Re: [NTG-context] Keeping up-to-date under TeXLive

2007-12-23 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Dec 23, 2007 4:47 AM, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
 On Dec 21, 2007 9:17 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
  Create $HOME/texmf. Download justtex.zip, and cont-tmf.zip, cont-fnt.zip
  from pragma's website, and unzip them inside $HOME/texmf. Download the
  font files from TeX Gyre and unzip then in $HOME/texmf.

 Do I need to set the TEXMFHOME environment variable?

It depends on the installation. But TEXMFHOME is usually already set
in texmf.cnf.

 Also: will downloading linuxtex.zip to the same place give me
 up-to-date luatex, or will it just mess up my installation?

linuxtex.zip at pragma is from August, so you won't get the latest
luatex with it.
linuxtex at http://minimals.contextgarden.net/pragma/ has the latest
luatex beta (+ reasonably latest other binaries and latest LM, TeX
Gyre, ...), but might differ from the one at pragma. (I need
feedback.)

  Remake the formats, move the stubs and few programs to the path, and you
  are done.

 Is there a command to remake the pdftex and xetex formats together?

Not at the moment.

texexec -- make --all
texexec -- make --all --xtx
texexec -- make --all --lua

 Rather than moving programs, might it be easier to add
 ~/texmf/whatever/bin to the PATH?

That's what setuptex in minimals does. Yes, if you're updating an
exesting distribution, it might be easier and cleaner to add a
variable to path than to overwrite the old binaries.

  The only drawback of this is that you have to update manually. ctxtools
  --updatecontext unzip the file in TEXMFLOCAL, and not TEXMFHOME, so it
  does not work with this setup.

 Hmm...  will the rsync update work, or do I need to download the zips?

Of course it works. You have two options:
a) rsync -flags rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/pragma/linux/
[your-favorite location]
will give you the almost-latest binaries in one rsync run (there is
also justtex for the common files).

b) wget http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/linux/first-setup.sh
or (same file):
rsync -flags rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/linux/first-setup.sh
and then run that file to get the whole distribution at the desired
location. (experimental - someone needs to write support for local
configuration)

flags may be -av or whatever else seems more appropriate.

Also, if you already have a working TeX distribution, you can write a
few rsync calls yourself. At
http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/ (=
rsync://minimals.contextgarden.net/minimals/current/)
you have:
- current ConTeXt
- almost-latest binaries
- fonts
any you can combine the stuff from there in some arbitrary way.

Mojca
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[NTG-context] preview-context

2007-12-23 Thread Gour
Hi!

I've asked on auctex ml about the prospects of getting preview-context, similar
to preview-latex and here is the reply:

There are no ConTeXt users among the active developers (actually, there
is not even much activity in the LaTeX area, but the status quo is
rather more advanced).  As long as that does not change, I don't see
much of a point to talk vapour. 

(see  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.general/2387)

Since I plan to move to ConTeXt using AUCTeX, I'm interested to hear if
there is some interest here (amongst emacs users) to have preview-context
withing AUCTeX package?

otoh, I'm interested if there is newer version of  etexshow
(Browser for ConTeXt commands) ?

Sincerely,
Gour


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Re: [NTG-context] Setting up a project

2007-12-23 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:30:13 -0500
Joel C. Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Dec 21, 2007 4:08 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 textwidth=288pt, textheight=432pt,
 
  replace these two lines with
 
  width=288pt and height=432pt
 
  don't use textwidth and textheight in \setuplayout.
 
 Actually, width=288pt, textheight=432pt, gives me exactly the result
 I wanted.  I'd just like to be able to set the distance between the
 top of the paper and the top of the text area directly, as in
   header=12pt, headerdistance=12pt, something=72pt
 rather than what I'm currently using:
   header=12pt, headerdistance=12pt, topspace=48pt, % 48 = 72 - (12+12)
 Is this possible, and what is the something's name?
 
  leftmargindistance is only the distance between the textarea and the
  left box for the left margin, the layout concept could be a little bit
  confusing.
 
