Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
Am 15.05.2009 um 22:11 schrieb Peter Münster: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: @Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or spacefactor) in mkiv. Indeed. See also: http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=117 Another test file, as you can see (ConTeXt and Hans extended plain TeX) it happens only with OT fonts but not with Type1. \font\one=cmr10 \font\two=file:texgyrepagella-regular \bgroup A A A \primitive\sfcode`A=2000 A A A \egroup \bgroup\one A A A \primitive\sfcode`A=2000 A A A \egroup \bgroup\two A A A \primitive\sfcode`A=2000 A A A \egroup \bye Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > @Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or spacefactor) in > mkiv. Indeed. See also: http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=117 Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Hans Hagen wrote: > each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is one, > but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have spacing > before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for tex to be > able to deal with it) Hello Hans, Could you please comment on this message: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080718.192231.d8036759.en.html It seems, that the contents of this message is still up-to-date. Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
Am 14.05.2009 um 21:59 schrieb Ryo Furue: I know there is a typographic style where the inter-word and inter-sentence spacings are the same. But, by default, ConTeXt uses a larger inter-sentence spacing than the inter-word spacing. In such a case, there has to be a means to indicate an inter-sentence spacing when a sentence ends with a capital letter and a period. The TeXbook suggest to use \null before the period, e.g. "USA\null. This is another sentence" but I would prefer here LaTeX's \...@. @Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or spacefactor) in mkiv. \starttext USA. This is another sentence USA.\ This is another sentence USA\null. This is another sentence USA\spacefactor1000. This is another sentence \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
| > I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
| > of LaTeX's "\...@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence
| > period). I can define
| >
| > \d...@{\spacefactor1000}
| >
| > and use it, but if there is an official version
| > I'd like to know.
|
| ... USA.\ ...
Thanks, but that doesn't change the spacing, in my environment
at least. (I use texlive-context on the testing distribution
of Debian.)
I think the command "\ " inserts an inter-word spacing,
not an inter-sentence spacing. You can compare whether
USA.\ This is another sentence
gives the same result as
USA\spacefactor1000. This is another sentence
I know there is a typographic style where the inter-word
and inter-sentence spacings are the same. But, by default,
ConTeXt uses a larger inter-sentence spacing than the
inter-word spacing. In such a case, there has to be a means
to indicate an inter-sentence spacing when a sentence ends
with a capital letter and a period.
Regards,
Ryo
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:04:51AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Yue Wang wrote:
>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue wrote:
>>> Hi ConTeXt users,
>>>
>>> I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
>>> of LaTeX's "\...@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence
>>> period). I can define
>>>
>>> \d...@{\spacefactor1000}
>>>
>>> and use it, but if there is an official version
>>> I'd like to know.
>>>
>>
>> I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should
>> be left for all full stop/comma/whaever.
>> You'd better change TeX's default behavior.
>
> huh?
>
> each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is
> one, but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have
> spacing before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for
> tex to be able to deal with it)
Not only French, it is also the case for traditional Arabic typesetting,
though people tend to follow the English rules these days.
Regards,
Khaled
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Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team
Free font developer
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
Yue Wang wrote:
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue wrote:
Hi ConTeXt users,
I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's "\...@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period). I can define
\d...@{\spacefactor1000}
and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.
I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should
be left for all full stop/comma/whaever.
You'd better change TeX's default behavior.
huh?
each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is
one, but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have
spacing before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for
tex to be able to deal with it)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
Am 14.05.2009 um 03:51 schrieb Ryo Furue:
Hi ConTeXt users,
I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's "\...@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period). I can define
\d...@{\spacefactor1000}
and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.
... USA.\ ...
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
2009/5/14, Yue Wang : > I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should > be left for all full stop/comma/whaever. Not always: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_spacing Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue wrote:
> Hi ConTeXt users,
>
> I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
> of LaTeX's "\...@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence
> period). I can define
>
> \d...@{\spacefactor1000}
>
> and use it, but if there is an official version
> I'd like to know.
>
I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should
be left for all full stop/comma/whaever.
You'd better change TeX's default behavior.
> Regards,
> Ryo
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[NTG-context] replacement of "\...@." ?
Hi ConTeXt users,
I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's "\...@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period). I can define
\d...@{\spacefactor1000}
and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.
Regards,
Ryo
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