Re: [NTG-context] Draw chess board
Hi Wolfgang, Actually, the sgf file always contains strings like SZ[19] which indicates the board size is 19x19, so I think if I wanna manually input a game, just type SZ[??] will be more convenient. The main problem is how to move dead stones from the board, this is not so easy in tex or metapost. I looked at other sgf viewers, and still have no idea. Another problem is that the output file is very big (of course, because it contains like hundreds of graphics), can I use some command like \pdfcompresslevel to compress these graphics? The default value of \pdfcompresslevel is 9 and the pdf output file is like 4M, when I use winrar to compress it, it shrinked to less than 700k. So I think there should be some way to compress it more. On 6/11/07, Wolfgang Schuster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2007/6/11, Zhichu Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi guys > > I've modified my module again, then you can click to demostrate a game. The > source file is attached and the resulting pdf file is pretty huge so I just > upload to my google page (I think there's a bandwidth limitation so I use > winrar to compress it): > http://zhichu.chen.googlepages.com/sgfstack.rar Hi Chen, nice module. One suggestion for your Todo list: size option for the board (goban): - small (9 x 9) - medium (13 x 13) - big (19 x 19), default size Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- Best Regards Chen Zhi-chu Chen | Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility No. 2019 | Jialuo Rd. | Jiading | Shanghai | P.R. China tel: 086 21 5955 3405 | zhichu.chen.googlepages.com | www.sinap.ac.cn ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
Quoting nico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:42:23 -0400, Aditya Mahajan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I had not looked at them and some of the things about handling
>> at the ConTeXt end are more clear now. But I think that I did not
>> explain my question correctly.
>>
>> What I do not understand how are abbreviations etc. handled by xslt for
>> conversion into html. For example, how do I write an xsl style sheet
>> that converts this xml input
>>
>>
>>
>> I study which stands for > value="EECS", infull="yes">
>>
>> into html as
>>
>> I study EECS which stands for Electrical Engineering and Computer
>> Science
>>
>> I know that this is not the right list to ask this sort of questions,
>> but I am hoping that there are xml users here and they will be able to
>> point me to the right direction.
>
> I haven't followed the thread, but attached an idea of doing what you
> want with XSLT. Note that your example is not valid at all (commas
> between attributes, missing ending '/' for empty elements).
Thank you. This is exactly what I wanted. I will now go back to using
xml for simple documents and see how things go.
> BTW, it's not a good idea to use the same attribute ("value") as an
> reference identifier, and for referencing to another element.
Ok. I will keep this in mind.
Thanks,
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
Hello, On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:31:45 -0500, Pepe Barbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with it > and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. > > Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout the > content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not (Forgive my > ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain Text, or RTF (Those > are the formats that I can think of that are interesting to me > currently). > > Reading the Wiki one of those solutions would be XML, but I know very > little about the subject, so this email is to ask about experiences in > similar endeavors, other solutions for the same problem and how > practical this is. > > I suppose that I would use this for general writing and for academic > as well (Maths and engineering). XML is a good format if you need several output formats without losing information (XHTML, HTML, PDF, manpages, plain text). But I recommend some well established grammar (DITA, DocBook) to be able to use their official transformation tools, and to be able to use some XML WYSIWYG editor that supports them natively (like XXE). Strangely enough the PDF output is weakest point since most of the tools use FO and the related compilers (well known FOP, maybe xmlroff, maybe fotex) which can give very ugly output. The only good compiler I know is XEP, but it is not free (there's a full featured personnal edition that sticks its logo on every page). For docbook, you can try marginal tools to convert the XML to *tex formats (DocbookInContext, db2latex, dblatex). You can also directly use the native XML handling of context (method used by DocbookInContext) but IMHO it needs some context knowledge. Personnaly I use docbook, mostly because I have to produce PDF, HTML, and troff (manpages) outputs. It is even possible to convert some already existing manpages to docbook with doclifter. Regards, BG ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:42:23 -0400, Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Thanks. I had not looked at them and some of the things about handling
at the ConTeXt end are more clear now. But I think that I did not
explain my question correctly.
What I do not understand how are abbreviations etc. handled by xslt for
conversion into html. For example, how do I write an xsl style sheet
that converts this xml input
I study which stands for
into html as
I study EECS which stands for Electrical Engineering and Computer
Science
I know that this is not the right list to ask this sort of questions,
but I am hoping that there are xml users here and they will be able to
point me to the right direction.
