Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page

2005-03-02 Thread Adam Lindsay
Paul Tremblay said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:04:26 -0500: http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout Thanks for your contribution... I would feel a bit better if you made the relationship to http://contextgarden.net/Layout clearer. This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used

Re: [NTG-context] small caps

2005-03-02 Thread Thomas A . Schmitz
On Mar 2, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Adam Lindsay wrote: Hold on one minute... we're talking about encodings for alternate glyphs, right? That's orthogonal to what Unicode is about. 'a' and 'Asmall' pretty much take up the same unicode slot. Only 'a' appears in the .cmap.xml file. No, of course you're

Re: [NTG-context] small caps

2005-03-02 Thread Adam Lindsay
Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:54:35 +0100: about code ... wybo dekker has cleaned up the texfont code, so that will be the starting point for extensions Wow. Thanks, Wybo! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. [EMAIL

[NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... just post to the context list what you want to achieve with that and i will look into it (minimal example and such) so, nothing for gerben to worry about since it's not related to the mac, but more to trickery -) Hans After playing a bit with minimal

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... just post to the context list what you want to achieve with that and i will look into it (minimal example and such) so, nothing for gerben to worry about since it's not related to the mac, but more to trickery -) Hans After

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: TEST.tex \startproject TEST \startfrontmatter \component PARTS/ONE.tex \component PARTS/TWO.tex \stopfrontmatter \stopproject ONE.tex \startcomponent ONE text \stopcomponent TWO.tex \startcomponent TWO text \stopcomponent The Mac output (plus the Win output) were

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steffen Wolfrum wrote: After playing a bit with minimal examples I think the bug has to do with the project structure. Here comes a very minimal example that *still* runs 8 times under Mac (2 times under Win)! Why? Given a main TEST.tex file and

Re: [NTG-context] small caps

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: For the time being, I'm thinking of a very simple list that could just serve as a pattern for arranging the lines I get from processing the cmap.xml. I'm just thinking, not writing code yet... about code ... wybo dekker has cleaned up the texfont code, so that will be the

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: How many runs do you have under Mac OS X? ps. it's on my agenda to have a mini mac with decent keyboard on my desk (instead of the cumbersome 17 inch laptop) sharing the large display i use on my workhorse laptop; at that time i'll also sync the mac versions of context

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steffen Wolfrum wrote: TEST.tex \startproject TEST \startfrontmatter \component PARTS/ONE.tex \component PARTS/TWO.tex \stopfrontmatter \stopproject ONE.tex \startcomponent ONE text \stopcomponent TWO.tex \startcomponent TWO

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Gerben Wierda
Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: texexec test --pdf --runs=1 copy test.tui 1.tui texexec test --pdf --runs=2 copy test.tui 2.tui texexec test --pdf --runs=3 copy test.tui 3.tui texexec test --pdf copy test.tui n.tui where do the tui's difer? Hans They don't. They are

Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page

2005-03-02 Thread Paul Tremblay
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:15:11AM +, Adam Lindsay wrote: Paul Tremblay said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 02:04:26 -0500: http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout Thanks for your contribution... I would feel a bit better if you made the relationship to http://contextgarden.net/Layout clearer.

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: They don't. They are all the same. But nevertheless texexec test --pdf ran 8 runs ... ah ... and how bout the tuo file? are they produced? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Gerben Wierda wrote: - How do you check that they are the same? (cmp command?) - How does texexec check if another run is needed? texexec calls texutil which converts a tui file into a tuo file (in the process it sorts indexes and such); when a job is aborted (or has errors) no tuo file is

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Hans wrote: unlink $JobName.tup; rename $JobName.tuo, $JobName.tup; I mistrust these two lines. Essentially, these are system calls without error checking. Lots of stuff can go wrong here. Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Gerben Wierda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: texexec test --pdf --runs=1 copy test.tui 1.tui texexec test --pdf --runs=2 copy test.tui 2.tui texexec test --pdf --runs=3 copy test.tui 3.tui texexec test --pdf copy test.tui n.tui where do

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
... I meant: maybe this is too old? c \thisisutilityversion{2003.07.19} Steffen Gerben Wierda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: texexec test --pdf --runs=1 copy test.tui 1.tui texexec test --pdf --runs=2 copy test.tui 2.tui texexec test --pdf --runs=3