 Ya think maybe? ;)
 
 Thanks for the help,
 --Joel

\setuplayout
  [marking=on,
   location=middle,
   width=288pt,
   height=432pt,
   header=12pt,
   headerdistance=12pt,
   topspace=\dimexpr72pt-\headerheight-\headerdistance\relax,
   footer=\headerheight,
   footerdistance=\headerdistance,
   %bottomspace=144pt, % calculated by ConTeXt
   leftmargindistance=12pt,
   leftmargin=24pt,
   backspace=48pt,
   rightmargindistance=\leftmargindistance,
   rightmargin=\leftmarginwidth]

You should also avoid to use set the headerdistance, the textheight and
the bottomdistances at the same time, try to set only two dimension and
let TeX calculate the third dimension itself.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt

2007-12-23 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:11:49 +0100
Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:09:49 +0100
 Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
(We'll drop that letter from our keyboards soon :)
  
   Oh, then I'll stay with friendly lyx/latex...
  
  What does lyx have to do with đ and the (Slovenian) keyboard?
 
 Ahh, I understood you will start a party to remove support for 'đ' from 
 ConTeXt as well :-)

\catcode`đ=13
\letđ\relax
\starttext
dđ
\stoptext

  Most problems have been resolved about two years ago. But it's true -
  đ didn't work for at least half a dozen of different reasons :)
 
 ok, ok...I'm 50% sold-out to move to ConTeXt ;)

You should use XeTeX or LuaTeX and you're free from any problem because
đ is now a normal letter as any other character and you could use all
letters in label texts without problems.

  2002? That must be somewhere aroud the bronze age for ConTeXt :-)
 
 Now is golden age?
 
  Well ... I would say ... you need to start somewhere and once you
  stumble upon something you don't know how to convert, ask on the list.
 
 Sure. I'll soon start posting when attempting to mimic some LaTeX behaviour.

You should better use ConTeXt style and try to avoid LaTeX method,
\quote and \quotation and not ` ...

  That's a taboo, that's why your original question has been removed :)
 
 Heh, that's why I felt some bad-smell...well, maybe I'm more persistent this 
 time
 and/or someone is bold enough to speak about taboos :-)

The ConTeXt manual, very difficult topic. All of us want it, nobody is
able or motivated enough to write, we have a few experts for every
topic (mathematics, fonts etc.) but none who who has knowledge about
the whole system and too mayn features are hidden and only documented
in the source.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] MKIV and XML documentation

2007-12-23 Thread Johannes Graumann
Just trying to keep this on the radar ... ;0)

Merry Chrismas!

Joh

Hans Hagen wrote:

 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
 
 Looks like ConTeXt is not able to open zip files in xml mode, you should
 Hans for this feature.
 
 i probably have to call a different function (locator); i'll have a look
 at it (not today, no time)
 
 Hans
 
 
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Re: [NTG-context] preview-context

2007-12-23 Thread Roger Mason
Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Since I plan to move to ConTeXt using AUCTeX, I'm interested to hear if
 there is some interest here (amongst emacs users) to have preview-context
 withing AUCTeX package?

I'm interested in improved Context support in Auctex in general.  I am
a recent convert to Context, using it for my first project at the
moment.  I find much of the discussion on this list to be over my head
still.

I have a very little experence programming emacs lisp but have not
practised it for 3 or 4 years.  Currently I have implemented one or
two things I wanted in the form of (not very good!) emacs skeletons.
I'll help as much as I can, even if only with testing.

 otoh, I'm interested if there is newer version of  etexshow
 (Browser for ConTeXt commands) ?

Have you seen http://texshow.contextgarden.net/ ?  I don't know how up
to date it is.

Cheers,
Roger
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Re: [NTG-context] preview-context

2007-12-23 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hi Gour,

I'm the guy who created etexshow.

 otoh, I'm interested if there is newer version of  etexshow
 (Browser for ConTeXt commands) ?