I haven't followed the thread, but attached an idea of doing what you want
with XSLT. Note that your example is not valid at all (commas between
attributes, missing ending '/' for empty elements). BTW, it's not a good
idea to use the same attribute ("value") as an reference identifier, and
for referencing to another element.
Regards,
myxsl.xsl
Description: Binary data
I study which stands for
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Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
Quoting Wolfgang Schuster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2007/6/11, Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hmm... somehome I had missed xtag-ent.tex. I was looking at xml >> introductions, and did not look into ConTeXt sources. I will have a >> look and see how it goes. >> >> Thanks, >> Aditya > > Hi Aditya, > > the XML-Document example.pdf is a little bit outdated (Hans changed a few > commands). The important files for xml are xtag-ini and xtag-ext, you should > take a look into the contml module. Thanks. I had not looked at them and some of the things about handling at the ConTeXt end are more clear now. But I think that I did not explain my question correctly. What I do not understand how are abbreviations etc. handled by xslt for conversion into html. For example, how do I write an xsl style sheet that converts this xml input I study which stands for into html as I study EECS which stands for Electrical Engineering and Computer Science I know that this is not the right list to ask this sort of questions, but I am hoping that there are xml users here and they will be able to point me to the right direction. Thanks, Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Draw chess board
2007/6/11, Zhichu Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi guys > > I've modified my module again, then you can click to demostrate a game. The > source file is attached and the resulting pdf file is pretty huge so I just > upload to my google page (I think there's a bandwidth limitation so I use > winrar to compress it): > http://zhichu.chen.googlepages.com/sgfstack.rar Hi Chen, nice module. One suggestion for your Todo list: size option for the board (goban): - small (9 x 9) - medium (13 x 13) - big (19 x 19), default size Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Draw chess board
Hi guys I've modified my module again, then you can click to demostrate a game. The source file is attached and the resulting pdf file is pretty huge so I just upload to my google page (I think there's a bandwidth limitation so I use winrar to compress it): http://zhichu.chen.googlepages.com/sgfstack.rar On 6/11/07, Zhichu Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Mojca, The stones are very very nice now, thank you for your hints. Since I haven't used TikZ before, I have no idea how to handle these events. I'll learn it later and rewrite my module to be more professional :) All I'm thinking now is how to make each step a single symbol so that I could use \fieldstack to demonstrate the game. By the way, I modified my module to do some fieldstack thing, but it gets a weird error. I have no idea what's the error about, it's fine when I'm using MPdrawing environment but it can't output anything when I switch to buffer and use \processMPbuffer. On 6/10/07, Mojca Miklavec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/6/07, Zhichu Chen wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've tried to write a test file which can only handle ;B[??], ;W[??], > > AB[??], AW[??] now, and I haven't added the interaction part. But it > is a > > good start. > > > > Any suggestions? > > Wow - that's really, really impressive! You indeed started parsing the > strings in plain TeX! > > I've changed your source slightly, to give you an idea of yet another > approach: using TikZ. It's main advantage over metapost might be: > - you can draw more fancy stones (see the example - that could be made > configurable of course), although teoretically the same could be > achived with slightly improved smooth shading mechanism in mptopdf > macros > - might be easier to backport to (La)TeX > - I can imagine your module to be a new, really nice TikZ > package/module (that could be used in other flavours of TeX) + some > fancy ConTeXt additions (user interface, javascript, ...). > > The main difference is that you need to store all the variables in > TeX, not in metapost, so that part should be rewritten as well (which > I didn't do). > > But simply forget about my stupid comments about (La)TeX for and do it > your way now. > > Mojca > > (I have some other comments, but it's too early to speak about them, > since the module is not ready/complete yet.) > > > On 5/24/07, Zhichu Chen wrote: > > Hi > > > > I love chess games, especially one kind of them which is generally > called > > Go. > > > > I know there is some file can store each details in one game: > > http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/ > > > > AFAIK, there is no module available to draw chess in ConTeXt now. I > wanna do > > this by using MetaPost and fieldstack. But I don't know how to tell > metapost > > the details of the sgf file. Can anyone give me a suggestion? > > > > BTW, I don't like the name. It's invented by acient Chinese and it's > called > > Weiqi. I think we can call it Siege Chess in English. > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Chen > > > ___ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___ > > > -- Best Regards Chen Zhi-chu Chen | Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility No. 2019 | Jialuo Rd. | Jiading | Shanghai | P.R. China tel: 086 21 5955 3405 | zhichu.chen.googlepages.com | www.sinap.ac.cn -- Best Regards Chen Zhi-chu Chen | Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility No. 2019 | Jialuo Rd. | Jiading | Shanghai | P.R. China tel: 086 21 5955 3405 | zhichu.chen.googlepages.com | www.sinap.ac.cn sgfstack.tex Description: TeX document ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