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Gerben Wierda wrote: Lines like these make my eyebrows go up though it might not be th eproblem at hand. What if $JobName contains whitespace? it has worked ok for many years on our linux and windows boxes, and quoting in perl is mostly a problem for windows (perl being more unix oriented) and

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: I opened them and they wrote all the same: c \thisissectionseparator{:} c \thisisutilityversion{2003.07.19} c \thisisbytesequence{} f b {test} f b {PARTS/ONE.tex} f e {PARTS/ONE.tex} f b {PARTS/TWO.tex} f e {PARTS/TWO.tex} c \initializevariable\usedcolorchannels{} f e

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: c \thisisutilityversion{2003.07.19} no, the version only chnages when the format of the tui file changes and is used to catch - a version mismatch with texutil (needs updating) - updates in the formats (needs one extra run one time) Hans

RE: [NTG-context] lack of hyphenation

2005-03-02 Thread Mats Broberg
- make inter-column spacing a bit bigger/smaller - make page slightly larger/smaller - increse/decrease bodyfont size - etc the problem is that one can end up in oscillating Hans Wouldn't it be possible to use something like \ballast, in the way it is used in the ledmac package for

RE: [NTG-context] lettrine.sty, but not LaTeX

2005-03-02 Thread Mats Broberg
- The text font seems to be defaulted to small capitals. However, this is merely one of the conventions how text after a dropcap is set. Other conventions include e.g. roman or italic caps, roman or italic lower case etc. You can set the 'TextFont' parameter to something else.

RE: [NTG-context] lettrine.sty, but not LaTeX

2005-03-02 Thread Mats Broberg
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:37:21 -0800 (PST), Ciro A. Soto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trivial question from a novice: What are the steps to use a new module like the lettrine.sty? Where do I put this file? what command should I type to make is available to context? etc... thank you ciro

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and the tuo files? texexec --pdf test.tex --runs=2 copy test.tuo test-2.tuo texexec --pdf test.tex --runs=3 copy test.tuo test-3.tuo texexec --pdf test.tex --runs=4 copy test.tuo test-4.tuo test-3.tuo and test-4.tuo are identical (via openssl md5 *.tui

[NTG-context] Fixed spaces overfullrule

2005-03-02 Thread Mats Broberg
Dear listmembers, I have two questions tonight: 1: Is it possible to define and then use different kind of fixed and non-breaking spaces in ConTeXt? For something I am working with I need 1/8th of an em, 1/4th of an em, and 1/3rd of an em - but would ideally want to be able to define any kind of

Re: [NTG-context] Fixed spaces overfullrule

2005-03-02 Thread Peter M√ľnster
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Mats Broberg wrote: 2: Is it possible to have the overfull rules printed out in the margins? That way one can flip through the pages fast and instantly get an idea of the quality of the typesetting. \version[temporary] Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

[NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Hans, Steffen and all the others involved, dunno, the mac is not updated yet and actually not sitting on my desk but in my library; best let patrick and/or adam test that since they normally have the latest (alpha/beta/current) versions I have tried your small file (the one you have

Re: [NTG-context] lettrine.sty, but not LaTeX

2005-03-02 Thread Willi Egger
Hi Mats, I followed this thread. Basically the t-lettri.tex must be placed in a path known to TeX. Indeed if you place it in \base or \user this is the case. - In earlier discussion I think to remember that one could best create a directory \third (or similar) where such files can be placed.

Re: [NTG-context] Fixed spaces overfullrule

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Mats Broberg wrote: Dear listmembers, I have two questions tonight: 1: Is it possible to define and then use different kind of fixed and non-breaking spaces in ConTeXt? For something I am working with I need 1/8th of an em, 1/4th of an em, and 1/3rd of an em - but would ideally want to be able to

Re: [NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote: I have tried your small file (the one you have sent me) an a vanilla tetex 3.0 and an older texlive (I had to dig out my iBook -- anybody wants to buy a used iBook?) and both were two runs. Ah, not so fast, Patrick. I can reproduce your problem: $ ls -lR .: total 4

Re: [NTG-context] lettrine.sty, but not LaTeX

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Mats Broberg wrote: OK, so this is the 'standard of procedure'? Not to put it in \base and run mktexlsr? indeed, that way you can wipe out base when updating actually, here i often have an additional tree texmf-project for project specific files Hans