No there is not. I don't use emacs any more (for ConTeXt). I will
take a look at texshow.contextgarden.net in the first quarter of 2008;
perhaps I'll have a look at etexshow at the same time. 

And if you are interested in AUCTeX development, don't hesitate. elisp
is not that hard and very, very interesting to program in. A lot of
people will be greatful!

Patrick
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Re: [NTG-context] preview-context

2007-12-23 Thread Jean Magnan de Bornier
Le 23 décembre à 12:48:39 Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment:

| Since I plan to move to ConTeXt using AUCTeX, I'm interested to hear if
| there is some interest here (amongst emacs users) to have preview-context
| withing AUCTeX package?

Well, I certainly am interested!
-- 
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Re: [NTG-context] page numbers in Table of Contents, mismatch

2007-12-23 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:06:12 +0900
Saji N Hameed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear ConText gurus,
 
 I am faced with a new problem with the page numbering in the
 Table of Contents. In the appendices, I use:
 
 \setuppagenumbering
[way=bychapter, 
 chapternumber=yes,
 numberseparator=-]
 
 to get page numbers like A-15, B-24 ... etc
 However, the page numbers associated with Appendix 1 in the Table
 of Contents is like
 
   1 Introduction   11
 1.1 Goals of Research  11
 1.2 Necessity of Research  11
 
   A Real-time Monitoring of Intraseasonal Variations 15
   B Drought Monitoring Based on Standardized Precipitation Index 24
 
 I am wondering if there is a way to get ConText to write my TOC as:
 
   A Real-time Monitoring of Intraseasonal Variations A-15
   B Drought Monitoring Based on Standardized Precipitation Index B-24
 
 My document is structured as follows:
 
 \input layout
 \starttext
 
   \startfrontmatter
 \input HomePage
   \stopfrontmatter
 
   \placelist[chapter,section]
 
   \startbodymatter
 \input Chapter1
 \input Chapter2
   \stopbodymatter
 
   \startappendices
 \input Appendix1
 \input Appendix2
   \stopappendices
 
 \stoptext
 
 Thanks as always,
 
 saji

Please send next time a working example.

\usemodule[visual]

\def\doMyCommand#1--#2-#3-#4--#5]\relax{{\convertnumber{A}{#3}-#5}}
\def\MyCommand#1{\expandafter\doMyCommand#1\relax}

\startsectionblockenvironment[appendix]

\setuppagenumbering
   [way=bychapter,
chapternumber=yes,
numberseparator=-]

%\setuplist[section][state=stop]

\writebetweenlist[chapter]{\setuplist[chapter]
[chapternumber=yes,pagecommand=\MyCommand]}

\stopsectionblockenvironment

\starttext

\startfrontmatter

\completecontent

\stopfrontmatter

\startbodymatter

\dorecurse{4}
  {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
   \dorecurse{4}
 {\section{\fakewords{5}{10}}
  \dorecurse{2}{\fakewords{100}{150}\par}}}

\stopbodymatter

\startappendices

\dorecurse{4}
  {\chapter{\fakewords{5}{10}}
   \dorecurse{4}
 {\section{\fakewords{5}{10}}
  \dorecurse{3}{\fakewords{40}{80

\stopappendices

\stoptext

This is the best solution I found, it is a little bit ugly (llok at
the ] in \doMyCommand) but the only working solution.

Merry Christmas.

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] luatex and context for Debian

2007-12-23 Thread Norbert Preining
Dear all,

I have updated luatex and context so currently I can even run MkIV
documents ;-)

Debian/sid users should have them already.

Debian/etch users should get luatex 0.20.2-1 from
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex/
Currently I have only i386 packages, but will build amd64 for etch soon.
And maybe powerpc builds can be organized.

For context 2007.12.18-1 please add
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ context/

Just for completeness, it is good to have:
texlive:
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ tl2007/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ src/

latin modern:
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ lmodern/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ lmodern/


For Ubuntu users of the development version (i.e., that tracking sid
more or less) luatex can be found at
deb http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~preining/TeX/ luatex-sid/

Please comment if you find something missing.