2007/6/11, Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hmm... somehome I had missed xtag-ent.tex. I was looking at xml > introductions, and did not look into ConTeXt sources. I will have a > look and see how it goes. > > Thanks, > Aditya Hi Aditya, the XML-Document example.pdf is a little bit outdated (Hans changed a few commands). The important files for xml are xtag-ini and xtag-ext, you should take a look into the contml module. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, John R. Culleton wrote: > On Sunday 10 June 2007 23:49, Aditya Mahajan wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Pepe Barbe wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with >>> it and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. >>> >>> Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout >>> the content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not >>> (Forgive my ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain >>> Text, or RTF (Those are the formats that I can think of that are >>> interesting to me currently). >>> > I don't think it is possible to come up with an "universal elixir" > that does any format from source and is efficient to use. Plain text > is the exchange medium I use. XML is too cumbersome to code by hand. > Therefore I have solutions for specific situations. For example when > a customer presents me with a non-fiction document already laid out > in MSWord, I first save it as rtf. Then I run it through the program > rtf2latex2e. This gives me an executable LaTeX file, with all the > font changes etc. preserved. The I edit it in Gvim, using mass > changes to convert LaTeX tags to an equivalent Context format. Some, > like all the begin/end tags I just delete en masse. This approach is fine if you have to convert only once. However, if you want to occassionally update the sources and get an updated html and pdf output, it can be too much work. For situations like this, I think that, at least for just text + graphics, xml is the most robust way. Of course, there are also plain text markup formats, like wiki markup, restructured text, textile, etc. If the document is really simple, they may be easier to use. There are many plain text markup to LaTeX convertor, but no plain text to ConTeXt convertor that I know of. I remember there was someone on the list who had written scripts to convert wiki markup into context and then to pdf. I do not know if these scripts are publically available. Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
Hi Thomas,
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
> On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
>> Some of the difficulties that I faced with simple documents was:
>>
>> 1. What is the xml equivalent of ||
>> 2. What is the xml equivalent of ~ ( ??)
>> 3. What is the xml equivalent of
>>
>> \abbreviation {EECS} {Electrical Engineering and Computer Science}
>> and then \EECS\ and \infull{EECS}.
>
> Hi Aditya,
>
> I've just begun experimenting with xlm (because, as Duncan has
> pointed out, I'm sure that every line I write is for eternity...).
> Anyway, what I say here may be totally wrong, but here's how I treat
> this stuff:
>
> 1. For || or |-|, I have defined an entity in my DTD:
>
>
>
> In my environment for processing the xml files, I have
>
> \defineXMLentity[conthyph]{|-|}
>
> so I can write context&conthyph;specific and get the output I expect.
>
> 2. Yes, I use with these definitions:
>
> \defineXMLentity[nbsp]{~}
Ah. Thanks. This was easy :)
> 3. Abbreviations: does xtag-ent.tex do what you want?
>
> Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it does appear to
> work for me.
Hmm... somehome I had missed xtag-ent.tex. I was looking at xml
introductions, and did not look into ConTeXt sources. I will have a
look and see how it goes.
Thanks,
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
On Sunday 10 June 2007 23:49, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Pepe Barbe wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with > > it and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. > > > > Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout > > the content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not > > (Forgive my ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain > > Text, or RTF (Those are the formats that I can think of that are > > interesting to me currently). > > I don't think it is possible to come up with an "universal elixir" that does any format from source and is efficient to use. Plain text is the exchange medium I use. XML is too cumbersome to code by hand. Therefore I have solutions for specific situations. For example when a customer presents me with a non-fiction document already laid out in MSWord, I first save it as rtf. Then I run it through the program rtf2latex2e. This gives me an executable LaTeX file, with all the font changes etc. preserved. The I edit it in Gvim, using mass changes to convert LaTeX tags to an equivalent Context format. Some, like all the begin/end tags I just delete en masse. It is easy to go from the output of Context to plain text. There are plenty of pdf to ascii converters in GhostScript and PSUtils etc. The only big problem comes when there are columns involved. In that situation cut and paste from a pdf viewer window to an editor window can be helpful. -- John Culleton Able Indexing and Typesetting Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://wexfordpress.com ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> Some of the difficulties that I faced with simple documents was:
>
> 1. What is the xml equivalent of ||
> 2. What is the xml equivalent of ~ ( ??)