Re: [NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Steffen Wolfrum
Hi Patrick, Patrick Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again, I have tried your small file (the one you have sent me) an a vanilla tetex 3.0 and an older texlive (I had to dig out my iBook -- anybody wants to buy a used iBook?) and both were two runs. Ah, not so fast, Patrick. I can

Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page

2005-03-02 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope to write on FO and ConTeXt. Excuse my ignorance, but what is FO? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State

[NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Steffen, it is starting to make fun! ok, clean setup, all lowercase. 8 runs. Now texutil --purgeall. 2 runs. purge again. 8 runs. purge again. 2 runs. No purge. 8 runs. Purge. 8 runs. 2 runs. purge. 4 runs (!!!). purge. 2 runs. purge. 8 runs. 3 runs. purge. 5 runs. purge. 5 runs. purge. 8

Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page

2005-03-02 Thread Paul Tremblay
On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 01:41:32PM -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: This page is my best effort at describing how someone who is used to FO would do the same thing in ConTeXt. The page is just one of many I hope to write on FO and ConTeXt. Excuse my ignorance, but what is FO? Sorry for

Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page

2005-03-02 Thread Adam Lindsay
Paul Tremblay said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:48:49 -0500: Perhaps you could make a family of pages like FO_Layout and FO_Fonts, to make The FO Way clearer--these things are informative to people coming from ConTeXt and XSL-FO alike... I see. So if I am understanding things correctly, you

[NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hello Hans, [...] ah, i explicitly tried both lower and uppercase variants of the sample files, but windows does not care, i.e. all access deep down in the system is (afaik) cap. So i saw no difference here. so, what do you recomend, renaming the file to lowercase? Well, my mail was sent

Re: [NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Adam Lindsay
Patrick Gundlach said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:46:05 +0100: dunno, the mac is not updated yet and actually not sitting on my desk but in my library; best let patrick and/or adam test that since they normally have the latest (alpha/beta/current) versions I can't add much to this discussion,

Re: [NTG-context] lettrine.sty, but not LaTeX

2005-03-02 Thread Ciro A. Soto
Another question, this one is for Hans: I tried your file from feb 27: supp-fu3.tex. I typed texexec --pdf supp-fu3.tex and got: Undefined control sequence. \doDroppedCaps ...arindent \fi \keeplinestogether {#4}\setbox 0\hbox {#1{#6}... l.190 \NiceDroppedCaps {\red}{Serif}{0pt}{3}{W} \input

Re: [NTG-context] FO and ConTeXt: my new wiki page

2005-03-02 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Paul Tremblay wrote: I have a new page on the wiki http://contextgarden.net/Page_layout This has nothing to do with the content of the page, I just got an idea when I saw it: To write a highlighting module, say xmlcode, similar to that one for texcode (I don't how it is made), is probably

Re: [NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Patrick Gundlach wrote: ok, clean setup, all lowercase. 8 runs. Now texutil --purgeall. 2 runs. purge again. 8 runs. purge again. 2 runs. No purge. 8 runs. Purge. 8 runs. 2 runs. purge. 4 runs (!!!). purge. 2 runs. purge. 8 runs. 3 runs. purge. 5 runs. purge. 5 runs. purge. 8 runs. - 8, 2, 8, 2,

Re: [NTG-context] lack of hyphenation

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Mats Broberg wrote: - make inter-column spacing a bit bigger/smaller - make page slightly larger/smaller - increse/decrease bodyfont size - etc the problem is that one can end up in oscillating Hans Wouldn't it be possible to use something like \ballast, in the way it is used in the ledmac

Re: [NTG-context] Re: [OS X TeX] TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steffen Wolfrum wrote: TEST.tex \startproject TEST \startfrontmatter \component PARTS/ONE.tex \component PARTS/TWO.tex \stopfrontmatter \stopproject (not related to the problem but ...) projects normally only have references

Re: [NTG-context] Re: TeX run : 8

2005-03-02 Thread Hans Hagen
Adam Lindsay wrote: Patrick Gundlach said this at Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:46:05 +0100: dunno, the mac is not updated yet and actually not sitting on my desk but in my library; best let patrick and/or adam test that since they normally have the latest (alpha/beta/current) versions I can't add much to

[NTG-context] \definelayout question

2005-03-02 Thread Paul Tremblay
Thanks Adam for the suggestions on the wiki page. You point out that I can use \definelayout for odd and even pages. I assume I can use this command in place of \setuplayout? I had a problem using \definelayout. I found that I had to use a \setuplayout before my text, or the first page would not