Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
Great, thanks a lot Hans. Not a big issue (some glues are bit more stretched
than before here and there, but not to the point to have underfulls), but
curious to understand.
Best regards
Joseph
De : Hans Hagen
Envoyé le :jeudi 13 octobre 2016 20:51
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Objet :Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
On 10/13/2016 7:37 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 10/13/2016 11:56 AM, josephcan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Apparently this difference comes from this change in font-ots.lua near
>> line 603. If I edit the file to put back the discretionary_code
>> argument, the output is same with new beta.
>
> Hi Joseph,
>
> French hyphenation is unknown to me, but I have a different approach.
When messing with disc nodes one can argue if some of then need to
become discretionary nodes or keep their other type. This change keeps
it more original (of course one can argue about it) which has some
consequence for the number of passes that tex makes (pass without
hyphenation, pass with hyphenation, pass with hyphenation and stretch)
i plan to makes things a bit more configureable in the alternative
hyphenator
one can also argue that the first pass can be omitted (i.e. always go
for the best solution)
>> MWE (well as close to MWE I could write, requires EBGaramond unfortunately).
>>
>> \language[fr]
>
> The document main language is invoked in ConTeXt with:
>
> \mainlanguage[fr]
>
>> \setupalign[hanging, lesshyphenation, hz]
>
> I suspect that if you ask for less hyphenation, you get it.
>
> See my sample:
>
> \mainlanguage[fr]
> \setupalign[lesshyphenation]
> \starttext
> \hyphenatedword{T advint qu'il y eut famine au pays/ oultre la
> premiere famine/ qui fut au temps de Abraham. Et Izahak s'en alla
> vers Abimelech Roy des Philisthins en Gerar}
> \stoptext
>
> \hyphenatedword is your friend here. I get different results if I
> comment the second line (to get normal hyphenation).
>
> I wonder whether this might be causing the issue you’re experiencing.
>
> Just in case it helps,
>
>
> Pablo
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
On 10/13/2016 7:37 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 10/13/2016 11:56 AM, josephcan...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently this difference comes from this change in font-ots.lua near
line 603. If I edit the file to put back the discretionary_code
argument, the output is same with new beta.
Hi Joseph,
French hyphenation is unknown to me, but I have a different approach.
When messing with disc nodes one can argue if some of then need to
become discretionary nodes or keep their other type. This change keeps
it more original (of course one can argue about it) which has some
consequence for the number of passes that tex makes (pass without
hyphenation, pass with hyphenation, pass with hyphenation and stretch)
i plan to makes things a bit more configureable in the alternative
hyphenator
one can also argue that the first pass can be omitted (i.e. always go
for the best solution)
MWE (well as close to MWE I could write, requires EBGaramond unfortunately).
\language[fr]
The document main language is invoked in ConTeXt with:
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupalign[hanging, lesshyphenation, hz]
I suspect that if you ask for less hyphenation, you get it.
See my sample:
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupalign[lesshyphenation]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{T advint qu'il y eut famine au pays/ oultre la
premiere famine/ qui fut au temps de Abraham. Et Izahak s'en alla
vers Abimelech Roy des Philisthins en Gerar}
\stoptext
\hyphenatedword is your friend here. I get different results if I
comment the second line (to get normal hyphenation).
I wonder whether this might be causing the issue you’re experiencing.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
On 10/13/2016 11:56 AM, josephcan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Apparently this difference comes from this change in font-ots.lua near
> line 603. If I edit the file to put back the discretionary_code
> argument, the output is same with new beta.
Hi Joseph,
French hyphenation is unknown to me, but I have a different approach.
> MWE (well as close to MWE I could write, requires EBGaramond unfortunately).
>
> \language[fr]
The document main language is invoked in ConTeXt with:
\mainlanguage[fr]
> \setupalign[hanging, lesshyphenation, hz]
I suspect that if you ask for less hyphenation, you get it.
See my sample:
\mainlanguage[fr]
\setupalign[lesshyphenation]
\starttext
\hyphenatedword{T advint qu'il y eut famine au pays/ oultre la
premiere famine/ qui fut au temps de Abraham. Et Izahak s'en alla
vers Abimelech Roy des Philisthins en Gerar}
\stoptext
\hyphenatedword is your friend here. I get different results if I
comment the second line (to get normal hyphenation).
I wonder whether this might be causing the issue you’re experiencing.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
Apparently this difference comes from this change in font-ots.lua near line
603. If I edit the file to put back the discretionary_code argument, the output
is same with new beta.
MWE (well as close to MWE I could write, requires EBGaramond unfortunately).
\language[fr]
\definefontfeature[feat][
mode=node, ccmp=yes, calt=yes,
liga=yes, dlig=yes, hlig=yes,
kern=yes, mark=yes, mkmk=yes,
onum=yes, pnum=yes, salt=yes,
script=latn, trep=yes,
dlig=yes, cv91=yes, ss05=no,
protrusion=quality, expansion=quality]
\definefontfamily[mainfont][serif][EBGaramond][features=feat]
\setupbodyfont[mainfont, 9pt]
\setupalign[hanging, lesshyphenation, hz]
\starttext
\setbox\scratchbox\vbox{\hsize=8.43cm
T advint qu'il y eut famine au pays/ oultre la premiere famine/ qui fut
au temps de Abraham. Et Izahak s'en alla vers Abimelech
Roy des Philisthins en Gerar}\box\scratchbox
\stoptext
De : josephcan...@gmail.com
Envoyé le :jeudi 13 octobre 2016 10:17
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Objet :Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
Dear list,
After ugrading to latest beta (to test typesetting with it for now), I noticed
that some words that used to be hyphenated with previous versions are no longer
hyphenated in the output, especially when the word break used to happen at a
ligature (for example ‘st’ or ‘ct’).
I had a quick look to the différences in files in
tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base directory and I see some changes to font
handling.
Is this expected ? Or is there any mechanism to get the old behaviour ? I’ll
try to build a MWE to show this if that’s required.
Thanks a lot,
Best regards
Joseph Canedo
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[NTG-context] Changes in hyphenations with 2016-10-12 beta
Dear list, After ugrading to latest beta (to test typesetting with it for now), I noticed that some words that used to be hyphenated with previous versions are no longer hyphenated in the output, especially when the word break used to happen at a ligature (for example ‘st’ or ‘ct’). I had a quick look to the différences in files in tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base directory and I see some changes to font handling. Is this expected ? Or is there any mechanism to get the old behaviour ? I’ll try to build a MWE to show this if that’s required. Thanks a lot, Best regards Joseph Canedo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
