considerable break (and prompted by a hurdy gurdy player who has a done a similar thing!) I've updated my NSP simulator application. http://www.milecastle27.co.uk/simulator/index.html Changes include: - more help menus (right click) - check tuning function - integral sound check - tutorials (help menu) - more ( smoother) controls for chanter notes and drone tuning Many thanks for all those who have commented and made suggestions previously, I've managed to include some of these. I'd be very interested in any additional feedback - especially on the tutorials (which are aimed at non or new pipers). Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
On 28 May 2009, at 09:26, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: I also think Bach, Berg and the Beatles are pretty good. I think they were all pretty awful pipers. Don't know about J. S. Bach. This, though, from Dr. Johnson, in Boswell's 'Life of . . . Bach, Sir? Bach's concert? And pray, Sir, who is Bach? Is he a piper?' J. C. Bach, of course. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
Wasn't Sebastian's grandpa, Christoph Bach, a town piper in Erfurt? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood Sent: 28 May 2009 09:57 To: christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Cc: Dartmouth NPS Subject: [NSP] Re: smallpipes On 28 May 2009, at 09:26, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: I also think Bach, Berg and the Beatles are pretty good. I think they were all pretty awful pipers. Don't know about J. S. Bach. This, though, from Dr. Johnson, in Boswell's 'Life of . . . Bach, Sir? Bach's concert? And pray, Sir, who is Bach? Is he a piper?' J. C. Bach, of course. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
The point about KT's gracenotes isn't that they are there, but they are open-fingered. Not in the traditional manner - indeed 'a grievous error in smallpiping'. Tom Clough had gracenotes - but his style was to play those detached from the notes they decorated. 'There is no arguing with taste - some people like to do things one way, and other people know better' John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Sent: 28 May 2009 09:26 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: smallpipes popularised by the media. As is KT. Maybe, but not in my case. I haven't lived in Britain for decade and she has not to my knowledge ever once been mentioned in the local media where I live (and I can't be bothered reading newspapers). I just got to know her through her CDs (after I had taken up nsp - I'd never heard of her before) and was blown away by the sheer musicality of her playing, quite apart from her stunning technique. OK, she chooses to throw in more gracenotes and slides than is to some people's taste, but taste is a matter of, er, taste. (isn't it?) I think it was John Liestman's book among other things that led me to believe than lots of gracenotes was a Good Thing. I think he writes something to the effect that an accomplished player will throw in all sorts of ornamentation that the beginner might miss. I don't have the book at hand. KT has mastered the tradition, internalised it, and built on it. She is a creator rather than a curator. But she seems to have committed the unforgivable crime of being too successful. These are my personal views. I also think Bach, Berg and the Beatles are pretty good. De gustibus etc. chirs -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
J.S. Bach's father was the town piper. Or should that be toon piper? Back to the Festival (see link), Richard Leach On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:57:11AM +0100, Francis Wood has written: On 28 May 2009, at 09:26, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: I also think Bach, Berg and the Beatles are pretty good. I think they were all pretty awful pipers. Don't know about J. S. Bach. This, though, from Dr. Johnson, in Boswell's 'Life of . . . Bach, Sir? Bach's concert? And pray, Sir, who is Bach? Is he a piper?' J. C. Bach, of course. Francis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Richard A Leach | Simply elegant since 1970: unix. The great little festival -- http://www.PennineSpringMusic.co.uk A Centre of Excellence for Domestic Information Technology Solutions 5344.9735,N,00201.2268,W,263.0
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
Richard wrote J.S. Bach's father was the town piper. Or should that be toon piper? It should, of course, be Stadtpfeiffer. Town Bandsman is probably the best translation. Usual English equivalent was Waits. London, York and other major cities had them - but in Germany they always took that kind of thing very seriously. The musicians played shawms, cornetts, trombones etc. - loud instruments for playing over the town from the top of towers http://www.answers.com/topic/turmmusik-music - but also quieter instruments (lutes, violins, viols, flutes, recorders) for indoor functions, mayor's banquets, trade guild dinners etc. - and in church too. Some of them could probably turn their hands to bagpipes as well, when needed. Here's a convenient picture ( from a CD which came up when I googled stadtpfeiffer - usual commercial disclaimers apply) www.amazon.co.uk/Stadtpfeiffer-Renaissance-Germany-Paul-Hofhaimer/dp/B56OE8 The Bachs had been at it for so many generations that in his home town a Bach was another word for musician. When J.S. was a lad he would have been taught by his father to play most instruments - but not I think the bagpipes. Philip To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
On May 28, 2009, at 4:26 AM, [1]christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: KT has mastered the tradition, internalised it, and built on it. She is a creator rather than a curator. Since Chris has been saying such nice things about KT I thought I should re-visit her work, in case I'm missing something. Check the following link and you too will be impressed! [2]http://james.nerdiphythesoul.com/bennyhillifier/?id=JR5UoFbcI5Y (Give it a couple of seconds to finish loading, and turn the sound up!) -- References 1. mailto:christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu 2. http://james.nerdiphythesoul.com/bennyhillifier/?id=JR5UoFbcI5Y To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
Light relief. Looks like a Reid set? And Jack Armstrong must have taught him
something- he's got only one finger off!
I remember articles years ago in the society Magazine about Jack Armstrong's
visit to Hollywood, including speculation about Marylin Monroe and the
pipes..
As I recall some filming had taken place but never reached the screen.
Bill
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Of Ian Lawther
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To: Adrian
Cc: nsp
Subject: [NSP] Re: smallpipes
Adrian wrote:
What are the Northumberland bagpipes;what are they?
They are something extremely raremust be true - it says so here
http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isgmediauid={8A307924-903
A-4ECE-ABF4-5C68EBAD5E6E}
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[NSP] Re: smallpipes
There is no doubt that KT can play as accurately as anyone, when/if she chooses to. But as she has got more 'popular' the style has got more open - lots of choytes, still against an otherwise closed background. She's obviously trying to add contrast. Too many choytes for my taste, though. The closed end chanter may be more than a century older than Peacock. Remember the thread about the Talbot MS? It was keys that came in in his time. John -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu Sent: 27 May 2009 11:55 To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: smallpipes Dear all, Very interesting, and thanks for the link. A choyte at 00.02 and again at 00.09, a slurred, or near as dammit, low f# grace note at 00.07 (and similar things near the beginning of the Keel Row - e.g. the very first two notes and the F# to G at 01:37). JA's accompaniment to BI is downright bizarre but I rather like it. some obvious open fingering? Or am I more cloth-eared than I thought? and what tuning system is he using? All very traditional - honest! ;-) Shame about BI's vocals. Some nice spiky crisp playing from KT (with the odd tasteful choyte to liven things up, not to mention the impeccable intonation - she's the most in-tune piper I've ever heard, and is excellently matched in both this respect and stylistically by Andy May on duets on her Back to the Hills album). Richard Butler being (to my cloth ears) rather naughtier (in Rothbury Hills) than KT has ever been guilty of where lazy gracing is concerned. I still like the noise he makes tho and it's a nice flashy BC's Fancy (idem on KT's latest album). What is the tradition? It depends which one. A few hundred years back the tradition would been have what prevented us from developing closed-end chanters and keys like that upstart Peacock ;-) (running for cover!!!) chirs To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
No she can't ; she didn't in the early days nor can she now. Adrian To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
Adrian wrote:
What are the Northumberland bagpipes;what are they?
They are something extremely raremust be true - it says so here
http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isgmediauid={8A307924-903A-4ECE-ABF4-5C68EBAD5E6E}
Ian
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