Norbert

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Re: [NTG-context] Chemistry in lists

2007-12-23 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Dec 22, 2007 9:10 AM, Shen Chen wrote:
 Hi all,


 I have some chemical formulae in chapter heading and figure captions,
 typeset with the chemic module. The chemic module always uses roman font as
 desired.

 When I include them in table of contents and list of figures, the chemical
 formulae appears in math italic font instead of roman font. See the
 following code for example. Chemic Manual mentioned using \rm but it doesn't
 seem to be the case. $\rm H_2O$ works fine in the list, but not
 \chemical{H_2O}. Any suggestions? Thank you.

 \usemodule[chemic]
 \starttext

 \writetolist[chapter]{}{ABC}
 \writetolist[chapter]{}{$H_2O$}
 \writetolist[chapter]{}{$\rm H_2O$}
 \writetolist[chapter]{}{\chemical{H_2O}}
 \completecontent

 \stoptext

The code is too complex for me to be able to understand what's going
on (but it seems like a problem which should be fixed, I agree).
I'm using an ugly piece of code from the wiki instead of the module
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Chemistry
(bottom of the page) when I need to typeset simple chemistry. I also
needed a formula to apear in titiles and it worked really nice.

Mojca

% by Taco

\newbox\chemlowbox
\def\chemlow#1%
  {\setbox\chemlowbox\hbox{{\switchtobodyfont[small]#1}}}

\def\chemhigh#1%
  {\ifvoid\chemlowbox \high{{\switchtobodyfont[small]#1}}%
   \else \/\lohi{\box\chemlowbox}{{\switchtobodyfont[small]#1}}\fi }

\def\finishchem%
   {\ifvoid\chemlowbox \else
 \iffluor \fluorfalse \kern-.1em \fi\low{\box\chemlowbox}\fi}

% for kerning after F
\newif\iffluor

\unexpanded\def\molecule%
  {\bgroup
   \catcode`\_=\active \uccode`\~=`\_ \uppercase{\let~\chemlow}%
   \catcode`\^=\active \uccode`\~=`\^ \uppercase{\let~\chemhigh}%
   \dostepwiserecurse {65}{90}{1}
  {\catcode \recurselevel = \active
   \uccode`\~=\recurselevel
   \uppercase{\edef~{\noexpand\finishchem
 \rawcharacter{\recurselevel%
   \uccode `\~=`\F \uppercase{\def~{\finishchem F\fluortrue}}%
   \catcode`\-=\active \uccode`\~=`\- \uppercase{\def~{--}}%
   \loggingall
   \domolecule }%

\def\domolecule#1%
  {\expandafter\scantokens\expandafter
{\detokenize{#1\finishchem}}\egroup}

\molecule{H_2O}
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Re: [NTG-context] preview-context

2007-12-23 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Hans Hagen wrote:

 Gour wrote:
 Hi!

 I've asked on auctex ml about the prospects of getting preview-context, 
 similar
 to preview-latex and here is the reply:

 There are no ConTeXt users among the active developers (actually, there
 is not even much activity in the LaTeX area, but the status quo is
 rather more advanced).  As long as that does not change, I don't see
 much of a point to talk vapour.

 (see  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.auctex.general/2387)

 Since I plan to move to ConTeXt using AUCTeX, I'm interested to hear if
 there is some interest here (amongst emacs users) to have preview-context
 withing AUCTeX package?

 otoh, I'm interested if there is newer version of  etexshow
 (Browser for ConTeXt commands) ?

 in my opinion previewing contradicts symbolic markup (apart maybe from
 special subconstructs); anyhow, because context sometimes relies on
 multipass info, previewing is no option unless on fast machines

I disagree. I was grately impressed by preview-latex when I tried it 
(around 2 years ago), so much so that I even considered moving to emacs 
from vim. It is extremely useful for mathematics and images: you can see 
the typeset result rather than a bunch of code. This means that you can 
proofread in the editor rather than a pdf (or dvi) reader.