> 3. What is the xml equivalent of
>
> \abbreviation {EECS} {Electrical Engineering and Computer Science}
> and then \EECS\ and \infull{EECS}.
Hi Aditya,
I've just begun experimenting with xlm (because, as Duncan has
pointed out, I'm sure that every line I write is for eternity...).
Anyway, what I say here may be totally wrong, but here's how I treat
this stuff:
1. For || or |-|, I have defined an entity in my DTD:
In my environment for processing the xml files, I have
\defineXMLentity[conthyph]{|-|}
so I can write context&conthyph;specific and get the output I expect.
2. Yes, I use with these definitions:
\defineXMLentity[nbsp]{~}
3. Abbreviations: does xtag-ent.tex do what you want?
Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it does appear to
work for me.
All best
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Weird Fieldstack problem
Hi Aditya,
In my situation, I can't use buffer conveniently. So is there an easy way to
\includeMPgraphic recurrently? I've tried
\newcount\steps
repeat the following block several times
\advance\steps\plusone
\startuseMPgraphics{step\the\steps}
. . . % Some random graphics
\stopuseMPgraphic
%
\startuseMPgraphic{aa}
\dorecurse{\the\steps}
{\includeMPgraphic{step\recurselevel}}
\stopuseMPgraphic
but, it's not working.
On 6/9/07, Aditya Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Quoting Zhichu Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi Aditya,
>
> Actually, they should have the same boundingbox, the first MPdrawing
> environment draws a line from (0,0) to (2cm,2cm) and the sequence
MPdrawing
> environments just add two lines that are in the previous boundingbox.
>
> I know what's happening now. \definesymbol doesn't define a symbol
> from \getMPdrawing at once.
Yes, \definesymbol[a][b] is roughly equal to \def\a{b}, for example
\starttext
\def\something{aa}
\definesymbol[aa][\something]
\symbol[aa]
\def\something{bb}
\symbol[aa]
\stoptext
This is what is also happening in your case. You need to go back to the
definebuffer and processbuffer as suggested in metafun manual.
I do not know if it makes sense to have a \edef version of
definesymbol. In any case, getting expansion to work with \getMPdrawing
is going to be difficult.
Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Write once layout everwhere (?)
Hi Pepe, If you want your content to remain maintainable and manageable for a long period (e.g. decades), if you can afford it, and if you have a sufficiently large amount of content, then I strongly recommend investing the time and effort in an XML-based solution. My experience is in large scale educational/commercial applications, in which managing content in XML and using tools like ConTeXt to create beautiful print output, and alternate tools to create web output from the same source, is a very good solution. I can certainly let you know the technology we use, but some of it is commercial and expensive, and other bits are just complicated! I did a talk at the user group meeting which was kinda about this: http://context.aanhet.net/epen2007/share/duncan/ The first question to ask yourself is how much effort is your content worth. The rest of the answers flow from that, in my experience. :-) Duncan > Hello, > > I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with it > and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. > > Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout the > content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not (Forgive my > ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain Text, or RTF (Those > are the formats that I can think of that are interesting to me > currently). > > Reading the Wiki one of those solutions would be XML, but I know very > little about the subject, so this email is to ask about experiences in > similar endeavors, other solutions for the same problem and how > practical this is. > > I suppose that I would use this for general writing and for academic > as well (Maths and engineering). > > Thanks, > Pepe > > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] partial hz ?
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:31:43 -0400 (EDT), Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> hz justification brings better results, sometimes (most paragraphs >> don't change), but the entire typesetting is generally slow down >> with hz almost by factor 2. Thus I'd like to have a a kind of >> "partial hz" that I can use on selected paragraphs only. > > A factor of 2 is good :) For my document, hanging punctuation slows > down things a LOT (from 10 sec for three runs, to 60 secs for three > runs). What I usually do is to use no protrusion for test runs, and > add protrusion when I really have to make the final document. This can > be done easily using something like hm ... hanging doesn't make much change for me: with 263 sec, without 238 sec. no, here it is hz. it doubles speed (resp. slowness): 416 sec Steffen ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