What is needed for an improved support of preview-latex in context? Last 
time I looked into preview.sty, I could not understand how it works. If I 
were to do the same thing, this is how I would do it.

Run context with a custom module, which writes the content of each 
\startformula formula \stopformula into a temporary file as
\startTEXpage \startformula formula \stopformula \stopTEXpage. Lilypond 
and gnuplot modules already do something similar. Then process the 
temporary tex file. You will get a pdf file with one formula on each page. 
Convert each page into png, and use some lisp magic to insert the image at 
appropriate places in the buffer. Obviously I am missing a lot of things.
But, am I correct in assuming that from the context end, the problem is 
simple?

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Chemistry in lists

2007-12-23 Thread Shen Chen
Thanks for the suggestion, Taco's \molecule macro works.
There is a similar problem for Units (with \usemodule[units]) that appears
in headings, table of contents and list of figure captions, etc.

Sample code:
\usemodule[units]
\starttext
\placecontent
\section{1 \Square\Centi\Meter}
Hello world! 1 \Square\Centi\Meter
\section{$1\Square\Centi\Meter$}
Hello world! $1\Square\Centi\Meter$
\section{$1 {\rm cm^2}$}
Hello world! $1 {\rm cm^2}$
\stoptext

Units appear normally in text. But only the primary dimension m appeared
in heading/list, while power/prefix are lost.

In this case, I was able to trace down in the source code a little bit.
In core-syn.tex, there is:
\setupsynonyms
  [\v!unit]
  [\c!textstyle=\dimension]

And \dimension is supposed to be invoked here:
\def\processsynonym#1#2#3%
  {\begingroup  % anders in mathmode lege \hbox, zie eenheden
   \ifsynonymmeaning
 \synonymmeaningfalse
 \doattributes{\??sm#1}\c!synonymstyle\c!synonymcolor{#3}%
   \else
 \explicithmode
 \doattributes{\??sm#1}\c!textstyle\c!textcolor{#2}%
   \fi
   \endgroup}

However, in the case of heading/lists, \dimension is not called. I don't
understand the part about \doattributes, and couldn't trace further. Thank
you.

Regards,
shenchen


On 12/24/07 7:06 AM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 The code is too complex for me to be able to understand what's going
 on (but it seems like a problem which should be fixed, I agree).
 I'm using an ugly piece of code from the wiki instead of the module
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Chemistry
 (bottom of the page) when I need to typeset simple chemistry. I also
 needed a formula to apear in titiles and it worked really nice.
 
 Mojca
 

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Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt

2007-12-23 Thread Gour
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:57:03 +0100
Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You should use XeTeX or LuaTeX and you're free from any problem
 because đ is now a normal letter as any other character and you could
 use all letters in label texts without problems.

Good. I plan to use LuaTeX if it is capable to typeset what I need.


Sincerely,
Gour
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Re: [NTG-context] migrating to ConTeXt

2007-12-23 Thread Gour
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:39:56 -0700
Idris Samawi Hamid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which is why we need a team :-) 

Right. This sounds as reasonable proposal - let every expert writes his/her 
part.

 Anyway, as soon as luatex/mkiv is  relatively stable, the hyperbola is still 
 a bit too far from the
 asymptote at the moment...

Hmm, isn't luatex already quite stable?

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Re: [NTG-context] preview-context

2007-12-23 Thread Gour
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:16:04 -0330
Roger Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm interested in improved Context support in Auctex in general.  I am
 a recent convert to Context, using it for my first project at the
 moment.  I find much of the discussion on this list to be over my head
 still.

I was playing with ConTeXt some years ago, so now I can be called an
recent re-convert :-)

 I have a very little experence programming emacs lisp but have not
 practised it for 3 or 4 years.  Currently I have implemented one or
 two things I wanted in the form of (not very good!) emacs skeletons.
 I'll help as much as I can, even if only with testing.

Being quite new with emacs itself, I've taken a brief look at elisp-intro
manual...will go more deeply and I'm ready to help.

Sincerely,
Gour
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